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*TO special Session #9

*TO special Session #9

   

   

[Clarification sought from Monjoronson, April 1, 2010]

[[Clarification]] sought from Monjoronson, April 1, 2010]

   

   

Vicki:  Good morning, Monjoronson.  (Good morning.)  We requested this session today because of some content in our last session that we feel needs some clarification, before we publish the transcript.  I’m wondering if you would be willing to answer some additional questions for us, and maybe help us with this.

Vicki:  Good morning, Monjoronson.  (Good morning.)  We requested this session today because of some [[content]] in our last session that we feel needs some [[clarification]], before we publish the transcript.  I’m [[wondering]] if you would be willing to answer some additional questions for us, and maybe help us with this.

   

   

MONJORONSON:  I would be glad to.

MONJORONSON:  I would be glad to.

*Additional comments on disembodied spirits

*Additional comments on disembodied [[spirits]]

   

   

Vicki:  We are anticipating that there will be some reaction to the discussion of “disembodied spirits” and the struggles that some individuals go through, when they cross over.  It’s not something that to my knowledge, is addressed in the Urantia Book, so it is somewhat “new information,” and likely to be challenged.  Is this valid and did we transmit this correctly?

Vicki:  We are [[anticipating]] that there will be some reaction to the [[discussion]] of “disembodied spirits” and the struggles that some [[individuals]] go through, when they cross over.  It’s not something that to my [[knowledge]], is addressed in the [[Urantia Book]], so it is somewhat “new [[information]],” and likely to be challenged.  Is this valid and did we transmit this correctly?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  What the Urantia Book describes is a much-simplified addition of understanding of continuity of spiritual existence.  It was published with the intent of offering, very clear, very lucid, very understandable, unambiguous information to the reader, not knowing their level of sophistication.  Given the cultural maturity of your society, and your world experience, in the English language cultures, there is a paucity of information about spiritual existence.  It is far better to provide elementary instruction and information to newcomers to this area of thinking, rather than over-weighting them with complex concepts of existence of spirit.  The curious mind will, of course, devise questions and come to surmise certain situations, and ask questions about that.  It is important that the mind be curious.  As we said, it is too much to overload early and young minds with this information, too soon.  Does this help?

MONJORONSON:  What the [[Urantia Book]] describes is a much-simplified addition of [[understanding]] of [[continuity]] of [[spiritual]] [[existence]].  It was published with the [[intent]] of offering, very clear, very lucid, very understandable, unambiguous [[information]] to the [[reader]], not knowing their level of sophistication.  Given the cultural [[maturity]] of your [[society]], and your world [[experience]], in the [[English]] [[language]] [[cultures]], there is a paucity of information about [[spiritual]] [[existence]].  It is far better to provide elementary instruction and information to newcomers to this area of [[thinking]], rather than over-weighting them with [[complex]] [[concepts]] of [[existence]] of [[spirit]].  The [[curious]] [[mind]] will, of course, devise questions and come to surmise certain situations, and ask questions about that.  It is important that the mind be curious.  As we said, it is too much to overload early and young minds with this [[information]], too soon.  Does this help?

   

   

Vicki:  Yes, it does, and I do feel that there are many of us who are ready for an extended explanation in these areas or topics, and I being one, truly appreciate it.

Vicki:  Yes, it does, and I do feel that there are many of us who are ready for an extended explanation in these areas or [[topics]], and I being one, truly [[appreciate]] it.

*Infants and the Thought Adjuster

*Infants and the [[Thought Adjuster]]

   

   

Vicki:  Thank you.  We are told in the Urantia Book that the Thought Adjuster does not indwell until the first moral decision, which is approximately around the age of 5 or 6, and at that time, it is considered the birth of the soul.  Through the answers we received from you in our last session, they imply that the soul exists prior to this indwelling, and that the Thought Adjuster is “present” or “invested” in some capacity, with the mortal, prior to this indwelling.  Can you clarify this for us?

Vicki:  Thank you.  We are told in the [[Urantia Book]] that the [[Thought Adjuster]] does not indwell until the first [[moral]] [[decision]], which is approximately around the age of 5 or 6, and at that time, it is considered the [[birth]] of the [[soul]].  Through the answers we received from you in our last session, they imply that the [[soul]] exists prior to this indwelling, and that the Thought Adjuster is “present” or “invested” in some capacity, with the [[mortal]], prior to this indwelling.  Can you clarify this for us?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  Let us take the “soul” and the “Thought Adjuster” separately.  In the context of the individual who is the newborn, there is the “empty envelope” of the soul, waiting for the first moral decision to be made, and to begin its journey of becoming filled and fuller/ more full, with each passing decision of the individual.  The Thought Adjuster, as we discussed in the transcript earlier, exists and has been in training prior to the birth of the individual.  The Thought Adjuster is in “waiting” for the first moral decision by the individual.  It is a “Thought Adjuster in waiting,” so to speak, and that this is an inauguration, an event of investment, where the Thought Adjuster is now fully invested in the being of the child.  And I repeat that it has been “in waiting” for this decision to become known.  We hope you understand that the birth of a child does not mean that it is necessarily a viable, moral creature.  It could have mental disabilities; it could have deficiencies of any number of problems, that would not make it receptive for the reception of the Thought Adjuster, but the Thought Adjuster does not pre-guess this, and is in waiting for that first moral decision.  Does this help clarify?

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  Let us take the “[[soul]]” and the “[[Thought Adjuster]]” separately.  In the [[context]] of the [[individual]] who is the newborn, there is the “empty envelope” of the [[soul]], waiting for the first [[moral]] [[decision]] to be made, and to begin its [[journey]] of becoming filled and fuller/ more full, with each passing [[decision]] of the [[individual]].  The [[Thought Adjuster]], as we [[discussed]] in the transcript earlier, exists and has been in [[training]] prior to the [[birth]] of the [[individual]].  The Thought Adjuster is in “waiting” for the first moral decision by the [[individual]].  It is a “Thought Adjuster in waiting,” so to speak, and that this is an inauguration, an [[event]] of investment, where the [[Thought Adjuster]] is now fully invested in the [[being]] of the [[child]].  And I repeat that it has been “in waiting” for this decision to become known.  We hope you [[understand]] that the birth of a child does not mean that it is necessarily a viable, [[moral]] [[creature]].  It could have mental disabilities; it could have deficiencies of any number of problems, that would not make it receptive for the reception of the Thought Adjuster, but the Thought Adjuster does not pre-guess this, and is in waiting for that first moral decision.  Does this help clarify?

   

   

Vicki:  Yes, it does to a degree.  Let me think about this—so in your reference to seeing the “soul,” through the infant, what you are saying is we are seeing that “empty envelope,” is that correct?

Vicki:  Yes, it does to a [[degree]].  Let me think about this—so in your [[reference]] to seeing the “[[soul]],” through the infant, what you are saying is we are seeing that “empty envelope,” is that correct?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  What has failed to be evidently clear in the text, is that the soul does not spontaneously flash into existence at the first moral choice.  It has been there and waiting, much as the Thought Adjuster has been in waiting.

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  What has failed to be evidently clear in the [[text]], is that the [[soul]] does not [[spontaneously]] flash into [[existence]] at the first [[moral]] [[choice]].  It has been there and waiting, much as the [[Thought Adjuster]] has been in waiting.

   

   

Vicki:  Okay.  I think that clarifies it, at this point.  Is there anything else that you would like to add to this, to help us?

Vicki:  Okay.  I think that [[clarifies]] it, at this point.  Is there anything else that you would like to add to this, to help us?

   

   

Infants and the soul

*Infants and the [[soul]]

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, most certainly.  If readers and listeners to these conversations have questions, they should direct them to you, or to another responsible individual for correlation to formulate new questions.  I would be most glad to engage those questions.  Concerning children and the soul and the Thought Adjuster, I mentioned in passing that it is sometimes an eager parent or visitor [that] might be aware of the maturity of the soul of the infant, and what was not disclosed in that discussion was that the consciousness of the infant is an open portal to awareness of events and developments in the morontial and spiritual realm.  

MONJORONSON:  Yes, most certainly.  If [[readers]] and [[listeners]] to these [[conversations]] have questions, they should direct them to you, or to another [[responsible]] [[individual]] for correlation to formulate new questions.  I would be most glad to engage those questions.  Concerning [[children]] and the [[soul]] and the [[Thought Adjuster]], I mentioned in passing that it is sometimes an eager [[parent]] or visitor [that] might be aware of the [[maturity]] of the [[soul]] of the infant, and what was not disclosed in that [[discussion]] was that the [[consciousness]] of the infant is an open [[portal]] to awareness of [[events]] and [[developments]] in the [[morontial]] and [[spiritual]] realm.  

   

   

Consciousness is a “portal,”—do not forget this—that is why, when you enter into meditation, you surround yourself with the Father’s presence, that of the Holy Infinite Spirit and the Eternal Son, so that you condition your consciousness, so that as you are open, you have only the best that the universe can give you.  We are not saying that the universe is full of predatory dark spirits—quite the contrary—there is only the necessity of surrounding yourself in light, as you live.  This is something that we suggest you do throughout all your waking hours, and your sleeping hours as well.  The consciousness that you are a perfecting being, that you are in the process of becoming perfect, and that you are invested with the Holy presence of a fragment of the Creator.  Few of you hold this in your consciousness, and it is very helpful that you do so when you meditate, and so on.  

[[Consciousness]] is a “[[portal]],”—do not forget this—that is why, when you enter into [[meditation]], you surround yourself with [[the Father]]’s [[presence]], that of the Holy [[Infinite Spirit]] and the [[Eternal Son]], so that you condition your [[consciousness]], so that as you are open, you have only the best that the [[universe]] can give you.  We are not saying that the [[universe]] is full of predatory [[dark]] [[spirits]]—quite the contrary—there is only the [[necessity]] of surrounding yourself in [[light]], as you live.  This is something that we suggest you do throughout all your [[waking]] hours, and your [[sleeping]] hours as well.  The [[consciousness]] that you are a [[Progress|perfecting]] being, that you are in the [[process]] of becoming [[perfect]], and that you are invested with the Holy [[presence]] of a [[fragment]] of the [[Creator]].  Few of you hold this in your [[consciousness]], and it is very helpful that you do so when you meditate, and so on.  

   

   

Thus for the infant, who has not been enculturated and given the veils of your culture and your society, the mind is open and accessible to that from which they came.  This is also true in the elderly who are devout, and who believe in God, and who begin the slow process of dying, they also become transparent in their consciousness, and the veil of consciousness becomes thinner and thinner, as they approach the moment of death, so that they can cross through that veil, easily and consciously, which is for this new being in the morontial realm, very, very significant and enjoyable.

Thus for the infant, who has not been enculturated and given the veils of your [[culture]] and your [[society]], the mind is open and accessible to that from which they came.  This is also true in the elderly who are [[devout]], and who believe in [[God]], and who begin the slow [[process]] of dying, they also become [[transparent]] in their [[consciousness]], and the veil of consciousness becomes thinner and thinner, as they approach the [[moment]] of [[death]], so that they can cross through that veil, easily and [[consciously]], which is for this new [[being]] in the [[Mansion Worlds|morontial realm]], very, very significant and enjoyable.

   

   

Vicki:  And I would just like to thank you again, for being here with us today to clarify our concerns.  Your presence is greatly appreciated.

Vicki:  And I would just like to thank you again, for being here with us today to [[clarify]] our concerns.  Your [[presence]] is greatly [[appreciated]].

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