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A. You are completely correct, for the more one thinks that they are [[self-righteous]] in their [[belief]], that their way is the only way, the further they really are from [[the Father]]. One day, in time, your buildings used for [[worship]] will [[literally]] become [[monuments]] to [[the Father]]. They will become these holy places that they are now so- called, and it will be a [[wondrous]] time, for when you enter this building you will feel the [[presence]] of [[God]] and as a [[group]], in [[unity]], you will [[worship]] Him. It is something that is rarely [[experienced]] on [[your planet]] now. This is [[regrettable]], for one would [[think]] that it would already have been [[achieved]] since the life of [[the Master]]. However, only the reverse has happened. [[Churches]] tend to be more of a place to [[socialize]] rather than true and [[sincere]] fellowship and [[worship]]. I again do not make [[judgment]] on those who attend [[church]], for I would [[encourage]] anyone to seek [[the Father]] in whatever way they can. I only make comments as to how deficient true, sincere [[worship]] is on your world.

A. You are completely correct, for the more one thinks that they are [[self-righteous]] in their [[belief]], that their way is the only way, the further they really are from [[the Father]]. One day, in time, your buildings used for [[worship]] will [[literally]] become [[monuments]] to [[the Father]]. They will become these holy places that they are now so- called, and it will be a [[wondrous]] time, for when you enter this building you will feel the [[presence]] of [[God]] and as a [[group]], in [[unity]], you will [[worship]] Him. It is something that is rarely [[experienced]] on [[your planet]] now. This is [[regrettable]], for one would [[think]] that it would already have been [[achieved]] since the life of [[the Master]]. However, only the reverse has happened. [[Churches]] tend to be more of a place to [[socialize]] rather than true and [[sincere]] fellowship and [[worship]]. I again do not make [[judgment]] on those who attend [[church]], for I would [[encourage]] anyone to seek [[the Father]] in whatever way they can. I only make comments as to how deficient true, sincere [[worship]] is on your world.

 

Q. Welmek, Mike was talking about [[sharing]] with other people. I've had a [[thought]] and I don't know if this pertains to what you were trying to [[share]] with us. I have a sense of an [[energy]] that we [[project]] that feels like a [[love]] [[energy]] when we're with other people, and I have [[experimented]] with this a little bit in the last couple of weeks or so when I'm with somebody, whether it's somebody I'm having a [[positive]] or a less than favorable interchange with, when I [[consciously]] try to project that I feel like I see a [[positive]] response in the other person. I also work with [[children]] who are not verbal and have various [[abilities]] mentally, and I've seen the same with them. I see a [[smile]] or a lightening. Is this something that's real?

Q. Welmek, Mike was talking about [[sharing]] with other people. I've had a [[thought]] and I don't know if this pertains to what you were trying to [[share]] with us. I have a sense of an [[energy]] that we [[project]] that feels like a [[love]] [[energy]] when we're with other people, and I have [[experimented]] with this a little bit in the last couple of weeks or so when I'm with somebody, whether it's somebody I'm having a [[positive]] or a less than favorable interchange with, when I [[consciously]] try to project that I feel like I see a [[positive]] response in the other person. I also work with [[children]] who are not verbal and have various [[abilities]] mentally, and I've seen the same with them. I see a [[smile]] or a lightening. Is this something that's real?

A. You are [[witnessing]] [[the Father]]'s [[love]] working through you. This is not an [[energy]] that you [[project]] yourself. It is [[literally]] His [[love]] [[flowing]] through you.

A. You are [[witnessing]] [[the Father]]'s [[love]] working through you. This is not an [[energy]] that you [[project]] yourself. It is [[literally]] His [[love]] [[flowing]] through you.

Q. Is it something that we...I feel that there's a conscious opening up of that so that there is some active part on my part it feels like...

Q. Is it something that we...I feel that there's a [[conscious]] opening up of that so that there is some [[active]] part on my part it feels like...

A. Absolutely. What you are doing in your daily practices will make this feeling, this knowing of this love flowing through you become very real in your daily life. As you become more aware, more love will flow through. As more love flows through, greater joy and happiness will be experienced by you. That is what we have been talking about. You have begun to sense what I now know, and I can tell you there is no greater feeling, no greater experience in your universe experience than that of seeing the Father's love flow through you and being received by another.

A. Absolutely. What you are doing in your daily [[practices]] will make this [[feeling]], this knowing of this [[love]] [[flowing]] through you become very real in your daily life. As you become more [[aware]], more [[love]] will [[flow]] through. As more love flows through, greater [[joy]] and [[happiness]] will be [[experienced]] by you. That is what we have been talking about. You have begun to sense what I now know, and I can tell you there is no greater [[feeling]], no greater [[experience]] in your [[universe]] experience than that of seeing [[the Father]]'s [[love]] [[flow]] through you and being [[received]] by another.

Q. I think I can look in my past and recognize people that I've felt that strong, and I think that may be a way to reach the people who might not be able to grasp something intellectually.

Q. I think I can look in my [[past]] and [[recognize]] people that I've felt that [[strong]], and I [[think]] that may be a way to reach the people who might not be able to grasp something [[intellectually]].

A. Indeed, it is love that this planet needs more than intellectual understanding of God.

A. Indeed, it is [[love]] that [[this planet]] needs more than [[intellectual]] [[understanding]] of [[God]].

A. There is much happening that goes on in your world other than the [[Teaching Mission|teacher mission]]. For indeed by the [[circuits]] being reopened, the [[spiritual pressure]] being applied is significant. I too was [[encouraged]] to hear the [[speeches]] given. However, once again, we go back to the [[statement]] "[[Actions]] speak louder than [[words]]." For in many [[Urantia]] conferences, much [[noble]] thought has been [[expressed]] about [[doing the Father's will]], yet unfortunately in [[individual]] lives the [[actions]] fall short of the [[words]]. You have no [[substitute]] for action, for [[decision]]. You must live life fully each day and each day [[decide]] what it is you can do to bring yourself first closer to Him. Then, as you [[feel]] yourself moving in this direction, you look back in a sense, and see what you can do to bring others along with you.

Q. The other question I had, when I was at the conference that was held in Madison, I was real excited to see something that I could send back because I was, I am not as familiar with the people. I didn't feel a part of the interdynamics that were going on. But I was very excited to hear every person who spoke had a similar message; and I wondered if they were all looking at actualizing the truth from the book and ways to reach out to other people. And that's something that my understanding hasn't been that unanimous among readers.

Q. Welmek, as you look down and [[observe]] our [[human]] [[behavior]], what do you see as the major human [[stumbling blocks]] that keep us as humans from looking for the [[God within us]]?

That was real exciting to me, but I felt it was like an indication of this circuit being opened. Are there many missions going on other that what we're aware of through the teachers?

A. There is much happening that goes on in your world other than the teacher mission. For indeed by the circuits being reopened, the spiritual pressure being applied is significant. I too was encouraged to hear the speeches given. However, once again, we go back to the statement "Actions speak louder than words." For in many Urantia conferences, much noble thought has been expressed about doing the Father's will, yet unfortunately in individual lives the actions fall short of the words. You have no substitute for action, for decision. You must live life fully each day and each day decide what it is you can do to bring yourself first closer to Him. Then, as you feel yourself moving in this direction, you look back in a sense, and see what you can do to bring others along with you.

A. Primarily, the biggest [[stumbling block]] is the [[focus]] on the [[self]]. Your world as [[individuals]] thinks in terms of "I must do this for me." I tell you, in [[universe]] [[service]], it is rather "What can I do to serve another?" This is a primary reversal of [[universe reality]] and we are also [[engaged]] in trying to [[change]] this problem. It can only, however, be changed by you as an [[individual]] making a choice to no longer [[perceive]] yourself as first but to perceive [[the Father]] as the [[source]] and to [[perceive]] your [[brothers and sisters]] as the [[opportunity]] to serve [[the Father]].

Q. Welmek, this is Charity Free. Could you please tell me what my [[spiritual]] [[name]] is?

 

 

Q. Welmek, this is Charity Free. Could you please tell me what my spiritual name is?

A.. One moment....your name is Susannah.

A.. One moment....your name is Susannah.

 

Q. Thank you. Would you happen to know what spiritual level I would be on?

Q. Thank you. Would you happen to know what spiritual level I would be on?

A. I am not able to fully describe for you that information for several reasons. First of all, I am not fully qualified to tell you exactly where your spirit fragment is within the outworking of his plan for you. Be not concerned with where you are in your spiritual development at any given point in time. I'm telling you, that is not important for you to know. What is important for you to know is that each day you dedicate yourself to doing His will, to worshiping Him, to praying for others, to serving your fellow man in an unselfish and loving way, and to forgive yourself as you forgive others. That is what you must focus on now. Spiritual progress will be known in time.

A. I am not able to fully [[describe]] for you that [[information]] for several reasons. First of all, I am not fully qualified to tell you exactly where your [[spirit fragment]] is within the outworking of his [[plan]] for you. Be not concerned with where you are in your [[spiritual development]] at any given [[point]] in time. I'm telling you, that is not important for you to know. What is important for you to know is that each day you [[dedicate]] yourself to doing His will, to [[worshiping]] Him, to [[praying]] for others, to serving your fellow man in an [[unselfish]] and [[loving]] way, and to [[forgive]] yourself as you forgive others. That is what you must [[focus]] on now. [[Spiritual progress]] will be known in time.

Q. Welmek, this is Scott again. When Michael appears in morontial form, will people who do not believe be able to perceive him?

Q. Welmek, this is Scott again. When [[Michael]] appears in [[morontial]] form, will people who do not [[believe]] be able to [[perceive]] him?

A. I do not believe so.

A. I do not [[believe]] so.

Q. You mentioned a few weeks ago about working with other groups who are not Urantia groups that are a part of the Urantia mission may or may not be aware of the others. Has any progress been made on this?

Q. You mentioned a few weeks ago about working with other [[groups]] who are not [[Urantia]] groups that are a part of the Urantia mission may or may not be [[aware]] of the others. Has any [[progress]] been made on this?

A. There has been an assignment made by Machiventa to Ham to institute a program of outreach. I will allow Ham to address this and will communicate to you as the need arises.

A. There has been an assignment made by [[Machiventa]] to [[Ham]] to institute a program of [[outreach]]. I will allow [[Ham]] to address this and will [[communicate]] to you as the need arises.

Q. One final question. In a few weeks, we're going to be meeting as a group to discuss how we're going to organize. Do you have any suggestions or comments on how this group should be organized?

Q. One final question. In a few weeks, we're going to be meeting as a [[group]] to discuss how we're going to [[organize]]. Do you have any suggestions or comments on how this group should be organized?

A. Only to do it in a loving way. It is not for me to decide how you wish to organize as a group. I am here to guide you in spiritual matters, not in this way.

A. Only to do it in a [[loving]] way. It is not for me to [[decide]] how you wish to [[organize]] as a [[group]]. I am here to guide you in [[spiritual]] matters, not in this way.

Q. Welmek, this is Bob. I'd like to address the quality of impatience. It was mentioned that, Melchizidek mentioned it and I believe you mentioned that, we were going to try experiments. Of course, the Gabriel visit over the weekend was an experiment. When can we expect more experiments? (group laughter)

Q. Welmek, this is Bob. I'd like to address the [[quality]] of impatience. It was mentioned that, [[Melchizidek]] mentioned it and I believe you mentioned that, we were going to try [[experiments]]. Of course, the [[Gabriel]] visit over the weekend was an [[experiment]]. When can we expect more experiments? (group [[laughter]])

A. Do you feel that you have sufficiently achieved what has already been asked?

A. Do you feel that you have sufficiently achieved what has already been asked?

Q. Not at all. (group laughter)

Q. Not at all. (group [[laughter]])

A. I say this in a very warm and loving way, for I perceive in many the desire, but at times I also see the effort not being what I know you are fully capable of. Indeed, Sunday was the first experiment that Machiventa was referring to. There will be more things to come, but we can only move as fast as you do. I cannot proceed with certain experiments until I see somewhat of a more unified effort on your part as a group to follow the instruction already given. Do not impede this progress by thinking that "I do not need to do this, for I have already achieved it." For I tell you there is no one in this group that has achieved in completion what has already been set forth. This is a daily process. Many of you have been given individual assignments. I would ask, as you retire this evening, to think about what I have asked on an individual basis and determine whether or not you have satisfactorily achieved what has been asked. I am, however, excited about the possibilities for our group, and, indeed, there are several experiments, several assignments, that will be forthcoming in the near future.

A. I say this in a very warm and loving way, for I [[perceive]] in many the [[desire]], but at times I also see the [[effort]] not being what I know you are fully capable of. Indeed, Sunday was the first [[experiment]] that [[Machiventa]] was referring to. There will be more things to come, but we can only move as fast as you do. I cannot [[proceed]] with certain [[experiments]] until I see somewhat of a more [[unified]] [[effort]] on your part as a group to follow the instruction already given. Do not impede this [[progress]] by [[thinking]] that "I do not need to do this, for I have already achieved it." For I tell you there is no one in this group that has [[achieved]] in completion what has already been set forth. This is a daily [[process]]. Many of you have been given [[individual]] assignments. I would ask, as you retire this evening, to [[think]] about what I have asked on an [[individual]] basis and determine whether or not you have satisfactorily [[achieved]] what has been asked. I am, however, excited about the [[possibilities]] for our group, and, indeed, there are several [[experiments]], several assignments, that will be forthcoming in the near [[future]].

Q. Welmek, in one of the transcripts they were describing spiritual aligning. Could you perhaps discuss that for our group? Spiritual alignment for us?

Q. Welmek, in one of the [[transcripts]] they were describing [[spiritual]] [[aligning]]. Could you perhaps [[discuss]] that for our group? Spiritual alignment for us?

A. How did you understand it to mean?

A. How did you [[understand]] it to mean?

Q. I understood it to mean when we were, when we are in the state of attunement to the Father's will, in the stillness when we are able to feel the Father's love flow through us, to feel that we are loved by Him as a child of His, and to feel we are at peace with Him and creation.

Q. I [[understood]] it to mean when we were, when we are in the state of [[attunement]] to [[the Father]]'s will, in the [[stillness]] when we are able to [[feel]] [[the Father]]'s [[love]] [[flow]] through us, to feel that we are loved by Him as a child of His, and to feel we are at [[peace]] with Him and [[creation]].

A. Does that seem like a reasonable definition to you?

A. Does that seem like a reasonable [[definition]] to you?

Q. It seems reasonable, but is that all there is to it? Or is there much more to be expanded onto it?

Q. It seems reasonable, but is that all there is to it? Or is there much more to be expanded onto it?

A. Indeed, there is more to it than what you have expressed. But I would say that your expression is adequate for each in this room now. Would anyone else care to comment on this alignment? Are there any other questions?

A. Indeed, there is more to it than what you have [[expressed]]. But I would say that your expression is adequate for each in this room now. Would anyone else care to comment on this [[alignment]]? Are there any other questions?

 

Q. Welmek, are beings such as yourself and the angels that also have watchcare over us and so on, are they able to communicate with our Adjuster? Does the Adjuster communicate his plan for us to them?

Q. Welmek, are beings such as yourself and the [[angels]] that also have watchcare over us and so on, are they able to [[communicate]] with our [[Adjuster]]? Does the Adjuster [[communicate]] his [[plan]] for us to them?

 

Q. Welmek, in worship, the Thought Adjuster is a fragment of God, and sometimes I seem to experience some confusion. I sometimes think of our Universal Father and try to direct thanksgiving to the Father, and I sense the Adjuster relays that to the Father; but in that process, I somehow differentiate in my mind between the Father as a total entity, and the Adjuster as somehow separate from the Father. Is there anything you can say that would help me get a clearer understanding of the nature of the Adjuster? When we address the Adjuster, should we simply assume that we are directly addressing the Father Himself? Or is there absolutely no distinction between them?

Q. Welmek, in [[worship]], the [[Thought Adjuster]] is a fragment of [[God]], and sometimes I seem to [[experience]] some [[confusion]]. I sometimes think of our [[Universal Father]] and try to direct [[thanksgiving]] to the Father, and I sense the [[Adjuster]] relays that to [[the Father]]; but in that [[process]], I somehow [[differentiate]] in my [[mind]] between the Father as a total [[entity]], and the [[Adjuster]] as somehow [[separate]] from [[the Father]]. Is there anything you can say that would help me get a [[clearer]] [[understanding]] of the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_107 nature of the Adjuster]? When we address the [[Adjuster]], should we simply [[assume]] that we are directly addressing [[the Father]] Himself? Or is there [[absolutely]] no [[distinction]] between them?

A. There is, for all intent and purposes in your state of existence, no difference between the two. As you get closer to fusion, you will begin to sense somewhat of a difference, for communication will come clearer and more frequently from this fragment. Know that the fragment is a part of the Father; yet in your existence it is also separate. This is difficult for all of us to understand in our early ascension careers; but when you fuse, many things will be made much clearer to you. For now, when you worship, either worship through your spirit fragment or directly to the Father; for, as I said, there is no difference.

A. There is, for all [[intent]] and [[purposes]] in your state of [[existence]], no difference between the [[two]]. As you get closer to [[fusion]], you will begin to sense somewhat of a [[difference]], for [[communication]] will come [[clearer]] and more frequently from this [[fragment]]. Know that [[the fragment]] is a part of [[the Father]]; yet in your [[existence]] it is also separate. This is [[difficult]] for all of us to [[understand]] in our early [[ascension careers]]; but when you [[fuse]], many things will be made much [[clearer]] to you. For now, when you [[worship]], either worship through your [[spirit fragment]] or directly to [[the Father]]; for, as I said, there is no [[difference]].

Q. Welmek, I watched a program a week ago on family abuse; and what really struck me at the end of this program was not only the pain that the abused person goes through, but the pain that the abuser also has gone through and goes through. Last week you spoke to us about forgiving ourselves; and it occurred to me that these people who have done such horrendous things to their family members might need some assistance in learning how to forgive themselves. What can we do as a society to help these people in the process of forgiving themselves for what they've done?

A. One of the [[authors]] of your text said "Such a life on such a [[planet]]".([[111:7 The Adjuster's Problem|111:7.5]]) I cannot tell you how [[grieved]] we are when we see these things happen on your world, for it is such a [[devastation]], it is such a total disregard for human [[dignity]]. However, I would say to you that you must be able to [[forgive]]; for [[imagine]] just a moment, our [[Creator]] hanging on [[the cross]], dying, looking out upon the entire [[planet]] and saying to [[our Father]] to forgive them because they do not know what they are doing. I tell you it is the same with the perpetrators of this misery. They simply do not [[understand]] what it is they're doing. I know it is hard for those who have [[received]] this [[abuse]] to [[understand]], [[accept]] and [[forgive]]. In time you will. You must try as best you can to convey to those who have had this [[experience]] that [[the Father]] loves them. He loves them as His child and He will never [[forsake]] them. [[Encourage]] them to feel this [[love]]. [[Encourage]] them to [[share]] this [[love]] with all that they come in [[contact]] with. It is a [[healing]] for yourself when you [[forgive]] another who has hurtfully done wrong to you. I know this is probably one of the most [[difficult]] things for [[humans]] do; but I tell you, if you wish the burden, if you [[wish]] the [[pressure]] to be released, then you must think in these terms. Ask [[our Father]] for His [[love]]. Ask all of us including [[Michael]] himself for the [[wisdom]] and [[guidance]] that will lead you to this [[ability]] to find this [[forgiveness]] within yourself.

A. One of the authors of your text said "Such a life on such a planet". I cannot tell you how grieved we are when we see these things happen on your world, for it is such a devastation, it is such a total disregard for human dignity. However, I would say to you that you must be able to forgive; for imagine just a moment, our Creator hanging on the cross, dying, looking out upon the entire planet and saying to our Father to forgive them because they do not know what they are doing. I tell you it is the same with the perpetrators of this misery. They simply do not understand what it is they're doing. I know it is hard for those who have received this abuse to understand, accept and forgive. In time you will. You must try as best you can to convey to those who have had this experience that the Father loves them. He loves them as His child and He will never forsake them. Encourage them to feel this love. Encourage them to share this love with all that they come in contact with. It is a healing for yourself when you forgive another who has hurtfully done wrong to you. I know this is probably one of the most difficult things for humans do; but I tell you, if you wish the burden, if you wish the pressure to be released, then you must think in these terms. Ask our Father for His love. Ask all of us including Michael himself for the wisdom and guidance that will lead you to this ability to find this forgiveness within yourself.

Q. But not so much for us to [[forgive]] them, or the [[abused]] to forgive them, but for them to forgive themselves. Now there are [[therapies]] available and so forth. I just [[wonder]] what else can be done to help the one who's actually [[committed]] the [[crime]] to forgive themselves for what they have done once they have stopped the [[cycle]].

Q. But not so much for us to forgive them, or the abused to forgive them, but for them to forgive themselves. Now there are therapies available and so forth. I just wonder what else can be done to help the one who's actually committed the crime to forgive themselves for what they have done once they have stopped the cycle.

A. First, they have to stop the [[cycle]]. They have to be [[rehabilitated]]. They must be made [[aware]] that they are a living [[human being]]. They must be made [[aware]] that they are [[brothers and sisters]] of everyone else on [[this planet]]. They must be made [[aware]] that they too have a [[Father fragment]] within their [[mind]]. They must be made aware that [[the Father]] loves them. If this [[problem]] stems from an [[electro]]-[[chemical]] imbalance, that your [[science]] is wholly unable to [[change]], then I tell you little can be done for this [[individual]] in the [[mortal]] [[existence]]. They must simply move on, where on the [[First Mansion World|first world]] they will [[receive]] a new [[mechanism]] in which to [[function]] and will have all of the help that they need in order to [[understand]] what it is they did not or could not [[understand]] on their world of [[nativity]]. Reach out to all who [[act]] in a way un-Godlike. Do what you can to help them see what it is they cannot or do not see now.

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There seems to be so much to [[pray]] for. I pray for as much as I can, but yet I come away from my prayers [[feeling]] that I haven't done enough. Is this [[normal]]?

A. First, they have to stop the cycle. They have to be rehabilitated. They must be made aware that they are a living human being. They must be made aware that they are brothers and sisters of everyone else on this planet. They must be made aware that they too have a Father fragment within their mind. They must be made aware that the Father loves them. If this problem stems from an electro-chemical imbalance, that your science is wholly unable to change, then I tell you little can be done for this individual in the mortal existence. They must simply move on, where on the first world they will receive a new mechanism in which to function and will have all of the help that they need in order to understand what it is they did not or could not understand on their world of nativity. Reach out to all who act in a way un-Godlike. Do what you can to help them see what it is they cannot or do not see now.

A. It is understandable; for I can tell you from what I have [[witnessed]] on your world, I, too, feel as you. But in deeper [[thinking]], I [[realize]] that we can only do what we can within the given day. Each day I have [[encouraged]] you to [[pray]], so that over the [[course]] of your lifetime, you will have [[literally]] prayed thousands of days for your fellow [[beings]]. Now I would ask you to [[think]] in terms of, if each person in this group prayed thousands of days, how many prayers would that be. Then, if there are tens of thousands of these [[groups]] on your world, how many prayers would that be over a lifetime? Soon these [[problems]] will be answered by the prayers that you are saying day-by-day.

Q. Welmek, when I pray many times I pray for others less fortunate.

Q. So you're saying I should take [[comfort]] in the [[fact]] that there are others who are trying to help me pray for all who need [[prayer]], and not feel insufficient in what it is that I pray for.

There seems to be so much to pray for. I pray for as much as I can, but yet I come away from my prayers feeling that I haven't done enough. Is this normal?

A. Indeed. For all that you see gathered in this room this evening pray for others who are less fortunate than themself; and I tell you this is a small group amongst many. Do not [[feel]] as though you are inadequate, for I am here to tell you that by the [[fact]] that you [[pray]] gives you adequacy. It brings you in to the [[reality]] of [[experience]]. Do not [[hesitate]] to [[pray]] or [[worship]] because you think that your prayers are small or will go unanswered. No [[prayer]] will go unanswered if you are [[sincere]] and intent. It may take time. It may not be answered until a life beyond this world; but I tell you with full surety that all [[prayers]] will be answered. It should give you [[pleasure]] in knowing this.

 

 

A. Indeed. For all that you see gathered in this room this evening pray for others who are less fortunate than themself; and I tell you this is a small group amongst many. Do not feel as though you are inadequate, for I am here to tell you that by the fact that you pray gives you adequacy. It brings you in to the reality of experience. Do not hesitate to pray or worship because you think that your prayers are small or will go unanswered. No prayer will go unanswered if you are sincere and intent. It may take time. It may not be answered until a life beyond this world; but I tell you with full surety that all prayers will be answered. It should give you pleasure in knowing this.

Q. Welmek, this is Marv

Q. Welmek, this is Marv

A. I have a question on abuse. Those of us in this room and those of us in the world who have been abused..I know that Sunday Mike and David and somebody else and I were talking about when we left this world and went to the morontia worlds, they were talking about when we meet the perpetrator, the person that harmed us in the beginning, that made us feel unworthy of ourselves and unworthy of anybody else.. when Michael brought that up, I had this most un-Godly angry feeling that I have felt in a long, long time. You know, I'm not sure that I want to run into that person on the morontia worlds, and yet you're telling us in time that we'll be able to forgive. How do we forgive that person, that's no longer in existence? He's passed on.

A. I have a [[question]] on [[abuse]]. Those of us in this room and those of us in the world who have been abused..I know that Sunday Mike and David and somebody else and I were talking about when we left this world and went to the [[morontia worlds]], they were talking about when we meet the perpetrator, the [[person]] that harmed us in the beginning, that made us feel unworthy of ourselves and unworthy of anybody else.. when [[Michael]] brought that up, I had this most un-Godly [[angry]] [[feeling]] that I have felt in a long, long time. You know, I'm not sure that I want to run into that person on the [[morontia worlds]], and yet you're telling us in time that we'll be able to [[forgive]]. How do we forgive that [[person]], that's no longer in [[existence]]? He's passed on.

A. How do you forgive one who has passed on is no different than forgiving one who still lives. You must simply realize that that individual in terms of universe reality would not act or behave in such a way if they were God-knowing and God-loving. I will tell you there is no doubt when you resurrect on the first world, that your whole perspective of things will change; for you will see yourself with a new form, you will see an existence you were totally unaware of unless you have been fortunate to be made aware of either by the text or these teachings; and this fact alone will begin to change your attitude about reality. You will also receive, that is the perpetrators will receive, rehabilitation in a sense. They will be helped to realize that what they did in their mortal career was wholly wrong, and what they must do to correct it. You must give them the opportunity to make this up to you. It is your duty, it is also your privilege; for I tell you this will happen throughout universe career experience. Do not hold back your forgiveness. For who are you to not forgive? If you accept the Father's love fully, and accept the fact that He has forgiven you for all that you have done to others either consciously or unconsciously, then I suggest that you forgive those who have hurt you likewise. It is greatness in mankind to forgive.

A. How do you [[forgive]] one who has passed on is no [[different]] than forgiving one who still lives. You must simply [[realize]] that that [[individual]] in terms of [[universe reality]] would not [[act]] or behave in such a way if they were [[God]]-knowing and God-loving. I will tell you there is no [[doubt]] when you [[resurrect]] on [[First Mansion World|the first world]], that your whole [[perspective]] of things will [[change]]; for you will see yourself with a new form, you will see an [[existence]] you were totally unaware of unless you have been fortunate to be made aware of either by [[Urantia Text|the text]] or these teachings; and this [[fact]] alone will begin to [[change]] your [[attitude]] about [[reality]]. You will also [[receive]], that is the perpetrators will [[receive]], [[rehabilitation]] in a sense. They will be helped to [[realize]] that what they did in their [[mortal]] [[career]] was wholly wrong, and what they must do to correct it. You must give them the [[opportunity]] to make this up to you. It is your [[duty]], it is also your [[privilege]]; for I tell you this will happen throughout [[universe career]] [[experience]]. Do not hold back your [[forgiveness]]. For who are you to not forgive? If you [[accept]] [[the Father]]'s [[love]] fully, and [[accept]] the [[fact]] that He has forgiven you for all that you have done to others either [[consciously]] or [[unconsciously]], then I suggest that you [[forgive]] those who have hurt you likewise. It is greatness in [[mankind]] to [[forgive]].

Q. Maybe in time I can handle that, but right now it's more than I can swallow.

Q. Maybe in time I can handle that, but right now it's more than I can swallow.

Q. I have spent several years in getting secular education so that I can help abused women and children, because I come out of an abusive situation myself. I'm wondering in view of the mission that we are shortly going to have, in making people aware of God's love, if my time would be better spent reading the Urantia Book than pursuing this worldly education?

Q. I have spent several years in getting [[secular]] [[education]] so that I can help [[abused]] [[women]] and [[children]], because I come out of an abusive situation myself. I'm [[wondering]] in view of [[Teaching Mission|the mission]] that we are shortly going to have, in making people [[aware]] of [[God]]'s [[love]], if my time would be better spent reading the [[Urantia Book]] than pursuing this worldly [[education]]?

A. Is it not possible to do both?

A. Is it not possible to do both?

Q. Well, I've been trying, but I'm getting real tired.

Q. Well, I've been trying, but I'm getting real tired.

A. I would encourage you to set a meeting so that I may address this issue more fully with you, Connie.

A. I would [[encourage]] you to set a meeting so that I may address this issue more fully with you, Connie.

 

Q. Welmek, one of the things that I'm concerned with is my own motivation in determining God's will and then struggling with my own will, and I see still a lot of selfishness...the self-seeking part of my will come into play, and I'm wondering how I can better determine what it is that God wants for me as opposed to what my will is. Is that clear?

Q. Welmek, one of the things that I'm concerned with is my own [[motivation]] in determining God's will and then [[struggling]] with my own will, and I see still a lot of [[selfishness]]...the [[self]]-seeking part of my will come into [[play]], and I'm [[wondering]] how I can better determine what it is that God wants for me as [[opposed]] to what my will is. Is that clear?

 

Q. Well, I guess one of the things that confused me is I want to have a little bit more material comfort in my life. I know that God does not begrudge that, but yet there comes a point where He's not real concerned about it because it's all going to be taken care of. There's a point in my life where I guess I want to know that that is,...I'm not sure what I'm trying to say right now.

A. Your [[goal]] is to match the [[two]], that God's will becomes your will. As we have [[discussed]], you know now enough to know what is His will for you. Can you be specific as to what [[confuses]] you in a situation.

A. If you're asking me should you pursue your earthly career to maintain your material existence, then of course you should. This is not inconsistent with His will. It becomes inconsistent with His will if you seek money and power to lord over another individual. Is that what you mean?

Q. Well, I guess one of the things that [[confused]] me is I want to have a little bit more [[material]] [[comfort]] in my life. I know that [[God]] does not begrudge that, but yet there comes a point where He's not real concerned about it because it's all going to be taken care of. There's a [[point]] in my life where I guess I want to know that that is,...I'm not sure what I'm trying to say right now.

Q. I guess I'll have to think about that a little bit more.

A. If you're asking me should you pursue your [[earthly]] [[career]] to maintain your [[material]] [[existence]], then of course you should. This is not inconsistent with His will. It becomes inconsistent with His will if you seek [[money]] and [[power]] to lord over another [[individual]]. Is that what you mean?

A. I would also suggest that each of you in this room, knowing that you are brothers and sisters with all on this planet, think about those in countries that have not one one-hundredth of what you do. It is truly a humbling experience when you think about this. Hopefully, my words will help you put into perspective the need not to become so frustrated or so focused about your material existence. Seek first the Father and all else will be added unto you. Those words are literally true. I know that the hardships of material living cause anxiety and frustration; but I will also tell you that these are things that you must deal with daily, face boldly and soon you will get a much better control over your material existence.

Q. I guess I'll have to [[think]] about that a little bit more.

Q. Welmek, when you were talking about forgiveness of an abuser, I had another thought that came to my mind. One of the things that I think I've had the most difficulty with situations from my past, is how to come to terms and how to be patient and how to deal with my own sense of loss or grief over the periods of development that was interrupted or altered within myself. I think that's been one of the hardest parts for me because it's hard in our society sometimes to do in a different stage. It's hard to make up in growth what you passed in that time period. Can you comment on that at all?

Q. Welmek, when you were talking about [[forgiveness]] of an [[abuser]], I had another [[thought]] that came to my [[mind]]. One of the things that I [[think]] I've had the most [[difficulty]] with situations from my [[past]], is how to come to terms and how to be patient and how to deal with my own sense of loss or [[grief]] over the periods of [[development]] that was [[interrupted]] or altered within myself. I think that's been one of the hardest parts for me because it's hard in our [[society]] sometimes to do in a [[different]] [[stage]]. It's hard to make up in [[growth]] what you passed in that time period. Can you comment on that at all?

A. Can you be more specific as far as the experience?

A. Can you be more specific as far as the [[experience]]?

Q. I had an experience as a child that really altered my ability to trust and relate to my peers, particularly, I think that was my biggest loss, but also to my life. But I think I'm coming closer to being able to fully forgive that situation. I reached a real forgiveness point before I spoke to that person, but I still have trouble with the ongoing dynamics with that person not fully acknowledging the situation and being willing to help me piece together the holes in my life. I understand now, from your teachings now, how I can do that; I'm working on that. Now I have to come to terms with the lack of wholeness in myself, so I have been searching for personal growth all my adult life to fill those holes. I find myself frustrated, impatient and grieving, really, to a degree, that loss, that lack of wholeness.

Q. I had an [[experience]] as a [[child]] that really altered my [[ability]] to [[trust]] and relate to my [[peers]], particularly, I think that was my biggest loss, but also to my life. But I think I'm coming closer to being able to fully [[forgive]] that situation. I reached a real forgiveness point before I spoke to that [[person]], but I still have trouble with the ongoing [[dynamics]] with that person not fully acknowledging the situation and being willing to help me piece together the holes in my life. I [[understand]] now, from your teachings now, how I can do that; I'm working on that. Now I have to come to terms with the lack of wholeness in myself, so I have been searching for [[personal]] [[growth]] all my adult life to fill those holes. I find myself [[frustrated]], impatient and grieving, really, to a [[degree]], that loss, that lack of wholeness.

A. The lack of wholeness that you experience will surely be nonexistent if you continue doing what you are doing now. You must realize these things take time. You will not eliminate the deficiencies in your life overnight. I would ask a question in regards to forgiveness of others. Is your inability to forgive motivated by hate? If the answer to that question is yes, then you must decide how quickly you can eliminate this poison from your mind; for I tell you hate, anger, is a poison. It has no room in a spiritually enlightened mind. Do not expect yourself to be able to eliminate this poison overnight, but do expect yourself to try. That is what I want you all to do.

A. The lack of wholeness that you [[experience]] will surely be nonexistent if you continue doing what you are doing now. You must [[realize]] these things take [[time]]. You will not eliminate the deficiencies in your life overnight. I would ask a question in regards to [[forgiveness]] of others. Is your inability to [[forgive]] [[motivated]] by [[hate]]? If the answer to that question is yes, then you must [[decide]] how quickly you can eliminate this [[poison]] from your [[mind]]; for I tell you [[hate]], [[anger]], is a [[poison]]. It has no room in a spiritually [[enlightened]] [[mind]]. Do not [[expect]] yourself to be able to eliminate this [[poison]] overnight, but do [[expect]] yourself to try. That is what I want you all to do.

Q. I don't feel like I've experienced this hate unless I'm just not being honest about that. It's been more of a sense of hurt. This person was someone who was very, very important in my life; and had a big influence, and still really in some ways, does. So it was more hurt that that person couldn't accept my forgiveness and then help me, give me some support in solving my present issues.

Q. I don't feel like I've [[experienced]] this [[hate]] unless I'm just not being [[honest]] about that. It's been more of a sense of hurt. This [[person]] was someone who was very, very important in my life; and had a big [[influence]], and still really in some ways, does. So it was more hurt that that [[person]] couldn't accept my [[forgiveness]] and then help me, give me some [[support]] in solving my present issues.

A. You cannot be responsible for someone accepting your forgiveness. You can forgive. It is up to them to allow themself to accept your forgiveness. I understand the problems that this at times creates in their lack of desire to interact with you in a way that you would hope they would because of your forgiveness. Unfortunately, it is not always a two-way street in this regard. But, for yourself, you have done what you must do and that is to forgive them. Also think in terms of how it would be if the shoe were on the other foot. If you do this, then maybe that will help you understand more about your own inabilities to forgive or to understand their lack of understanding of your forgiveness.

A. You cannot be [[responsible]] for someone accepting your [[forgiveness]]. You can forgive. It is up to them to allow themself to [[accept]] your forgiveness. I [[understand]] the problems that this at times creates in their lack of [[desire]] to [[interact]] with you in a way that you would [[hope]] they would because of your [[forgiveness]]. Unfortunately, it is not always a two-way street in this regard. But, for yourself, you have done what you must do and that is to [[forgive]] them. Also think in terms of how it would be if the shoe were on the other foot. If you do this, then maybe that will help you [[understand]] more about your own inabilities to forgive or to [[understand]] their lack of understanding of your [[forgiveness]].

Q. I think some of today's counseling can just set us up for things that aren't realistic in the spiritual perspective, and I think this has been real helpful. I think I've been at war with different advice I've gotten versus what feels right and this has been real helpful. Thank you.

Q. I think some of today's [[counseling]] can just set us up for things that aren't realistic in the [[spiritual]] [[perspective]], and I think this has been real helpful. I think I've been at [[war]] with different [[advice]] I've gotten versus what feels right and this has been real helpful. Thank you.

A. Your psychologists and psychiatrists of the day would greatly benefit the race if they would bring an intelligent and loving concept of our Father into their practice.

A. Your [[psychologists]] and psychiatrists of the day would greatly benefit the race if they would bring an [[intelligent]] and loving [[concept]] of [[our Father]] into their [[practice]].

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