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MONJORONSON:  You see what [[effect]] Christ [[Michael]] had in the [[flesh]] as [[Jesus]], for his stay of 36 mortal years here.  What would the impact be of my life upon your world and your [[history]] if I remain for three thousand years, for example?  It would be tremendous.

MONJORONSON:  You see what [[effect]] Christ [[Michael]] had in the [[flesh]] as [[Jesus]], for his stay of 36 mortal years here.  What would the impact be of my life upon your world and your [[history]] if I remain for three thousand years, for example?  It would be tremendous.

===='''''[[Magisterial Mission]]'''', '''''[[Growth]]'''''====

===='''''[[Magisterial Mission]]''''', '''''[[Growth]]'''''====

Vicki:  It would be tremendous, for sure.  My next question has to do with the [[confusion]] [of] what a [[Magisterial Son]] is, even with the [[information]] that we receive in the [[Urantia Book]], it’s still quite confusing to many of us.  And so my next question has to do with one area of confusion for me that has to do with [[understanding]] your [[growth]] [[potential]] [as a] [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_20 Descending Son of God].  It is my understanding that as a Magisterial or [[Paradise Son]] you are a fully unified [[personality]], conceived in [[perfection]], but with a growth potential.  In other [[words]], you [[function]] within the experiential realm of [[the Supreme]].  Am I correct?  (Yes.)  As a [[mortal]] then, when I think of growth, I [[think]] of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error trial and error] [[experience]], and it is hard for me to grasp how one grows, who is within themselves perfect.  My question is: how can you add [[growth]] experience to [[perfection]]?  Can you explain how your growth is similar to or different from our mortal experience of growth as [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_40 ascending sons of God]?

Vicki:  It would be tremendous, for sure.  My next question has to do with the [[confusion]] [of] what a [[Magisterial Son]] is, even with the [[information]] that we receive in the [[Urantia Book]], it’s still quite confusing to many of us.  And so my next question has to do with one area of confusion for me that has to do with [[understanding]] your [[growth]] [[potential]] [as a] [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_20 Descending Son of God].  It is my understanding that as a Magisterial or [[Paradise Son]] you are a fully unified [[personality]], conceived in [[perfection]], but with a growth potential.  In other [[words]], you [[function]] within the experiential realm of [[the Supreme]].  Am I correct?  (Yes.)  As a [[mortal]] then, when I think of growth, I [[think]] of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error trial and error] [[experience]], and it is hard for me to grasp how one grows, who is within themselves perfect.  My question is: how can you add [[growth]] experience to [[perfection]]?  Can you explain how your growth is similar to or different from our mortal experience of growth as [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_40 ascending sons of God]?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  The kernel, the [[seed]] germ within your question is the [[statement]] about trial and error.  My participation, for example, in your world is not a matter of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error trial and error].  It is truly the [[expression]] of the [[development]], much as viewing a flower bulb that is planted in the ground that sprouts in spring.  It is a dormant bulb in the chill of winter, [then] puts down little rootlets, receives nourishment and begins to [[grow]] and push through a first sprout into the sunlight, showing, “this is the way.”  As you see this bulb develop into many green leaves and finally a [[center]] shoot, which is the stem of the flower and the opening of the petals of the flower, the stamen and the color of the bloom, this was not trial and error, was it?  (No.)  But truly the [[expression]] of a known and given plan to begin with.   

MONJORONSON:  The kernel, the [[seed]] germ within your question is the [[statement]] about trial and error.  My participation, for example, in your world is not a matter of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error trial and error].  It is truly the [[expression]] of the [[development]], much as viewing a flower bulb that is planted in the ground that sprouts in spring.  It is a dormant bulb in the chill of winter, [then] puts down little rootlets, receives nourishment and begins to [[grow]] and push through a first sprout into the sunlight, showing, “this is the way.”  As you see this bulb develop into many green leaves and finally a [[center]] shoot, which is the stem of the flower and the opening of the petals of the flower, the stamen and the color of the bloom, this was not trial and error, was it?  (No.)  But truly the [[expression]] of a known and given plan to begin with.   

   

   

Your world has not [[experienced]] the full and perfect bloom of [[growth]].  You have, even as individuals, used trial and error to grow; this is the beginning of experience, [[reflecting]] upon experience in getting [[wisdom]] to guide future [[decisions]].  Your [[civilizations]] have not had the [[wonderful]] [[opportunity]] to grow into [[perfection]], into [[sustainability]]—never in the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Urantia_Text_-_Contents#Part_III._The_History_of_Urantia history of this planet] has any [[civilization]] ever [[survived]] and sustained itself and bloomed further.  All have died, withered and succumbed to the rigors of history and the weaknesses of [[humanity]].  I am here to help unfold the [[perfect]] [[plan]] of [[development]] for your world.  

Your world has not [[experienced]] the full and perfect bloom of [[growth]].  You have, even as individuals, used trial and error to grow; this is the beginning of experience, [[reflecting]] upon experience in getting [[wisdom]] to guide future [[decisions]].  Your [[civilizations]] have not had the [[wonderful]] [[opportunity]] to grow into [[perfection]], into [[sustainability]]—never in the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Urantia_Text_-_Contents#Part_III._The_History_of_Urantia history of this planet] has any [[civilization]] ever [[survived]] and sustained itself and bloomed further.  All have died, withered and succumbed to the rigors of history and the weaknesses of [[humanity]].  I am here to help unfold the [[perfect]] plan of [[development]] for your world.  

   

   

How I “grow,” (and put the word “grow” in quotes, please), is through the addition of experience of [[unfolding]] this perfect plan for [[Urantia]], for your civilizations, for this world, and for [[individuals]] who can grow into perfection more easily than they have in the past history of your [[fractured]] and tumultuous planet.  My addition to growth is the addition of experience to [[God the Supreme]], that experiential element through a [[Divine]] [[Being]], who adds and augments the completion of [[the Supreme]].  Yes, I am perfect, I am Divine, yet experience is something I gain in living this way.  I gain experience though—at this [[moment]]—when I am not materially [[manifest]] on your world, I gain experience and a contribution to God the Supreme by being [[physically]], corporeally present on your world and experience the [[difficulties]] and rigors of being a [[mortal]] captive, a mortal material captive on a [[planet]].  This is—though I have experienced that before—completely new, for this world, for this planet.  So there is something new to be gained for God the Supreme, myself, and in turn, we give so much to you in doing so.  Does this help?

How I “grow,” (and put the word “grow” in quotes, please), is through the addition of experience of [[unfolding]] this perfect plan for [[Urantia]], for your civilizations, for this world, and for [[individuals]] who can grow into perfection more easily than they have in the past history of your [[fractured]] and tumultuous planet.  My addition to growth is the addition of experience to [[God the Supreme]], that experiential element through a [[Divine]] [[Being]], who adds and augments the completion of [[the Supreme]].  Yes, I am perfect, I am Divine, yet experience is something I gain in living this way.  I gain experience though—at this [[moment]]—when I am not materially [[manifest]] on your world, I gain experience and a contribution to God the Supreme by being [[physically]], corporeally present on your world and experience the [[difficulties]] and rigors of being a [[mortal]] captive, a mortal material captive on a [[planet]].  This is—though I have experienced that before—completely new, for this world, for this planet.  So there is something new to be gained for God the Supreme, myself, and in turn, we give so much to you in doing so.  Does this help?

   

   

Vicki:  Yes, it does, it does.  Thank you.

Vicki:  Yes, it does, it does.  Thank you.

===='''''[[Divinity]]'''''====

===='''''[[Divinity]]'''''====

In thinking about Michael’s bestowal, there were times when it appeared that individuals were unable to [[perceive]] his [[Divinity]], which is surprising to me, and so I’m asking when you [[personalize]] and people come in your [[presence]], will they always be able to perceive your Divinity, or is there more to this that I may not understand?

In thinking about Michael’s bestowal, there were times when it appeared that individuals were unable to [[perceive]] his [[Divinity]], which is surprising to me, and so I’m asking when you [[personalize]] and people come in your [[presence]], will they always be able to perceive your Divinity, or is there more to this that I may not understand?