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TARKAS: There is a unifying influence on our side which we hope will eventually be accepted by you as a strong and powerful oneness. We do represent the one God, the first source and center, and so our influences should all be in unison or a oneness with that. And yet we understand your curiosity. You want to know all individual names. You have correctly ascertained that we each have our own personalities. You know that crossing to this side is simply a step to another dimension and level of progress. We, of course, have different personalities, just as you do.

TARKAS: There is a unifying [[influence]] on our side which we [[hope]] will eventually be [[accepted]] by you as a strong and powerful [[oneness]]. We do [[represent]] the one [[God]], the [[first source and center]], and so our influences should all be in unison or a oneness with that. And yet we [[understand]] your [[curiosity]]. You want to know all individual [[names]]. You have correctly ascertained that we each have our own [[personalities]]. You know that crossing to this side is simply a [[step]] to another [[dimension]] and level of [[progress]]. We, of course, have different personalities, just as you do.

The ultimate communications that you can make is with your Indwelling Thought Adjuster . .. the indwelling spirit essence that is, in fact, you. One day you will experience that oneness. At the same time, our influences should be felt and understood as a oneness, so your efforts on Urantia must develop into a oneness, as well. This seems like such a vast distance to that place from where you are. But I tell you that it will come and it will come with deliberate speed.

The ultimate [[communications]] that you can make is with your Indwelling [[Thought Adjuster]] . .. the indwelling spirit [[essence]] that is, in fact, you. One day you will [[experience]] that [[oneness]]. At the same time, our [[influences]] should be felt and understood as a oneness, so your [[efforts]] on [[Urantia]] must develop into a oneness, as well. This seems like such a vast distance to that place from where you are. But I tell you that it will come and it will come with deliberate [[speed]].

That oneness could be likened to a beautiful patterned rug that you are weaving of many colors, and you are each threads interweaving that beautiful tapestry, making something quite beautiful by working together and creating something of great strength and foundation. A foundation that all of you can stand on, once your rug is completed. And, perhaps, fly away to one of the mansion worlds.

That [[oneness]] could be likened to a [[beautiful]] patterned rug that you are [[weaving]] of many [[colors]], and you are each threads interweaving that beautiful [[tapestry]], making something quite beautiful by working together and creating something of great [[strength]] and [[foundation]]. A foundation that all of you can stand on, once your rug is completed. And, perhaps, fly away to one of the [[mansion worlds]].

I'm sorry, but that last comment was partially in jest. (laughter from group)

I'm sorry, but that last comment was partially in jest. ([[laughter]] from group)

I am working on my metaphors.

I am working on my [[metaphors]].

QUESTION: Tarkas, can you tell us anything about the diary of a previous pope. It has to do with revelations to him from Jesus and Mary concerning the future. Evidently, he was told it wasn't the right time to disseminate the information. Now, 30 years later, should that information be disseminated or not? Would it be wise of us to share it with others?

QUESTION: Tarkas, can you tell us anything about the [[diary]] of a previous [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope pope]. It has to do with [[revelations]] to him from [[Jesus]] and [[Mother Mary|Mary]] concerning the [[future]]. Evidently, he was told it wasn't the right time to [[disseminate]] the information. Now, 30 years later, should that information be disseminated or not? Would it be [[wise]] of us to [[share]] it with others?

TARKAS: This is a very difficult question for me to answer. I can say that the diaries are essentially authentic and that Pope John was a great, an unusually great, leader of your church who was truly inspired in wondrous ways.

TARKAS: This is a very [[difficult]] question for me to [[answer]]. I can say that the diaries are essentially authentic and that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II Pope John] was a great, an unusually great, [[leader]] of your church who was truly [[inspired]] in wondrous ways.

I cannot say that the timetables will be accurate, although I cannot say that they will not be. As you know, we are not in the same time references as you, and events are always predicated on a number of other human events having occurred, so that it works in a chain reaction. If certain events have happened, certain achievements have been made, certain steps will be taken. And this is the logical next step based on these parameters.

I cannot say that the timetables will be accurate, although I cannot say that they will not be. As you know, we are not in the same time [[references]] as you, and [[events]] are always predicated on a number of other human events having occurred, so that it works in a [[chain reaction]]. If certain events have happened, certain [[achievements]] have been made, certain steps will be taken. And this is the [[logical]] next step based on these [[parameters]].

And so, so-called time can be somewhat fluid, although I would not say that the times would not be followed for we have very strong forces at work. There is no stronger force in this universe than Christ Michael and the reclamation of the rebellion. If the schedules can be met, perhaps Christ Michael and the Melchizedecks, and all of the personalities working on his behalf can make them. Many times, as it is with you, we have to wait and see.

And so, so-called [[time]] can be somewhat [[fluid]], although I would not say that the times would not be followed for we have very strong [[forces]] at work. There is no stronger force in this universe than Christ [[Michael]] and the reclamation of [[the rebellion]]. If the schedules can be met, perhaps Christ [[Michael]] and the [[Melchizedecks]], and all of the [[personalities]] working on his behalf can make them. Many times, as it is with you, we have to wait and see.

I will say these diaries have caused a great deal of conversation among mission planners who have much greater responsibilities than I. I am not at liberty to say much more concerning this revelation. Isn't it fortunate and exciting to live in these quickening times? All of you can literally feel the changes happening all around us.

I will say these [[diaries]] have caused a great deal of [[conversation]] among mission planners who have much greater [[responsibilities]] than I. I am not at [[liberty]] to say much more concerning this [[revelation]]. Isn't it fortunate and exciting to live in these quickening times? All of you can [[literally]] feel the [[changes]] happening all around us.

Even this month of Urantia time, there is an opening of spiritual energy that will cause changes in thinking patterns and other things which will quicken correction time. Be especially cognizant in the few weeks ahead, but I also ask you to be cognizant at all times and develop awareness of how you are feeling, the impressions that are coming to your mind, and the thoughts that are being impressed on your mind.

Even this month of [[Urantia]] time, there is an opening of [[spiritual]] [[energy]] that will cause [[changes]] in [[thinking]] patterns and other things which will quicken [[correction time]]. Be especially cognizant in the few weeks ahead, but I also ask you to be cognizant at all times and develop awareness of how you are [[feeling]], the [[impressions]] that are coming to your mind, and the thoughts that are being impressed on your [[mind]].

As you desire to move forward in this mission, you must be more greatly attuned to yourself, the teachers and guides who would inspire you, and your Thought Adjuster. Do not be afraid of these influences, you are strong and stable people who have learned to take this mission and other seemingly miraculous events in stride, and maintained your faith.

As you [[desire]] to move forward in [[this mission]], you must be more greatly [[attuned]] to yourself, [[the teachers]] and guides who would inspire you, and your [[Thought Adjuster]]. Do not be afraid of these [[influences]], you are strong and stable people who have learned to take [[this mission]] and other seemingly [[miraculous]] events in stride, and maintained your [[faith]].

We trust you to use the guidance of the spiritual influences here, especially the Spirit of Truth, to make decisions day by day that will guide your lives. I assure you, you will be making many of the right ones if you live in the Father's love.

We [[trust]] you to use the [[guidance]] of the spiritual [[influences]] here, especially the [[Spirit of Truth]], to make [[decisions]] day by day that will guide your lives. I assure you, you will be making many of the right ones if you live in [[the Father]]'s [[love]].

QUESTION: Recently in Cincinnati, a fellow on crack cocaine murdered his second mother in order to get her money. I don't have much feeling for him and the jury gave him life imprisonment. I felt he didn't deserve to live. Should I be more forgiving? Do I have a right to protect society and eliminate him? Do you have a feeling on this?

QUESTION: Recently in Cincinnati, a fellow on crack cocaine [[murdered]] his second mother in order to get her [[money]]. I don't have much [[feeling]] for him and the [[jury]] gave him life [[imprisonment]]. I felt he didn't deserve to live. Should I be more [[forgiving]]? Do I have a right to protect [[society]] and eliminate him? Do you have a [[feeling]] on this?

TARKAS: Perhaps not a feeling, but it is a topic I would be . .. almost pleased to discuss. This is a difficult question and I would approach it from two standpoints. Yes, you should forgive this wicked wretch, and yes, you should work toward his rehabilitation. There is a great emphasis on punishment of criminals on your world and very little attention to rehabilitation. Many people say that these people cannot be rehabilitated and that they should be imprisoned or exterminated.

TARKAS: Perhaps not a feeling, but it is a [[topic]] I would be . .. almost pleased to [[discuss]]. This is a difficult question and I would approach it from two [[standpoints]]. Yes, you should [[forgive]] this wicked wretch, and yes, you should work toward his [[rehabilitation]]. There is a great emphasis on punishment of [[criminals]] on your world and very little [[attention]] to rehabilitation. Many people say that these people cannot be rehabilitated and that they should be imprisoned or exterminated.

On evolving worlds such as yours, it is your responsibility and your free will choices that build the institutions that do these things. Your institutions are prisons and execution chambers and this is how you've chosen it to be. But as you approach an era of light and life, you will begin to realize that these are not solutions to your problems, but only painful complications. Your prisons have become breeding grounds for evil and your execution chambers do nothing except traumatize the people involved.

On [[evolving worlds]] such as yours, it is your [[responsibility]] and your [[free will]] choices that build the [[institutions]] that do these things. Your institutions are [[prisons]] and execution chambers and this is how you've chosen it to be. But as you approach an era of [[light and life]], you will begin to realize that these are not solutions to your [[problems]], but only painful complications. Your [[prisons]] have become breeding grounds for [[evil]] and your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment execution chambers] do nothing except traumatize the people involved.

Rehabilitation is possible, but not with the skills you have today. We are working ultimately to a spiritualization of your planet. Eventually, a spiritual dimension should be added to all of your institutions. You should not be afraid to mix spirituality and recognition of the heavenly Father with any of your institutions. This will guide you, ultimately, into a framework for rehabilitation whereby people who have erred and committed crimes can be administered in a rehabilitative facility.

Rehabilitation is possible, but not with the [[skills]] you have today. We are working ultimately to a [[spiritualization]] of [[your planet]]. [[Eventually]], a [[spiritual]] [[dimension]] should be added to all of your [[institutions]]. You should not be afraid to mix [[spirituality]] and recognition of the heavenly Father with any of your [[institutions]]. This will guide you, ultimately, into a framework for rehabilitation whereby people who have [[erred]] and committed [[crimes]] can be administered in a rehabilitative facility.

Of course, the first place to start, as we've said before, is at birth. From the time a child is conceived, you must have a responsibility to that child, especially through the family unit, which is the highest calling of human kind -- parenting. This is where a lot of problems are prevented. Rehabilitation is an adjunct to this. It is a logical next step. Eventually, you will understand that punishment, anger, and resentment only breed more of the same. When you develop an attitude of love, mercy, and compassion for the other person, you have made true spiritual progress.

Of course, the first place to start, as we've said before, is at [[birth]]. From the time a child is [[conceived]], you must have a [[responsibility]] to that child, especially through the [[family]] unit, which is the highest calling of [[human kind]] -- [[parenting]]. This is where a lot of [[problems]] are prevented. Rehabilitation is an adjunct to this. It is a [[logical]] next step. Eventually, you will [[understand]] that punishment, [[anger]], and resentment only breed more of the same. When you [[develop]] an attitude of [[love]], [[mercy]], and [[compassion]] for the other person, you have made true [[spiritual progress]].

I will say one other thing, that your society has the responsibility to provide protection for people. So your police systems, court systems are perfectly justified and necessary. And I would encourage all of you to be extremely careful about your persons and not do foolish things that put yourselves in harm's way when proceeding with the mission.

I will say one other thing, that your [[society]] has the [[responsibility]] to provide [[protection]] for people. So your [[police]] systems, [[court]] systems are perfectly [[justified]] and [[necessary]]. And I would encourage all of you to be extremely careful about your persons and not do [[foolish]] things that put yourselves in harm's way when proceeding with [[the mission]].

This is not to say that there are not poor and indigent people, and you should strongly consider trying to help. It is quite a challenge and adventure, and you are left with your beautiful personalities and your free wills to make all these decisions. Do you not find it exciting?

This is not to say that there are not [[poor]] and indigent people, and you should strongly [[consider]] trying to help. It is quite a [[challenge]] and [[adventure]], and you are left with your [[beautiful]] [[personalities]] and your [[free will]]s to make all these decisions. Do you not find it exciting?

HUMAN: I no longer live in just this world. I live in this one and the one after that, and the one after that. Let me run something by you to see if I'm perceiving things as Jesus would. If something doesn't go well in this life, a relationship or something, I'm not worried because I know it will take care of itself in the next life. When someone has done wrong, I don't feel bad when they die because I know they will be rehabilitated on the mansion worlds. I know death isn't final.

HUMAN: I no longer live in just this world. I live in this one and the one after that, and the one after that. Let me run something by you to see if I'm [[perceiving]] things as [[Jesus]] would. If something doesn't go well in this life, a [[relationship]] or something, I'm not worried because I know it will take care of itself in the next life. When someone has done wrong, I don't [[feel]] bad when they die because I know they will be rehabilitated on the [[mansion worlds]]. I know [[death]] isn't final.

TARKAS: You have a very good perspective based on your study of the Urantia Book. You understand that this lifetime is only the beginning of a glorious adventure. The poor condemned criminal who must be executed must suffer for his crimes and be resurrected on a mansion world where his final disposition will be dealt with by the Ancient of Days. It is true it will be handled there and you should not worry yourself about the problems of the whole world.

TARKAS: You have a very good [[perspective]] based on your [[study]] of the [[Urantia Book]]. You [[understand]] that this lifetime is only the beginning of a glorious [[adventure]]. The [[poor]] condemned [[criminal]] who must be [[executed]] must suffer for his crimes and be [[resurrected]] on a [[mansion world]] where his final disposition will be dealt with by the [[Ancient of Days]]. It is true it will be handled there and you should not worry yourself about the [[problems]] of the whole world.

It is a very good lesson that you have given us, hopefully reinforcing the thought that day-by-day there are ways that you can make a difference. There is so much need right within your grasp. I would suggest that the big problems not cause you worry, and that you not be so concerned that you step out and work for causes that are truly futile and are not in the spiritual mission.

It is a very good lesson that you have given us, [[hopefully]] reinforcing the [[thought]] that day-by-day there are ways that you can make a [[difference]]. There is so much need right within your grasp. I would suggest that the big [[problems]] not cause you [[worry]], and that you not be so concerned that you [[step]] out and work for causes that are truly futile and are not in the spiritual mission.

I should clarify this. Sometimes when the topic is raised there is the danger of misunderstanding. I did not intend to say that you should not minister to the criminals on your death rows with the love of the Father and work diligently to do what we can to give spiritual comfort. Once they pass over, then it is in other hands. To bring a wicked person to the love of the Father in this life is an accomplishment to be proud. It would serve this condemned prisoner very well on the other side.

I should [[clarify]] this. Sometimes when the [[topic]] is raised there is the [[danger]] of misunderstanding. I did not [[intend]] to say that you should not minister to the [[criminals]] on your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_row death rows] with the [[love]] of [[the Father]] and work [[diligently]] to do what we can to give spiritual [[comfort]]. Once they pass over, then it is in other hands. To bring a [[wicked]] person to the [[love]] of [[the Father]] in this life is an accomplishment to be [[proud]]. It would serve this condemned [[prisoner]] very well on the other side.

I know that final judgments are made for many reasons, and it is not our place to speculate. As long as your brothers and sisters are with you in this life, you do have an ultimate responsibility to share with them the Father's love if the opportunity presents itself.

I know that final [[judgments]] are made for many reasons, and it is not our place to [[speculate]]. As long as your [[brothers and sisters]] are with you in this [[life]], you do have an ultimate [[responsibility]] to [[share]] with them [[the Father]]'s [[love]] if the [[opportunity]] presents itself.

Has this answered your question?

Has this answered your question?

HUMAN: It has reinforced that I won't feel badly but if the opportunity is there to help, I will.

HUMAN: It has reinforced that I won't feel badly but if the [[opportunity]] is there to help, I will.

TARKAS: A very succinct summation.

TARKAS: A very succinct summation.

HUMAN: (unintelligible question)

HUMAN: (unintelligible [[question]])

TARKAS: By all means. In your broadened perspective, you know that the soul will be resurrected on the mansion worlds and his record will speak for him there. You know from the text that there is still opportunity on the other side to accept the Father's glorious love and repent and continue to survive. It is not our role here to conjecture on who might be saved and who might not. These are judgments that are not for us to make.

TARKAS: By all means. In your broadened [[perspective]], you know that the [[soul]] will be [[resurrected]] on the [[mansion worlds]] and his record will speak for him there. You know from [[the text]] that there is still [[opportunity]] on the other side to [[accept]] [[the Father]]'s [[glorious]] [[love]] and [[repent]] and continue to [[survive]]. It is not our role here to [[conjecture]] on who might be saved and who might not. These are [[judgments]] that are not for us to make.

HUMAN: We can always ask the Father to send someone to them to help them. You can always pray. Remember God hates evil but loves the evildoer.

HUMAN: We can always ask [[the Father]] to send someone to them to help them. You can always [[pray]]. Remember [[God]] hates [[evil]] but loves the evildoer.

HUMAN: I remember a story about an older woman, a very spiritual woman who was confronted by a rapist in her home. She talked to him and he came to know God.

HUMAN: I remember a [[story]] about an older woman, a very [[spiritual]] [[woman]] who was confronted by a [[rapist]] in her [[home]]. She talked to him and he came to know God.

HUMAN: That evildoer who has gone on to a mansion world might be better than anyone here because he may have had that spiritual awakening there that I'm working on here. There is no line between here and there.

HUMAN: That evildoer who has gone on to a [[mansion world]] might be better than anyone here because he may have had that spiritual [[awakening]] there that I'm working on here. There is no line between here and there.

TARKAS: There are many glorious comeback stories in the mansion worlds.

TARKAS: There are many [[glorious]] comeback stories in the [[mansion worlds]].

I thank you, Father Bob, for your reminder of prayer, for prayer is something we all must do daily in a specific way. Please think of something you can pray about each day and make a specific petition to Christ Michael to address this. This is the very least you can do for the mission. I trust that you do firmly believe that prayer is effective. This is one of the first lessons that you must learn. Daily worship is very glorious in many ways. Daily prayer is asked of each of you.

I thank you, Father Bob, for your reminder of [[prayer]], for prayer is something we all must do daily in a specific way. Please think of something you can pray about each day and make a specific [[petition]] to Christ [[Michael]] to address this. This is the very least you can do for [[the mission]]. I trust that you do firmly believe that [[prayer]] is effective. This is one of the first lessons that you must [[learn]]. Daily [[worship]] is very [[glorious]] in many ways. Daily [[prayer]] is asked of each of you.

These discussions are very good because you are always able to bring out perspectives and points of view that are invariably accurate and add to what I say. This is a good example of humans and personalities such as your teachers working together in a gratifying way to serve on Urantia.

These [[discussions]] are very [[good]] because you are always able to bring out [[perspectives]] and points of view that are invariably [[accurate]] and add to what I say. This is a good [[example]] of humans and [[personalities]] such as your teachers working together in a gratifying way to serve on [[Urantia]].

I would remind you that there are many teachers here and many guides working under my example. Find times during the day to seek the stillness and ask questions. Be sure to wait a few minutes for the answer. Start to gather these impressions and the thoughts that come to mind and see what unfolds.

I would remind you that there are many teachers here and many [[guides]] working under my [[example]]. Find times during the day to seek the [[stillness]] and ask [[questions]]. Be sure to wait a few minutes for the answer. Start to gather these [[impressions]] and the [[thoughts]] that come to [[mind]] and see what [[unfolds]].

HUMAN: I have tried to identify with a person in prison in order to have compassion. How horrible for that person who has turned away from their Thought Adjusters and God's love. They need someone who can find that spark of light within them that they cannot see. Think of the child within them. Help them forgive themselves.

HUMAN: I have tried to identify with a [[person]] in [[prison]] in order to have [[compassion]]. How horrible for that person who has turned away from their [[Thought Adjuster]]s and [[God]]'s [[love]]. They need someone who can find that [[spark]] of [[light]] within them that they cannot see. Think of the child within them. Help them [[forgive]] themselves.

TARKAS: This is a very beautiful lesson that you have given and you are absolutely correct. We should remember that every person on death row was once a beautiful and innocent baby imbued with the purity and goodness of the infant. And yet life on your troubled world, the breakdown of spirituality, the exclusion of spiritual thinking in your institutions, the failures of your schools, and the failures, most of all, of the family structure, have formed the condemned criminal who sits there in judgment. In many cases, the burden of his guilt is worse than the punishment that can be inflicted.

TARKAS: This is a very [[beautiful]] lesson that you have given and you are [[absolutely]] correct. We should remember that every person on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_row death row] was once a [[beautiful]] and [[innocent]] [[baby]] imbued with the [[purity]] and [[goodness]] of the infant. And yet life on [[Urantia|your troubled world]], the breakdown of [[spirituality]], the exclusion of spiritual thinking in your [[institutions]], the failures of your [[schools]], and the failures, most of all, of the [[family]] structure, have formed the condemned [[criminal]] who sits there in [[judgment]]. In many cases, the [[burden]] of his [[guilt]] is worse than the punishment that can be inflicted.

In these institutions that you have, the matter of judgments continues to come up. I suggest that in your present state you are judging people too harshly, you are finding no inner goodness and you have devoted too few resources for rehabilitation of these people and giving them an influx of love and understanding. Your world suffers from many deficient genetic strains and these people cause many problems that could be avoided by working with them early in a strong spiritual home. This is much of what the mission is about.

In these [[institutions]] that you have, the matter of [[judgments]] continues to come up. I suggest that in your present state you are judging people too harshly, you are finding no inner [[goodness]] and you have [[devoted]] too few [[resources]] for rehabilitation of these people and giving them an influx of [[love]] and [[understanding]]. Your world suffers from many deficient [[genetic]] strains and these people cause many [[problems]] that could be avoided by working with them early in a strong spiritual [[home]]. This is much of what [[the mission]] is about.

The Correcting Time mission is not completely about spirituality on a direct basis. Many things lead into spirituality, such as efforts that you put forth to rebuild families, to minister to the poor and hungry, the misguided. These things are great examples of showing love and brotherhood that are certainly from a spiritual setting but also have a very human dimension, as well.

The [[Correcting Time]] mission is not completely about [[spirituality]] on a direct basis. Many things lead into spirituality, such as efforts that you put forth to rebuild [[families]], to minister to the [[poor]] and [[hungry]], the misguided. These things are great [[examples]] of showing [[love]] and [[brotherhood]] that are certainly from a [[spiritual]] setting but also have a very human [[dimension]], as well.

HUMAN: I would like to know some ideas about how we can better improve the educational system.

HUMAN: I would like to know some [[ideas]] about how we can better improve the [[educational]] system.

TARKAS: At the present time, I would administer love, compassion, and understanding to the students that you work with. For the long term, spirituality should be returned to the education process, not from a standpoint of proliferating dogma from the various churches, but in finding commonalties -- recognition of the heavenly Father, recognition of each of us as His children and to build life accordingly. This should be the basic message interwoven into any teaching curriculum, regardless of where misguided atheists would take exception. The heavenly Father must be part of your institutions if you are to shuck this legacy of violence and aggressive greed and replace it with spiritual love.

TARKAS: At the present time, I would administer [[love]], [[compassion]], and [[understanding]] to the [[students]] that you work with. For the long term, [[spirituality]] should be returned to the education process, not from a [[standpoint]] of proliferating [[dogma]] from the various churches, but in finding commonalties -- recognition of the [[heavenly Father]], recognition of each of us as His [[children]] and to build life accordingly. This should be the basic [[message]] interwoven into any teaching [[curriculum]], regardless of where misguided [[atheists]] would take exception. The [[heavenly Father]] must be part of your [[institutions]] if you are to shuck this [[legacy]] of [[violence]] and aggressive [[greed]] and replace it with spiritual [[love]].

QUESTION: Do you experience pain?

QUESTION: Do you [[experience]] [[pain]]?

TARKAS: Not in the sense that I think you are using the term. But if you define this as some sort of suffering, then it is true that we suffer sometimes, especially for the things that we see on this mission. We had heard about conditions on these troubled worlds but we had not fully comprehended the scope of some of the madness until we were here. I think that some of the empathy we have borders on suffering, to some degree. But this answer is partly speculative on my part based on how I define the word pain as you present it.

TARKAS: Not in the sense that I think you are using the term. But if you define this as some sort of [[suffering]], then it is true that we suffer sometimes, especially for the things that we see on [[this mission]]. We had heard about conditions on these [[Isolated worlds|troubled worlds]] but we had not fully [[comprehended]] the [[scope]] of some of the madness until we were here. I think that some of the [[empathy]] we have borders on suffering, to some degree. But this answer is partly speculative on my part based on how I define the word [[pain]] as you present it.

We are truly washed in a truly glorious spiritual joy that continues to be regenerated daily on this side. It is like drinking the water of a cool mountain stream as we go to commune with the heavenly Father each day. We have been allowed to be just a little closer to the heavenly Father on this side than you have and we can experience a somewhat higher level of joy through our worship and prayer.

We are truly washed in a truly [[glorious]] [[spiritual]] [[joy]] that continues to be regenerated daily on this side. It is like drinking the [[water]] of a cool mountain stream as we go to [[commune]] with the [[heavenly Father]] each day. We have been allowed to be just a little closer to the heavenly Father on this side than you have and we can [[experience]] a somewhat higher level of joy through our [[worship]] and [[prayer]].

This is something you have to look forward to, just as I have goals in my adventure that I look forward to. There is always something to reach for and there will always be inspiration at hand to help you achieve this.

This is something you have to look forward to, just as I have [[goals]] in my adventure that I look forward to. There is always something to reach for and there will always be [[inspiration]] at hand to help you [[achieve]] this.

QUESTION: I have never believed that childbirth should be painful. Why is the joy of giving birth associated with pain?

QUESTION: I have never [[believed]] that [[childbirth]] should be [[painful]]. Why is the [[joy]] of giving birth associated with pain?

TARKAS: I am not entirely free to discuss this subject in any depth, but I will say the miracle of childbirth on planets that are settled in light and life is much easier and much more joyful than on your troubled world. There is a legacy here as well which I will not endeavor to explain, but there are many aspects of your being which were influenced by the Lucifer rebellion. You will recall that these evil forces were in control for some 200,000 years. You realize how vast this time is in the context in which you see time. I can only say that this pain is part of your mortal lives at this stage of your development on Urantia.

TARKAS: I am not entirely [[free]] to discuss this subject in any depth, but I will say the [[miracle]] of [[childbirth]] on planets that are settled in [[light and life]] is much easier and much more joyful than on your troubled world. There is a [[legacy]] here as well which I will not endeavor to [[explain]], but there are many aspects of your [[being]] which were influenced by the [[Lucifer rebellion]]. You will recall that these [[evil]] forces were in [[control]] for some [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution 200,000 years]. You realize how vast this time is in the [[context]] in which you see time. I can only say that this [[pain]] is part of your mortal lives at this [[stage]] of your development on [[Urantia]].

I will add that, perhaps the pain and suffering, and the forbearance and courage that is required in childbirth can also make the joys and triumphs of achieving this miracle more joyful to you.

I will add that, perhaps the pain and suffering, and the [[forbearance]] and [[courage]] that is required in [[childbirth]] can also make the [[joys]] and [[triumphs]] of achieving this [[miracle]] more joyful to you.

HUMAN: (unintelligible question)

HUMAN: (unintelligible question)

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TARKAS: I would be most pleased to visit with you in Buffalo. I have been visiting here and there with groups in recent weeks and find the variety of experiences quite fascinating. It seems that no two groups progress in exactly the same way. The opportunities and challenges are somewhat different in each case. Just as you are all different and as we are all different on this side. In our differences we love and work with one another. This is as it should be.  

TARKAS: I would be most pleased to visit with you in Buffalo. I have been visiting here and there with groups in recent weeks and find the variety of experiences quite fascinating. It seems that no two groups progress in exactly the same way. The opportunities and challenges are somewhat different in each case. Just as you are all different and as we are all different on this side. In our differences we love and work with one another. This is as it should be.