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| Vicki: Dear [[Father]], we gather today in [[recognition]] of the [[love]], [[guidance]] and [[generosity]] you give to us. And we ask once again, that you [[surround]] us and [[encircuit]] us with [[truth]] and [[light]], as we seek the [[wisdom]] and [[foresight]] of our [[Magisterial Son]], [[Monjoronson]]. May this session provide [[comfort]] and [[insight]] to our fellow [[brothers and sisters]]. We extend our [[gratitude]] to [[Christ]] [[Michael]], [[Nebadonia]] and all [[unseen]] [[friends]] who [[assist]] us in this [[journey]]. [[Amen]]. | | Vicki: Dear [[Father]], we gather today in [[recognition]] of the [[love]], [[guidance]] and [[generosity]] you give to us. And we ask once again, that you [[surround]] us and [[encircuit]] us with [[truth]] and [[light]], as we seek the [[wisdom]] and [[foresight]] of our [[Magisterial Son]], [[Monjoronson]]. May this session provide [[comfort]] and [[insight]] to our fellow [[brothers and sisters]]. We extend our [[gratitude]] to [[Christ]] [[Michael]], [[Nebadonia]] and all [[unseen]] [[friends]] who [[assist]] us in this [[journey]]. [[Amen]]. |
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− | [Note to readers: Our moderator, Vicki, [[experienced]] the [[death]] of her [[husband]], Michael, two days after Special Session #11 took place. We thank her for her [[courage]] to continue these sessions during her [[time]] of [[sorrow]].] | + | [Note to readers: Our moderator, Vicki, [[experienced]] the [[death]] of her [[husband]], Michael, two days after Special Session #11 took place. We thank her for her [[courage]] to continue these sessions during her [[time]] of [[sorrow]]. |
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| MONJORONSON: Good morning, this is Monjoronson. I definitely offer you the [[opportunity]] to [[discern]] and determine what is included in the published transcript and what is not. It is your [[choice]] and it is a choice which we [[respect]] and abide by. The [[information]] that others need to hear will be [[shared]], and that which is for you [alone] will be shared with you. You have my [[sincere]] [[condolences]], my [[support]] and my [[love]] for you, as you go through this [[time]]. You see, dear one, that our [[message]] is for all of [[earth]] and its [[population]], and for each [[individual]], as you are now [[experiencing]], that this transposes from the general to the specific, from the global [[population]] to you [[individually]], and this truly is the [[message]] of Christ [[Michael]], and that this [[work]] that we do would be for nothing if one [[person]] were lost, or [[deceived]] by it. So our utmost [[effort]] is to appeal to the [[individual]], to the [[truth]], and to the [[transcending]] [[truth]], that abides by each [[individual]] along their [[ascendant]] [[journey]]. | | MONJORONSON: Good morning, this is Monjoronson. I definitely offer you the [[opportunity]] to [[discern]] and determine what is included in the published transcript and what is not. It is your [[choice]] and it is a choice which we [[respect]] and abide by. The [[information]] that others need to hear will be [[shared]], and that which is for you [alone] will be shared with you. You have my [[sincere]] [[condolences]], my [[support]] and my [[love]] for you, as you go through this [[time]]. You see, dear one, that our [[message]] is for all of [[earth]] and its [[population]], and for each [[individual]], as you are now [[experiencing]], that this transposes from the general to the specific, from the global [[population]] to you [[individually]], and this truly is the [[message]] of Christ [[Michael]], and that this [[work]] that we do would be for nothing if one [[person]] were lost, or [[deceived]] by it. So our utmost [[effort]] is to appeal to the [[individual]], to the [[truth]], and to the [[transcending]] [[truth]], that abides by each [[individual]] along their [[ascendant]] [[journey]]. |
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| Vicki: I do [[understand]] this, and I have felt throughout the sessions, with every [[topic]], I was taken deeper within for my own [[personal]] [[growth]]. To be [[honest]], it’s why for a time, I avoided a few [[topics]]. Actually, there is no sense in avoiding, because what will be, will be, I believe. Am I right? | | Vicki: I do [[understand]] this, and I have felt throughout the sessions, with every [[topic]], I was taken deeper within for my own [[personal]] [[growth]]. To be [[honest]], it’s why for a time, I avoided a few [[topics]]. Actually, there is no sense in avoiding, because what will be, will be, I believe. Am I right? |
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| Monjoronson, when I talked to Michael these last couple weeks, there would be [[moments]] when I would talk to my deceased [[husband]], can he hear me? | | Monjoronson, when I talked to Michael these last couple weeks, there would be [[moments]] when I would talk to my deceased [[husband]], can he hear me? |
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− | MONJORONSON: Yes, he can [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Sense#Audition hear] you, not as your [[voice]], but as your [[presence]]. You are attempting to [[speak]] through the [[morontia]]l [[consciousness]], and you have a “partial vocabulary” for that, and an [[inherent]] [[capacity]] as you have grown and [[ascended]] in your [[mortal]] lifetime, and your mortal [[consciousness]]. | + | MONJORONSON: Yes, he can [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Sense#Audition hear] you, not as your [[voice]], but as your [[presence]]. You are attempting to [[speak]] through the [[morontia]]l [[consciousness]], and you have a “partial vocabulary” for that, and an [[inherent]] [[capacity]] as you have grown and [[ascended]] in your [[mortal]] lifetime, and your mortal [[consciousness]]. |
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| MONJORONSON: “What’s next” has already begun and engaged by yourself. You have [[courageously]], [[thoughtfully]], “engaged our [[conversation]].” Our conversation through these [[dialogs]], through these question and answer special sessions, and you have begun to move ahead. We knew of this coming [[event]] of your [[husband]] for some time, and your positioning and [[intelligence]] and [[education]] offered itself tremendously to this [[conversation]], these [[dialogs]] that we have. “What’s next” has [[actually]] begun before his passage. You are already on the way to the rest of your life’s [[career]] and your [[service]]. You have been led through these [[conversations]] of dealing with [[hospice]] and [[near death experience]]s, and the passage of [[death]] and dying that it presents. You were [[prepared]] for this and we have used this [[experience]] in your life for the [[education]] of all people who [[read]] these and hear these [[transcripts]]. | | MONJORONSON: “What’s next” has already begun and engaged by yourself. You have [[courageously]], [[thoughtfully]], “engaged our [[conversation]].” Our conversation through these [[dialogs]], through these question and answer special sessions, and you have begun to move ahead. We knew of this coming [[event]] of your [[husband]] for some time, and your positioning and [[intelligence]] and [[education]] offered itself tremendously to this [[conversation]], these [[dialogs]] that we have. “What’s next” has [[actually]] begun before his passage. You are already on the way to the rest of your life’s [[career]] and your [[service]]. You have been led through these [[conversations]] of dealing with [[hospice]] and [[near death experience]]s, and the passage of [[death]] and dying that it presents. You were [[prepared]] for this and we have used this [[experience]] in your life for the [[education]] of all people who [[read]] these and hear these [[transcripts]]. |
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− | You were not “used,” but you were a definite [Tool|implement]] in our toolbox of [[education]] for all of those who have and are and will [[experience]] the passage of a dear one. It is [[essential]] that you and all others who will face this—as certainly all of you will—that [[death]] is simply a passage and that it is very [[personal]] when it is a loved one, as you have [[experienced]]. It will also become grossly [[personal]] when you have [[communities]] beside you who crossover [[simultaneously]], due to [[Catastrophism|disasters or cataclysms]]. These [[things]] you are unprepared for; we are [[assisting]] you with the “[[personal]],” because this is most [[intimate]] to you and everyone else. | + | You were not “used,” but you were a definite [[Tool|implement]] in our toolbox of [[education]] for all of those who have and are and will [[experience]] the passage of a dear one. It is [[essential]] that you and all others who will face this—as certainly all of you will—that [[death]] is simply a passage and that it is very [[personal]] when it is a loved one, as you have [[experienced]]. It will also become grossly [[personal]] when you have [[communities]] beside you who crossover [[simultaneously]], due to [[Catastrophism|disasters or cataclysms]]. These [[things]] you are unprepared for; we are [[assisting]] you with the “[[personal]],” because this is most [[intimate]] to you and everyone else. |
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| *[[Preparation]] for the [[death]] of many | | *[[Preparation]] for the [[death]] of many |
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− | The passage of many [[simultaneously]], as has occurred recently in the last few years in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans New Orleans] and the [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf Coast of the United States Southern Coast of the United States], and in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti Haiti], and in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile Chile], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia Indonesia], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan Pakistan], and the other places of tremendous geophysical [[tragedies]]. You have not a [[feeling]] for that yet here, in these [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States United States], though you must be [[prepared]] for this, as you must know that our [[work]] with you is to prepare you for that. We have warned you generally of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataclysm cataclysms] to come, and so we would not be good [[teachers]] if we did not [[prepare]] you for this [[personally]] and [[publicly]]. | + | The passage of many [[simultaneously]], as has occurred recently in the last few years in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans New Orleans] and the [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Coast_of_the_United_States Southern Coast of the United States], and in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti Haiti], and in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile Chile], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia Indonesia], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan Pakistan], and the other places of tremendous geophysical [[tragedies]]. You have not a [[feeling]] for that yet here, in these [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States United States], though you must be [[prepared]] for this, as you must know that our [[work]] with you is to prepare you for that. We have warned you generally of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataclysm cataclysms] to come, and so we would not be good [[teachers]] if we did not [[prepare]] you for this [[personally]] and [[publicly]]. |
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− | “What’s next,” is very clear: I have spoken to you about this in the [[manuscript]] entitled, “[http://starbridgetrust.org/index.php?view=article&catid=8%3Atranscript-e-books&id=19%3Araphael-book&option=com_content&Itemid=15 Planetary Management and Global Sustainability],” (May 2007) which this one compiled and [[edited]] for us. [It is available at http://www.starbridgetrust.org . Click on “[http://starbridgetrust.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=8&Itemid=15 Articles].”] We are [[preparing]] you for this; we as [[Planetary]] Managers and [[Administrators]], would be negligent if we did not do so. The end result, dear one, is that you are far better [[prepared]] for the [[future]], now, because of this, than without, and that the world’s [[population]] will be prepared as well. Many will not [[prepare]] themselves but [[continue]] to live blithely as the summer roses and flowers bloom, never knowing the harshness of [[winter]] and [[death]]. | + | “What’s next,” is very clear: I have spoken to you about this in the [[manuscript]] entitled, “[https://starbridgetrust.org/index.php?view=article&catid=8%3Atranscript-e-books&id=19%3Araphael-book&option=com_content&Itemid=15 Planetary Management and Global Sustainability],” (May 2007) which this one compiled and [[edited]] for us. [It is available at https://www.starbridgetrust.org . Click on “[https://starbridgetrust.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=8&Itemid=15 Articles].”] We are [[preparing]] you for this; we as [[Planetary]] Managers and [[Administrators]], would be negligent if we did not do so. The end result, dear one, is that you are far better [[prepared]] for the [[future]], now, because of this, than without, and that the world’s [[population]] will be prepared as well. Many will not [[prepare]] themselves but [[continue]] to live blithely as the summer roses and flowers bloom, never knowing the harshness of [[winter]] and [[death]]. |
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| MONJORONSON: It will be similar, and it will be [[different]], at the same time. First of all, it will be a great [[reunion]] that you will have when you cross over and you are greeted by your loved ones. After your “assembly” in the [[morontia]] receiving worlds, you will become part of an [[ascending]] class, of which your [[husband]] is a part now. Yes, you will have a special [[relationship]], as there was a common [[shared]] [[history]] of [[memories]] and [[experiences]], from which you both will [[learn]] and can draw on for your [[lessons]] in your classes in the [[mansion world]] schools. You will be classmates; you will be as though you were in a hallway in a high school, who are boyfriend/girlfriend; you will have that [[connection]] of oneness, of [[shared]] [[relationship]]. You will have commonalities that are peculiar and special to the [[two]] of you, but nonetheless which are also [[shared]] by billions of others in the schools at that [[time]], from their own lifetimes in their [[earthly]] [[experiences]]. You will surely [[recognize]] each other, and your [[commitment]] for this lifetime has been complete; your [[commitment]] will be [[shared]] in the [[future]] for your life of [[ascendant]] [[being]], and your [[commitment]] to your [[individual]] [[ascension]] [[plan]], that is [[shared]] with others and to your joint [[gratefulness]] to Christ [[Michael]] for having made your lives [[possible]]. | | MONJORONSON: It will be similar, and it will be [[different]], at the same time. First of all, it will be a great [[reunion]] that you will have when you cross over and you are greeted by your loved ones. After your “assembly” in the [[morontia]] receiving worlds, you will become part of an [[ascending]] class, of which your [[husband]] is a part now. Yes, you will have a special [[relationship]], as there was a common [[shared]] [[history]] of [[memories]] and [[experiences]], from which you both will [[learn]] and can draw on for your [[lessons]] in your classes in the [[mansion world]] schools. You will be classmates; you will be as though you were in a hallway in a high school, who are boyfriend/girlfriend; you will have that [[connection]] of oneness, of [[shared]] [[relationship]]. You will have commonalities that are peculiar and special to the [[two]] of you, but nonetheless which are also [[shared]] by billions of others in the schools at that [[time]], from their own lifetimes in their [[earthly]] [[experiences]]. You will surely [[recognize]] each other, and your [[commitment]] for this lifetime has been complete; your [[commitment]] will be [[shared]] in the [[future]] for your life of [[ascendant]] [[being]], and your [[commitment]] to your [[individual]] [[ascension]] [[plan]], that is [[shared]] with others and to your joint [[gratefulness]] to Christ [[Michael]] for having made your lives [[possible]]. |
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| *Does [[God]] only give us as much as we can handle? | | *Does [[God]] only give us as much as we can handle? |
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| MONJORONSON: Not entirely. [[God]] has given you life and God has given you a fragment of itself as the [[Thought Adjuster]], that Mystery Monitor, that Father Fragment that resides with you in all [[eternity]]. There is an [[irony]] in this to some [[degree]], that you [[determine]] what you can overcome and what you cannot, what you [[choose]] to engage, and what you do not choose to engage. Many with tremendous [[capacity]] and capabilities refuse to engage [[challenges]], which would bring them rapidly ahead in their [[spiritual]], [[emotional]] and [[social]] [[growth]]. What of them? What of those? And so, you dear one, by [[accepting]] many challenges, and not withering or withdrawing from them, you [[grow]] tremendously. | | MONJORONSON: Not entirely. [[God]] has given you life and God has given you a fragment of itself as the [[Thought Adjuster]], that Mystery Monitor, that Father Fragment that resides with you in all [[eternity]]. There is an [[irony]] in this to some [[degree]], that you [[determine]] what you can overcome and what you cannot, what you [[choose]] to engage, and what you do not choose to engage. Many with tremendous [[capacity]] and capabilities refuse to engage [[challenges]], which would bring them rapidly ahead in their [[spiritual]], [[emotional]] and [[social]] [[growth]]. What of them? What of those? And so, you dear one, by [[accepting]] many challenges, and not withering or withdrawing from them, you [[grow]] tremendously. |
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| You—and when I say “you,” I mean all [[humankind]]—have been fraught with [[challenges]], which were never [[planned]] for you [[individually]], or as a [[civilization]], that you must now come [[together]] within yourself as a [[person]], to draw your [[resources]] [[together]] to overcome these [[challenges]], and you [[collectively]], as a [[nation]] and as a [[civilization]], must also come draw your resources together to overcome the immense [[challenges]] which face your people on this world. And, I am here to help you do that. | | You—and when I say “you,” I mean all [[humankind]]—have been fraught with [[challenges]], which were never [[planned]] for you [[individually]], or as a [[civilization]], that you must now come [[together]] within yourself as a [[person]], to draw your [[resources]] [[together]] to overcome these [[challenges]], and you [[collectively]], as a [[nation]] and as a [[civilization]], must also come draw your resources together to overcome the immense [[challenges]] which face your people on this world. And, I am here to help you do that. |
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| *Are we given protection during these [[difficulties]]? | | *Are we given protection during these [[difficulties]]? |
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| Vicki: I’m going to get into some questions that are less global, again. Monjoronson, do our deceased loved ones experience sorrow over the abrupt ending of their [[material]] lives? | | Vicki: I’m going to get into some questions that are less global, again. Monjoronson, do our deceased loved ones experience sorrow over the abrupt ending of their [[material]] lives? |
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| Vicki: That leads me to another question that I have, and that is that I believe Daniel received a bit of [[information]] for me on this, but I thought for the [[audience]], it might be important to revisit. Apart from [[accidents]] in time, does one [[choose]] their [[time]] of [[death]]? | | Vicki: That leads me to another question that I have, and that is that I believe Daniel received a bit of [[information]] for me on this, but I thought for the [[audience]], it might be important to revisit. Apart from [[accidents]] in time, does one [[choose]] their [[time]] of [[death]]? |
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− | MONJORONSON: Yes, this is an [[agreed]] upon [[development]] between the [[soul]], [[personality]] of the [[individual]] and the [[Thought Adjuster]]. This is a [[three]]-way [[decision]] that is made. There is the arrangement for the completion of the [[course]] of one’s life, the [[learning]] of [[lessons]] and that of being of [[service]]. Truly [[mature]] [[souls]] [[understand]] this before they come to this lifetime, and as they [[grow]] in their [[development]], they re-establish that [[agreement]] [and] choose to live with [[intention]] and they choose to die with intention. [See section on “young and old souls” in [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Monjoronson_Special_Session_9-2010-03-29 Special Session #9, Mar. 29, 2010]] | + | MONJORONSON: Yes, this is an [[agreed]] upon [[development]] between the [[soul]], [[personality]] of the [[individual]] and the [[Thought Adjuster]]. This is a [[three]]-way [[decision]] that is made. There is the arrangement for the completion of the [[course]] of one’s life, the [[learning]] of [[lessons]] and that of being of [[service]]. Truly [[mature]] [[souls]] [[understand]] this before they come to this lifetime, and as they [[grow]] in their [[development]], they re-establish that [[agreement]] [and] choose to live with [[intention]] and they choose to die with intention. [See section on “young and old souls” in [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Monjoronson_Special_Session_9-2010-03-29 Special Session #9, Mar. 29, 2010]] |
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| Vicki: Thank you. I can certainly [[relate]] to that one. I’d like to talk a little bit about giving and receiving, Monjoronson, because roles will [[change]] at this time, and we [[mortals]] [[struggle]] with the shifting of the gears. I guess I’m primarily referring to it being [[difficult]] to shift from being a giver to being a receiver, and vice versa. I also struggle with this in my grief, feeling that I am a burden to others. Could you comment on this? | | Vicki: Thank you. I can certainly [[relate]] to that one. I’d like to talk a little bit about giving and receiving, Monjoronson, because roles will [[change]] at this time, and we [[mortals]] [[struggle]] with the shifting of the gears. I guess I’m primarily referring to it being [[difficult]] to shift from being a giver to being a receiver, and vice versa. I also struggle with this in my grief, feeling that I am a burden to others. Could you comment on this? |
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| *Giving and [[receiving]] with [[grace]] | | *Giving and [[receiving]] with [[grace]] |
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| MONJORONSON: Yes, I will be most glad to. Those are [[natural]] [[feelings]] of a well [[balanced]] [[personality]]; one who has a well balanced [[emotional]] [[sphere]]. There is a time for giving, and there is a time for receiving, and also know that in the receiving, you are [[assisting]] others in [[understanding]] the role of [[receiving]], for they too will surely go through this. Receive with [[grace]] would be my [[advice]]. You have given with [[grace]], now receive with grace, and [[understand]] that you by receiving grace, you are a living [[model]] for those who will also grieve your passage when you leave; that you will have provided them with a model for [[receiving]] appropriately, and not extensively or for great duration, but as is [[necessary]] for you to go on your way to pick up the pieces and resume your life again—changed, but still resumed. | | MONJORONSON: Yes, I will be most glad to. Those are [[natural]] [[feelings]] of a well [[balanced]] [[personality]]; one who has a well balanced [[emotional]] [[sphere]]. There is a time for giving, and there is a time for receiving, and also know that in the receiving, you are [[assisting]] others in [[understanding]] the role of [[receiving]], for they too will surely go through this. Receive with [[grace]] would be my [[advice]]. You have given with [[grace]], now receive with grace, and [[understand]] that you by receiving grace, you are a living [[model]] for those who will also grieve your passage when you leave; that you will have provided them with a model for [[receiving]] appropriately, and not extensively or for great duration, but as is [[necessary]] for you to go on your way to pick up the pieces and resume your life again—changed, but still resumed. |
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| Vicki: It has been suggested to me that [[stress]] played a significant role in the [[death]] of my [[husband]]. What do you advise to others when they [[experience]] long-term, stressful situations in the [[future]]? | | Vicki: It has been suggested to me that [[stress]] played a significant role in the [[death]] of my [[husband]]. What do you advise to others when they [[experience]] long-term, stressful situations in the [[future]]? |
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| Living with ongoing, enduring [[stress]] is truly detrimental to your [[physical]] [[body]], and does [[prepare]] the way for early passage. Lives that are under [[stress]] deteriorate much more rapidly as there is a [[toxic]] [[energy]] in the [[individual]], which [[work]]s against the [[body]] [[mechanism]]. Truly the [[body]] can only live in the [[now]], and when the [[mind]] struggles with the [[past]] and the [[future]], then the [[body]], which lives in the now, [[suffers]]. | | Living with ongoing, enduring [[stress]] is truly detrimental to your [[physical]] [[body]], and does [[prepare]] the way for early passage. Lives that are under [[stress]] deteriorate much more rapidly as there is a [[toxic]] [[energy]] in the [[individual]], which [[work]]s against the [[body]] [[mechanism]]. Truly the [[body]] can only live in the [[now]], and when the [[mind]] struggles with the [[past]] and the [[future]], then the [[body]], which lives in the now, [[suffers]]. |
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− | Vicki: Some in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization Mayan culture] claim that during [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient ancient times], when past [[catastrophic]] [[events]] occurred, [[fear]] was a major killer. Was this a valid [[assumption]]? | + | Vicki: Some in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization Mayan culture] claim that during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient ancient times], when past [[catastrophic]] [[events]] occurred, [[fear]] was a major killer. Was this a valid [[assumption]]? |
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| MONJORONSON: Very much so. [[Fear]] is a great stressor. | | MONJORONSON: Very much so. [[Fear]] is a great stressor. |
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| Vicki: (Laughing) That’s what I was [[wondering]]! The [[negative]] [[emotions]] of [[anger]], resentment, vengeance, [[guilt]], and [[shame]] seem to [[surface]] more frequently in those who are [[grieving]] the loss of a loved one. Could you speak to this? | | Vicki: (Laughing) That’s what I was [[wondering]]! The [[negative]] [[emotions]] of [[anger]], resentment, vengeance, [[guilt]], and [[shame]] seem to [[surface]] more frequently in those who are [[grieving]] the loss of a loved one. Could you speak to this? |
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− | MONJORONSON: Most definitely. And this situation was addressed by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_K%C3%BCbler-Ross Elizabeth Kübler Ross] in her [[book]], “[http://books.google.com/books?id=ar2lqlxsHeQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=on+death+and+dying&hl=en&ei=qtEaTOOrFMK88gbd8tXFCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Death and Dying].” That these [[emotions]] [[surface]] because of the loss of a loved one, that inexplicitly this [[individual]] is no longer there, as though they had abdicated willfully and [[intentionally]] their lifetime, and from the one who is left. There is a sense of [[betrayal]]; there is a sense of neglect and a loss of [[commitment ]] by the one who is left. Various [[interpretations]] run through their [[mind]] about the [[cause]]s of that, and then there is the [[emotional]] [[reaction]] to those and that situation. So these [[negative]] [[emotions]] are part of the [[emotional]] roller coaster that loved ones feel when they are left behind. It is a [[natural]], [[emotional]] [[developmental]] [[process]]: it is one to be [[appreciated]]; it is one to be [[accepted]], knowing that tomorrow is another day and you will feel [[differently]], and [[eventually]] these [[thoughts]] of [[betrayal]] and of loss will resurface as [[feelings]] of long-term [[commitment]], [[love]], [[loyalty]] and [[appreciation]]. | + | MONJORONSON: Most definitely. And this situation was addressed by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_K%C3%BCbler-Ross Elizabeth Kübler Ross] in her [[book]], “[https://books.google.com/books?id=ar2lqlxsHeQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=on+death+and+dying&hl=en&ei=qtEaTOOrFMK88gbd8tXFCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Death and Dying].” That these [[emotions]] [[surface]] because of the loss of a loved one, that inexplicitly this [[individual]] is no longer there, as though they had abdicated willfully and [[intentionally]] their lifetime, and from the one who is left. There is a sense of [[betrayal]]; there is a sense of neglect and a loss of [[commitment ]] by the one who is left. Various [[interpretations]] run through their [[mind]] about the [[cause]]s of that, and then there is the [[emotional]] [[reaction]] to those and that situation. So these [[negative]] [[emotions]] are part of the [[emotional]] roller coaster that loved ones feel when they are left behind. It is a [[natural]], [[emotional]] [[developmental]] [[process]]: it is one to be [[appreciated]]; it is one to be [[accepted]], knowing that tomorrow is another day and you will feel [[differently]], and [[eventually]] these [[thoughts]] of [[betrayal]] and of loss will resurface as [[feelings]] of long-term [[commitment]], [[love]], [[loyalty]] and [[appreciation]]. |
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| Vicki: I’d just like to say at this point, Monjoronson, I’ve noticed tremendous [[transformations]] in people that were close to me through this recent [[grieving]] [[process]]. I saw those who I had [[shared]] these Q & A sessions with coming on board with a new sense of acknowledgement and [[belief]], and I saw tremendous movement of [[unity]] toward one another. I don’t know if you want to comment on that, but I felt that it was so ''beautiful''! These [[insights]] were coming to me quickly and very early in the [[process]], and as I watched this [[growth]] occur around me, I felt it should be part of our session today. | | Vicki: I’d just like to say at this point, Monjoronson, I’ve noticed tremendous [[transformations]] in people that were close to me through this recent [[grieving]] [[process]]. I saw those who I had [[shared]] these Q & A sessions with coming on board with a new sense of acknowledgement and [[belief]], and I saw tremendous movement of [[unity]] toward one another. I don’t know if you want to comment on that, but I felt that it was so ''beautiful''! These [[insights]] were coming to me quickly and very early in the [[process]], and as I watched this [[growth]] occur around me, I felt it should be part of our session today. |
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| Vicki: And of course my sister, who is with me here, and has been by my side through all of this, and I am so grateful for her, is pretty gifted in this. So I’ve been fortunate enough to have that [[experience]] | | Vicki: And of course my sister, who is with me here, and has been by my side through all of this, and I am so grateful for her, is pretty gifted in this. So I’ve been fortunate enough to have that [[experience]] |
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− | “Let there be spaces in your [[togetherness]].” ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahlil_Gibran Khalil Gibran]) | + | “Let there be spaces in your [[togetherness]].” ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahlil_Gibran Khalil Gibran]) |
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− | Vicki: I have one more question or comment, and it is about “moving on.” In his [[book]], the [[author]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahlil_Gibran Khalil Gibran], suggested to couples in [[relationships]], “Let there be spaces in your togetherness.” This has been a [[guiding]] piece of [[wisdom]] that my [[husband]] and I have [[grown]] into, as our [[relationship]] [[matured]]. And now, in facing this grieving period and loss, I’m [[thinking]] that this may serve me in my [[ability]] to move on. Could you comment on this? | + | Vicki: I have one more question or comment, and it is about “moving on.” In his [[book]], the [[author]], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahlil_Gibran Khalil Gibran], suggested to couples in [[relationships]], “Let there be spaces in your togetherness.” This has been a [[guiding]] piece of [[wisdom]] that my [[husband]] and I have [[grown]] into, as our [[relationship]] [[matured]]. And now, in facing this grieving period and loss, I’m [[thinking]] that this may serve me in my [[ability]] to move on. Could you comment on this? |
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| MONJORONSON: Yes, you and your [[husband]] had a [[wonderfully]] [[healthy]] and [[developing]] [[relationship]] by having those spaces, those open times where you were not in constant [[contact]], where you gave each other permission to be apart, and knowing that in your being apart you were not at a loss without the other, that you were not rejected, but that you were given [[opportunity]] to [[experience]] yourself, as yourself, out of [[relationship]], but knowing that the relationship was safe, otherwise. You do not need to worry about this, or concern yourself. Know that [[Michael]] in many ways has now given you a final open [[space]] in which you can fully [[explore]] yourself to the utmost. You have a permission to now know yourself in ways which you did not. Not that you need to be [[monastic]] in any way, but that you have now an [[opportunity]] for [[reverential]] reverie, a time of [[reverie]] that you can [[experience]] repeatedly, in an ongoing way. Know that his [[support]] is with you; know that you are given support by your [[unseen]] helpers in ways which are also [[intimate]] and distant. Enjoy these and take advantage of the [[contact]] as you wish. | | MONJORONSON: Yes, you and your [[husband]] had a [[wonderfully]] [[healthy]] and [[developing]] [[relationship]] by having those spaces, those open times where you were not in constant [[contact]], where you gave each other permission to be apart, and knowing that in your being apart you were not at a loss without the other, that you were not rejected, but that you were given [[opportunity]] to [[experience]] yourself, as yourself, out of [[relationship]], but knowing that the relationship was safe, otherwise. You do not need to worry about this, or concern yourself. Know that [[Michael]] in many ways has now given you a final open [[space]] in which you can fully [[explore]] yourself to the utmost. You have a permission to now know yourself in ways which you did not. Not that you need to be [[monastic]] in any way, but that you have now an [[opportunity]] for [[reverential]] reverie, a time of [[reverie]] that you can [[experience]] repeatedly, in an ongoing way. Know that his [[support]] is with you; know that you are given support by your [[unseen]] helpers in ways which are also [[intimate]] and distant. Enjoy these and take advantage of the [[contact]] as you wish. |