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as we're all part of the same [[planet]], part of the same [[the System|system]] and
as we're all part of the same [[planet]], part of the same [[the System|system]] and
the same [[Local Universe|universe]].
the same [[Local Universe|universe]].
===='''''[[Parenting]]''''', '''''[[Experience]]'''''====
Q: You know, I made the same comment last week. Is it even possible to
Q: You know, I made the same comment last week. Is it even possible to
[[understand]] that [[parental]] side of love without experiencing the
[[understand]] that [[parental]] side of [[love]] without [[experiencing]] the
actual parental experience?
actual [[parental]] experience?
Q: Probably by seeing what the love of parents who have children. I
Q: Probably by seeing what the [[love]] of [[parents]] who have [[children]]. I
think the people around you would probably give you a feeling of
think the people around you would probably give you a [[feeling]] of
what it would be like.
what it would be like.
Q: I don't know, I wonder, because as I understand the text, we will
Q: I don't know, I [[wonder]], because as I [[understand]] the [[text]], we will
all raise children, either on this planet or the next; and I think
[[45:6 Adamic Training of Ascenders|all raise children, either on this planet or the next]]; and I think
it's because of that reason that we need to have that hands-on
it's because of that reason that we need to have that hands-on
personal experience of what it means to actually be a parent, to
[[personal]] [[experience]] of what it means to actually be a [[parent]], to
know that love.
know that [[love]].
Q: I think too, that having a step-child before I had a child of my
Q: I think too, that having a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepchildren step-child] before I had a child of my
own, that after I had the child of my own, my love increased for my
own, that after I had the child of my own, my [[love]] increased for my
step-child and my understanding of nurturing him was increased. So
step-child and my [[understanding]] of nurturing him was increased. So
it did help me.
it did help me.
Q: But that doesn't mean to imply that because you're not a parent on
Q: But that doesn't mean to imply that because you're not a parent on
this planet, that you are any less loving.
this [[planet]], that you are any less loving.
Q: To me, when my daughter was born, I had some life decisions to make
Q: To me, when my daughter was [[born]], I had some life [[decisions]] to make
about my career and stuff; but I remember looking at her, and it's
about my [[career]] and stuff; but I remember looking at her, and it's
kind of like a perspective of being (?) something much larger than
kind of like a [[perspective]] of [[being]] (?) something much larger than
this planet. Understanding our careers, I guess, is a whole
this [[planet]]. [[Understanding]] our careers, I guess, is a whole
different perspective looking at our day-to-day problems. I think
different [[perspective]] looking at our day-to-day [[problems]]. I think
it did that for me even without that kind of knowledge. It was like
it did that for me even without that kind of [[knowledge]]. It was like
you know, so many years in this life was not significant in relation
you know, so many years in this life was not significant in [[relation]]
to what you have and what the relationship is and the love you feel.
to what you have and what the relationship is and the [[love]] you [[feel]].
But I think you can still express that fatherly love on some levels
But I [[think]] you can still [[express]] that [[father]]ly love on some levels
without that experience.
without that [[experience]].
Q: I agree. Look how people who don't have children still give of
Q: I [[agree]]. Look how people who don't have [[children]] still give of
themselves. And it's the parental fashion, they give because they
themselves. And it's the parental fashion, they give because they
see that they have experiences that they can pass on, that they can
see that they have [[experiences]] that they can pass on, that they can
help someone with. It is in, from my understanding, the same
help someone with. It is in, from my [[understanding]], the same
attitude that Norsen was trying to explain. They're taking
[[attitude]] that Norsen was trying to [[explain]]. They're taking
responsibility actually for someone learning something from them,
[[responsibility]] actually for someone learning something from them,
and they're doing it with the intention of helping that person to
and they're doing it with the [[intention]] of helping that [[person]] to
grow to another plane. You know, teachers do that, whether they
grow to another [[plane]]. You know, [[teachers]] do that, whether they
have kids or not.
have kids or not.
Q: Or giving someone...or looking at someone and recognizing them as a
Q: Or giving someone...or looking at someone and [[recognizing]] them as a
part of God, as one of God's children when viewing Jesus when you
[[part]] of [[God]], as one of God's [[children]] when viewing [[Jesus]] when you
look at them. I think you're giving them a sense of acceptance and
look at them. I think you're giving them a sense of [[acceptance]] and
existence, allowing them to be who they are and creating an
[[existence]], allowing them to be who they are and creating an
environment in which they can grow to be what they can be. I think
[[environment]] in which they can grow to be what they can be. I think
when our judgments come in, or even when we choose not to see people
when our [[judgments]] come in, or even when we choose not to see people
that way, that's a judgment.
that way, that's a judgment.
Q: I think another thing we have to be very mindful of in reading
Q: I think another thing we have to be very mindful of in [[reading]]
anything from the text, especially in relation to the life and
anything from the [[text]], especially in [[relation]] to the life and
teachings, is that Jesus lived his life for all of his universe. So
teachings, is that [[Jesus]] lived his life for all of [[his universe]]. So
when he says things, he's talking to more than just the humans of
when he says things, he's talking to more than just the [[humans]] of
our planet. And my point is that he's also addressing the Welmeks
our [[planet]]. And my point is that he's also addressing the Welmeks
of the universe who are growing up on Light and Life worlds, they
of the [[universe]] who are growing up on [[Light and Life]] worlds, they
need insight also.
need [[insight]] also.
I'm not so sure that for us, in our meager existence on this
I'm not so sure that for us, in our meager [[existence]] on this
isolated sphere, it's important to truly be able to distinguish
[[isolated]] [[sphere]], it's important to truly be able to distinguish
between the Father's love and the love for a brother. I think
between [[the Father]]'s [[love]] and the love for a [[brother]]. I think
what's important for us is that we feel the love. I mean we are at
what's important for us is that we feel the love. I mean we are at
ground zero compared to a Welmek who has the insight that can
ground zero compared to a [[Welmek]] who has the [[insight]] that can
probably be able to get a much better grasp of a love for the Father
probably be able to get a much better grasp of a love for [[the Father]]
versus the love for his brothers and sisters and a much deeper
versus the love for his [[brothers and sisters]] and a much deeper
understanding of the true significance of what Jesus said.
[[understanding]] of the true significance of what [[Jesus]] said.
For us to struggle with the fact that I don't quite understand the
For us to [[struggle]] with the [[fact]] that I don't quite [[understand]] the
difference and it confuses me, I think we miss the point. I think
[[difference]] and it [[confuses]] me, I think we miss the [[point]]. I think
that the point, again, for us is the teachers have all been
that the point, again, for us is the [[teachers]] have all been
instructing us to do is to feel this love inside. Don't put the
instructing us to do is to [[feel]] this [[love]] inside. Don't put the
label of necessarily the Father or for the brother. Manifest the
label of necessarily [[the Father]] or for the [[brother]]. [[Manifest]] the
love toward another as though that person were Jesus.
love toward another as though that [[person]] were [[Jesus]].
I can say I have actively been trying to do that. It is really
I can say I have actively been trying to do that. It is really
difficult for me because each person I encounter I have to re-gear
[[difficult]] for me because each [[person]] I encounter I have to re-gear
and I'm constantly trying to re-think, "This is another Jesus" and I
and I'm constantly trying to re-think, "This is another [[Jesus]]" and I
want to start acting like it really was him; and I forget and get
want to start [[acting]] like it really was him; and I forget and get
wrapped up in routine, so on and so forth. But when I do it, there
wrapped up in [[routine]], so on and so forth. But when I do it, there
is a significant feeling within that is undeniable. And how the
is a significant [[feeling]] within that is undeniable. And how the
other person responds, I'm not really very concerned about because I
other [[person]] [[responds]], I'm not really very concerned about because I
know I can't control them anyway. I'm mostly concerned now about my
know I can't [[control]] them anyway. I'm mostly concerned now about my
love for them rather than their reaction to my love for them.
[[love]] for them rather than their [[reaction]] to my [[love]] for them.
I think, again, this is what both Jesus and the teachers are saying.
I think, again, this is what both [[Jesus]] and the [[teachers]] are saying.
If we could achieve that each time we encounter someone, where would
If we could [[achieve]] that each time we encounter someone, where would
we be in our spiritual growth? Will we have achieved that which we
we be in our [[spiritual]] [[growth]]? Will we have achieved that which we
set out for? The feelings that I had were, again, very calm peace
set out for? The [[feelings]] that I had were, again, very calm [[peace]]
of mind, and that's certainly some of my objectives to find in life.
of [[mind]], and that's certainly some of my objectives to find in life.
But it just doesn't happen. It takes effort. It takes hard work.
But it just doesn't happen. It takes [[effort]]. It takes hard [[work]].
There's no magic wand that says okay, now you're going to go treat
There's no [[magic]] [[wand]] that says okay, now you're going to go treat
everybody like it's Jesus. You really have to engage the person and
everybody like it's [[Jesus]]. You really have to [[engage]] the [[person]] and
think of them and feel for them in that way. It's had a significant
[[think]] of them and feel for them in that way. It's had a significant
impact on me, to the point that it encourages me to try it again and
[[impact]] on me, to the point that it [[encourages]] me to try it again and
to keep on trying it because I know what I felt. I know how it
to keep on trying it because I know what I felt. I know how it
changed my perspective.
changed my [[perspective]].
Q: At the same time, if you don't achieve that every time, you can't
Q: At the same time, if you don't [[achieve]] that every time, you can't
crucify yourself either. You have to just keep going on and that's
[[crucify]] yourself either. You have to just keep going on and that's
something I think many people have a tendency to do. You know you
something I [[think]] many people have a tendency to do. You know you
realize you're not perfect and you're so hard on yourself that you
realize you're not perfect and you're so hard on yourself that you
have to say, "Well I didn't do it this time, I'll just have to try
have to say, "Well I didn't do it this time, I'll just have to try
it next time."
it next time."
Q: And the challenge is in the case of what Mark said and we all have
Q: And the [[challenge]] is in the case of what Mark said and we all have
this in our jobs or in interpersonal relationships, there are these
this in our jobs or in interpersonal [[relationships]], there are these
people that make these off-the-wall comments that your initial
people that make these off-the-wall comments that your initial
response is you want to smack them beside the head because it's such
[[response]] is you want to smack them beside the head because it's such
a stupid thing for you say, for that person to be saying; but as
a stupid thing for you say, for that [[person]] to be saying; but as
Welmek said, you know, how did Jesus respond when he was being
[[Welmek]] said, you know, how did [[Jesus]] respond when he was being
nailed to the cross? Certainly a little more painful and more long-
[[Crucifixion|nailed to the cross]]? Certainly a little more [[painful]] and more long-
lasting than a snooty remark by somebody. His response was "Father
lasting than a snooty remark by somebody. His [[response]] was "[[187:2 The Crucifixion|Father
forgive them, they just don't know what they're doing." And if we
forgive them, they just don't know what they're doing]]." And if we
can really start to incorporate that, not that we're saying "Father,
can really start to incorporate that, not that we're saying "Father,
look how much better I am than that person is, but forgive them
look how much better I am than that [[person]] is, but [[forgive]] them
because they don't know they're really hurting me, or obviously they
because they don't know they're really hurting me, or obviously they
don't know you."
don't know you."
Q: Well, they're in trouble tomorrow, I can tell you. (laughter) I've
Q: Well, they're in trouble tomorrow, I can tell you. ([[laughter]]) I've
got more ammunition.
got more ammunition.
Q: Welmek, what would you say is the difference between fatherly and
Q: Welmek, what would you say is the [[difference]] between [[140:5 Fatherly and Brotherly Love|fatherly and
brotherly love?
brotherly love]]?
A: It is for me a matter of perspective. The perspective of a father's
A: It is for me a matter of [[perspective]]. The perspective of a [[father]]'s
love is so much more all-encompassing than the love a brother has
[[love]] is so much more all-[[encompassing]] than the love a [[brother]] has
for a brother or a sister. I would like you in the next week to
for a brother or a sister. I would like you in the next week to
consider this. Again, we will talk about this again in the future.
consider this. Again, we will talk about this again in the [[future]].
Think about what has been said. You have your transcripts from last
Think about what has been said. You have your [[transcripts]] from last
week with the comments made there. Continue to study your text for
week with the comments made there. Continue to [[study]] [[Urantia text|your text]] for
these references. There is a difference. It may not seem important
these [[references]]. There is a [[difference]]. It may not seem important
to you, to some of you, but it is important in your ability to view
to you, to some of you, but it is important in your [[ability]] to view
your fellow man and in your ability to develop the depth of
your fellow man and in your ability to develop the depth of
affection for him that the Master was asking for.
[[affection]] for him that [[the Master]] was asking for.
===Closing===
===Closing===
