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Eisenhower ?????? What the....!
Eisenhower ?????? What the....!
When Ron Besser, [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2012-11-25-The_Flurry_10 channelled Eisenhower], he was wrote off as being crazy.
When Ron Besser, [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2012-11-25-The_Flurry_10 channelled Eisenhower], he was wrote off as being crazy.
What say you about this Gerdean?
What say you about this Gerdean?
'''Gerdean wrote: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:01 AM'''
'''Gerdean wrote: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:01 AM'''
We were introduced to you as an historian, Rob, so it is no surprise that you are excited to see American history make its way into the movement. No doubt much can be learned from men and women who have notably contributed to Urantia's development, and the spirit of their experience no doubt participates through their words echoing down the annals of history and through their contribution to the Evolving Supreme. But you err on a number of points, none of which I will dicker with you about except to say that your perspective does not carry any more authority than mine does.
We were introduced to you as an historian, Ron, so it is no surprise that you are excited to see American history make its way into the movement. No doubt much can be learned from men and women who have notably contributed to Urantia's development, and the spirit of their experience no doubt participates through their words echoing down the annals of history and through their contribution to the Evolving Supreme. But you err on a number of points, none of which I will dicker with you about except to say that your perspective does not carry any more authority than mine does.
Your friend Jonathan is not making anybody do anything. My friend Jonathan would be "turning over in his grave," as would Alan, Isaac, Jeremiah, Thea and a number of others if they found we were taking their name in vain and pissing on the revelation whose truths and principles they dedicated their lives. But it doesn't really matter about them since they are not here to witness these machinations, nor does it serve to attempt to set the No.ID and the So.ID groups against each other. No.ID has always been a progressive community and we have always cheered them on, but they are still just as human as the rest of us.
Your friend Jonathan is not making anybody do anything. My friend Jonathan would be "turning over in his grave," as would Alan, Isaac, Jeremiah, Thea and a number of others if they found we were taking their name in vain and pissing on the revelation whose truths and principles they dedicated their lives. But it doesn't really matter about them since they are not here to witness these machinations, nor does it serve to attempt to set the No.ID and the So.ID groups against each other. No.ID has always been a progressive community and we have always cheered them on, but they are still just as human as the rest of us.
The Master learned from everyone and thereby became a teacher for all. It would appear the demythologizing of "the teachers" or "celestials" is gaining ground as we slowly surrender to the truth that we have been trained as teachers whose 'authority' is measured by our love.
The Master learned from everyone and thereby became a teacher for all. It would appear the demythologizing of "the teachers" or "celestials" is gaining ground as we slowly surrender to the truth that we have been trained as teachers whose 'authority' is measured by our love.
'''Jim wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 5:02 PM'''
Sounds right to me.
And ....I Like IKE too. How low his party has sunk, to fall under the command of the military-industrial complex he warned about.
'''Steffani wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM'''
'''Steffani wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM'''
'''Rob wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM'''
'''Rob wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM'''
The transcript reads that [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2013-01-13-N._Idaho_TeaM#Darkness Kathy] was the TR.
The transcript reads that [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2013-01-13-N._Idaho_TeaM#Darkness Kathy] was the TR.
'''Tom Newbill wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:24 PM'''
'''Tom Newbill wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:24 PM'''
Cathy was the t/r...she is listed in the header at the top....we have a Cathy and a Kathy in the group....sorry...it was Cathy...it was late
Cathy was the t/r...she is listed in the header at the top....we have a Cathy and a Kathy in the group....sorry...it was Cathy...it was late
Rob wrote:
'''Rob wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:47 PM'''
The two instances where Kathy was referenced [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2013-01-13-N._Idaho_TeaM&diff=103480&oldid=103476 have been changed] to Cathy.
'''Steffani wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM'''
Oh, God does INTERVENTIONS all right, John, great big major ones...Only He does then as He does all things...in a divine and perfect way...just not as human beings think He should, or expect, want, or demand! [[7:4|7:4.3-7]]
Once Lost by Del Parson [[188:5|188:5.1-3]]
'''Rob wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:29 PM'''
These are not "interventions" in the human sense but the normal provisions for growth.
'''Steffani wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM'''
I will respectfully suggest that human leadership on the ground that is properly in touch with and following true Divine Authority is expressing the will of this "one leader who lives and works through each and every child willing to express the truth of his love, in any moment, any place throughout the cosmos"...S/he will not be generating chaos, but rather will be providentially extending the Supreme potentials of Divine Order!
'''Rob wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:26 PM'''
What else could genuine human leadership be? Of course, illusions of arbitrary power are more apt to be defined as 'leadership' in this world. Happily, such a world is disappearing, and the chaos we witness around us is ample proof of the influence of love's gravity whose Source is the leader of all remaking our world in and through each person and as well, everyone at the same time.
'''Steffani wrote: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM'''
Usually, not always...It is when humans and other beings demonstrate themselves bereft of good sense that these blessedly foreseen 'interventions" become necessary...
..."the Paradise Sons act as rehabilitators of that which misguided creature will has placed in spiritual jeopardy. Whenever and wherever there occurs a delay in the functioning of the attainment plan, if rebellion, perchance, should mar or complicate this enterprise, then do the emergency provisions of the bestowal plan become active forthwith. The Paradise Sons stand pledged and ready to function as retrievers, to go into the very realms of rebellion and there restore the spiritual status of the spheres. And such a heroic service a co-ordinate Creator Son did perform on Urantia in connection with his experiential bestowal career of sovereignty acquirement."
'''Rob wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 4:44 PM'''
"Creature" in the case cited refers to restoration of a realm disordered by disloyal descending Sons. The restoration of human cultures such as we are witnessing here requires the restoration of normal human leadership that is guided by a reconstituted Planetary Government.
:We do not consider mortals actually running this world. Yes, there are those that think they do and consider themselves in complete charge of all that is about them, but we would think otherwise. We consider this world, now especially under the direction, under the supervision and guidance of not only a rightful Prince, a worthy and loyal Son, but an entire administration guiding and directing the course of this planet in the context of this new beginning. You have read of the Master Seraphim and their contacts with various groups of mortals; yes, you can imagine that through them and all Father has his hand firmly upon the affairs of your world. ...Yes, there is a way, there is a procedure we follow, and yes, there are many mortals who would impose their own procedure, their own way, but let us proceed…your world is in need of correction to adjust from the ways of your own assertion, the culture of self-assertion into the culture of cooperation, partnership with God.- [https://www.nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2001-04-13-Human_Agendas Tomas]
Leadership is not defined by arbitrary use of power, nor a dependence upon false promises of magical cures but a willingness to share freely in the adventure of living as a mortal of the realm struggling with human dilemmas albeit illuminated by faith, a faith that is forever too deep for mere words.
