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===Topic: ''Both, And; Either, Or''===

===Topic: ''Either or, Both and''===

===Group: [[N. Idaho TeaM]]===

===Group: [[N. Idaho TeaM]]===

==Facilitators==

==Facilitators==

Elyon (Mark): Greetings dear [[friends]], I am Elyon here once again to join you and splash and play with you in this pool of [[wisdom]] that we work to [[create]]. I [[observe]] in your [[discussions]] the [[natural]] [[human]] tendency to [[desire]], for the sake of [[illustration]], to point to various contrasts as a means to distinguish the [[different]] aspects and perhaps even to be helpful in formulating a [[choice]] regarding two such [[contrast]]s.  

Elyon (Mark): Greetings dear [[friends]], I am Elyon here once again to join you and splash and play with you in this pool of [[wisdom]] that we work to [[create]]. I [[observe]] in your [[discussions]] the [[natural]] [[human]] tendency to [[desire]], for the sake of [[illustration]], to point to various contrasts as a means to distinguish the [[different]] aspects and perhaps even to be helpful in formulating a [[choice]] regarding two such [[contrast]]s.  

===Lesson===

===Lesson===

===='''''[[Duality]]'''''====

===='''''[[Polarity]]'''''====

It is serviceable and useful to ask yourself or ask the simple question: Am I [[Function|functioning]] from my [[heart]] or am I functioning from my head? or other such similar questions; Are you using your [[ego]] to view the situation or are you using your [[God consciousness]]? All these efforts are as I said, an attempt to separate the one from the other for [[purpose]]s of [[discernment]] and this is well and [[good]]. I would offer you another [[exercise]] to further tweak your [[process]] and suggest that you play with the [[concept]] of substituting the [[word]] 'or' in every one of these cases with the word 'and' in an effort to swing your [[thought pattern]] to the aspect of inclusion rather than this [[idea]] of this or that.  

It is serviceable and useful to ask yourself or ask the simple question: Am I [[Function|functioning]] from my [[heart]] or am I functioning from my head? or other such similar questions; Are you using your [[ego]] to view the situation or are you using your [[God consciousness]]? All these efforts are as I said, an attempt to separate the one from the other for [[purpose]]s of [[discernment]] and this is well and [[good]]. I would offer you another [[exercise]] to further tweak your [[process]] and suggest that you play with the [[concept]] of substituting the [[word]] 'or' in every one of these cases with the word 'and' in an effort to swing your [[thought]] [[pattern]] to the aspect of inclusion rather than this [[idea]] of this or that.  

You see, in all cases it is both. You do not [[function]] solely and singly from one of your [[dimensions]]. There is always a combination, a [[balance]] between two or more, even several different aspects of your [[being]] and so it may be helpful to begin to bring into your [[consciousness]] this [[realization]] that you may recognize in a certain [[act]], that you are exercising a certain part of your being, perhaps [[interpreting]] through your [[heart]] space but in so doing it is impossible to forsake all the other [[influences]] in your lives.  

You see, in all cases it is both. You do not [[function]] solely and singly from one of your [[dimensions]]. There is always a combination, a [[balance]] between two or more, even several different aspects of your [[being]] and so it may be helpful to begin to bring into your [[consciousness]] this [[realization]] that you may recognize in a certain [[act]], that you are exercising a certain part of your being, perhaps [[interpreting]] through your [[heart]] space but in so doing it is impossible to forsake all the other [[influences]] in your lives.  

It is more appropriate to say that you are functioning from many [[different]] aspects but disproportionately exhibiting a certain [[Attribute|characteristic]] or trait or point of [[perspective]]. There is a constant effort by [[mankind]] to make [[discernment]]'s which then often turn into [[judgements]] about whether this aspect is [[good]] or bad, should be chosen or not, that certain elements must be forsaken and other elements must be [[embraced]] or adopted and these [[choices]] that the [[individual]] makes are in [[fact]] what define their [[character]] and being. But true [[spiritual]] [[evolution]] demands at some point the recognition, that all aspects are contained and [[present]] within the overall [[equation]] and that merely some are being chosen and exercised while others fail to be chosen or embraced wholly but nevertheless they are all present in the [[equation]] and are all [[necessary]] for in order to choose one way to be, there must be a choice between that way and another that you would decide to choose not.  

It is more appropriate to say that you are functioning from many [[different]] aspects but disproportionately exhibiting a certain [[Attribute|characteristic]] or trait or point of [[perspective]]. There is a constant effort by [[mankind]] to make [[discernment]]'s which then often turn into [[judgement]]s about whether this aspect is [[good]] or bad, should be chosen or not, that certain elements must be forsaken and other elements must be [[embraced]] or adopted and these [[choices]] that the [[individual]] makes are in [[fact]] what define their [[character]] and being. But true [[spiritual]] [[evolution]] demands at some point the recognition, that all aspects are contained and [[present]] within the overall [[equation]] and that merely some are being chosen and exercised while others fail to be chosen or embraced wholly but nevertheless they are all present in the [[equation]] and are all [[necessary]] for in order to choose one way to be, there must be a choice between that way and another that you would decide to choose not.  

So it is not as much about your declaring your [[Loyalty|allegiance]] to certain elements or aspects of the [[human condition]] as much as it is about coming to a place of [[peace]] and [[balance]], realizing that all elements that you encounter are part of the [[equation]] and must be reconciled as such. Some may not be chosen over others which appear to be more favorable but all are [[present]] in the [[game]], present in [[relationship]] to each other and in that sense we are [[ultimate]]ly to be as [[grateful]] for those [[things]] that we do not choose for providing us the [[contrast]] as we are to those [[things]] which we decide on and choose on based on our ability at any given time.  

So it is not as much about your declaring your [[Loyalty|allegiance]] to certain elements or aspects of the [[human condition]] as much as it is about coming to a place of [[peace]] and [[balance]], realizing that all elements that you encounter are part of the [[equation]] and must be reconciled as such. Some may not be chosen over others which appear to be more favorable but all are [[present]] in the [[game]], present in [[relationship]] to each other and in that sense we are [[ultimate]]ly to be as [[grateful]] for those [[things]] that we do not choose for providing us the [[contrast]] as we are to those [[things]] which we decide on and choose on based on our ability at any given time.  

Thank you for the [[opportunity]] to jump in and splash a little bit with you in this pool of [[wisdom]]. I now allow this space for use by others, farewell.

Thank you for the [[opportunity]] to jump in and splash a little bit with you in this pool of [[wisdom]]. I now allow this space for use by others, farewell.

Evanson (Jonathan):  Greetings this is Evanson. You have a phrase, that a drop of water returns to the ocean.  The master has also said, "I am the water of life"[http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_162#162:6._DISCOURSE_ON_THE_WATER_OF_LIFE].  [[Imagine]] yourself to be this living water, an [[individual]] droplet.  In order to be a droplet there must be a boundary, that which you may call yourself.  As you expand [[spiritually]] your droplet enlarges.  Even in the chronological unfoldment of your life, your first expansion as an infant is that of the [[embrace]] of your [[mother]] and [[father]] and soon your siblings and this expansion continues through [[family]], [[friends]], [[neighborhood]], [[community]], [[nation]], [[planet]], and the [[universal]] [[family]] of [[God]].  The expansion of the boundaries of yourself to be inclusive eventually makes your minuscule droplet the size of the ocean.  To return to the ocean as a drop of water is to expand yourself to embrace the entire ocean.  

Evanson (Jonathan):  Greetings this is Evanson. You have a phrase, that a drop of water returns to the ocean.  The master has also said, "I am the water of life"[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_162#162:6._DISCOURSE_ON_THE_WATER_OF_LIFE].  [[Imagine]] yourself to be this living water, an [[individual]] droplet.  In order to be a droplet there must be a boundary, that which you may call yourself.  As you expand [[spiritually]] your droplet enlarges.  Even in the chronological unfoldment of your life, your first expansion as an infant is that of the [[embrace]] of your [[mother]] and [[father]] and soon your siblings and this expansion continues through [[family]], [[friends]], neighborhood, [[community]], [[nation]], [[planet]], and the [[universal]] [[family]] of [[God]].  The expansion of the boundaries of yourself to be inclusive eventually makes your minuscule droplet the size of the ocean.  To return to the ocean as a drop of water is to expand yourself to embrace the entire ocean.  

    

    

You have seen a drop of water that stands on its own, and you have also seen a drop of water that collapses and spreads out smoothly, soaking that in its vicinity.  This is the spiritual water of life that readily [[flows]] into and is absorbed by [[everything]] around it.  This is how the master could say, if you have this water of life you will never thirst.  

You have seen a drop of water that stands on its own, and you have also seen a drop of water that collapses and spreads out smoothly, soaking that in its vicinity.  This is the spiritual water of life that readily [[flows]] into and is absorbed by [[everything]] around it.  This is how the master could say, if you have this water of life you will never thirst.  

There are other times when your spiritual power is [[expressed]] for others, where you spread it wide, where you nourish the marshes and feed the life all about, where you give.  I know that many of you who long to serve one another sometimes question the effectiveness of your [[service]].  But remember the river that has spread far and wide is gentle; it does a lot of soaking in as it moves on, a little here, a little there, everywhere. You may not perceive the [[force]] of your [[service]], but it does spread and it does nourish.  The [[conflicts]] of [[soul]] and the sudden [[realizations]] of your being are more vivid because they are within those canyon walls.  

There are other times when your spiritual power is [[expressed]] for others, where you spread it wide, where you nourish the marshes and feed the life all about, where you give.  I know that many of you who long to serve one another sometimes question the effectiveness of your [[service]].  But remember the river that has spread far and wide is gentle; it does a lot of soaking in as it moves on, a little here, a little there, everywhere. You may not perceive the [[force]] of your [[service]], but it does spread and it does nourish.  The [[conflicts]] of [[soul]] and the sudden [[realizations]] of your being are more vivid because they are within those canyon walls.  

    

    

This is my contribution, thank you.  

This is my contribution, thank you.

 

===='''''[[Balance]]'''''====

===='''''[[Balance]]'''''====

Monjoronson (Mark): Greetings, Monjoronson here to take a turn up at bat with another [[opportunity]] to bring to the [[minds]] eye a [[visualization]] that may be useful. I invite you all to consider a [[pendulum]]. As you all know, if you pull out and go to extremes with one side of the pendulum and then let the natural [[action]] occur you [[create]] this [[motion]] of back and forth and back and forth and before you is [[illustrated]] the [[potential]] that [[all things]] have a counter balance for as far as the pendulum travels ones way, it seems to swing back that far the other way. As you watch this pendulum swing back and forth, think to yourself, either/or, either/or, either/or.  

Monjoronson (Mark): Greetings, Monjoronson here to take a turn up at bat with another [[opportunity]] to bring to the [[minds]] eye a [[visualization]] that may be useful. I invite you all to consider a [[pendulum]]. As you all know, if you pull out and go to extremes with one side of the pendulum and then let the natural [[action]] occur you [[create]] this [[motion]] of back and forth and back and forth and before you is [[illustrated]] the [[potential]] that [[all things]] have a counter balance for as far as the pendulum travels ones way, it seems to swing back that far the other way. As you watch this pendulum swing back and forth, think to yourself, either/or, either/or, either/or.  

That is a phenomenon that goes on between [[contrasts]]. The one extreme and the other extreme are illustrated by the swinging back and forth of this pendulum. But if allowed to transpire normally and naturally, every pendulum circumstance like this grows weaker and weaker with its illustration of contrast and comes closer and closer to a [[reconciliation]] point in the middle. After having expended all of its [[energy]], it eventually comes to rest at a place that I will call "and," a place of contentment where it is not either/or in such [[radical]] contrasts as it is a place of settled peace with "and," either/and. This is a place of peace, this is the calm after the rapids. This is a place of [[acceptance]] where there is this awareness and this [[balance]], not having to swing back and forth to be established but a calm steady peace.  

That is a phenomenon that goes on between [[contrast]]s. The one extreme and the other extreme are illustrated by the swinging back and forth of this pendulum. But if allowed to transpire normally and naturally, every pendulum circumstance like this grows weaker and weaker with its illustration of contrast and comes closer and closer to a [[reconciliation]] point in the middle. After having expended all of its [[energy]], it eventually comes to rest at a place that I will call "and," a place of contentment where it is not either/or in such [[radical]] contrasts as it is a place of settled peace with "and," either/and. This is a place of peace, this is the calm after the rapids. This is a place of [[acceptance]] where there is this awareness and this [[balance]], not having to swing back and forth to be established but a calm steady peace.

 

I offer this in further attempt to [[illustrate]] the point at hand where you are not a spiritual being or a mortal being. You are a spiritual being and a mortal being. It is not whether you should make plans or whether you should not make plans, but both are in [[play]] in your [[equation]]. Thank you for entertaining these [[thought]] [[pattern]]s today. I now withdraw.

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

Cathy:  I‚m thinking of all the [[conflict]] on our world today and all the [[differences]] of opinion and how this concept of "and" is the key to our finding [[peace]] on the [[planet]] also.  

Cathy:  I‚m thinking of all the [[conflict]] on our world today and all the [[differences]] of opinion and how this concept of "and" is the key to our finding [[peace]] on the [[planet]] also.  

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