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Iruka: Of course anything can happen, and [[change]]. But right now that is not foreseen. In the case of [[Ham]], he has always had a [[leadership]] [[position]], but some of the developments happened more quickly than were [[anticipated]] and so he has changed his [[focus]]. But as for me, I do not expect that I will do anything [[differently]] for a long time. Does this [[explain]] better?

Iruka: Of course anything can happen, and [[change]]. But right now that is not foreseen. In the case of [[Ham]], he has always had a [[leadership]] [[position]], but some of the developments happened more quickly than were [[anticipated]] and so he has changed his [[focus]]. But as for me, I do not expect that I will do anything [[differently]] for a long time. Does this [[explain]] better?

E1: Yes, when the [[adjudication]] ended in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984 1984] did [[channeling]] occur before that time, and if so was it [[ordained]] by Christ [[Michael]]?

E1: Yes, when the [[adjudication]] ended in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984 1984] did [[channeling]] occur before that time, and if so was it [[ordained]] by Christ [[Michael]]?

Iruka: [[This mission]] that I am a part of was not ordained until after the 1984 [[adjudication]]. And I am not allowed to talk about other things, other [[communications]].

Iruka: [[This mission]] that I am a part of was not ordained until after the 1984 [[adjudication]]. And I am not allowed to talk about other things, other [[communications]].

J1: One last question, the [[Christian]] religion has a big thing about [[the cross]], Christ [[Michael]] dying on the cross. Could you expand on how that came to be? Why they have this [[belief]]. I understand from teacher [[Daniel]] that it is not the appropriate [[belief]], but how did they get to where they got with that belief?

J1: One last question, the [[Christian]] religion has a big thing about [[the cross]], Christ [[Michael]] dying on the cross. Could you expand on how that came to be? Why they have this [[belief]]. I understand from teacher [[Daniel]] that it is not the appropriate [[belief]], but how did they get to where they got with that belief?

Iruka: How they got to the [[belief]] that Christ [[Michael]] died for their [[sins]]? It goes back thousands of years to [[sacrificing]] something to a god so that the god wouldn't hurt them, make them ill, make them [[poor]], cause ones they [[love]] to die. It was keeping the god [[happy]], and this has never left the [[majority]] of Urantians. This [[ancient]] [[belief]] in appeasing someone who can [[hurt]] you has never left. The [[fear]] has never left. And so [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_187 Christ Michael's death] was substituted as this [[sacrifice]], as an appeasement to make the god [[happy]]. So now we have Christ Michael dying to make [[the Father]] [[happy]] and to look on his [[children]] with [[love]]. It seems to be [[difficult]] to see a Father who does not require a [[sacrifice]], a death, in order for Him to love His children. This is a puzzlement on our side, but we [[understand]] it is very [[strong]] with Urantians. And it is [[frightening]] to give up a [[sacrifice]] because then the god may come back and hurt you. And that is where we stand now with the [[majority]] of [[beliefs]] in [[Christianity]]. Other beliefs around the world do not demand [[sacrifices]], but this one has a lot of [[power]] now in many countries. Does this help?

Iruka: How they got to the [[belief]] that Christ [[Michael]] died for their [[sins]]? It goes back thousands of years to [[sacrificing]] something to a god so that the god wouldn't hurt them, make them ill, make them [[poor]], cause ones they [[love]] to die. It was keeping the god [[happy]], and this has never left the [[majority]] of Urantians. This [[ancient]] [[belief]] in appeasing someone who can [[hurt]] you has never left. The [[fear]] has never left. And so [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_187 Christ Michael's death] was substituted as this [[sacrifice]], as an appeasement to make the god [[happy]]. So now we have Christ Michael dying to make [[the Father]] [[happy]] and to look on his [[children]] with [[love]]. It seems to be [[difficult]] to see a Father who does not require a [[sacrifice]], a death, in order for Him to love His children. This is a puzzlement on our side, but we [[understand]] it is very [[strong]] with Urantians. And it is [[frightening]] to give up a [[sacrifice]] because then the god may come back and hurt you. And that is where we stand now with the [[majority]] of [[beliefs]] in [[Christianity]]. Other beliefs around the world do not demand [[sacrifices]], but this one has a lot of [[power]] now in many countries. Does this help?

J1: Yes, thank you.

J1: Yes, thank you.

===='''''[[Persecution]]'''''====

===='''''[[Persecution]]'''''====

S1: Iruka, I have a couple of questions that I just [[thought]] of. Any suggestions on how I should deal with [http://www.world-destiny.org/ Ernest Moyer]? He seems to have adopted a [[witch hunt]] kind of an [[attitude]]. Very very much against the [[Teaching Mission]]. I had a very unusual [[association]] with him in that I went up to Indianapolis with him and met the folks in [[Indianapolis TeaM|Indianapolis]] and I felt the [[Teaching Mission]] was real and he of course had a very set [[opinion]]. Every knows this is very interesting and I have a special [[relationship]] to him I think as a result of that. We all started off at the same [[point]] so to speak. How should I deal with him, do you have any suggestions, aside from occasionally I [[pray]] for Ernie that he have a [[clear]] mind, things like that.

S1: Iruka, I have a couple of questions that I just [[thought]] of. Any suggestions on how I should deal with [https://www.world-destiny.org/ Ernest Moyer]? He seems to have adopted a [[witch hunt]] kind of an [[attitude]]. Very very much against the [[Teaching Mission]]. I had a very unusual [[association]] with him in that I went up to Indianapolis with him and met the folks in [[Indianapolis TeaM|Indianapolis]] and I felt the [[Teaching Mission]] was real and he of course had a very set [[opinion]]. Every knows this is very interesting and I have a special [[relationship]] to him I think as a result of that. We all started off at the same [[point]] so to speak. How should I deal with him, do you have any suggestions, aside from occasionally I [[pray]] for Ernie that he have a [[clear]] mind, things like that.

Iruka: Yes, I have some suggestions. Back to the lesson this evening is to [[love]] him, show him [[God]]'s love, [[accept]] him and be non-judgmental. Remember he is on the [[path]] to [[the Father]], a different path, but still he will reach the Father. He is operating out of [[fear]]. And fear clouds your [[judgement]] and changes your [[perception]]. He cannot hurt you so don't [[fear]] him. He has only rejected one [[tool]], an important maybe strong tool, but that is all. Every [[creature]] has [[free will]]. Do not [[judge]] him because he has [[rejected]] this tool, in fact the more you can [[accept]] him and [[listen]] to him, non-judgementally, the better he can operate without [[fear]]. Does this help?

Iruka: Yes, I have some suggestions. Back to the lesson this evening is to [[love]] him, show him [[God]]'s love, [[accept]] him and be non-judgmental. Remember he is on the [[path]] to [[the Father]], a different path, but still he will reach the Father. He is operating out of [[fear]]. And fear clouds your [[judgement]] and changes your [[perception]]. He cannot hurt you so don't [[fear]] him. He has only rejected one [[tool]], an important maybe strong tool, but that is all. Every [[creature]] has [[free will]]. Do not [[judge]] him because he has [[rejected]] this tool, in fact the more you can [[accept]] him and [[listen]] to him, non-judgementally, the better he can operate without [[fear]]. Does this help?