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* 1 Dispassionate description or passionate persuasion?
* 2 License tagging for Image:Barnard telescope.jpg
**2.1 becoming an article
**2.2 rue-the-Bots
* 3 Daynal Institute Press
**3.1 Orphaned non-free media (Image:Press_logo.jpg)
**3.2 Orphaned non-free media (Image:Press logo.jpg)
**3.3 Discussion
***3.3.1 Talk:Timothy Wyllie
***3.3.2 Policy Review
***3.3.3 Policy Review
***4 Sockpuppetry case
==Dispassionate description or passionate persuasion?==
Dear Fellow Wikipedians,
Dear Fellow Wikipedians,
Rob
Rob
==License tagging for Image:Barnard telescope.jpg==
Daynal (talk) 02:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Thanks for uploading Image:Barnard telescope.jpg. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia. For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 12:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Daynal (talk) 02:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Thanks for uploading Image:Barnard telescope.jpg. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia. For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 12:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
===becoming an article===
After discovering Wikipedia featured only a sentence on Landon Garland, I did some initial research and composed the article as it exists at the moment. As I am not that familiar with all the technical requirements for an ideal Wikipedia article, I wanted to register my interest in eliciting any input that others might have.
After discovering Wikipedia featured only a sentence on Landon Garland, I did some initial research and composed the article as it exists at the moment. As I am not that familiar with all the technical requirements for an ideal Wikipedia article, I wanted to register my interest in eliciting any input that others might have.
Daynal (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Daynal (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
===rue-the-Bots===
After writing this article enclosed with a family portrait of this subject, I received what appeared to be an automated email from a 'bot' warning me against further 'vandalism' and inserting "unwelcome edits". Obviously, this entity read the draught of this article as worth retaining, but I am glad to have been disabused of the thought that human beings were editors at Wikipedia.
After writing this article enclosed with a family portrait of this subject, I received what appeared to be an automated email from a 'bot' warning me against further 'vandalism' and inserting "unwelcome edits". Obviously, this entity read the draught of this article as worth retaining, but I am glad to have been disabused of the thought that human beings were editors at Wikipedia.
Daynal (talk) 02:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Daynal (talk) 02:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
==Daynal Institute Press==
===Orphaned non-free media (Image:Press_logo.jpg)===
Thanks for uploading Image:Press_logo.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).
Thanks for uploading Image:Press_logo.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).
You have several options freely available to you:
You have several options freely available to you:
* If you can relieve my concern through discussing it here, I can stop worrying about it.
* If the two of us can't agree here, we can ask for help through Wikipedia's dispute resolution process, such as requesting comments from other Wikipedians. Wikipedia administrators usually abide by agreements reached through this process.
* You can keep your contributions history under a new username. Visit Wikipedia:Changing username and follow the guidelines there.
Thank you. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 14:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 14:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
This account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia, because of concerns that the chosen username may not meet our username policy.
This account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia, because of concerns that the chosen username may not meet our username policy.
This is often not a reflection on the user, and you are encouraged to choose a new account name which does meet our guidelines and are invited to contribute to Wikipedia under an appropriate username. If you feel this block was made in error, you may quickly and easily appeal it - see below.
Our username policy provides guidance on selecting your username. In brief, usernames should not be offensive, disruptive, promotional, related to a 'real-world' group or organization, confusing, or misleading.
Our username policy provides guidance on selecting your username. In brief, usernames should not be offensive, disruptive, promotional, related to a 'real-world' group or organization, confusing, or misleading.
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#Please note, you may only request a name that is not already in use. The account is created upon acceptance – do not try to create the new account before making the request for a name change since we can far easier allocate your new name to you, if it is not yet used. Usernames that have already been taken are listed here. For more information, please visit Wikipedia:Changing username.
Last, the automated software systems that prevent vandalism may have been activated, which can cause new account creation to be blocked also. If you have not acted in a deliberately inappropriate manner, please let us know if this happens, and we will deactivate the block as soon as possible. You may also appeal this username block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below or emailing the administrator who blocked you. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Last, the automated software systems that prevent vandalism may have been activated, which can cause new account creation to be blocked also. If you have not acted in a deliberately inappropriate manner, please let us know if this happens, and we will deactivate the block as soon as possible. You may also appeal this username block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below or emailing the administrator who blocked you. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 00:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 00:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
===Discussion===
Hi Daynal, Happy to discuss a new submission. Please be sure to read Wikipedia's policies on notability and verifiability, and then the best thing might be to start your new page at User:Daynal/sandbox. You can then move it into mainspace when ready. --AndrewHowse (talk) 12:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi Daynal, Happy to discuss a new submission. Please be sure to read Wikipedia's policies on notability and verifiability, and then the best thing might be to start your new page at User:Daynal/sandbox. You can then move it into mainspace when ready. --AndrewHowse (talk) 12:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Rob --Daynal (talk) 16:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Rob --Daynal (talk) 16:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
No problem. The best thing might be to put a note on my talk page with a link to the new article, when you're ready. No rush, of course. --AndrewHowse (talk) 16:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
==Talk:Timothy Wyllie==
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--Daynal (talk) 18:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
--Daynal (talk) 18:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Message: This account was blocked in accordance with the user name policy (see above). You were unblocked specifically to allow you to request a name change, which it does not appear that you have. However, you continued editing as a single-purpose account, interested only in those subjects which are directly connected to your publishing company, Daynal Institute Press. I will not be available to unblock you again today (I am leaving soon); you may address this with another administrator if you do not want to wait. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
FYI: Daynal's account was blocked in accordance with the user name policy (see block message on his page). He was unblocked specifically to allow him to request a name change, which it does not appear that he ever tried to do. However, he continued editing as a single-purpose account, interested only in those subjects which are directly connected to his publishing company, Daynal Institute Press. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
FYI: Daynal's account was blocked in accordance with the user name policy (see block message on his page). He was unblocked specifically to allow him to request a name change, which it does not appear that he ever tried to do. However, he continued editing as a single-purpose account, interested only in those subjects which are directly connected to his publishing company, Daynal Institute Press. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. I'll proceed cautiously, although I'm not ready to say he's an incorrigible spammer yet! --AndrewHowse (talk) 18:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. I'll proceed cautiously, although I'm not ready to say he's an incorrigible spammer yet! --AndrewHowse (talk) 18:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd suggest that you try to get unblocked for the sole purpose of changing your username, and make no other contributions under Daynal. I'd then suggest that you stay well away from any articles in which you might be perceived by others to have a conflict of interest; Daynal Institute, its Press, and its authors would all fit in that category. I realise that's not what I said earlier, but in the interim I've noticed that your email address is at a daynal domain. I don't know if you really have a conflict of interest, but that doesn't matter; it's enough that there appears to be a risk of such. If those topics are sufficiently notable, then other editors will eventually contribute articles on them. If there are no contributions, then that's a good sign that they are not sufficiently notable to be included here. --AndrewHowse (talk) 19:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I might have been wrong. --AndrewHowse (talk) 00:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I might have been wrong. --AndrewHowse (talk) 00:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
===Policy Review===
Behavior that is unacceptable Please note that some of the following are of sufficient importance to be official Wikipedia policy. Violations (and especially repeated violations) may lead to the offender being blocked or banned from editing Wikipedia.
* No personal attacks: A personal attack is saying something negative about another person. This mainly means:
o No insults: Do not make ad hominem attacks, such as calling someone an idiot, fascist (or incorrigible spammer). Instead, explain what is wrong with an edit and how to fix it.
Hello Anthony:
Hello Anthony:
re: I'd suggest that you try to get unblocked for the sole purpose of changing your username, and make no other contributions under Daynal. I'd then suggest that you stay well away from any articles in which you might be perceived by others to have a conflict of interest; Daynal Institute, its Press, and its authors would all fit in that category. I realise that's not what I said earlier, but in the interim I've noticed that your email address is at a daynal domain. I don't know if you really have a conflict of interest, but that doesn't matter; it's enough that there appears to be a risk of such. If those topics are sufficiently notable, then other editors will eventually contribute articles on them. If there are no contributions, then that's a good sign that they are not sufficiently notable to be included here. --AndrewHowse (talk) 19:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
re: I'd suggest that you try to get unblocked for the sole purpose of changing your username, and make no other contributions under Daynal. I'd then suggest that you stay well away from any articles in which you might be perceived by others to have a conflict of interest; Daynal Institute, its Press, and its authors would all fit in that category. I realise that's not what I said earlier, but in the interim I've noticed that your email address is at a daynal domain. I don't know if you really have a conflict of interest, but that doesn't matter; it's enough that there appears to be a risk of such. If those topics are sufficiently notable, then other editors will eventually contribute articles on them. If there are no contributions, then that's a good sign that they are not sufficiently notable to be included here. --AndrewHowse (talk) 19:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
===Policy Review===
Good practice Centralized discussion: Avoid posting the same thread in multiple forums. This fragments discussion of the idea, creating discussions in separate places with no interchange of ideas. This is rarely desirable, and leads to redundant effort where an idea that has already been adequately addressed has to be considered all over again. Instead, solicit discussion in only one location, either an existing talk page or a new project page, and if needed advertise that in other locations using a link. See also: meatball:ForestFire
Good practice Centralized discussion: Avoid posting the same thread in multiple forums. This fragments discussion of the idea, creating discussions in separate places with no interchange of ideas. This is rarely desirable, and leads to redundant effort where an idea that has already been adequately addressed has to be considered all over again. Instead, solicit discussion in only one location, either an existing talk page or a new project page, and if needed advertise that in other locations using a link. See also: meatball:ForestFire
If you find a fragmented discussion, it may be desirable to move all posts to one of the locations, removing them from the other locations and adding a link.
If you find a fragmented discussion, it may be desirable to move all posts to one of the locations, removing them from the other locations and adding a link.
* Be welcoming to newcomers: People new to Wikipedia may be unfamiliar with policy and conventions. Please do not bite the newcomers. If someone does something against custom, assume it was an unwitting mistake. Politely and gently point out their mistake, reference the relevant policy/guideline/help pages, and suggest a better approach.
Dear AndrewHowse:
Dear AndrewHowse:
--75.104.157.17 (talk) 18:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
--75.104.157.17 (talk) 18:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
==Sockpuppetry case==
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daynal for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Pastordavid (talk) 20:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daynal for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Pastordavid (talk) 20:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Pastordavid (talk) 20:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Pastordavid (talk) 20:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Evidence
*Evidence
User:Rldavisiv responded to a cluebot warning for blanking two articles by stating that he/she had started these articles. Article histories (here and here show that both articles were begun by indef-blocked user Daynal, who is using his/her talkpage for a WP:SOAPBOX of one sort or another. Pastordavid (talk) 20:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
User:Rldavisiv responded to a cluebot warning for blanking two articles by stating that he/she had started these articles. Article histories (here and here show that both articles were begun by indef-blocked user Daynal, who is using his/her talkpage for a WP:SOAPBOX of one sort or another. Pastordavid (talk) 20:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Comments
*Comments
I gave the original user the opportunity to rename his account by unblocking him per his unblock request. Instead of filing for a user name change, he continued editing articles that are directly connected to his publishing company, Daynal Institute Press. In all likelihood the user could have resumed his editing with minimal objection, but now it appears that, after my reblocking him for the aforementioned actions, he went ahead and created a new account for himself. I do not see it as typical sock behavior, as there is some transparency, but his philosophical disagreements with how we work, which are completely absent in his private correspondence with me, are here evident, and suggest that he may choose to operate under his own rules and disregard the community's agreed-upon policies and standards. I'm uncertain how to respond to him now, as I feel completely deceived. For now, I intend to make public any further email correspondence of his with me for the sake of transparency; he would do well to instead correspond with all Wikipedians within the same framework as the rest of us. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 21:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I gave the original user the opportunity to rename his account by unblocking him per his unblock request. Instead of filing for a user name change, he continued editing articles that are directly connected to his publishing company, Daynal Institute Press. In all likelihood the user could have resumed his editing with minimal objection, but now it appears that, after my reblocking him for the aforementioned actions, he went ahead and created a new account for himself. I do not see it as typical sock behavior, as there is some transparency, but his philosophical disagreements with how we work, which are completely absent in his private correspondence with me, are here evident, and suggest that he may choose to operate under his own rules and disregard the community's agreed-upon policies and standards. I'm uncertain how to respond to him now, as I feel completely deceived. For now, I intend to make public any further email correspondence of his with me for the sake of transparency; he would do well to instead correspond with all Wikipedians within the same framework as the rest of us. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 21:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
--75.104.157.17 (talk) 13:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
--75.104.157.17 (talk) 13:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Conclusions
*Conclusions
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for using multiple accounts to evade a block. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for using multiple accounts to evade a block. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.
It is proposed that this user talk page be deleted because of the following concern:
Soapboxy compilation of stuff on talk page of indef blocked user
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