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So one of the things (there were many) that I actually mentioned at the time was that I [[thought]] I was an impatient [[person]] and I wanted to [[grow]] in my [[patience]] with other people and with myself and all that stuff. Boy, you just ask [[Welmek]] the right thing and he just kind of goes off and gives you a job to do. So my job was on [[patience]] and impatience. If you guys don't mind, I'll kind of keep it as brief as I can. He asked me how I would help my child who was in an impatient situation, what I would do. I started off saying "Well, I'd just tell him to chill out." So of course he said, "Well, how would you [[define]] that?" (group [[laughter]]) So I told him it was like "[[Calm]] down and wait for things to get better." And basically he said "How can a [[child]] [[relax]] and allow [[time]] to run its [[course]]? How can they work hard each day before they [[realize]] the fruits of their [[work]]? Their [[frame of reference]] is limited, basically." And so we went from there. He said to help a child look at the situation from a larger [[picture]], help them to see themselves in a [[relationship]] to [[time]]. Help them to see what they want or wish to eliminate, yet can't do [[immediately]]. He said that you have to look at impatience in this way, in [[relation]] to [[time]]. So then he said this thing that I [[thought]] was kind of strange, which was "''Don't be impatient with impatience''." Now I'm not going to give you the whole thing, but I'll tell you what he said and I'll tell you what I [[understood]] he was saying and we'll kind of go from there, I guess. He said first one must [[understand]] what impatience means. I thought it meant wanting to [[change]] a situation [[immediately]]. He's saying, what about [[control]]? You know Welmek. So then I changed it to wanting to [[change]] the situation [[immediately]] without making any [[effort]]. He said that's true, yes, but in order to [[effect]] [[change]], you must have [[control]] and you must make an [[effort]]. Without effort, no change is made. Without [[control]], no change can be effectively made; and impatience occurs.

So one of the things (there were many) that I actually mentioned at the time was that I [[thought]] I was an impatient [[person]] and I wanted to [[grow]] in my [[patience]] with other people and with myself and all that stuff. Boy, you just ask [[Welmek]] the right thing and he just kind of goes off and gives you a job to do. So my job was on [[patience]] and impatience. If you guys don't mind, I'll kind of keep it as brief as I can. He asked me how I would help my child who was in an impatient situation, what I would do. I started off saying "Well, I'd just tell him to chill out." So of course he said, "Well, how would you [[define]] that?" (group [[laughter]]) So I told him it was like "[[Calm]] down and wait for things to get better." And basically he said "How can a [[child]] [[relax]] and allow [[time]] to run its [[course]]? How can they work hard each day before they [[realize]] the fruits of their [[work]]? Their [[frame of reference]] is limited, basically." And so we went from there. He said to help a child look at the situation from a larger [[picture]], help them to see themselves in a [[relationship]] to [[time]]. Help them to see what they want or wish to eliminate, yet can't do [[immediately]]. He said that you have to look at impatience in this way, in [[relation]] to [[time]]. So then he said this thing that I [[thought]] was kind of strange, which was "''Don't be impatient with impatience''." Now I'm not going to give you the whole thing, but I'll tell you what he said and I'll tell you what I [[understood]] he was saying and we'll kind of go from there, I guess. He said first one must [[understand]] what impatience means. I thought it meant wanting to [[change]] a situation [[immediately]]. He's saying, what about [[control]]? You know Welmek. So then I changed it to wanting to [[change]] the situation [[immediately]] without making any [[effort]]. He said that's true, yes, but in order to [[effect]] [[change]], you must have [[control]] and you must make an [[effort]]. Without effort, no change is made. Without [[control]], no change can be effectively made; and impatience occurs.

How do you guys like that? Are you following me? Or do you have to listen and read? I had to listen to it a couple of times. He says if there is no effective control, then you have impatience. [[Impatience]] is the lack of a human (and he did say, "anyone for that matter") to fully [[comprehend]] what it is they [[wish]] to [[change]]. If you wish to become more Godlike, then you must [[change]]. You must [[effect]] active [[change]] and [[control]] in your daily life in how you [[perceive]] [[God]]. That was an example.

How do you guys like that? Are you following me? Or do you have to listen and read? I had to listen to it a couple of times. He says if there is no effective control, then you have impatience. Impatience is the lack of a human (and he did say, "anyone for that matter") to fully [[comprehend]] what it is they [[wish]] to [[change]]. If you wish to become more Godlike, then you must [[change]]. You must [[effect]] active [[change]] and [[control]] in your daily life in how you [[perceive]] [[God]]. That was an example.

He said, "For you must first [[understand]] what it is to be [[changed]] and then know how to make an [[effective]] approach that will make this change permanent." And he said it takes time. Therefore, as you [[understand]] more fully what you mean by impatience, you begin to see that, indeed, [[time]] is an [[essential]] [[factor]] in the outworking of this [[change]]. And then, as you recognize that it takes more time, you will become more [[understanding]] and more resolved in your [[desire]] to make these changes; two, the [[recognition]] that it will require more time to make these [[changes]] and three, that these changes are wholly and [[consistently]] [[doing the will of the Father]].

He said, "For you must first [[understand]] what it is to be [[changed]] and then know how to make an [[effective]] approach that will make this change permanent." And he said it takes time. Therefore, as you [[understand]] more fully what you mean by impatience, you begin to see that, indeed, [[time]] is an [[essential]] [[factor]] in the outworking of this [[change]]. And then, as you recognize that it takes more time, you will become more [[understanding]] and more resolved in your [[desire]] to make these changes; two, the [[recognition]] that it will require more time to make these [[changes]] and three, that these changes are wholly and [[consistently]] [[doing the will of the Father]].

So that's pretty much where we were when I talked to him on Monday. Any [[questions]]?

So that's pretty much where we were when I talked to him on Monday. Any [[questions]]?

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

M: I have a comment. [[The text]] tells us that "Impatience is a [[spirit]] [[poison]]" and I know from my own [[experience]] that one of the [[factors]] that has been an [[impediment]] in a significant way for my spiritual bent is impatience. In hearing what you're having to say about it,Mary, I think that one thing that strikes me is the two things that I think apply to me, the [[recognition]] of [[time]] factor. I think I'm one of those persons that likes things to happen very quickly for me. And also [[effort]]. I think I'm also a person that likes to have things without having to put forth as much effort as it takes. I guess maybe I'm used to the fast food way of living, and I tend to use that as a basis for much of what takes place in my [[reality]]. I'm [[wondering]] if that's probably the way in which I'm just viewing my own [[spiritual advancement]], hoping that somehow or another I can just go out to McDonald's and pick up my [[spiritual advancement]], when we all know that in order for us to achieve anything worthwhile, it's going to require a lot of [[effort]] and it's going to take a lot of [[time]]. But that's all we have, isn't it?

M: I have a comment. [[The text]] tells us that "Impatience is a [[spirit]] [[poison]]" and I know from my own [[experience]] that one of the [[factors]] that has been an [[impediment]] in a significant way for my spiritual bent is impatience. In hearing what you're having to say about it,Mary, I think that one thing that strikes me is the two things that I think apply to me, the [[recognition]] of [[time]] factor. I think I'm one of those persons that likes things to happen very quickly for me. And also [[effort]]. I think I'm also a person that likes to have things without having to put forth as much effort as it takes. I guess maybe I'm used to the fast food way of living, and I tend to use that as a basis for much of what takes place in my [[reality]]. I'm [[wondering]] if that's probably the way in which I'm just viewing my own [[spiritual advancement]], hoping that somehow or another I can just go out to McDonald's and pick up my [[spiritual advancement]], when we all know that in order for us to achieve anything worthwhile, it's going to require a lot of [[effort]] and it's going to take a lot of [[time]]. But that's all we have, isn't it?