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==Facilitators==
==Facilitators==
===Teacher: [[Rayson]]===
===Teacher: [[Rayson]]===
===TR: [[Gerdean]]===
===TR: [[Unknown]]===
==Session (on '''Soul''')==
==Session 1==
===Lesson===
===Lesson===
I would like to explain that the lesson tonight, which Prince MELCHIZEDEK has planned for you, is another lesson on the Mystery Monitor as this Divinity affects and creates your emerging soul. However, (T/R) is nervous - not settled correctly and so we have decided to split this lesson which is quite important for you to grasp, into two sections. Prince MELCHIZEDEK's lesson was one, but we have permission to do half this evening and half next meeting. I just wish to explain that it is not a criticism judgment of (T/R) or of your ability to understand, so with your gracious permission I will pass on to you this wonderful lesson prepared by our beloved Prince MACHIVENTA.
I would like to [[explain]] that the lesson tonight, which [[Machiventa|Prince Melchizedek]] has [[planned]] for you, is another lesson on the [[Mystery Monitor]] as this [[Divinity]] affects and creates your emerging [[soul]]. However, ([[T/R]]) is [[nervous]] - not settled correctly and so we have [[decided]] to split this lesson which is quite important for you to grasp, into two sections. Prince Melchizedek's lesson was one, but we have [[permission]] to do half this evening and half next meeting. I just [[wish]] to [[explain]] that it is not a [[criticism]] judgment of ([[T/R]]) or of your ability to [[understand]], so with your [[gracious]] permission I will pass on to you this [[wonderful]] lesson [[prepared]] by our beloved [[Planetary Prince|Prince Machiventa]].
===='''''[[Soul]]''''', '''''[[Mind]]''''', '''''[[Free will]]'''''====
What, children, is a [[soul]]? Such a [[simple]] sounding [[word]], a word which little [[children]] know, and yet such a [[profound]] [[concept]] - even a [[miraculous]], [[growing]], living thing in our midst. As we have [[discussed]], in every [[human]] will-[[creature]] of [[normal]] mind lives a [[Father Fragment]], the Divine Indwelling Monitor. What then, is the [[soul]]? Simply put it is the [[creation]], the child of the [[Divine]] [[Father]] and the [[human]] [[mother]]. How does this [[soul]] evolve? The [[Adjuster]] comes to live when the [[human]] makes their first [[moral]] [[decision]]. The [[soul]] is born at that [[moment]]. To [[understand]] this [[miracle]] we must first [[analyze]] or understand that [[mind]]. Let me [[explain]].
The [[conscious]] [[mind]] of the human is divided into [[three]] segments. Higher mind is not usually in [[human]] [[consciousness]], but it is the [[Adjuster]], higher mind, [[Divinity]]. The [[animal]] lower mind, the [[electrochemical]] [[impulses]], the [[body]], is also largely not [[conscious]]. In the middle is the [[conscious]] [[human]] [[mind]], resting on the uncertain rocky and [[explosive]] bed of the [[electro]]-[[chemical]] lower mind and reaching up, extending to the midst of the [[Divine]]. In the arena of conscious human mind is where the [[decisions]] are made, influenced by the [[Thought Adjuster|Divine pilot]], which gives [[birth]] to and in [[essence]] creates the evolving [[morontia soul]].[[ Free-will]] of the [[creature]] is always [[paramount]], tantamount to all. [[The Adjuster]] does not [[manipulate]], [[dictate]], tell, or in any way [[dominate]] the human will. It is in the arena of [[choice]], the middle mind that the [[soul]] [[grows]]. How does this happen? The [[Adjuster]] [[influences]].
As the [[human]] [[Free will|will]] is [[consecrated]] with a conscious [[decision]] to the Divine will, the [[Adjuster]]'s [[influence]] increases and you can more [[clearly]] hear and [[do the will of the Father]]. Thus the [[soul]] evolves. The [[miracle]] is, children, that even on this [[material]] plane, you can [[achieve]] the [[morontial]]. Do you truly grasp this [[concept]]? Your [[evolving soul]] is [[morontial]]. The more you are [[in line]] with the will of the Divine [[adjuster]]; the more you will actually live the [[morontial]] on [[this planet]]. Before [[death]] or [[translation]], the [[soul]] can only reach a [[morontial]] [[stage]]. After [[death]] and [[repersonalization]], the [[soul]] is more readily replacing the [[human]], purely human, will. After [[fusion]], of course, [[survival]] is [[assured]]. This [[morontial]] child within all of you will [[grow]] [[stronger]] in time. The [[mind]] is the [[soil]] from which the [[soul]] grows. The [[mind]] of the [[human]] where will resides determines the [[rate]] of [[soul growth]]. But, my [[brothers and sisters]] know this, the mercy of the Lord. It does not matter if you do not [[comprehend]] [[God]]. It matters only that you [[wish]] to comprehend God. It does not matter that you do not [[recognize]] fully [[truth, beauty or goodness]]. It matters only that you wish to [[recognize]] truth, beauty, goodness. Every day that you live you grow closer to [[actualizing]] and comprehending the [[Divine]]. And this is what is causing your [[soul]] to [[evolve]] and expand: the [[human mind]]. Simply: [[material]], lower mind; [[morontial]], middle mind; [[spiritual]], Divine, higher [[Adjuster]] mind. You can [[achieve]] a [[morontial]] outlook in a [[material]] body. That is your [[soul]]. Regrettably I will end this part of the lesson for now, but I [[promise]] you that next week it will blow your [[mind]]. ([[Laughter]].)
===Dialogue===
===Dialogue===
Q: When you discuss the three levels of mind, how do they relate to the Infinite Mother Spirit and that mind?
Q: When you discuss the [[three]] levels of [[mind]], how do they relate to the Infinite [[Mother Spirit]] and that [[mind]]?
A: That is an excellent question. Mind, human mind, mid-mind, must be prepared to receive the Adjuster. It must have the seven Adjutant Mind Spirits, have attained the seven levels of Adjutant Mind Spirits, which are the gifts of Divine Mother and her spirit. Therefore, Divine Mother is the Deity, which prepares mid-mind for the bestowal of the Adjuster. Also, as mid-mind works with the Divine mind, Mother Spirit is working in mid-mind to help the child of time hear the Divine. The human mind is capable of greatness, of eternity perfection. But the choices are your own. You, the human will, may turn the mind, mid-mind, away from the Adjuster into sin, evil, even into non-survival. It is the arena, more so than the Adjuster, of the Mother Spirit, which offsets these lower impulses.
A: That is an excellent question. Mind, human mind, mid-mind, must be [[prepared]] to receive the [[Adjuster]]. It must have the seven [[Adjutant Mind Spirits]], have [[attained]] the seven levels of Adjutant Mind Spirits, which are the gifts of [[Divine Mother]] and her spirit. Therefore, [[Divine Mother]] is the [[Deity]], which [[prepares]] mid-mind for the [[bestowal]] of the [[Adjuster]]. Also, as mid-mind works with the Divine mind, [[Mother Spirit]] is working in mid-mind to help the child of time hear the [[Divine]]. The [[human mind]] is capable of greatness, of [[eternity]] [[perfection]]. But the [[choices]] are your own. You, the human will, may turn the [[mind]], mid-mind, away from the [[Adjuster]] into [[sin]], [[evil]], even into non-survival. It is the arena, more so than the [[Adjuster]], of the [[Mother Spirit]], which offsets these lower [[impulses]].
Q: Do the impulses, the negative impulses that you are discussing come from the lower mind, the human electro-magnetic impulses, and if that which you try to fight with is the mid-mind, with the help of the Mother Spirit and the Adjutant Mind Spirit?
Q: Do the [[impulses]], the [[negative]] impulses that you are [[discussing]] come from the lower mind, the human [[electro]]-magnetic impulses, and if that which you try to fight with is the mid-mind, with the help of the [[Mother Spirit]] and the [[Adjutant Mind Spirit]]?
A: Some come from the lower mind. Yes. Some come from character flaws.
A: Some come from the lower mind. Yes. Some come from character [[flaws]].
Q: Where does a character flaw reside if not in the mid-mind?
Q: Where does a [[character]] [[flaw]] reside if not in the mid-mind?
A: You are not created in perfection; therefore it is the will of The FATHER to create within you rungs on the ladder of spiritual evolution. These rungs are your faults. Your feet climb it at your will, and your destination is God the Perfect.
A: You are not created in [[perfection]]; therefore it is the will of [[The Father]] to create within you rungs on the ladder of [[spiritual evolution]]. These rungs are your [[faults]]. Your feet climb it at your will, and your [[destination]] is [[God]] the Perfect.
===='''''[[Resurrection]]'''''====
Q: Where does the [[soul]] go when the [[brain]] dies, when the human mind dies?
A: The [[soul]] is [[shepherd]]ed to the [[mansion worlds]] by your [[guardian seraphim]] where it is reunited with the [[Adjuster]] and [[personality]] of the [[human]].
Q: So if a [[person]]'s mental [[capacity]], through either [[disease]] or illness or old age deteriorates and becomes no longer able to [[function]] on a [[spiritual]] level, that person's [[soul]] and [[Thought Adjuster]] wait in the [[Mansion worlds]] until the [[body]] dies and the [[personality]] is [[resurrected]]?
Q: So if a person's mental capacity, through either disease or illness or old age deteriorates and becomes no longer able to function on a spiritual level, that person's soul and Thought Adjuster wait in the Mansion worlds until the body dies and the personality is resurrected?
A: That is absolutely correct.
A: That is absolutely correct.
===='''''[[Personality]]'''''====
Q: Rayson, you spoke of the [[mind]] being the arena of [[choice]], the [[conscious]] mind. Is the will that makes this [[choice]] a [[function]] of the [[personality]]? Is it [[identical]] to the [[personality]]?
A: No, not identical. But it is a [[personality]] [[function]]. Your personalities are incomplete in your present [[form]]. Your personality will become, or your [[soul]] will become your [[personality]] on the [[Mansion Worlds]].
Q: Well, I'm a little [[confused]]. We are told that [[personality]] is one gift of [[The Father]] and is an unchanging [[attribute]] or [[entity]].
A: But you have not [[attained]] it fully, yet.
Q: Just as we have a piece of [[The Father]] living within us yet we are not [[communicating]] with Him fully yet, is it similar to that?
A: Your [[personality]] is [[bestowed]], but you have not [[grown]] into it fully yet. Your [[personality]] will be seen more clearly in the [[morontial]] because it is more fully seen. It is your [[soul]]; it will become your [[soul]].
Q: Well what is this thing that does the [[choosing]]?
A: Will. It is human [[Free will|will]]. It is a part of [[personality]] [[bestowal]], but it is not synonymous with personality. There are times when you may [[choose]] to follow higher mind. Other times your choice will be not so evolved. You are the same [[personality]] but your will varies.
Q: When the [[impulses]] of the lower mind, the [[electro]]-magnetic and [[chemical]] make up our [[mind]], weighs on us too much and we fall prey to it with [[anxiety]] or [[fear]] or even chemical imbalances or whatever, will [[appealing]] to the higher mind offset that, or will we just [[learn]] to live with that? Is there a way to reach a [[balance]] again in an unbalanced lower mind by appealing to the higher mind?
A: The [[balance]] will be achieved by your [[choices]]. Even though [[impulses]] may be [[strong]] and sometimes irresistible, you can [[choose]] in mid-mind not to [[act]]. This is [[balance]].
Q: Though we [[choose]] not to [[act]], which in [[essence]] is the best thing possible in a situation where your lower [[impulses]] are strongly affecting you, will the [[choice]] not to act constitute more [[soul growth]], and will that help ease the [[struggle]]? Is there a way to ease the struggle against the lower mind impulses?
A: Yes. The more the [[human]] [[Free will|will]] chooses the higher road, the easier it becomes, because you make [[spiritual progress]] - as we [[discussed]], [[Seven Psychic Circles|circles]] progress, last meeting. Also, [[soul growth]] and the reality of the [[morontial]] is actually put into [[practice]] and lived here on the [[material]] level. But you must [[choose]]. Starting as a [[child]] [[learns]] to walk, you fall, stumble, but you must get up again and take those few steps. Even when one has mastered walking there is running. ([[Laughter]])
Q: RAYSON, The [[Urantia Book]] says that after forty years old the [[adjuster]] is like a [[Thought Controller|controller]]. Does that mean that the mid-mind is used in some other way?
A: No, it just means that mid-mind had become more [[adept]] at hearing the [[Divine]] mind. It also means that the [[experience]] of the [[human]] has tempered the will with [[wisdom]] and evolved higher [[values]]. So [[choices]] are at a higher spiritual level and the [[adjuster]] has a bigger field to plant [[seeds]] in.
==Session 2==
A: No, it just means that mid-mind had become more adept at hearing the Divine mind. It also means that the experience of the human has tempered the will with wisdom and evolved higher values. So choices are at a higher spiritual level and the adjuster has a bigger field to plant seeds in.
*(02/17/92)
==Session 2 (on '''Soul''')==
(02/17/92) Lesson II on Soul:
===Opening===
===Opening===
This is a continuation of our study on the Divine Mystery Monitors. What we are focusing on this day is the relationship of your evolving morontia soul to the fragment of The FATHER, which indwells each of you.
This is a continuation of our [[study]] on the Divine [[Mystery Monitors]]. What we are [[focusing]] on this day is the [[relationship]] of your evolving [[morontia soul]] to [[the fragment]] of [[The Father]], which indwells each of you.
===Lesson===
===Lesson===
To quickly review, as we learned last week, the Adjuster indwells the higher mind of man. The material mind is the soil upon which the Adjuster plants Divine seeds: spiritual realities and concepts. Lower mind is your purely instinctual, physical, subconscious nature. The soul is the morontial child of the prompting of the adjuster in conjunction - wedlock - with the decisions made from free-will choice in the conscious mid-mind realm. Personality, which is a gift of The FATHER at birth, also resides in mid-mind while you are in this material body. But it is much more identified with the morontia life after death or translation when the soul develops will, and can more consciously align itself with personality-Adjuster consciousness. Man is conscious only of will. As one progresses spiritually and through time in this physical state, it becomes easier to get a glimpse of the spiritual leading of The FATHER fragment. However, your task, brothers and sisters, should be thus: to consecrate your human will to the doing of The FATHER's will. If one does this in a positive way, one is assured of eternal survival. Not now, but eons from now, you will surely stand in the presence of the First Source and Center from whence your fragment came. It is not so much your task to fully understand the Divine, but only to wish to understand God. It is not so much your task to be Godlike as to wish to do the will of God, and - in eternity - you, too, will attain Divinity.
===='''''[[Soul]]'''''====
To quickly review, as we learned last week, the [[Adjuster]] indwells the [[higher mind]] of man. The [[material]] mind is the [[soil]] upon which the [[Adjuster]] plants Divine [[seeds]]: spiritual [[realities]] and [[concepts]]. Lower mind is your purely [[instinctual]], [[physical]], [[subconscious]] nature. The [[soul]] is the [[morontial]] child of the prompting of the [[adjuster]] in conjunction - wedlock - with the [[decisions]] made from [[free-will]] choice in the [[conscious]] mid-mind realm. [[Personality]], which is a gift of [[The Father]] at [[birth]], also resides in mid-mind while you are in this [[material]] body. But it is much more [[identified]] with the [[morontia]] life after [[death]] or [[Fusion|translation]] when the [[soul]] develops will, and can more consciously [[align]] itself with [[personality]]-[[Adjuster]] [[consciousness]]. Man is conscious only of [[Free will|will]]. As one [[progresses]] spiritually and through time in this [[physical]] state, it becomes easier to get a [[glimpse]] of the spiritual [[leading]] of The [[Father fragment]]. However, your task, [[brothers and sisters]], should be thus: to [[consecrate]] your human will to the [[doing of the Father's will]]. If one does this in a [[positive]] way, one is [[assured]] of [[eternal]] [[survival]]. Not now, but [[eons]] from now, you will surely stand in the [[presence]] of the [[First Source and Center]] from whence your fragment came. It is not so much your task to fully [[understand]] the [[Divine]], but only to [[wish]] to understand [[God]]. It is not so much your [[task]] to be Godlike as to wish to [[do the will of God]], and - in [[eternity]] - you, too, will [[attain]] [[Divinity]].
Day by day as you live your life, study your choices and consciously become aware of choosing higher, ever-higher values and climbing toward God. Unfortunately your great struggle, brothers and sisters, is with your dual nature. You are physically a part of nature. You are animal in origin. But there exists within your mind the Divine. And you have the ability, potential, to transcend nature, the material, and exist in the realm of the spirit. This is a conflict. It is personality, which integrates this conflict. Let me try to explain further. How difficult it is to be a finite being with an infinite piece of Divinity. It is unbalancing. Those mortals who do manage to transcend the baser material realm also are prone to other pitfalls: pride, ego, and self-satisfaction. It is a balance that one must achieve. There is nothing wrong or inherently sinful, evil, in the infinite temporal material state. To the contrary, it is a creation of the eternal Sons and Daughters and is good.
===='''''[[Balance]]'''''====
Day by day as you live your life, [[study]] your [[choices]] and consciously become [[aware]] of choosing higher, ever-higher [[values]] and climbing toward [[God]]. Unfortunately your great [[struggle]], [[brothers and sisters]], is with your [[dual]] nature. You are [[physically]] a part of [[nature]]. You are [[animal]] in [[origin]]. But there exists within your [[mind]] the [[Divine]]. And you have the [[ability]], potential, to [[transcend]] nature, the [[material]], and exist in the realm of the [[spirit]]. This is a [[conflict]]. It is [[personality]], which [[integrates]] this [[conflict]]. Let me try to [[explain]] further. How [[difficult]] it is to be a [[finite]] being with an [[infinite]] piece of [[Divinity]]. It is unbalancing. Those [[mortals]] who do [[manage]] to [[transcend]] the baser [[material]] realm also are prone to other pitfalls: [[pride]], [[ego]], and [[self]]-[[satisfaction]]. It is a [[balance]] that one must [[achieve]]. There is nothing wrong or [[inherently]] [[sinful]], [[evil]], in the infinite [[temporal]] [[material]] state. To the [[contrary]], it is a [[creation]] of the eternal [[Creator Son|Sons]] and [[Mother Spirit|Daughters]] and is [[good]].
It is what you do with this state by your will decisions that determine your destruction or survival. Rest assured that even amongst us in this room, as we ponder the cosmic insanity of destruction - non-survival, each of us, myself included, runs the risk of that choice until we fuse with the Divine. So, although it is hard to project, understand, the destructive nature of man it is a true reality risk and is determined in the tiny choices of everyday life, children. This is what you must become more aware of. No human is born evil. Rather does the will of the human twist the mind choices until evil is embraced. Your soul is but a shadow of the real you. It is being created for your next life, not for this one. But even in this material life here on this planet your soul is developing awareness, awareness of the Adjuster and the human personality. Just as the Adjuster, of course, is aware of his soul - his child, the soul - the human personality will become more aware of the evolving morontia self. The mind ideates; it thinks. It deals on an intellectual realm of facts.
===='''''[[Free will]]'''''====
It is what you do with this state by your will [[decisions]] that determine your destruction or [[survival]]. Rest [[assured]] that even amongst us in this room, as we [[ponder]] the cosmic [[insanity]] of destruction - non-survival, each of us, myself included, runs the [[risk]] of that [[choice]] until we [[fuse]] with the [[Divine]]. So, although it is hard to [[project]], [[understand]], the destructive nature of man it is a true reality [[risk]] and is determined in the tiny [[choices]] of everyday life, children. This is what you must become more [[aware]] of. No human is [[born]] [[evil]]. Rather does the will of the [[human]] twist the mind [[choices]] until [[evil]] is [[embraced]]. Your [[soul]] is but a [[shadow]] of the real you. It is being created for your [[Afterlife|next life]], not for this one. But even in this [[material]] life here on [[this planet]] your [[soul]] is developing [[awareness]], awareness of the [[Adjuster]] and the human [[personality]]. Just as the Adjuster, of course, is aware of his [[soul]] - his child, the soul - the human [[personality]] will become more aware of the evolving [[morontia self]]. The [[mind]] ideates; it [[thinks]]. It deals on an [[intellectual]] realm of [[facts]].
The Spirit, The FATHER, is truth eternal, absolute. The soul feels. Please let me emphasize the feelingness of the soul. It is the difference between scientific knowledge and true values. The soul deals in the realm of values, and the will can force ever higher and increasing awareness of ever more spiritual values: truth, beauty, goodness, and love, Godlikeness. You grow more Godly.
The Spirit, the Father, is [[truth]] [[eternal]], [[absolute]]. The [[soul]] [[feels]]. Please let me [[emphasize]] the feelingness of the [[soul]]. It is the [[difference]] between [[scientific]] [[knowledge]] and true [[values]]. The [[soul]] deals in the realm of [[values]], and the will can force ever higher and increasing [[awareness]] of ever more [[spiritual]] values: [[truth, beauty, goodness]], and [[love]], Godlikeness. You [[grow]] more Godly.
===='''''[[Human Condition]]''''', '''''[[Inner Life]]'''''====
The human condition is a delicate balance between uncertainty and security: the uncertainty of what lies ahead; the security of the love, mercy, and Divine compassion of Deity; the uncertainty as a newly ascendent child of God; the certainty, security, that one day you will stand in the presence of the Creator, Himself. This is the human struggle. But make not the mistake to live only on the material plane. This is one of the greatest dangers of this age, children. A society that dwells only on the material level is doomed to extinction. Because man has these opposing natures there is the potential for conflict. The conflicts we see in nations, societies, the world wars, poverty, prejudice, bigotry, oppression, unfairness of every kind, have at their root the inner conflict between the spiritual and base natures, the dual nature, of man. There is also a risk of inner civil war in such a diverse being. Inner civil war, conflict causes you to lose the peace that MICHAEL promised you, the sublime peace that transcends understanding, causes you to lose touch with spiritual realities, causes much wasted effort and a cut off from spiritual help. While you cannot control the world, the environment you can control the inner life of yourself, the inner man or woman. In this inner life are the decisions of eternity created. This is the source of all creativity. And if you approach life not from the outer material world, but bring to the world the inner nature of man, the creative force which stems from The FATHER, Himself, you will make a difference in the world, but most of all in yourselves, in your ascent Godward. This is the important fact to grasp. Even with the strife, anxiety, uncertainty, poor genetic make up, lust sinfulness, slothfulness, poverty, prejudice, bigotry, hatefulness, lack of God consciousness on this planet, many, many, many, many of your mortals do ascend and fuse. This is the great miracle of the Adjuster, children. When you look around at the world or at your own individual lives and get discouraged, depressed, despairing, remember that out of such seeming inhospitable soil have sprung many souls whose eternal life is assured. From these very conditions and worse, children, as you will see - will spring the chorus of ascending mortals. And that, children, is your destiny if you so choose it.
The [[human condition]] is a delicate [[balance]] between [[uncertainty]] and [[security]]: the uncertainty of what lies ahead; the security of the [[love]], [[mercy]], and Divine [[compassion]] of Deity; the uncertainty as a newly ascendent child of God; the [[certainty]], [[security]], that one day you will stand in the [[presence]] of the [[Creator]], Himself. This is the [[human]] [[struggle]]. But make not the mistake to live only on the [[material]] plane. This is one of the greatest [[dangers]] of this [[age]], children. A [[society]] that dwells only on the [[material]] level is [[doomed]] to [[extinction]]. Because man has these [[opposing]] [[natures]] there is the [[potential]] for [[conflict]]. The conflicts we see in [[nations]], societies, the world [[wars]], [[poverty]], [[prejudice]], [[bigotry]], oppression, unfairness of every kind, have at their [[root]] the inner [[conflict]] between the [[spiritual]] and base natures, the [[dual]] nature, of man. There is also a risk of inner civil war in such a [[diverse]] being. Inner civil war, [[conflict]] causes you to lose the [[peace]] that Michael [[promised]] you, the [[sublime]] [[peace]] that [[transcends]] understanding, causes you to lose [[touch]] with spiritual [[realities]], causes much wasted [[effort]] and a cut off from spiritual help. While you cannot [[control]] the world, the [[environment]] you can control the [[inner life]] of yourself, the inner man or woman. In this [[inner life]] are the [[decisions]] of [[eternity]] created. This is the [[source]] of all [[creativity]]. And if you approach life not from the outer [[material]] world, but bring to the world the inner nature of man, the [[creative]] [[force]] which stems from [[the Father]] Himself, you will make a [[difference]] in the world, but most of all in yourselves, in your ascent [[Godward]]. This is the important [[fact]] to grasp. Even with the strife, [[anxiety]], uncertainty, poor genetic make up, [[lust]] sinfulness, [[slothfulness]], [[poverty]], [[prejudice]], [[bigotry]], [[Hate|hatefulness]], lack of [[God consciousness]] on [[this planet]], many, many, many, many of your [[mortals]] do [[ascend]] and [[fuse]]. This is the great [[miracle]] of the [[Adjuster]], children. When you look around at the world or at your own [[individual]] lives and get [[discouraged]], depressed, despairing, remember that out of such seeming inhospitable [[soil]] have sprung many [[souls]] whose [[eternal]] life is [[assured]]. From these very conditions and worse, children, as you will see - will spring the [[chorus]] of [[ascending mortals]]. And that, children, is your [[destiny]] if you so [[choose]] it.
===Dialogue===
===Dialogue===
Q: I get confused about the desire to expand my soul and live in my soul, and seek other souls, and you are saying that the soul is for the next life. I feel such a desire for it here and now that I am wondering if that is dangerous somehow, or negative?
===='''''[[Asceticsm]]'''''====
Q: I get [[confused]] about the [[desire]] to expand my [[soul]] and live in my [[soul]], and seek other souls, and you are saying that the soul is for the next life. I feel such a [[desire]] for it here and now that I am [[wondering]] if that is [[dangerous]] somehow, or [[negative]]?
A: No. You are simply confusing terms. You feel a desire to know the personality, which will be spiritual, of your fellows. When you are on the Mansion worlds, the personality and the soul are evidenced together and as you ascend, both become fused on the spirit level with the Adjuster. Your soul is evolving now and therefore it is difficult to be your soul because you are not - you are physical. The Morontial, the soul, is a small part of you which you and The FATHER are creating as co-parents.
A: No. You are simply [[confusing]] [[terms]]. You feel a [[desire]] to know the [[personality]], which will be [[spiritual]], of your fellows. When you are on the [[Mansion worlds]], the [[personality]] and the [[soul]] are [[evidenced]] [[together]] and as you [[ascend]], both become [[fused]] on the spirit level with the [[Adjuster]]. Your [[Evolving soul|soul is evolving]] now and therefore it is [[difficult]] to be your [[soul]] because you are not - you are [[physical]]. The [[Morontial]], the [[soul]], is a small part of you which you and [[The Father]] are creating as co-parents.
Q: What about people who forego the material existence while they are here, who try very hard to communicate with God and give up the world to do it? Priests, or monks or holy men. Is that something to be desired? That kind of attitude here?
Q: What about people who forego the [[material]] existence while they are here, who try very hard to [[communicate]] with [[God]] and give up the world to do it? [[Priests]], or [[monks]] or holy men. Is that something to be [[desired]]? That kind of [[attitude]] here?
A: I will generalize, and it is not set in stone. But no, it is not to be desired, because the gift you give to your Adjuster is experience in the world. To skip that is to open the door to many problems of ego and pride. And the goal is not to forego the material but to live with it and transcend it in your area of free-will choice. To live in the world but not of it was the great accomplishment of JESUS.
A: I will generalize, and it is not set in stone. But no, it is not to be [[desired]], because the gift you give to your [[Adjuster]] is [[experience]] in the world. To skip that is to open the door to many [[problems]] of [[ego]] and [[pride]]. And the goal is not to forego the [[material]] but to live with it and [[transcend]] it in your area of [[free-will]] choice. To live in the world but not of it was the great accomplishment of [[Jesus]].
Q: You said something at one point about the will. It was almost as if it was a separate thing from us. Is the will completely from an animal level or it is it from personality?
Q: You said something at one point about the [[Free will|will]]. It was almost as if it was a [[separate]] thing from us. Is the will completely from an [[animal]] level or it is it from [[personality]]?
A. Personality exercises dominate will choice on this level but the will is the offspring of the conscious human mind, mid-mind. It is your only area of control or choice. You cannot effectively influence other things: your body, material world, the Adjuster. But you can exert influence and growth through will in the material conscious mid-mind.
A. [[Personality]] exercises [[dominate]] will choice on this level but the will is the offspring of the [[conscious]] human [[mind]], mid-mind. It is your only area of [[control]] or choice. You cannot effectively [[influence]] other things: your [[body]], [[material]] world, the [[Adjuster]]. But you can exert [[influence]] and [[growth]] through will in the [[material]] [[conscious]] mid-mind.
Q: How do we develop the soul while we're in our mortal condition? It seems to us from reading The Urantia Book that the exercise of the soul is what helps to build it. Just as physical exercise would help to build the body, experience helps to build the soul. Is that correct?
Q: How do we [[develop]] the [[soul]] while we're in our [[mortal]] condition? It seems to us from reading The [[Urantia Book]] that the [[exercise]] of the [[soul]] is what helps to build it. Just as [[physical]] exercise would help to build the [[body]], experience helps to build the [[soul]]. Is that correct?
A: Experience, and how one chooses to react to this experience. You have the choice, will, to react positively in the mid-mind. Much latitude is there. For a while an experience might appear tragic. You have the ability to see the spiritual reality behind the material tragedy and to live in that realm of love, survival, and spiritual growth. . ..
A: [[Experience]], and how one chooses to [[react]] to this experience. You have the [[choice]], will, to react positively in the mid-mind. Much [[latitude]] is there. For a while an [[experience]] might appear [[tragic]]. You have the ability to see the spiritual [[reality]] behind the [[material]] [[tragedy]] and to live in that realm of [[love]], [[survival]], and [[spiritual growth]]. . ..
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Q: Page 1205 of The [[Urantia Book]] says "[[Adjusters]] are [[devoted]] to building up [[spiritual]] [[counterparts]] of your [[careers]], [[morontia]] transcripts of your true advancing [[self]]."([[110:2 Adjusters and Human Will|110:2.3]]) What is meant by [[counterparts]]?
A: For example, you may have a [[human]] [[understanding]] - [[analysis]] of a situation where you were [[disappointed]] or hurt, and it might be [[remembered]] by you as a sad or [[humiliating]] [[experience]]. Your [[Adjuster]] may have a completely [[different]] [[interpretation]] - record of that. He registers your [[soul growth]] through [[disappointments]], the [[progress]] you have made in your [[understanding]] of [[experiential]] [[difficulties]], the [[spiritual progress]] as you broaden your [[value]] to higher [[meanings]] and this day, incident, might be recorded as your [[victory]] with a [[feeling]] of success - achievement on the part of the [[Adjuster]]. There are different [[realities]] for creatures so far from the [[spirit]]. What you [[think]] of as [[defeat]] is probably your highest [[illumination]].
Q: Carrying through on this, would it be correct to say that which is counter-parted is [[real]] and will exist and that which is not is unreal and will pass on?
Q: Carrying through on this, would it be correct to say that which is counter-parted is real and will exist and that which is not is unreal and will pass on?
A: Absolutely, that is correct.
A: Absolutely, that is correct.
*(02/22/92)
(02/22/92)
Q: In the [[relationship]] between people - between [[personalities]] that you were talking about, what is the optimum way of relating to other people that would [[achieve]] the best [[soul growth]]? For instance, the [[motive]], does that make any [[difference]]? Or the [[truth]] of how you are relating to that [[person]], how does that make any difference in the [[growth]] of your [[soul]]?
Q: In the relationship between people - between personalities that you were talking about, what is the optimum way of relating to other people that would achieve the best soul growth? For instance, the motive, does that make any difference? Or the truth of how you are relating to that person, how does that make any difference in the growth of your soul?
A: That is a deceptively simple question with much complexity. The optimum is to love one another. But this is not realistic, for to love one's fellows truly you must understand them. Understanding begins when we place the spiritual ahead of the ego. So, the realization that we are one family created by one FATHER is essential, not just in terms of lip service, but in terms of true service to one's brothers and sisters. Mota is not that significant. It is the quality of the interaction. You will always experience imperfections in yourself, annoyances, impatience, and conflict. These are a part of your imperfect state. How one-what one does determines a realistic goal of relating to others. JESUS said "turn the other cheek." I am not as adept as our Creator-Brother-FATHER, but I would say sometimes the highest good in terms of personality relationships is avoidance if one is not evolved enough to come from a place of highest values with another being. The sincere commitment to understand is important in terms of perspective: the spiritual rather than the "me." But it will be impossible to remove the ego, but remember it is not instinctual. Personality - I mean ego is instinctual, animal, but personality can break that stimulus response. For example, if one is physically struck, the animal will fight or flight. The spiritual intervention of personality might cause a different reaction. The highest would be to allow The FATHER to be seen in your relationships with others, for you to reflect and embody His perfect qualities of love, mercy, patience, wisdom, truth, beauty, and goodness. Partially these can be attained by you, and not always consistently, but that would be the ideal.
A: That is a deceptively simple question with much complexity. The optimum is to love one another. But this is not realistic, for to love one's fellows truly you must understand them. Understanding begins when we place the spiritual ahead of the ego. So, the realization that we are one family created by one FATHER is essential, not just in terms of lip service, but in terms of true service to one's brothers and sisters. Mota is not that significant. It is the quality of the interaction. You will always experience imperfections in yourself, annoyances, impatience, and conflict. These are a part of your imperfect state. How one-what one does determines a realistic goal of relating to others. JESUS said "turn the other cheek." I am not as adept as our Creator-Brother-FATHER, but I would say sometimes the highest good in terms of personality relationships is avoidance if one is not evolved enough to come from a place of highest values with another being. The sincere commitment to understand is important in terms of perspective: the spiritual rather than the "me." But it will be impossible to remove the ego, but remember it is not instinctual. Personality - I mean ego is instinctual, animal, but personality can break that stimulus response. For example, if one is physically struck, the animal will fight or flight. The spiritual intervention of personality might cause a different reaction. The highest would be to allow The FATHER to be seen in your relationships with others, for you to reflect and embody His perfect qualities of love, mercy, patience, wisdom, truth, beauty, and goodness. Partially these can be attained by you, and not always consistently, but that would be the ideal.
