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*(Lucifer’s erroneous ideas and choices)

*(Lucifer’s erroneous ideas and choices)

   

   

NEBADONIA:  Our main feelings about our son were initially ones of surprise and disappointment.  Yet for us it was also an acknowledgment of our Father’s ability to create--truly create unique, free-willed personalities, independent of both Him and us.  Lucifer’s genuinely erroneous ideas came out of his own creativity, and then because of what you would call ego/maniacal reasoning--a kind of stubborn partiality to what he himself was capable of originating--call it pride or arrogance--he seized upon these notions to the exclusion of all the rest of Michael’s, and my, and the Father’s creation.  In human terms it was an infatuation with, and an addiction to, his own ideas of how things should be.  He was always cognizant of Michael’s and my existence, and of our offers of love and assistance to help him gain some humility, some deeper appreciation of the enormity of what he was devaluing, but our offers were spurned with increasing contempt.  He took Michael’s refusal to judge and come up against him as some kind of proof he--Lucifer--was right.  

NEBADONIA:  Our main [[feelings]] about our son were initially ones of [[surprise]] and [[disappointment]].  Yet for us it was also an [[acknowledgment]] of [[our Father]]’s [[ability]] to [[create]]--truly create [[unique]], [[free-will]]ed [[personalities]], [[independent]] of both Him and us.  [[Lucifer]]’s genuinely erroneous [[ideas]] came out of his own [[creativity]], and then because of what you would call [[ego]]/maniacal [[reasoning]]--a kind of stubborn partiality to what he himself was capable of originating--call it [[pride]] or arrogance--he seized upon these notions to the exclusion of all the rest of [[Michael]]’s, and my, and [[the Father]]’s [[creation]].  In [[human]] terms it was an [[infatuation]] with, and an [[addiction]] to, his own [[ideas]] of how things should be.  He was always [[cognizant]] of [[Michael]]’s and my [[existence]], and of our offers of [[love]] and [[assistance]] to help him gain some [[humility]], some deeper [[appreciation]] of the enormity of what he was devaluing, but our offers were spurned with increasing [[contempt]].  He took [[Michael]]’s refusal to [[judge]] and come up against him as some kind of [[proof]] he--[[Lucifer]]--was right.  

   

   

It got the point of his thinking we were some kind of petty tyranny, and that he was ever so courageous himself to break free and lead a rebellion against us.  His flaw was essentially one of irresponsibility insofar as he began to initiate things--changes in your Local System--and then refused to respond to what ensued.  He would not respond to the chaos, the retrogression, and the enormous suffering he himself was initiating.  He began to live more and more in his own mind, especially as things did not pan out as he thought they would.  You can only imagine what it was like for a personality to become so twisted and turned in upon itself like this.  For hundreds of thousand of years he constantly spurned Michael’s offers of mercy simply because they implied genuine rehabilitation--acknowledging, in order to re-embrace, greater spirit.

It got the point of his [[thinking]] we were some kind of petty [[tyranny]], and that he was ever so [[courageous]] himself to break free and lead a [[rebellion]] against us.  His flaw was [[essentially]] one of irresponsibility insofar as he began to [[initiate]] [[things]]--[[changes]] in your [[Local System]]--and then refused to [[respond]] to what ensued.  He would not respond to the [[chaos]], the retrogression, and the enormous [[suffering]] he himself was initiating.  He began to live more and more in his own [[mind]], especially as things did not pan out as he thought they would.  You can only [[imagine]] what it was like for a [[personality]] to become so twisted and turned in upon itself like this.  For hundreds of thousand of years he constantly spurned Michael’s offers of [[mercy]] simply because they implied genuine rehabilitation--[[acknowledging]], in order to re-[[embrace]], greater [[spirit]].

   

   

Student:  At a certain point he must have known he was wrong, and he just couldn’t turn that around?

Student:  At a certain point he must have known he was wrong, and he just couldn’t turn that around?

   

   

NEBADONIA:  No; what I’m saying is that he never accepted that he was wrong.  He stubbornly persisted in “being right”--clinging to a past decision--just as you’ve all experienced with others, perhaps even within yourself at times.  

NEBADONIA:  No; what I’m saying is that he never [[accepted]] that he was wrong.  He stubbornly persisted in “being right”--clinging to a past [[decision]]--just as you’ve all [[experienced]] with others, perhaps even within yourself at times.  

   

   

Student:  But when he was interred, he must have come to realize he no longer had any power.  How could he not, like, deal with that fact?

Student:  But when he was interred, he must have come to realize he no longer had any [[power]].  How could he not, like, deal with that [[fact]]?

   

   

NEBADONIA:  This is what you would call, in a human being, insanity.  It doesn’t make sense.  If he had been capable of reasoning even to that slight degree of accuracy, he wouldn’t have been where he was.  He had lost the ability to let go his own inner machinations to the point where they then had him.  He had lost touch with outer reality and the enormous glory of the Father’s creation, the perception we call the spiritual blessing of humility.  

NEBADONIA:  This is what you would call, in a [[human being]], [[insanity]].  It doesn’t make sense.  If he had been capable of [[reasoning]] even to that slight [[degree]] of accuracy, he wouldn’t have been where he was.  He had lost the [[ability]] to let go his own inner machinations to the point where they then had him.  He had lost [[touch]] with outer [[reality]] and the enormous [[glory]] of [[the Father]]’s [[creation]], the [[perception]] we call the [[spiritual]] [[blessing]] of [[humility]].  

   

   

Student:  So he no longer exists?

Student:  So he no longer exists?

   

   

NEBADONIA:  Yes, since the adjudication of his rebellion that wiped him out, along with all the other spirits who also refused to acknowledge something greater than themselves.  This is why, in a very real sense, iniquitous, evil beings more or less remove themselves from cosmic reality by their own refusal to acknowledge and appreciate it.  

NEBADONIA:  Yes, since the [[adjudication]] of his [[rebellion]] that wiped him out, along with all the other spirits who also refused to [[acknowledge]] something greater than themselves.  This is why, in a very real sense, [[Iniquity|iniquitous]], [[evil]] beings more or less remove themselves from [[cosmic]] [[reality]] by their own refusal to acknowledge and [[appreciate]] it.  

   

   

As you’ve been informed, neither Michael nor I were required to cause any of our own children to cease to exist, although everything they were and did, everything they directly caused, will always be a part of the Supreme Being, the universal history of time and space events--God’s soul, if you will.  Only in that sense do they live on.  

As you’ve been informed, neither [[Michael]] nor I were required to [[cause]] any of our own [[children]] to cease to exist, although [[everything]] they were and did, everything they directly caused, will always be a part of the [[Supreme Being]], the [[universal]] [[history]] of [[time and space]] [[events]]--[[God]]’s [[soul]], if you will.  Only in that sense do they live on.  

   

   

Student:  It’s so hard to grasp that such a life like that could falter.  It doesn’t make sense.  Like you said, it’s just insane.

Student:  It’s so hard to grasp that such a life like that could falter.  It doesn’t make sense.  Like you said, it’s just insane.

   

   

NEBADONIA:  Yes, this is what I meant when I said it was a demonstration to Michael and me of God’s infinity in creating unique personalities that are truly free--free even from Him and His goodness; free from us.  Lucifer’s experience was, and is, a cosmic possibility.  The things that go awry by personal choice are proof of the free-will-ness of all of God’s children.  Without this ability to avoid even Him, you’d have only a kind of absolute cosmic determinism, an inescapable fatalism.  You would not have discrete personal beings but only little aspects of God running around, doing only His will.  This is not the awesome reality and mystery of personality you noticed--which actually exists.  

NEBADONIA:  Yes, this is what I meant when I said it was a [[demonstration]] to [[Michael]] and me of [[God]]’s [[infinity]] in creating [[unique]] [[personalities]] that are truly [[free]]--free even from Him and His [[goodness]]; free from us.  [[Lucifer]]’s [[experience]] was, and is, a cosmic [[possibility]].  The [[things]] that go awry by [[personal]] [[choice]] are [[proof]] of the [[Free will|free-will]]-ness of all of [[God]]’s [[children]].  Without this [[ability]] to avoid even Him, you’d have only a kind of [[absolute]] cosmic [[determinism]], an inescapable [[fatalism]].  You would not have [[discrete]] [[personal]] [[beings]] but only little aspects of God running around, doing only His will.  This is not the awesome [[reality]] and [[mystery]] of [[personality]] you noticed--which actually exists.  

   

   

Student:  Now, with that adjudication, with all the System circuits being open, I do encounter those who are avid and deep readers of the Urantia book who don’t believe that that has happened.  I don’t get into arguments with them, but allow the Spirit of Truth to reveal that.  Is there any guidance you could give me in this realm?

Student:  Now, with that [[adjudication]], with all[[ the System]] [[circuits]] being open, I do encounter those who are avid and deep [[readers]] of the [[Urantia book]] who don’t believe that that has happened.  I don’t get into [[arguments]] with them, but allow the [[Spirit of Truth]] to reveal that.  Is there any [[guidance]] you could give me in this realm?

   

   

NEBDONIA, laughing:  Well, do what we do: tease.  You are wise in following the ways of spirit: you never demand; you playfully suggest.  Plant seeds/concepts.  Keep a sense of humor about it all.  

NEBDONIA, [[laughing]]:  Well, do what we do: tease.  You are [[wise]] in following the ways of [[spirit]]: you never demand; you [[playfully]] suggest.  Plant [[seeds]]/[[concepts]].  Keep a sense of [[humor]] about it all.  

   

   

Listen well to what they say, and follow your own advice by really entertaining--as best you can--what they have to offer.  Have a real exchange; get to know them and their viewpoint.  

[[Listen]] well to what they say, and follow your own advice by really [[entertaining]]--as best you can--what they have to offer.  Have a real exchange; get to know them and their [[viewpoint]].  

   

   

Student:  Well, I thank you for the guidance.  I honor your presence--very much.  

Student:  Well, I thank you for the [[guidance]].  I honor your [[presence]]--very much.  

   

   

NEBADONIA:  You are welcome, my son.  Be in my love.

NEBADONIA:  You are [[welcome]], my son.  Be in my [[love]].

   

   

Student:  I want to thank you, Mother, for pulling all of us forward--pulling me forward out of myself.  And the growth.  

Student:  I want to thank you, Mother, for pulling all of us forward--pulling me forward out of myself.  And the [[growth]].  

   

   

NEBADONIA:  My son, are you having more fun?

NEBADONIA:  My son, are you having more fun?

   

   

Student:  Yes and no--more of yes, though.  Actually--I’m doing very good.

Student:  Yes and no--more of yes, though.  Actually--I’m doing very good.

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*(Having fun)  

*(Having fun)