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==Heading==
===Topic: '''''First Mansion World Problems'''''===
===Topic: '''''First Mansion World Problems'''''===
===Group: [[At Large|Advance Corps]]===
===Group: [[At Large]]===
==Facilitators==
==Facilitators==
===Teacher: [[0802-AB-Jack]]===
===Teacher: [[0802-AB-Jack]]===
===TR: [[Gerdean]]===
===Contact Personality: [[Alan]]===
==Session==
==Session 1==
===Dialogue===
===Dialogue===
Tom: Fine.
Tom: Fine.
JACK: Well it would be very difficult for me to talk about that in a blanket — I can address the subject as far as you personally are concerned.
JACK: Well it would be very difficult for me to talk about that in a blanket — I can address the subject as far as you personally are concerned.
==Session 2==
July 29, 1983
===Dialogue===
Karen: ….. what the prognosis is.
Tom: I feel this is a subject for Doc. I don't know if—
JACK: I'll tackle it.
Tom: Okay. Great.
JACK: Well, the status? Pitiful. Prognosis? Slow.
The State of New Mexico, the general New Mexico area is still suffering under two major burdens. One, the Catholic church; and Two, distance. Included in that subject of wide, open distances is the spirit of independence; the spirit of frontiersman-ship, so it's difficult. Difficult to bring about anything cohesive. At this point you just have to go along with what you've got.
Karen: Well, good. It's nice to know we're not totally at fault. Those are things that we've observed. That I've observed. It's not really a society-oriented State. It is very independent.
JACK: I'm surprised - politically, being as independent as they are, that they vote Democratic as often as they do.
Karen: They're followers, because I think of the Catholic church. It's the same comfort in numbers. But to stand out and follow a revelation, going against those two aspects...
JACK: You have a lot of very, very independent spirits here. Independent souls. A lot of frontiersman-ship. This is the frontier. And people who live outside the metropolitan areas lead a rather rugged life, a very independent life and they are not followers, not joiners, and they're not concerned with your spiritual welfare.
Karen: They're not church-goers either, particularly.
JACK: They're not concerned with your spiritual welfare. So it's going to take time. If you maintain what you've got, with all its paucity—
Karen: I think we've got a pretty firm foothold with all the paucity and from my vantage point I see the prognosis isn't bad. It could be a lot worse.
JACK: I have a few suggestions. You might want to urge Chicago to politically keep you on Route 66. In other words, as a nice little way-station. If you develop a way-station attitude—
Karen: An outpost.
JACK: Exactly. Here's a good place to get the information for what happens in the West. Out here in the desert. This is a good oasis. Stop here for a night and make contact. That kind of a thing. If you could start that kind of thing you would have a lot more input from around the world. And it's going to take more than Edith to do that.
Karen: I would think so. Now, Virginia does act in that capacity quite a bit. She has a pretty active hostel up there [in Santa Fe].
JACK: Yes, you have to keep that kind of thing going so that you can— you know, this is the kind of thing that Jesus did. He went right down to the crossroad where the caravans came into town, right?
Karen: Yeah.
JACK: This is where the camels were being watered. This is where the donkeys were being unloaded. This is where the hay—the people were feeding their beasts of burden, wiping the dust from their brow and trying to get their supplies, clean up a little bit and he was there to talk to those people; he learned what was going on around the world that way. He learned about his fellowman. Now if you could help to get that kind of thing going here in Albuquerque for your fellow sojourners, your fellow Urantians, they're coming and going all the time.
Karen: It would open up a lot of avenues.
JACK: It's still Route 66, you know, and they're coming and going all the time and Albuquerque is a natural stop-over. It always has been and it always will be, but they've got to know about you. They've got to know that this is a place to stop.
Karen: That we're friendly.
JACK: Yes. And you can learn about people; you can learn more about them, about the movement, and this will stimulate your group. There was an inquiry, Alan received an inquiry that was sent from Washington for your newsletter called The Golden Age. This was the first newsletter you put out. You've since changed the name and that's all right. I bring this up to let you know that somebody from another state has suddenly become aware of the original newsletter and asked to be put on the mailing list. That's something to follow through with. Don't put these burdens on Ethyl; she's going to crack. Especially when she's carrying the burden of the saint.
Tom: What do we do? Just give them our name and addresses and say, if you're in the area stop by or call to meet some fellow Urantians?
JACK: Exactly. Do it in your next newsletter. Be sure this newsletter gets mailed out to key people in key states. You've got access to all of those names in all of those areas and be sure that Chicago gets your newsletter, and send it also to the groups listed in those original groups, those people, those groups, those cities that turned in their names. You've got the money in the bank. Pay for the extra postage and the extra copies and send them, and make it the theme of the next newsletter exactly this. And there's your public outreach. Let them know, on your next visit stop into Albuquerque, as you suggested Tom. That these people here would be happy to pick you up at the airport
or at the train station or the bus station or at the camel dump. And you know, we have a bed, we have a couch, we have a pull-down we have a sleeping bag.
Karen: We're right across the street from a motel.
JACK: Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
Karen: Sure do. Sure do. Very good ideas.
Tom: It's brotherly.
Karen: And we haven't talked about the newsletter in a long time either, so it was nice of Jack to remind us.
JACK: A responsibility. You have a perfect avenue to make outreach with your fellow sojourners, your fellow man. Just because someone has found the Urantia Book doesn't mean they have found Nirvana, that they have resolved their personal problems. They may be going through an intellectual struggle just digesting the verbiage, the words, the sentence structure or the paragraph structure in the Urantia Book. But you know all of that is well and good, all of that will be taken care of in time; what these people need is the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man. 2,000 pages later, when all is said and done.
Karen: We are a little slow here.
JACK: Well I'm glad you're positive about my suggestion here.
Tom: An excellent suggestion.
JACK: In case Tom doesn't know, the monies that were sent in for the Golden Age...
Tom: Yeah, I know.
JACK: So your local Urantia group has a lot of money in the bank. Over $100. Not $200.
Karen: Do you have a suggestion as to our next theme in addition to this outpost, coming and going, we want to be friendly?
JACK: You might want to include brotherhood.
Tom: Stop by and see us.
JACK: People, a lot of people, still think that New Mexico is South of the border, who don't understand — you may find that hard to believe especially people who read the UB, now there is a state called New Mexico and there are actual people living there besides the Indians and Mexicans, so when they think in terms of this area they really think of Indians, Indian blankets, peace pipes and turquoise jewelry.
It still has a wonderment and fascination to it and it overwhelms them a little bit; to a certain extent they're threatened by it and they, too, have built a certain thought in their minds as to what you would be like so let them know you're friendly. Send it out to them, to all of them, that you welcome them, that you eagerly welcome them when they pass through. Why don't you work on that one. (Reference to Colorado Urantians.) You as Urantians are not viable (to Colorado). There's your big problem. You can be as controversial as you wish to be. You aren't viable.
Tom: What do you mean? Accessible? Or...?
JACK: You're the ones who are going to have to make the effort to let 48 mainland states know that you are part of the United States. We're alive and well in Albuquerque.
Tom: We have a saint. We have a prophet.
JACK: Any questions? Target date should be established. (Discussion on "Your Harvest Issue.")
Tom: Is there a visitor?
JACK: Doc is here.
Karen: Which Doc is that?
DOC: How are you this evening, Karen? Tom?
Karen: Pretty good, thanks.
Tom: Great.
DOC: I'm happy to hear that. Do you have any questions?
Tom: Karen?
Karen: I wish I did. I heard you guys have had lots and lots and lots of dialog and insights. I'm not necessarily interested in having my brain picked but I always enjoyed things that have to do with psychiatry and psychology and the mind and the aberrations of the mind, genesis of the mind, but I don't have any prepared questions.
DOC: Well, primarily we've been discussing, in AA vernacular, character defects. I don't particularly like that term, but we've been discussing the origins and manifestations of selfishness and self-centeredness and how it — from my choice of presentation — they're a rather root to all the other problems; the rather root excuse of lust, abject selfishness. But when I discuss these things I don't discuss them in terms of clinical aberrations. I like to discuss them in terms of generalities. I'm not dealing with clinically disturbed people. If I were it would be impossible to do it in this kind of environment, through this channel, so we're not dealing with that. We are dealing with some very subtle manifestations with the humanoid.
Sometimes society's subtle manifestations can be very destructive. But generally that's what we've been discussing. It's a big bag.
Karen: Lust? Selfishness? Self-centeredness?
DOC: The conflicts they create. I make the comment that lust has probably killed almost as many people as religion has. It's been the root cause of many wars and fights as religion.
Karen: And the Urantia Book does mention that the sex urge uncurtailed can cause fierce havoc and damage and it lays on very thick overtones as to what can come about as a result of that. But I appreciate also what you're saying about religion as well, how when the church is crammed down your throat, when dogma has aberrated your thinking. That is dangerous to the spirit as well.
DOC: Any questions, please? Well let me ask a few questions. In terms of human relations, how do we feel tonight? Karen, how do you feel in terms of human relations tonight?
Karen: Well I feel, on the whole, very good about my relationships with everybody. I'm not having any problem with anybody unless it might be with my sister. And she might be having a problem of her own and not feeling much at peace with herself so that might have something to do with it. She's a very difficult girl to get along with. So all my local relationships I find in good standing. And of course I'm on holiday so a lot of my relationships are temporarily curtailed, a nice respite. I'm very pleased, actually, with the way the universe is presenting personalities to me and the way we're getting along.
DOC: Do you feel that you're growing in insight?
Karen: Yes, I feel that I am because I don't feel nagged. I don't feel complacent. I'm not having any of those conflicts that I'm prone to have when I'm not growing so I know I'm growing. Now whether I'm growing specifically in insight I don't know. I haven't thought about that. I would imagine a person is going to grow in insight if they experience new experiences even with the same people. Learning to love somebody involves insight into who they are and where their values are, their interests, their needs. I suppose I am growing in insight.
DOC: Tom?
Tom: I feel that I am growing in insight in myself and through that I can understand other people because I'm learning to deal with my prejudices and I see why I have a specific thing against this type of people or group or certain area....
DOC: The "beaners?"
Tom: Yeah. The "beaners." Women. Things like that. But I'm learning a lot. Especially in the area of women. I think I'm growing in that area. I'm coming out of my infancy in that area because my thing about women is based on prejudice and probably resentment, shit like that. I still have a lot of work to do but I 'm at peace. I'm peaceful inside around people. I don't show any phonyness or I try to appear as real as possible as what I am and I really like that. I like who I am and because of that I like them. I guess I'm starting to cut the act. I'm trying.
DOC: We discussed one time that perhaps the best possible way to deal with certain conflicts is not a matter of ignoring those conflicts but by being able to — the AA principle of helping another person is not exclusive to AA or new to AA — it's the very foundation of Jesus' life, that he demonstrated, and that is to be of service and many times just the act of being of service (the ultimate of service, of course, is doing God's will) automatically takes care of the conflicts or whatever paucity may be stirring at the surface level of awareness, causing the problem — lack of self-esteem, things like that. So sometimes just going about your daily life and making every effort possible to maintain your sense of service ministry and to do God's will just takes care of all this. We talked also about the necessity of restructuring through behavior modification, discipline the sub-conscious mind. This is another way of controlling your immediate environment, your immediate environment is... Karen?
Karen: Your home.
DOC: No. Your ....
Karen: Oh. Your relationship with your Thought Adjuster.
DOC: Your body. Your immediate environment is your body. The next most important extenuation of that is whatever physical environment you might be in. Now this is accomplished through — we discussed this at great length, so this is a bit of a review for Tim and Alan — but we discussed at great length how you cannot allow your subconscious mind to reason, to control your life. This is where (because it lacks reason) it throws people into mental and emotional chaos and all these things, because emotions being a sensation, a feeling, the sense of feeling are controlled by the subconscious mind. All these things are under the general area of automatic response, mechanisms, these things. So I have suggested that a good way to start would be something Alan had talked about a long time ago and that was when he clued off and he said, well, what I'm going to do is tell my subconscious mind:
"I'm going to go to sleep. You may play all you want all night long but when we get up in the morning I'm going to be in charge. You've had your fun. You're going to come back out of the sandbox and you're going to do what you're told to do and we're going to go on about our day."
And we worked with this for awhile and then Tom said, "I'm not even going to allow my subconscious mind that time. Because if it's true that if the Thought Adjuster works on our mind while we are asleep, or our seraphim minister to us while we're at rest, while we're sleeping, that the Thought Adjuster, if he's self-acting, can leave at that time of rest, then it's not well to have the subconscious mind ————
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