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===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

Tommas: I've been racking my brain all week, and I’ve been going back through the notes and all I seem to have done is re-discovered answers to past queries, I don't seem to have come up with anything; fresh.

Tommas: I've been racking my [[brain]] all week, and I’ve been going back through the notes and all I seem to have done is re-[[discovered]] answers to past [[queries]], I don't seem to have come up with anything; fresh.

Teacher: Yes. Do not concern.

Teacher: Yes. Do not concern.

"It’s a . . . little bit frustrating.

"It’s a . . . little bit [[frustrating]].

Teacher: I am aware.

Teacher: I am [[aware]].

"I have one small query that's just come to mind, when we pray, are our prayers always received?

"I have one small query that's just come to [[mind]], when we pray, are our prayers always [[received]]?

Teacher: But of course,

Teacher: But of course,

" But not always acted on?

" But not always [[acted]] on?

Teacher: Not in the manner you may expect

Teacher: Not in the [[manner]] you may [[expect]]

"But never wasted

"But never [[wasted]]

Teacher: Correct. What is prayer?

Teacher: Correct. What is [[prayer]]?

"Thought.

"[[Thought]].

Teacher: Correct, prayer is usual of positive, correct? Sending a prayer, a meditative thought is sent to the collective consciousness, you see, most persons when in prayer specifically request for themselves or a person known to them, yes? When the prayer is received in the collective consciousness it may be delivered to a person unknown to you, you are understanding?

Teacher: Correct, [[prayer]] is usual of [[positive]], correct? Sending a prayer, a [[meditative]] thought is sent to the [[collective]] [[consciousness]], you see, most [[persons]] when in prayer specifically request for themselves or a [[person]] known to them, yes? When the [[prayer]] is [[received]] in the collective consciousness it may be delivered to a [[person]] [[unknown]] to you, you are [[understanding]]?

"Would it be to somebody who perhaps needs it more than the person you are praying for?

"Would it be to somebody who perhaps needs it more than the [[person]] you are [[praying]] for?

Teacher: It is a possibility. The collective consciousness is for the common good of humankind.

Teacher: It is a [[possibility]]. The [[collective consciousness]] is for the common [[good]] of [[humankind]].

"Yes, I normally pray for people close to me first, and then friends, and then people in general, and then myself on the end.

"Yes, I [[normally]] [[pray]] for people close to me first, and then [[friends]], and then people in general, and then myself on the end.

Teacher: Yes, but you see, it is as this. It is received into the collective consciousness, the direct benefit maybe for a person unknown to yourself, but you also receive as a "fall out" from the collective consciousness.

Teacher: Yes, but you see, it is as this. It is [[received]] into the [[collective consciousness]], the direct benefit maybe for a [[person]] [[unknown]] to yourself, but you also [[receive]] as a "fall out" from the collective consciousness.

"Is there one collective consciousness or groups of collective consciousness?

"Is there one collective consciousness or groups of collective consciousness?

Teacher: There are groups of, but I refer to THE ONE collective consciousness to which all belong. To which all are connected, in other words, GOD.

Teacher: There are [[groups]] of, but I refer to THE ONE collective consciousness to which all belong. To which all are connected, in other words, [[GOD]].

"I realise a little bit more, the importance of thought, in just those few words.

"I realise a little bit more, the importance of [[thought]], in just those few [[words]].

Teacher: Yes, and as I have said, you may receive an answer not in the manner you had expected. Yes.

Teacher: Yes, and as I have said, you may [[receive]] an answer not in the [[manner]] you had [[expected]]. Yes.

 

Tommas: There was a programme on Television the other day we recorded it, I haven’t watched it yet, "The Sword of Islam" and it's about Moslems, and their idea is to convert the world to their belief, and kill, and die in the attempt doing it.

Tommas: There was a programme on Television the other day we recorded it, I haven’t watched it yet, "[http://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/13/movies/tv-review-sword-of-islam-on-13.html The Sword of Islam]" and it's about [[Moslems]], and their [[idea]] is to [[convert]] the world to their [[belief]], and kill, and die in the attempt doing it.

Teacher: Yes, yes...

Teacher: Yes, yes...

"They seem to have basically good ideas, but are going about it totally the wrong way.

"They seem to have basically [[good]] [[ideas]], but are going about it totally the wrong way.

Teacher: Yes, as with all, the origins are forgotten, in their zeal for changes they become aggressive. As I have said these persons use the name of God to excuse their inhumanity.

Teacher: Yes, as with all, the [[origins]] are forgotten, in their [[zeal]] for changes they become [[aggressive]]. As I have said these [[persons]] use the name of [[God]] to excuse their inhumanity.

"It makes you wonder what you can do about fanatics, like that, who are quite prepared to....

"It makes you [[wonder]] what you can do about [[fanatics]], like that, who are quite prepared to....

Teacher: Then arm yourself with the simplicity of the PURENESS OF THE LOVE WHICH IS GOD, IN TRUTH, and if all persons do this, is shall be a more mighty weapon than that which they use.

Teacher: Then arm yourself with the [[simplicity]] of the PURENESS OF THE [[LOVE]] WHICH IS [[GOD]], IN [[TRUTH]], and if all [[persons]] do this, is shall be a more mighty [[weapon]] than that which they use.

"Back to grains of sand.

"Back to grains of sand.

Teacher: Of course. From the light, comes growth, from the dark of aggression comes destruction, but you see their fervour is of a physical nature. This manner of doing and being in the likeness of love which is God is of a more gentle, subtle manner, I have said, arm yourselves, perhaps become more fervent yourselves, not in an aggressive, physical manner,

Teacher: Of course. From the [[light]], comes [[growth]], from the [[dark]] of [[aggression]] comes destruction, but you see their fervour is of a [[physical]] [[nature]]. This [[manner]] of doing and being in the likeness of [[love]] which is [[God]] is of a more [[gentle]], [[subtle]] [[manner]], I have said, arm yourselves, perhaps become more fervent yourselves, not in an [[aggressive]], [[physical]] [[manner]],

"These people spend a lot of time in prayer.

"These people spend a lot of time in [[prayer]].

Teacher: Thought, remember prayer, meditative thought. You shall understand the strength which they are using. It is true they are in. prayer more hours than is common for others, therefore the energy of their power of thought, yes, but you see like will inhibit so those of a non aggressiveness should arm themselves with this power of prayer thoughts, yes? And there are many many numbers of these persons of Islam which the prophet Mohammed never intended for aggressive behaviour, yes.

Teacher: [[Thought]], remember prayer, [[meditative]] [[thought]]. You shall [[understand]] the [[strength]] which they are using. It is true they are in. [[prayer]] more hours than is common for others, therefore the [[energy]] of their [[power]] of [[thought]], yes, but you see like will inhibit so those of a non [[aggressiveness]] should arm themselves with this [[power]] of [[prayer]] [[thoughts]], yes? And there are many many [[numbers]] of these persons of [[Islam]] which the [[prophet]] [[Mohammed]] never intended for [[aggressive]] [[behaviour]], yes.

"They misunderstood his words as well.

"They misunderstood his [[words]] as well.

Teacher: They, by choice, have misunderstood, yes. In the beginning they did not misunderstand and great benefit came from the words he spoke. Those who have put themselves at the head of the Islamic Laws do wrong by human kind,

Teacher: They, by [[choice]], have misunderstood, yes. In the beginning they did not misunderstand and great benefit came from the [[words]] he [[spoke]]. Those who have put themselves at the head of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_law Islamic Laws] do wrong by [[human]] kind,

PettaWill there be an end to it all, or will they just go on until they annihilate each other

Petta Will there be an end to it all, or will they just go on until they [[annihilate]] each other

Teacher: I shall not say yeah or nay, you have the power to change or not the choice belongs to the rest of humankind. It is not good to fight with the fighting equipment they use. Use the method I have suggested, is the only manner.

Teacher: I shall not say yeah or nay, you have the power to [[change]] or not the [[choice]] belongs to the rest of [[humankind]]. It is not good to fight with the fighting equipment they use. Use the [[method]] I have suggested, is the only [[manner]].

MeldaI've just been reading about the, I don't quite know how you say it, the Rishi, in India, and apparently they have the power to change a negative situation that is dangerous to a positive situation, is this the same thing

Melda I've just been [[reading]] about the, I don't quite know how you say it, the [[Rishi]], in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_India India], and apparently they have the [[power]] to [[change]] a [[negative]] situation that is dangerous to a [[positive]] situation, is this the same thing

Teacher: Correct.

Teacher: Correct.

Filip One of the people on that programme, the way he spoke, if we could speak to him, he would see it was not the western way that is the opposition, it's the same path really as we know and as they know, but he doesn’t understand that, he thinks the west, or the western influence, but they are the same basis, the God basis, can't remember exactly what he said then, but I thought when he said it, if I could talk to this guy...

Filip One of the people on that programme, the way he [[spoke]], if we could speak to him, he would see it was not the western way that is the [[opposition]], it's the same [[path]] really as we know and as they know, but he doesn’t [[understand]] that, he thinks [[the west]], or the western [[influence]], but they are the same basis, the [[God]] basis, can't remember exactly what he said then, but I thought when he said it, if I could talk to this guy...

SelinaArid make him understand.

Selina Arid make him understand.

Filip Yes, he would see that we are the

Filip Yes, he would see that we are the

And these persons who are brethren of all [[humankind]], who came from the [[seed]] of my son, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael Ishmael], have not learnt, DO NOT SACRIFICE. He was cast aside with his [[Mother]], [[sacrificed]] by myself, for the sake of my first born son. I did not [[understand]], I beg [[humankind]] to [[understand]]. Therein lies the [[root]] of [[difficulties]] which exist still with the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs Arab] & the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews Jew] and the rest of [[humankind]].

 

And these persons who are brethren of all humankind, who came from the seed of my son, Ishmael, have not learnt, DO NOT SACRIFICE. He was cast aside with his Mother, sacrificed by myself, for the sake of my first born son. I did not understand, I beg humankind to understand. Therein lies the root of difficulties which exist still with the Arab & the Jew and the rest of humankind.

 

IT IS NOT GOD’S WISH.

DO NOT SAY IT IS NOT GOD’S WISH.

and brings that which you are witnessing, yes.

and brings that which you are [[witnessing]], yes.

FilipMy thought is, there are 10 – l5 of us who know this here, it’s not enough.,

Filip My [[thought]] is, there are 10 – l5 of us who know this here, it’s not enough.,

Teacher: There are others. The work of teaching as you must be aware,is a slow process.

Teacher: There are others. The work of teaching as you must be [[aware]],is a slow [[process]].

Tommas: Yes, we were working out earlier, there is possibly 50 to 60 people who have come into contact with just our little group, they have not all stayed, but they have all become aware, and when you look at it that way, it's quite a few,

Tommas: Yes, we were working out earlier, there is possibly 50 to 60 people who have come into [[contact]] with just our little [[group]], they have not all stayed, but they have all become [[aware]], and when you look at it that way, it's quite a few,

Teacher: And how many....

Teacher: And how many....

Tommas: have they told.

Tommas: have they told.

Teacher: Correct, and they, and on, it is as the ripples in a pond. You may appear to be a small number, but there are many such as you. Many others I teach. And there is One who intends to do much. Give him the power of your thought for the courage to do that, which he must do. You may be unknown to him, and him to you. But his name shall be familiar

Teacher: Correct, and they, and on, it is as the ripples in a pond. You may [[appear]] to be a small [[number]], but there are many such as you. Many others I teach. And there is One who [[intends]] to do much. Give him the [[power]] of your [[thought]] for the courage to do that, which he must do. You may be [[unknown]] to him, and him to you. But his name shall be familiar

ISHMAEL

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael ISHMAEL]

whether it be in this physical journey or another it is for his choice. But each may do much. So, you worry, you have no query.

whether it be in this [[physical]] [[journey]] or another it is for his [[choice]]. But each may do much. So, you [[worry]], you have no query.

From a small seed much has grown. A demonstration for you, you do not need lengthy, complicated queries.

From a small [[seed]] much has grown. A [[demonstration]] for you, you do not need lengthy, complicated [[queries]].

Tommas: Yes, I think that is what you tend to look for.

Tommas: Yes, I [[think]] that is what you tend to look for.

Teacher: Yourself is query enough. Query yourself, your thoughts, your feelings, your actions, your understanding. And from a seeming small thought of prayer, yes.

Teacher: Yourself is query enough. Query yourself, your [[thoughts]], your [[feelings]], your [[actions]], your [[understanding]]. And from a seeming small [[thought]] of [[prayer]], yes.

FilipI didn’t come up with a query, but I began thinking about evil thoughts, what makes you think evil thoughts bad thoughts, and I didn’t reach any conclusion on that. Why do you think these nasty things, the Bible or religions teach us that it's the devil or Satan that puts these thoughts into your head, but all these teachings have never mentioned the black side, the devil or Satan or whatever.

Filip I didn’t come up with a [[query]], but I began [[thinking]] about [[evil]] [[thoughts]], what makes you think evil thoughts bad thoughts, and I didn’t reach any [[conclusion]] on that. Why do you think these nasty things, the [[Bible]] or [[religions]] teach us that it's the [[devil]] or [[Satan]] that puts these [[thoughts]] into your head, but all these teachings have never mentioned the black side, the [[devil]] or [[Satan]] or whatever.

Teacher: There is no such entity, except within yourself.

Teacher: There is no such [[entity]], except within yourself.

"Yes, that's what I thought, now is it your own free will, that thinks these bad thoughts

"Yes, that's what I [[thought]], now is it your own [[free will]], that thinks these bad thoughts

Teacher: It is the two sides of the coin.

Teacher: It is the two sides of the coin.

Tommas: The bad thought is a reaction to something, isn't it. If somebody harms you, you will have bad thoughts about the person, something triggers it off, if somebody pinched your fruit, you'd have bad thoughts about that guy, you wouldn’t have had bad thoughts about him before hand.

Tommas: The bad thought is a [[reaction]] to something, isn't it. If somebody harms you, you will have bad [[thoughts]] about the [[person]], something triggers it off, if somebody pinched your fruit, you'd have bad thoughts about that guy, you wouldn’t have had bad thoughts about him before hand.

SelinaSo cause and effect

Selina So [[cause]] and [[effect]]

Teacher: There is the negative and the positive. Cause and effect, no.

Teacher: There is the [[negative]] and the [[positive]]. Cause and effect, no.

There are always two. The side you do not see, the side you do see, the roots in the ground you do not see, the plant you admire. The smile on the face, the sadness in the eyes, the heaviness of the heart, the smile. There are of course times when it is the smile on the face, the lightness of the heart, the joy in the eyes. When this occurs negativity has been so to speak conquered, and is good. Do not dwell on your negativity which you call evil, yes, replace with good, but of course it is of great difficulty for humankind to remain positivity, good, so there are times where the trough of the wave comes, knowing the crest of the wave follows, yes, but also do not forget negative thoughts have great power also.

There are always two. The side you do not see, the side you do see, the [[roots]] in the ground you do not see, the [[plant]] you admire. The smile on the face, the sadness in the eyes, the heaviness of the heart, the smile. There are of course times when it is the smile on the face, the lightness of the heart, the joy in the eyes. When this occurs negativity has been so to speak conquered, and is good. Do not dwell on your negativity which you call evil, yes, replace with good, but of course it is of great difficulty for humankind to remain positivity, good, so there are times where the trough of the wave comes, knowing the crest of the wave follows, yes, but also do not forget negative thoughts have great power also.

FilipIs that part of the learning experience, the troughs as well?

FilipIs that part of the learning experience, the troughs as well?

Teacher: Yes.

Teacher: Yes.

===Closing===

===Closing===

Then I shall leave you with this.

Then I shall leave you with this.