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Virginia: "I think so, Minearisa, yes. I was just [[curious]], because as I said, often you say that; and I [[realize]] that when friends and family visit, then you are aware of them. But you said 'for some time,' and therefore I just assumed that the celestials are really aware of much more than perhaps I give them credit for."

Virginia: "I think so, Minearisa, yes. I was just [[curious]], because as I said, often you say that; and I [[realize]] that when friends and family visit, then you are aware of them. But you said 'for some time,' and therefore I just assumed that the celestials are really aware of much more than perhaps I give them credit for."

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Daniel (Bill): "This is Daniel. I wish to respond. Your [[assumption]] that celestials are aware of much more is [[accurate]]. If you had any sense of the [[coordination]] which occurs among the [[Seraphic hosts|Angelic corps]], between [[guardian Seraphim]], which also involves the [[Midwayers]], you would be astounded. There is no human [[analogy]] adequate for comparison. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_agency intelligence agencies] of your nations are as clowns in contrast to the skill of celestial government. The [[Thought Adjustors]] share a common [[circuit]] originating in [[Divinington]] which [[coordinates]] their involvement with a mortal host. There is perfect [[synchronicity]] between the Thought Adjustors' plans and the work of the [[Third Source and Center]] through the Divine Minister and her [[Seraphim]]. All mortals of will status are known to the universe Censors, and by [[reflectivity]] there is so much [[information]] available, that again, I would say, would astound you. Do not be [[surprised]] when we say we know you. Have I filled in the picture a little more adequately, my dear?"

Daniel (Bill): "This is Daniel. I wish to respond. Your [[assumption]] that celestials are aware of much more is [[accurate]]. If you had any sense of the [[coordination]] which occurs among the [[Seraphic hosts|Angelic corps]], between [[guardian Seraphim]], which also involves the [[Midwayers]], you would be astounded. There is no human [[analogy]] adequate for comparison. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_agency intelligence agencies] of your nations are as clowns in contrast to the skill of celestial government. The [[Thought Adjustors]] share a common [[circuit]] originating in [[Divinington]] which [[coordinates]] their involvement with a mortal host. There is perfect [[synchronicity]] between the Thought Adjustors' plans and the work of the [[Third Source and Center]] through the Divine Minister and her [[Seraphim]]. All mortals of will status are known to the universe Censors, and by [[reflectivity]] there is so much [[information]] available, that again, I would say, would astound you. Do not be [[surprised]] when we say we know you. Have I filled in the picture a little more adequately, my dear?"

Virginia: "Yes, Daniel, I thank you for the reminding of the work of the [[Seraphim]], and the [[fact]] that there are those other [[celestials]]. Sometimes I do get single-eyed, when the [[picture]] is much broader than that. Thank you very much."

Virginia: "Yes, Daniel, I thank you for the reminding of the work of the [[Seraphim]], and the [[fact]] that there are those other [[celestials]]. Sometimes I do get single-eyed, when the [[picture]] is much broader than that. Thank you very much."

Aaron (Bob): "I will speak on this. You are correct that many [[perceive]] that there is an [[acceleration]] of time. Let me first state that no [[magical]] button has been pushed to accelerate time; we are not initiating an acceleration. Rather it is the [[modern]] age and [[human beings]] have found a plethora of [[distractions]] to take their time. With the computerized age, the enhanced visual imagery and diversionary nature of electronic equipment such as televisions, [[computers]], many find themselves without enough time, they [[perceive]], to do all that they want to do; as well many have become [[experts]] in the business of busying themselves with things to do. Activities abound in [[communities]] everywhere. [[Relaxation]], peacefulness, these activities which promote such a state of being have gone into [[competition]] with the manifold [[opportunities]] which now lie at your fingertips.

Aaron (Bob): "I will speak on this. You are correct that many [[perceive]] that there is an [[acceleration]] of time. Let me first state that no [[magical]] button has been pushed to accelerate time; we are not initiating an acceleration. Rather it is the [[modern]] age and [[human beings]] have found a plethora of [[distractions]] to take their time. With the computerized age, the enhanced visual imagery and diversionary nature of electronic equipment such as televisions, [[computers]], many find themselves without enough time, they [[perceive]], to do all that they want to do; as well many have become [[experts]] in the business of busying themselves with things to do. Activities abound in [[communities]] everywhere. [[Relaxation]], peacefulness, these activities which promote such a state of being have gone into [[competition]] with the manifold [[opportunities]] which now lie at your fingertips.

Let me say that the reality is not necessarily negative on all levels, although the sacrifice of free time does put a damper on the wonderful creative nature of a restful and pondering mind. Yet the world as it is progressing is offering the capabilities to access knowledge at a much higher degree than at any time previously, which can allow for the development of personalities into areas which have not yet been accessed and upstepping of mortal evolution. The overall nature of your question, other than simply saying that we recognize what many of you recognize in this age, is a difficult one to answer and to cover thoroughly without spending a goodly amount of time weighing in the pros and cons. Are you understanding my meaning here?"

Let me say that the [[reality]] is not necessarily negative on all levels, although the [[sacrifice]] of free time does put a damper on the wonderful [[creative]] nature of a restful and [[pondering]] [[mind]]. Yet the world as it is progressing is offering the capabilities to access [[knowledge]] at a much higher degree than at any time previously, which can allow for the development of [[personalities]] into areas which have not yet been accessed and upstepping of mortal [[evolution]]. The overall nature of your [[question]], other than simply saying that we recognize what many of you recognize in this age, is a [[difficult]] one to answer and to cover thoroughly without spending a goodly amount of time weighing in the pros and cons. Are you understanding my [[meaning]] here?"

Virginia: "Yes, I am. And I think I'm talking to Aaron?"

Virginia: "Yes, I am. And I think I'm talking to Aaron?"

Virginia: "Thank you."

Virginia: "Thank you."

Minearisa (Cathy): "This is Minearisa. There are many in this society whose frenetic search for distraction and entertainment become as much an addiction as alcoholism or drug abuse, for it serves the same purpose, to numb one's feelings and to avoid connection which are feel-promoting, such as trying new activities, pursuing close relationships. Reversion is a necessity, but when it interferes with growth, it can be detrimental. The feeding of this addiction in your culture contributes to this sense of enhanced passage of time. Is this understood?"

Minearisa (Cathy): "This is Minearisa. There are many in this [[society]] whose frenetic search for [[distraction]] and [[entertainment]] become as much an [[addiction]] as alcoholism or drug abuse, for it serves the same [[purpose]], to numb one's [[feelings]] and to avoid [[connection]] which are feel-promoting, such as trying new activities, pursuing close [[relationships]]. Reversion is a [[necessity]], but when it interferes with [[growth]], it can be detrimental. The feeding of this [[addiction]] in your culture contributes to this sense of enhanced passage of time. Is this understood?"

Virginia: "Yes, Minearisa. Thank you for those additional comments."

Virginia: "Yes, Minearisa. Thank you for those additional comments."

Daniel (Bill): "I am Daniel. We welcome the questions which are somewhat abstract or theoretical when they have spiritual growth potential. We also welcome reactions to any of the introductory remarks or past assignments or conversation in your group. We also encourage you to take the role of active participant and put out your opinions and your formulations. While it may appear that we are a panel of experts by virtue of our non-mortal status, we have repeatedly said that we are your older brothers and sisters and in terms of value each of us is the same. Our value resides in our personality status as sons and daughters of the living God. So please my friends jump in here and interact with us."

Daniel (Bill): "I am Daniel. We welcome the questions which are somewhat [[abstract]] or [[theoretical]] when they have [[spiritual growth]] [[potential]]. We also welcome reactions to any of the introductory remarks or past assignments or [[conversation]] in your group. We also encourage you to take the role of active [[participant]] and put out your [[opinions]] and your [[formulations]]. While it may appear that we are a panel of [[experts]] by virtue of our non-mortal status, we have repeatedly said that we are your older brothers and sisters and in terms of [[value]] each of us is the same. Our value resides in our [[personality]] status as sons and daughters of the living God. So please my friends jump in here and interact with us."

Bob D.: "Hello, Daniel. I was just going to ask a question. Maybe it's more of a personal nature. I enjoy what I'm doing these days, as far as work on both the conference and my job. And I think it's probably a very healthy place to be at this time to not have a whole lot of time to think for myself, because I haven't wanted to be caught up in some of the emotional issues that seem to arise about some of the hopes and expectations I've had in my life regarding relationships and just what I've wanted to accomplish and what I've wanted to be.

I recognize another part, that I've certainly busied myself so that I wouldn't drown in my sorrows or [[negative]] [[feelings]],. But I also recognize that there's a part of me that's become very [[detached]] and I've been more concerned about that lately, that I tend to be surfacy, not just with [[strangers]], but with [[friends]]. I recognize that I've had a harder time just looking people in the eye, being [[sincere]] and talking about personal things. I think there's a part of me that's afraid if I bring myself into that level of [[intimacy]] with my friends and [[family]] and such, that perhaps some of this sadness and maybe sense of loss will just come washing over me. I'm afraid that I'm closing my [[heart]] off again like I did many years ago, which I've recently opened up in the last few years to people; and I think nothing scares me more than [[becoming]] what I used to be. While everybody tended to [[love]] me and think I was a great guy, I was [[tortured]] inside for not being real and not being [[expressive]] of who I was. So I guess I'm afraid of losing a piece of myself and I don't know how to get it back. I feel like I'm lost a little bit in that area. And maybe I'm out of [[touch]] with my [[emotions]] a little bit and I don't like the person that I am when I'm that way. There are several aspects of my life that I think that I've grown and developed in, but I don't want to revert back and I don't know what to so. So I guess I'm asking for some [[guidance]] or [[insight]] as to how to remain open, personal and relating with people rather than just going through the motions and saying the right things, [[smiling]] and covering up that internal [[pain]] and suffering that I don't want to deal with inside. If you have any [[insight]] into that I would greatly appreciate it."

Minearisa (Cathy): "My dear friend, you have indeed come full circle on that [[spiral]] staircase to that same issue you bumped up against years ago. But you are not the same person at all. Can you stop, sit down, and look back and [[appreciate]] how much [[growth]] you have accumulated since the last time you faced this particular [[fear]]?"

 

Minearisa (Cathy): "My dear friend, you have indeed come full circle on that spiral staircase to that same issue you bumped up against years ago. But you are not the same person at all. Can you stop, sit down, and look back and appreciate how much growth you have accumulated since the last time you faced this particular fear?"

Bob D.: "Oh, certainly, I can see all sorts of growth. What I see is a person that's afraid to be real again. And . ..."

Bob D.: "Oh, certainly, I can see all sorts of growth. What I see is a person that's afraid to be real again. And . ..."

Minearisa: "Can you identify the root of this fear? What is the worst that could happen if you are real?"

Minearisa: "Can you identify the [[root]] of this [[fear]]? What is the worst that could happen if you are real?"

Bob D.: "I think it's just the rejection, the feeling of rejection inside. It's much easier to be surfacy because then if you're rejected it doesn't mean so much because it isn't really who I am. It's being rejected with what I really feel inside that probably kills me more than anything; and so I tend when I face those rejections to begin to put on a persona that I don't have to be as real and to get out of myself."

Bob D.: "I think it's just the [[rejection]], the feeling of rejection inside. It's much easier to be surfacy because then if you're rejected it doesn't mean so much because it isn't really who I am. It's being rejected with what I really [[feel]] inside that probably kills me more than anything; and so I tend when I face those rejections to begin to put on a [[persona]] that I don't have to be as real and to get out of myself."

Daniel (Bill): "Bob, this is Daniel. I wish to remind you that you were born and bred in an atmosphere of conflict where you as a boy experienced fear, rejection, uncertainty and so forth. Would you agree with this characterization?"

Daniel (Bill): "Bob, this is Daniel. I wish to remind you that you were [[born]] and bred in an atmosphere of [[conflict]] where you as a boy experienced [[fear]], [[rejection]], [[uncertainty]] and so forth. Would you agree with this characterization?"

Bob D.: "Yeah. Definitely. It was a very chaotic life and very competitive."

Bob D.: "Yeah. Definitely. It was a very [[chaotic]] life and very [[competitive]]."

Daniel: "And this heritage remains with you, as it does with any individual. It is a major issue of your childhood in terms of you survival. You chose the path of peacemaker, of mollifier, of pacifier as a child, which was understandable, and somewhat effective. But during this period you had to mask your real feelings; you had to protect yourself by looking for all the cues that would give you the information a to how to respond. You were a skillful player in the family drama that life put at your doorstep. This skill has been of great value to you. You have charmed your way through much of your life and you have been successful often. Your task as an adult is to put aside childish ways and to look more [inaudible] of truth, As Minearisa has said, you have come full circle on the spiral staircase, but you are at a different level, you are not down at the bottom, you are quite a bit higher. Try to distinguish the feelings from the past in the realities of the present, so that your perspective may be more accurate and more comforting. I wish you to understand that surfacy behavior has adaptive components and is somewhat necessary at times, given a certain situation. But if you fail to provide yourself with the needed nourishment of the soul, in the intimacy of your relationship with your Indwelling Spirit and the sincere interaction with your trusted brothers and sisters, then you would be, of course, of concern to us who take part in your overcare. I personally do not see you backsliding, but I have observed your tendency to be overly focused on introspective aspects. Sometimes you have taken yourself too seriously. My suggestion is that you maintain your bonds with your true friends and be at peace with yourself. Dip deeply into the well of the waters of life, my friend, continue to find your greatest comfort in that greatest and best friend within. Has this helped you?"

Daniel: "And this heritage remains with you, as it does with any individual. It is a major issue of your [[childhood]] in terms of you [[survival]]. You chose the [[path]] of peacemaker, of mollifier, of pacifier as a child, which was understandable, and somewhat effective. But during this period you had to [[mask]] your real [[feelings]]; you had to [[protect]] yourself by looking for all the cues that would give you the [[information]] a to how to respond. You were a skillful player in the [[family]] [[drama]] that life put at your doorstep. This skill has been of great [[value]] to you. You have [[charmed]] your way through much of your life and you have been successful often. Your task as an adult is to put aside childish ways and to look more [inaudible] of [[truth]], As Minearisa has said, you have come full circle on the [[spiral]] staircase, but you are at a different level, you are not down at the bottom, you are quite a bit higher. Try to distinguish the [[feelings]] from the [[past]] in the realities of the present, so that your [[perspective]] may be more [[accurate]] and more comforting. I wish you to understand that surfacy behavior has [[adaptive]] components and is somewhat [[necessary]] at times, given a certain situation. But if you fail to provide yourself with the needed nourishment of [[the soul]], in the [[intimacy]] of your relationship with your [[Indwelling Spirit]] and the sincere [[interaction]] with your trusted brothers and sisters, then you would be, of course, of concern to us who take part in your [[overcare]]. I personally do not see you backsliding, but I have [[observed]] your tendency to be overly focused on [[introspective]] aspects. Sometimes you have taken yourself too seriously. My suggestion is that you maintain your [[bonds]] with your true friends and be at [[peace]] with yourself. Dip deeply into [[the well]] of the waters of life, my friend, continue to find your greatest [[comfort]] in that greatest and best friend within. Has this helped you?"

Bob D.: "Oh, yes. I thank you for your insight. I just . .."

Bob D.: "Oh, yes. I thank you for your [[insight]]. I just . .."

Daniel: "Oh, yes. Let up on yourself! I foresee that you will benefit greatly from this conference, which has been your passion for several months. It will, in my opinion, probably exceed your fondest hopes. That is all."

Daniel: "Oh, yes. Let up on yourself! I foresee that you will benefit greatly from this [[conference]], which has been your [[passion]] for several months. It will, in my [[opinion]], probably exceed your fondest [[hopes]]. That is all."

Bob D.: "Thank you."

Bob D.: "Thank you."

Daniel: "Our time is almost up. We are approaching the conclusion of our meeting. I am aware of a question in the mind of one of you which you would like to ask but have not yet mustered the courage to do so. I offer this time now."

Daniel: "Our time is almost up. We are approaching the conclusion of our meeting. I am aware of a [[question]] in the [[mind]] of one of you which you would like to ask but have not yet mustered the [[courage]] to do so. I offer this time now."

 

Pat: "Teachers, I'd like to ask a question for help. We have been reading about the Father, First Source, and also about Christ Michael and Nebadonia, Mother Spirit, and the process in our growth to reaching the Father; and I am not clear in my mind if in praying, if we cannot at this level understand or really can see what the Father is. We have been told from teachers and Christ Michael, as well as in the Urantia Book, that we have to go through Christ Michael and Nebadonia and the Son before we reach the Father. So, and I know that there is of the First Source Circuit direct to us, but I am confused that we can really reach the Father in our prayers or worship. Or should we just try to come into understanding of Christ Michael, Nebadonia and the Son?"

Pat: "Teachers, I'd like to ask a question for help. We have been [[reading]] about [[the Father]], [[First Source]], and also about [[Christ Michael]] and [[Nebadonia]], [[Mother Spirit]], and the [[process]] in our [[growth]] to reaching the Father; and I am not clear in my mind if in praying, if we cannot at this level [[understand]] or really can see what the Father is. We have been told from teachers and Christ Michael, as well as in the [[Urantia Book]], that we have to go through Christ Michael and Nebadonia and the Son before we reach the Father. So, and I know that there is of the First Source Circuit direct to us, but I am [[confused]] that we can really reach the Father in our [[prayers]] or [[worship]]. Or should we just try to come into [[understanding]] of Christ [[Michael]], [[Nebadonia]] and the Son?"

Daniel (Bill): "Understood. The complexities of the universe as they are described in the Urantia book are sometimes causative of confusion because of your mortal status and your brief amount of experience. It may appear as a paradox, yet you have direct communication through the personality circuit of the Father and through your Indwelling Monitor, while at the same time you are taught that in order to reach the Father you much go through the Son. Is this paradox the question that you are struggling with?"

Daniel (Bill): "Understood. The [[complexities]] of [[the universe]] as they are described in the [[Urantia book]] are sometimes causative of [[confusion]] because of your mortal status and your brief amount of [[experience]]. It may appear as a [[paradox]], yet you have direct [[communication]] through the [[personality]] [[circuit]] of [[the Father]] and through your [[Indwelling Monitor]], while at the [[same time]] you are taught that in order to reach the Father you much go through the Son. Is this paradox the question that you are [[struggling]] with?"

Pat: "Yes."

Pat: "Yes."

Daniel: "That my dear is possibly due to the cultural milieu that you are living in. So often things are phrased in either-or categories, instead of both-and. People tend to think that going directly to God precludes a revelation of another, as in the revelation of the Paradise Bestowal Sons. However, in reality it is both-and. The love of God is downstepped from each Trinity personality. The Father downsteps His love through direct personal contact with the minds of mortals in the Thought Adjusters; the Eternal Son downsteps His contact through the incarnations of the Bestowal Sons of Paradise, in which case God is literally present in mortal form; and the Infinite Spirit downsteps His love through angelic ministry at this level. All three, Thought Adjustor, Bestowal Son and Angel Ministry, are contact with God, the First, Second and Third Sources and Centers. And so, you see, it is not an either-or matter. The greater your awareness of consciousness of these things, the more comfort and security you will feel. Every spiritual agency necessary for your growth and betterment is provided for you. Has this assisted you, my dear?"

Daniel: "That my dear is possibly due to the cultural [[milieu]] that you are living in. So often things are phrased in either-or categories, instead of both-and. People tend to think that going directly to [[God]] precludes a [[revelation]] of another, as in the revelation of the [[Paradise Bestowal Sons]]. However, in [[reality]] it is both-and. The love of God is downstepped from each [[Trinity]] personality. The Father downsteps His love through direct personal contact with the minds of mortals in the [[Thought Adjusters]]; the [[Eternal Son]] downsteps His contact through the incarnations of the Bestowal Sons of Paradise, in which case God is [[literally]] present in mortal form; and the [[Infinite Spirit]] downsteps His love through [[angelic]] ministry at this level. All three, Thought Adjustor, Bestowal Son and Angel Ministry, are contact with God, the First, Second and Third Sources and Centers. And so, you see, it is not an either-or matter. The greater your [[awareness]] of [[consciousness]] of these things, the more [[comfort]] and [[security]] you will feel. Every spiritual agency [[necessary]] for your [[growth]] and betterment is provided for you. Has this assisted you, my dear?"

Pat: "Yes, Daniel, thank you very much."

Pat: "Yes, Daniel, thank you very much."

Pat: "No, I think I have to digest this. Thank you."

Pat: "No, I think I have to digest this. Thank you."

===Closing===

===Closing===

Daniel: "You are welcome. [long pause] My friends, the hour draws late and many of you are weary. I will speak for the others now. I, Daniel, send you on your life's journey with our blessing and our care, but more importantly with the constant love of the Paradise Trinity. Ponder these things in your hearts and we can assist you further with these questions, which will reoccur to you as you learn more and more as the spiral of spiritual growth ascends. Go now and enjoy your lives. Good evening."

Daniel: "You are welcome. [long pause] My friends, the hour draws late and many of you are [[weary]]. I will speak for the others now. I, Daniel, send you on your [[life]]'s [[journey]] with our [[blessing]] and our [[care]], but more importantly with the constant [[love]] of the [[Paradise Trinity]]. [[Ponder]] these things in your [[hearts]] and we can assist you further with these questions, which will reoccur to you as you learn more and more as the [[spiral]] of [[spiritual growth]] ascends. Go now and enjoy your lives. Good evening."

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