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==Facilitators==

==Facilitators==

===Teacher: [[Daniel]], [[Abraham]]===

===Teacher: [[Daniel]], [[Abraham]]===

===TR: [[Unknown]]===

===TR: [[Debbie Roberts|Rutha]]===

 

== Session==

== Session==

===Opening===

===Opening===

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

K5: "Yes, Daniel a little commentary and then I have a couple of questions. I find I agree with Scripture, with Jesus, with yourself, with Abraham that love is the essence of life. However I find that what love is, is very complicated to me. I can read St. Francis' prayer and Corinthians 13 in describing love but I still find sometimes love is very hard to understand. Sometimes it gets complicated in that..well the commentary. Before my Dad died, well a week before he died I took him to the hospital. In all the years our relationship was tense and terse and I never heard him say that he loved me or anybody else. And on the way to hospital I told him that I loved him. And in turn he said to me, 'I've never been able to use that word'. And even then in describing that he wasn't able to say love, he had to say 'that word'. And then he said, 'As I was growing up as a child I have seen too many people use the word promiscuously, that you can use it so much that it loses its meaning'. I find myself doing that, too easily using the word love. In the trying to understand love is to try to understand what love is and sometimes I get caught up in between self esteem and self centeredness and its what I do and why do I do it, I guess. Sometimes I see myself motivating myself for other reasons and thinking that's love and it's not love. It's for my own grandeur or whatever. I guess my question is how does one..sometimes it's obvious..when love is love. I find a lot of times within myself and with others, love is hard to understand and to know. I guess that is my question or questions. Or what is the difference between...I think that also when we give the greatest thing we can do your friend is die for your friend. Is that love? But I think even that can be, we can do that for another motivating factor. How does one tell when one is really loving and is not? Two questions, several questions, thank you." Daniel: "Yes, and these are good questions. First love is a word. Words are only words. They convey feelings, emotions. They are used in communication. And so whatever definition is attached then that becomes that word. And as you say, over times words often lose their meaning, take on other meanings. So know that this is just a word. But words help us to communicate.

K5: "Yes, Daniel a little [[commentary]] and then I have a couple of [[questions]]. I find I [[agree]] with [[Scripture]], with [[Jesus]], with yourself, with [[Abraham]] that [[love]] is the [[essence]] of life. However I find that what love is, is very [[complicated]] to me. I can [[read]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_of_Saint_Francis St. Francis' prayer] and [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1st_Letter_of_Paul_to_the_Corinthians#1st_Letter_of_Paul_to_the_Corinthians.2C_XIII Corinthians 13] in describing love but I still find sometimes love is very hard to [[understand]]. Sometimes it gets [[complicated]] in that..well the commentary. Before my Dad died, well a week before he died I took him to the [[hospital]]. In all the years our [[relationship]] was tense and terse and I never heard him say that he loved me or anybody else. And on the way to hospital I told him that I [[loved]] him. And in turn he said to me, 'I've never been able to use that [[word]]'. And even then in describing that he wasn't able to say [[love]], he had to say 'that word'. And then he said, 'As I was growing up as a child I have seen too many people use the word [[promiscuously]], that you can use it so much that it loses its [[meaning]]'. I find myself doing that, too easily using the [[word]] [[love]]. In the trying to [[understand]] love is to try to understand what love is and sometimes I get caught up in between [[self]] [[esteem]] and self centeredness and its what I do and why do I do it, I guess. Sometimes I see myself [[motivating]] myself for other reasons and [[thinking]] that's [[love]] and it's not love. It's for my own grandeur or whatever. I guess my question is how does one..sometimes it's obvious..when [[love]] is love. I find a lot of times within myself and with others, love is hard to understand and to know. I guess that is my question or questions. Or what is the [[difference]] between...I think that also when we give the greatest thing we can do your friend is die for your friend. Is that [[love]]? But I think even that can be, we can do that for another [[motivating]] [[factor]]. How does one tell when one is really loving and is not? Two questions, several questions, thank you."  

 

Daniel: "Yes, and these are good questions. First [[love]] is a word. [[Words]] are only words. They convey [[feelings]], [[emotions]]. They are used in [[communication]]. And so whatever definition is attached then that becomes that word. And as you say, over times words often lose their [[meaning]], take on other meanings. So know that this is just a word. But words help us to [[communicate]].

Love is much more than a word. It is a feeling. It's real. When you look at a mother who is giving birth to a child, even in all the pain she can hardly wait to embrace and hold that child. Love between two people standing together saying, 'I do', while very immature grow as the couple grows. Love is felt. It is something that doesn't have to be communicated. So when you ask, 'how do you know' it is something that comes from your very innermost being; something that comes automatically; something you do for someone else just because you want to do it.

[[Love]] is much more than a word. It is a [[feeling]]. It's real. When you look at a [[mother]] who is giving [[birth]] to a [[child]], even in all the [[pain]] she can hardly wait to [[embrace]] and hold that child. Love between two people standing [[together]] saying, 'I do', while very immature [[grow]] as the couple grows. Love is felt. It is something that doesn't have to be [[communicated]]. So when you ask, 'how do you know' it is something that comes from your very innermost [[being]]; something that comes [[automatically]]; something you do for someone else just because you want to do it.

Love becomes more real as you learn to love and respect yourself. As with most things in life, until you know yourself, until you know why you do what you do then it is hard to reach out to another. So, here again, if we do not know or love ourselves we have to start on the very, very ground floor. Loving yourself means accepting who you are at any given moment. Knowing what other people think is meaningless. Knowing that you are a son of the Father or His daughter, is knowing that God loved you so much that He gave you an Indwelling Spirit. So in order to love yourself, you need to get in touch with your Reality. Not an easy task for many.

[[Love]] becomes more [[real]] as you learn to love and [[respect]] yourself. As with most things in life, until you know yourself, until you know why you do what you do then it is hard to reach out to another. So, here again, if we do not know or love ourselves we have to start on the very, very ground floor. Loving yourself means [[accepting]] who you are at any given [[moment]]. Knowing what other people think is meaningless. Knowing that you are a son of [[the Father]] or His daughter, is knowing that [[God]] loved you so much that He gave you an [[Indwelling Spirit]]. So in order to love yourself, you need to get in [[touch]] with your [[Reality]]. Not an easy task for many.

K3, you have got many problems you have been working through. When we talked this week we talked about some of those. And here again when you have finally got to the core of all your hurts and you can let go, forgive, then you will know genuine love. For when you feel good about yourself, despite all that has happened, then you can love yourself.

K3, you have got many [[problems]] you have been working through. When we [[talked]] this week we talked about some of those. And here again when you have finally got to the core of all your [[hurts]] and you can let go, [[forgive]], then you will know genuine [[love]]. For when you feel good about yourself, despite all that has happened, then you can [[love]] yourself.

And once you love yourself, you are ready to take on the world. Love is something you know is real when it happens. You know when you have loved unconditionally because of how it feels. Being a parent is probably the best example of love. For while you love the children, you must at the same time be tolerant of their mistakes. And there is probably not one among you who at one time or another felt like the love you had for your child was conditional. When they were being real good it is easy to love them, but when they are being bad it's not.

And once you [[love]] yourself, you are ready to take on the world. [[Love]] is something you know is [[real]] when it happens. You know when you have loved unconditionally because of how it [[feels]]. Being a [[parent]] is probably the best example of [[love]]. For while you love the [[children]], you must at the same time be [[tolerant]] of their mistakes. And there is probably not one among you who at one time or another felt like the love you had for your child was conditional. When they were being real [[good]] it is easy to love them, but when they are being bad it's not.

So the true test is then to say, 'Am I loving you because of who you are or what you've done'. Jesus was the greatest teacher in this regard, for while he loved men he did not tolerate their sin. He was able to separate man from his wrong deeds. So in love, in genuine love, that is what you must do. It is not easy to love ourselves at times, let alone those around us and when you think on a planetary basis it becomes even more difficult. What God desires is for you to desire to love one another, to love yourself. And if that desire is real the love will begin to flourish.

So the true test is then to say, 'Am I loving you because of who you are or what you've done'. [[Jesus]] was the greatest [[teacher]] in this regard, for while he loved men he did not [[tolerate]] their [[sin]]. He was able to separate man from his [[Error|wrong deeds]]. So in [[love]], in genuine love, that is what you must do. It is not easy to love ourselves at times, let alone those around us and when you [[think]] on a [[planetary]] basis it becomes even more [[difficult]]. What [[God]] [[desires]] is for you to desire to [[love]] one another, to love yourself. And if that [[desire]] is real the love will begin to flourish.

So start on the bottom realm, love yourself by getting to know yourself. You can love the Father then, because you know who you are and you can reach out to your brothers and sisters. The Father does not ask you to love each individual in the world, but to try to love those with whom you are in contact with and to understand those beyond your contact. So in a sense if you are understanding of those in another country you are giving love. Love is one of those things that you cannot put a finger on or write a clear definition for. If you are not feeling good about what is going on, then you need to check on your motivation to see if conditions are being attached, and then work from there. Perfection cannot be achieved on this plane, but daily working toward that is called upon.

So start on the bottom realm, [[love]] yourself by getting to [[know]] yourself. You can love [[the Father]] then, because you know who you are and you can reach out to your [[brothers and sisters]]. [[The Father]] does not ask you to [[love]] each [[individual]] in the world, but to try to love those with whom you are in [[contact]] with and to [[understand]] those beyond your [[contact]]. So in a sense if you are [[understanding]] of those in another country you are giving [[love]]. Love is one of those things that you cannot put a finger on or [[write]] a clear [[definition]] for. If you are not [[feeling]] [[good]] about what is going on, then you need to check on your [[motivation]] to see if conditions are being attached, and then work from there. [[Perfection]] cannot be [[achieved]] on this [[plane]], but daily working toward that is called upon.

So K3, I say to you, and to the rest of you, use these weeks to really learn who you are so that love and forgiveness become your nature. Does this help?"

So K3, I say to you, and to the rest of you, use these weeks to really [[learn]] who you are so that [[love]] and [[forgiveness]] become your [[nature]]. Does this help?"

K5: "Yes Daniel, just one quick other question, thank you it does help. When you speak of perfection . .as I understand perfection as when Jesus spoke of perfection as being perfect as the Father, he was not speaking in terms of faults. He was speaking in terms of how the Father loved. That he was calling us to love as the Father in that sense of what perfection is, not concerned with the faults we have or the mistakes we make."

K5: "Yes Daniel, just one quick other [[question]], thank you it does help. When you [[speak]] of [[perfection]] . .as I [[understand]] perfection as when [[Jesus]] spoke of perfection as being perfect as [[the Father]], he was not speaking in terms of [[faults]]. He was speaking in terms of how the Father loved. That he was calling us to love as the Father in that sense of what [[perfection]] is, not concerned with the [[faults]] we have or the mistakes we make."

Daniel: "That is correct."

Daniel: "That is correct."

C4: "Greetings Daniel, this is C4. I want to tell you what a privilege it is to be here and hear your teaching and welcome you to this growing group. It's presumptuous perhaps to say. I'm pleased to be here and I praise God that He has given us teachers such as yourself. And I would like you to communicate to Abraham my thanks and gratitude that he appeared before us today, and I was very moved by his presence and his words."

Daniel: "Thank you C4. It is an [[honor]] to have you as well and [[Abraham]] is still here. He sends you his [[love]]."

Daniel: "Thank you C4. It is an honor to have you as well and Abraham is still here. He sends you his love."

V1: "First of all Daniel, [[listening]] to the tape from last week I called you Danny and I'm not sure why except that I am a first grade teacher. But I apologize if that was inappropriate. The other thing is picking up on your continual lesson that we need to learn who we are as [[individuals]]...I think probably I have [[thought]] of that very need for many years. And the question that always comes to [[mind]] is whether or not it is [[necessary]] to know your [[childhood]], which of course I have forgotten mine and uh, would it be [[necessary]] to dig all that crap up? Can you [[love]] from where you are rather than try to bring that [[pain]] to [[mind]]?"

V1: "First of all Daniel, listening to the tape from last week I called you Danny and I'm not sure why except that I am a first grade teacher. But I apologize if that was inappropriate. The other thing is picking up on your continual lesson that we need to learn who we are as individuals...I think probably I have thought of that very need for many years. And the question that always comes to mind is whether or not it is necessary to know your childhood, which of course I have forgotten mine and uh, would it be necessary to dig all that crap up? Can you love from where you are rather than try to bring that pain to mind?"

Daniel: "Yes, V1. It does not matter what you called me. When you called me Danny I felt your [[love]], thank you. I [[feel]] your [[pain]] now. It is indeed unfortunate that so many [[mortals]] grow to [[adulthood]] with pains that are suffered as a [[child]]. When you [[realize]] how many, many people reach adulthood with this plight, then you will begin to see how important [[Teaching Mission|our mission]], our teachings are. For we need to start with the [[child]] and give him all that he needs to reach his [[potential]]. Instead, children generally never ever [[realize]] their potential. And this [[question]] you ask is one that is not easily answered. Rather it becomes an [[individual]] matter. For me to state that all people need to recover their [[childhood]] in order to grow would be a mistake. For some people, yes, this is [[necessary]]. For others, no. If you can [[love]] yourself where you are now, and V1 you do, there is no need to go back. That is over and done with. Rather [[forget]], [[forgive]], and move on. For those who cannot do this, who must find the [[truth]] about their past in order for them to love themselves, yes, you need to keep seeking, [[painful]] as it may be. These kinds of things are for everyone to look at, for nary a [[human being]] has had a [[perfect]] life. And so we all have those things we must look at."

Daniel: "Yes, V1. It does not matter what you called me. When you called me Danny I felt your love, thank you. I feel your pain now. It is indeed unfortunate that so many mortals grow to adulthood with pains that are suffered as a child. When you realize how many, many people reach adulthood with this plight, then you will begin to see how important our mission, our teachings are. For we need to start with the child and give him all that he needs to reach his potential. Instead, children generally never ever realize their potential. And this question you ask is one that is not easily answered. Rather it becomes an individual matter. For me to state that all people need to recover their childhood in order to grow would be a mistake. For some people, yes, this is necessary. For others, no. If you can love yourself where you are now, and V1 you do, there is no need to go back. That is over and done with. Rather forget, forgive, and move on. For those who cannot do this, who must find the truth about their past in order for them to love themselves, yes, you need to keep seeking, painful as it may be. These kinds of things are for everyone to look at, for nary a human being has had a perfect life. And so we all have those things we must look at."

V1: "Thank you Daniel. Frankly, that is what I would like to [[believe]] but every once in a while other [[advice]] is given to me and I guess I just need to say that it was [[God]]'s unconditional [[love]] that really helped me to even begin to love and go from there. I'm very [[grateful]] for that for that is unconditional love and I guess I might even have a good [[Thought Adjuster]]."

Daniel: "You do. And let me say that in [[time]] of [[doubt]], in times of toil and [[worry]], when the winds around us seem to bring nothing but [[negativeness]] into our life, then it is at those times that you are most [[vulnerable]] and it is hard to love oneself then. And so at these times you need to have a [[weapon]]. I want you all to be armed with that and this is being able to learn to take those [[quiet]] times daily to get in [[touch]] with yourself, to get in touch with [[the Father]]. Unfortunately, when things are not going your way, it's the hardest time to do this, right? So during these [[good]] times these uplifting times that you are [[feeling]] now, [[develop]] and build that [[foundation]] so when the bad times comes you will automatically seek the [[Indwelling Spirit]]; you will [[automatically]] go to Him; you will already have established a routine where you can seek [[quiet]] time. If you will do these things now it will be much easier during the down time, which is what life is all about, up and down. You will [[experience]] more [[joy]] in your up times, and spend less time in your down times if you keep [[spiritually]] in [[tune]], if you can keep [[focused]], if you know there is a loving [[Presence]] in you always."  

V1: "Thank you Daniel. Frankly, that is what I would like to believe but every once in a while other advice is given to me and I guess I just need to say that it was God's unconditional love that really helped me to even begin to love and go from there. I'm very grateful for that for that is unconditional love and I guess I might even have a good Thought Adjuster."

B1: "Daniel, this is B1. I want to convey my [[profound]] thanks to father [[Abraham]] for his [[beautiful]] talk and [[confirmation]] of our group as a part of the [[Reserve Corps|Corps of Destiny]] which he stated. I was of the guess, the hunch, that we would be hearing from father [[Abraham]] or some other member of the [[planetary government]] today and I was very pleased to have this happen. I am finding this [[experience]] today so moving that it is [[difficult]] to talk, because the [[reality]] is so evident to me. I also, therefor, thank you and the other spiritual [[beings]] who have been constantly with us to bring our [[growth]] to the point that it is. I am having [[difficulty]] [[talking]] so I'd like to pass this microphone to someone else."

Daniel: "You do. And let me say that in time of doubt, in times of toil and worry, when the winds around us seem to bring nothing but negativeness into our life, then it is at those times that you are most vulnerable and it is hard to love oneself then. And so at these times you need to have a weapon. I want you all to be armed with that and this is being able to learn to take those quiet times daily to get in touch with yourself, to get in touch with the Father. Unfortunately, when things are not going your way, it's the hardest time to do this, right? So during these good times these uplifting times that you are feeling now, develop and build that foundation so when the bad times comes you will automatically seek the Indwelling Spirit; you will automatically go to Him; you will already have established a routine where you can seek quiet time. If you will do these things now it will be much easier during the down time, which is what life is all about, up and down. You will experience more joy in your up times, and spend less time in your down times if you keep spiritually in tune, if you can keep focused, if you know there is a loving Presence in you always." B1: "Daniel, this is B1. I want to convey my profound thanks to father Abraham for his beautiful talk and confirmation of our group as a part of the Corps of Destiny which he stated. I was of the guess, the hunch, that we would be hearing from father Abraham or some other member of the planetary government today and I was very pleased to have this happen. I am finding this experience today so moving that it is difficult to talk, because the reality is so evident to me. I also, therefor, thank you and the other spiritual beings who have been constantly with us to bring our growth to the point that it is. I am having difficulty talking so I'd like to pass this microphone to someone else."

Daniel: "Understood B1, and acknowledged. This is indeed an [[emotional]] time. I am being bombarded by you all. Please take a deep [[breath]] and know that the [[love]] in this room [[grows]] and shines so brightly. You are all doing very well."

Daniel: "Understood B1, and acknowledged. This is indeed an emotional time. I am being bombarded by you all. Please take a deep breath and know that the love in this room grows and shines so brightly. You are all doing very well."

C4: "I am having [[trouble]] talking too and what I feel is that we are all [[loved]] and that is what is so overwhelming to know that the [[Planetary Prince]]'s staff are talking to little old us, and it is overwhelming to know that [[God]] loves us and is showing it in this way."

===Closing===

===Closing===

Daniel: "Yes and you are feeling such a little part of it. You have much to look forward to on your journey. It is beyond words, beyond anything I can tell you. And so I think if there are no more questions this would be a good time to stop. If I could I would come and embrace each of you. Know how wonderful you mortals have it, to feel the touch of someone else's embrace. Do not be afraid to touch another for often this communicates love above and beyond anything that could be said. My love to you this afternoon and enjoy your potluck. I will be back next Sunday at this time, or rather at our regular time. I thank all of you for attending today, and especially the out of town visitors. Please take my love back to your group and share it. Peace be with you. Good afternoon."

Daniel: "Yes and you are [[feeling]] such a little [[part]] of it. You have much to look forward to on your [[journey]]. It is beyond [[words]], beyond anything I can tell you. And so I [[think]] if there are no more [[questions]] this would be a good time to stop. If I could I would come and [[embrace]] each of you. Know how [[wonderful]] you [[mortals]] have it, to feel the [[touch]] of someone else's [[embrace]]. Do not be afraid to touch another for often this [[communicates]] love above and beyond anything that could be said. My [[love]] to you this afternoon and enjoy your potluck. I will be back next Sunday at this time, or rather at our regular time. I [[thank]] all of you for attending today, and especially the out of town [[visitors]]. Please take my [[love]] back to your [[group]] and [[share]] it. [[Peace]] be with you. Good afternoon."

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