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Daniel: "That concludes our opening comments. We are open for [[questions]]."

Daniel: "That concludes our opening comments. We are open for [[questions]]."

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

PamElla: "Good evening Tomas and Daniel. Tomas I have no [[question]]. I just wanted to make a remark and thank you for that absolutely [[beautiful]] pulling together of [[truths]] that I have been discovering over probably the past four years, including the year prior to entering the [[Teaching Mission]]. This began with my realizing that my use of [[astrology]] was exactly what you are talking about. It was looking outside of myself to try and be [[prepared]]. I realized in the year of [[meditating]] that I was doing prior to coming upon the Teaching Mission that I needed to be turning inside. It was very [[difficult]] for me, even despite that, to give up my astrology books as a [[tool]] to [[understanding]] myself. But with the [[idea]] of [[ascension]] the [[theoretical]] basis of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology numerology] and astrology was destroyed. So what came next was trying to put together the idea of [[surrendering]], `letting go and letting God', [[learning]] what that meant and putting it into [[practice]]. I thank you, Daniel, and you, Tomas very much for the real [[transformation]] which has occurred in my [[life]] and for the [[trust]] that I do have in the [[First Source and Center]] most of the time; that God is, in fact, in charge, and [[the fruits]] I see in my life when I let go and let God be in charge instead of letting my [[fears]] be in charge. I guess that is all. I have a real heartfelt [[gratitude]].

PamElla: "Good evening Tomas and Daniel. Tomas I have no [[question]]. I just wanted to make a remark and thank you for that absolutely [[beautiful]] pulling together of [[truths]] that I have been discovering over probably the past four years, including the year prior to entering the [[Teaching Mission]]. This began with my realizing that my use of [[astrology]] was exactly what you are talking about. It was looking outside of myself to try and be [[prepared]]. I realized in the year of [[meditating]] that I was doing prior to coming upon the Teaching Mission that I needed to be turning inside. It was very [[difficult]] for me, even despite that, to give up my astrology books as a [[tool]] to [[understanding]] myself. But with the [[idea]] of [[ascension]] the [[theoretical]] basis of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology numerology] and astrology was destroyed. So what came next was trying to put together the idea of [[surrendering]], `letting go and letting God', [[learning]] what that meant and putting it into [[practice]]. I thank you, Daniel, and you, Tomas very much for the real [[transformation]] which has occurred in my [[life]] and for the [[trust]] that I do have in the [[First Source and Center]] most of the time; that God is, in fact, in charge, and [[the fruits]] I see in my life when I let go and let God be in charge instead of letting my [[fears]] be in charge. I guess that is all. I have a real heartfelt [[gratitude]].

It is amazing to me to realize how dramatically some of my [[belief]] [[structures]] have changed in such a really short time! Three years is not very long. And how [[traumatic]] it was at the time, but how simple in retrospect. Thank you."

It is amazing to me to realize how dramatically some of my [[belief]] [[structures]] have changed in such a really short time! Three years is not very long. And how [[traumatic]] it was at the time, but how simple in retrospect. Thank you."

Tomas: "Enjoy your evening."

Tomas: "Enjoy your evening."

Beverly: "Daniel and Tomas, this is Beverly. I wanted to especially thank Daniel for the [[private]] session I had and the [[guidance]] on [[tuning]] into my own teacher, [[becoming]] this [[seed]] for a new group in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page,_Arizona Page, Arizona]. I just wanted to thank you for all your help and I'll stop in and [[visit]] when I am back in the area."

Beverly: "Daniel and Tomas, this is Beverly. I wanted to especially thank Daniel for the [[private]] session I had and the [[guidance]] on [[tuning]] into my own teacher, [[becoming]] this [[seed]] for a new group in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page,_Arizona Page, Arizona]. I just wanted to thank you for all your help and I'll stop in and [[visit]] when I am back in the area."

Daniel: "We [[regret]] your leaving yet we look forward to the [[opportunity]] it provides. Know that you will not be [[alone]] for I will be checking with you and I am sure my [[colleague]] Tomas will be on occasion and there will be a myriad of others with you. You will not be alone. At those [[moments]] when you feel you are alone we [[encourage]] you to pause for a moment, open yourself to the [[sensitivity]] that will be provided and you will feel our [[presence]], some one of us who will be with you. Know that you will not be alone.

Daniel: "We [[regret]] your leaving yet we look forward to the [[opportunity]] it provides. Know that you will not be [[alone]] for I will be checking with you and I am sure my [[colleague]] Tomas will be on occasion and there will be a myriad of others with you. You will not be alone. At those [[moments]] when you feel you are alone we [[encourage]] you to pause for a moment, open yourself to the [[sensitivity]] that will be provided and you will feel our [[presence]], some one of us who will be with you. Know that you will not be alone.

I know it may seem to you that I have gone around the bush in my [[answer]] and if this is the case I apologize. However, be [[assured]] that your life is very real and what you do in all the things you do in all the [[relationships]] you have are the most important things in [[the universe]]. These are the things that have [[survival]] value. Has this been of any help to you?"

I know it may seem to you that I have gone around the bush in my [[answer]] and if this is the case I apologize. However, be [[assured]] that your life is very real and what you do in all the things you do in all the [[relationships]] you have are the most important things in [[the universe]]. These are the things that have [[survival]] value. Has this been of any help to you?"

Rutha: "Yes, thank you Tomas. You know fully well that I am very [[understanding]] of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_psychology behavioral psychology] of all this. But the real thrust of my question has to do with, 'what is the [[value]] of having these confrontations? Does it serve some value? Are we [[learning]] from them?"

Rutha: "Yes, thank you Tomas. You know fully well that I am very [[understanding]] of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_psychology behavioral psychology] of all this. But the real thrust of my question has to do with, 'what is the [[value]] of having these confrontations? Does it serve some value? Are we [[learning]] from them?"

Tomas: "If the [[confrontations]] seem to be the same old thing, as you say, and there is no [[progress]] then it is time to re-examine the situation and to see or attempt to see from a different [[perspective]]. I am not saying that all [[conflict]] is a positive [[growth]] producing [[experience]] because that is not true, that is [[error]]. Some conflict, and especially inner conflict is not growth producing. But if from the conflict there comes a new [[understanding]] to parties involved this may be the result of doing something different to alter the [[interactions]]. If you see this conflict as [[repetitive]] and not progressing my advice is to look at it from a different [[perspective]]. This may require outside [[assistance]] at times."

Tomas: "If the [[confrontations]] seem to be the same old thing, as you say, and there is no [[progress]] then it is time to re-examine the situation and to see or attempt to see from a different [[perspective]]. I am not saying that all [[conflict]] is a positive [[growth]] producing [[experience]] because that is not true, that is [[error]]. Some conflict, and especially inner conflict is not growth producing. But if from the conflict there comes a new [[understanding]] to parties involved this may be the result of doing something different to alter the [[interactions]]. If you see this conflict as [[repetitive]] and not progressing my advice is to look at it from a different [[perspective]]. This may require outside [[assistance]] at times."

Tomas: "Often in [[relationships]] which you are alluding to there is unintended [[hurt]]. Because, as you say, the hurt was not intended, [[experiencing]] the other person's [[anger]] and whatever causes hurt in return. It is at such times that one needs to use words of straight forward [[statement]] to the effect that, 'it was not my [[intention]] to hurt you by saying or doing this'. And if the other person does not believe what you say when you stated it, you are powerless to convince them otherwise at that point.

Tomas: "Often in [[relationships]] which you are alluding to there is unintended [[hurt]]. Because, as you say, the hurt was not intended, [[experiencing]] the other person's [[anger]] and whatever causes hurt in return. It is at such times that one needs to use words of straight forward [[statement]] to the effect that, 'it was not my [[intention]] to hurt you by saying or doing this'. And if the other person does not believe what you say when you stated it, you are powerless to convince them otherwise at that point.

One of the [[problems]] with [[confrontation]] is it generally occurs when there is the [[physiological]] arousal of the [[body]] by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenalin adrenalin] which causes you by virtue of your [[animal nature]] to go into a fight or flight pattern. You know this. And many things can be said which are analogous to throwing spears at each other with words than true [[conversation]]. There is much [[wisdom]] in not discussing issues when people are confronting each other in [[anger]]. If we are talking about a child/parent [[interaction]] you as the [[parent]] are the one who has the seniority of experience and therefor are [[responsible]] to refuse to discuss or perpetuate this [[conflict]] when the two of you may be in this physiologically aroused state. At a later time when [[emotions]] are calm and the time is right the issue can perhaps be brought up in a way that is more [[effective]]. The bottom line is, and this is a hard one to understand, we as [[moral]] [[beings]], [[mortal]], [[morontial]], or [[spiritual]] beings cannot [[force]] another person to do something against their will; and we should not try. There is that dividing line, that boundary. Has this been helpful?"

One of the [[problems]] with [[confrontation]] is it generally occurs when there is the [[physiological]] arousal of the [[body]] by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenalin adrenalin] which causes you by virtue of your [[animal nature]] to go into a fight or flight pattern. You know this. And many things can be said which are analogous to throwing spears at each other with words than true [[conversation]]. There is much [[wisdom]] in not discussing issues when people are confronting each other in [[anger]]. If we are talking about a child/parent [[interaction]] you as the [[parent]] are the one who has the seniority of experience and therefor are [[responsible]] to refuse to discuss or perpetuate this [[conflict]] when the two of you may be in this physiologically aroused state. At a later time when [[emotions]] are calm and the time is right the issue can perhaps be brought up in a way that is more [[effective]]. The bottom line is, and this is a hard one to understand, we as [[moral]] [[beings]], [[mortal]], [[morontial]], or [[spiritual]] beings cannot [[force]] another person to do something against their will; and we should not try. There is that dividing line, that boundary. Has this been helpful?"

Rutha: "Thank you Tomas. I know this has been a real [[struggle]] and I am sure especially for the [[TR]] not being used to Tomas' ways and everything. I appreciate that.

Rutha: "Thank you Tomas. I know this has been a real [[struggle]] and I am sure especially for the [[TR]] not being used to Tomas' ways and everything. I appreciate that.