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Q: Except to blame Him.

Q: Except to blame Him.

Q: Right. But the point is, that's not His choice. His choice is to constantly just give that love. And I think that's what each of us have to do. We simply try to be in control, we try to do the best that we can. If I encounter someone, my job is to stay in control and to treat them as best that I can. If they don't accept that, I'm not walking away from them; they're walking away from the best that I can offer. If they don't want that, or that's not good enough, it's their choice, just as we are rejecting God's love. That's our choice to accept it or reject it. So I don't feel..I mean I feel bad in the sense I might say "Well, gee, I thought that was something interesting. I know there's a good thing here. Do you want to share it with people. I wish they would have accepted it. I don't feel responsible. That's their choice to accept it just as each of us makes a choice every day to accept or reject God's love.

Q: Right. But the [[point]] is, that's not His [[choice]]. His choice is to constantly just give that [[love]]. And I think that's what each of us have to do. We simply try to be in [[control]], we try to do the best that we can. If I encounter someone, my job is to stay in control and to treat them as best that I can. If they don't [[accept]] that, I'm not walking away from them; they're walking away from the best that I can offer. If they don't want that, or that's not good enough, it's their [[choice]], just as we are [[rejecting]] [[God]]'s [[love]]. That's our [[choice]] to [[accept]] it or [[reject]] it. So I don't feel..I mean I feel bad in the sense I might say "Well, gee, I thought that was something interesting. I know there's a [[good]] thing here. Do you want to [[share]] it with people. I wish they would have [[accepted]] it. I don't feel [[responsible]]. That's their choice to accept it just as each of us makes a choice every day to [[accept]] or [[reject]] [[God]]'s [[love]].

Q: I like that definition as far as whether it's feelings or an emotion. I realize from the discussion that maybe it can be for when we talk about self being in full reciprocation, but it's a matter of if, for myself anyway, if one can say "Well, this is feelings and it should be something good so it's internal or then something comes at them and they feel anger and they can go "Well, it's an external thing". And they think "Well, I can control this". So it's at least a beginning and I realize that it may not fit every situation, but it's a matter of like, you know, there's A-E-I-O-U sometimes Y, sometimes W, over here, so there are exceptions to about everything. While it may not fit every situation, I think it's a beginning we can use to help maybe let some of the other go.

Q: I like that [[definition]] as far as whether it's [[feelings]] or an [[emotion]]. I realize from the [[discussion]] that maybe it can be for when we talk about self being in full [[reciprocation]], but it's a matter of if, for myself anyway, if one can say "Well, this is [[feelings]] and it should be something [[good]] so it's internal or then something comes at them and they feel [[anger]] and they can go "Well, it's an external thing". And they think "Well, I can [[control]] this". So it's at least a beginning and I [[realize]] that it may not fit every situation, but it's a matter of like, you know, there's A-E-I-O-U sometimes Y, sometimes W, over here, so there are exceptions to about everything. While it may not fit every situation, I think it's a beginning we can use to help maybe let some of the other go.

Q: And that's kind of a key, too, to where if somebody else is emoting, that they have to change that from within.

Q: And that's kind of a key, too, to where if somebody else is emoting, that they have to [[change]] that from within.

Q: There's a lot of people that you cannot change. And therefore, you have to do what you think, sometimes, is best for you. You don't always run from that. Then you try to ask God to help you to understand it. And let me tell you sometimes, it's hard to.

Q: There's a lot of people that you cannot [[change]]. And therefore, you have to do what you [[think]], sometimes, is best for you. You don't always run from that. Then you try to ask [[God]] to help you to [[understand]] it. And let me tell you sometimes, it's hard to.

Q: I would go so far as to say "You can't change anybody." They have to change themselves.

Q: I would go so far as to say "You can't [[change]] anybody." They have to change themselves.

Q: Yeah, I know, but a lot of people, I think, are braised with so many emotions and things they have like the hate and the prejudice. You cannot change those and so you have to do.......

Q: Yeah, I know, but a lot of people, I think, are [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braise braised] with so many [[emotions]] and things they have like the [[hate]] and the [[prejudice]]. You cannot [[change]] those and so you have to do.......

Q: Unless that person is willing to change.

Q: Unless that person is willing to [[change]].

Q: Then you run across someone else with the same emotions and then you go "Well, maybe since this way didn't work, maybe I'll try this way. Maybe it will work this time." So you learn from each person that you come across.

Q: Then you run across someone else with the same [[emotions]] and then you go "Well, maybe since this way didn't work, maybe I'll try this way. Maybe it will work this time." So you [[learn]] from each person that you come across.

Q: Try a new method, you know. If you can't make one work, then try something else for that person?

Q: Try a new [[method]], you know. If you can't make one [[work]], then try something else for that person?

Q: Yeah. Maybe instead of saying A, B, and C that you may try B, C, and D. You say it different or......

Q: Yeah. Maybe instead of saying A, B, and C that you may try B, C, and D. You say it different or......

Q: I'll have to think about this.

Q: I'll have to think about this.

Q: I think it's just like what Mom said, that you don't necessarily give up trying to have someone understand. But I hear a lot of this approaching the point of self-destruction, and that seems to me to be pushing it way too far.

Q: I think it's just like what Mom said, that you don't necessarily give up trying to have someone [[understand]]. But I hear a lot of this approaching the point of self-destruction, and that seems to me to be pushing it way too far.

Q: Always look for the opening to get a little something in...

Q: Always look for the opening to get a little something in...

Q: But don't keep banging yourself against the wall.

Q: But don't keep banging yourself against the wall.

Q: That person's going nowhere and you're going backwards because you're beating your head against the wall continually making an effort where there's not going to be any reciprocation.

Q: That person's going nowhere and you're going backwards because you're beating your head against the wall continually making an [[effort]] where there's not going to be any [[reciprocation]].

Q: If you remain open, you're still available, making yourself available, willing to be a source or a resource for that person spiritually, I guess, but at the same time, you're able to move on.

Q: If you remain open, you're still available, making yourself available, willing to be a source or a [[resource]] for that person [[spiritually]], I guess, but at the same time, you're able to move on.

Q: But at that point, it becomes their responsibility.

Q: But at that point, it becomes their [[responsibility]].

Q: Isn't that where the curiosity factor comes in? If you say just enough to prick their curiosity and leave it at that, if they want to know more, they will come back. Isn't that the best way to handle that rather than to every day constantly try to pump something into them? Isn't the change in you and the attitude change in yourself and the way you handle things, isn't that enough to prick their conscience, their own curiosity to come to you and say "Hey, what's happened to you?"

Q: Isn't that where the [[curiosity]] [[factor]] comes in? If you say just enough to prick their [[curiosity]] and leave it at that, if they want to know more, they will come back. Isn't that the best way to handle that rather than to every day constantly try to pump something into them? Isn't the change in you and the [[attitude]] change in yourself and the way you handle things, isn't that enough to prick their [[conscience]], their own [[curiosity]] to come to you and say "Hey, what's happened to you?"

Q: I think that's sometimes the best approach.

Q: I think that's sometimes the best approach.

Q: If we truly are feeling and experiencing God's love and have that joy and happiness and peace of mind and contentment, then Welmek tells us that people will be drawn to us wanting to know "What is it that you have?"

Q: If we truly are [[feeling]] and [[experiencing]] [[God]]'s [[love]] and have that joy and [[happiness]] and peace of [[mind]] and contentment, then Welmek tells us that people will be drawn to us wanting to know "What is it that you have?"

Q: Speaking of "Welmek tells us.."...(laughter) . .let's get some feedback from him. WELMEK: First I wish to thank Marty for the discussion. Second, I wish to share with all of you how stimulated we are by your conversation. Once again, if you can only imagine the peoples of your planet thinking and talking in these terms, much would be done overnight. In response to the most recent part of your discussion about interactions with others and trying to help them help themselves, I would ask you this question. What does it mean in your morontia mota when it says "The act is yours, and the consequence is God's"?

Q: Speaking of "Welmek tells us.."...(laughter) . .let's get some feedback from him.  

WELMEK: First I wish to thank Marty for the [[discussion]]. Second, I wish to [[share]] with all of you how [[stimulated]] we are by your [[conversation]]. Once again, if you can only [[imagine]] the peoples of your planet [[thinking]] and talking in these terms, much would be done overnight. In [[response]] to the most recent part of your [[discussion]] about interactions with others and trying to help them help themselves, I would ask you this question. What does it mean in your [[morontia mota]] when it says "The act is yours, and the consequence is God's"? [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=48:7_Morontia_Mota '''''(48:7.13)''''']

Q: Is that a rhetorical question? W: No.

Q: Is that a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question rhetorical question]?  

Q: Well, it means basically you leave it up to God after you do whatever you understand His will to be in that situation. After that, if a person responds immediately or ten years from now, you have to have a faith in God and in the Adjuster in that person to work things out with that person's cooperation. W: Let us look perhaps a little deeper at those few words. First, what do you think the word "act" means? Where does the real act stem from?

W: No.

Q: Your feelings. W: And as we have discussed, where do our feelings stem from?

Q: Well, it means basically you leave it up to [[God]] after you do whatever you [[understand]] His will to be in that situation. After that, if a person [[responds]] [[immediately]] or ten years from now, you have to have a [[faith]] in God and in the [[Adjuster]] in that person to work things out with that person's [[cooperation]]. W: Let us look perhaps a little deeper at those few [[words]]. First, what do you think the word "act" means? Where does the real [[act]] stem from?

Q: The Adjuster? W: Indeed. So when we act in God-consciousness, we are doing the best that we can, are we not?

Q: Your feelings. W: And as we have discussed, where do our [[feelings]] stem from?

Q: Yes. W: Then if we allow the individual to perceive our actions, we have done all that we can do. There is no changing, as some have suggested, another individual. This must come from their own actions. Do you understand this? If you are engaged in situations where you feel that your actions are not being understood or received, in no way whatsoever change your actions. This is the part of your real self. Do not concern yourself with the other's reactions to you. If you are engaged in a situation that you find yourself incompatible with the individual, and they exert authority, pressure, over you, then you have a decision to make. You must prioritize and decide what is most important. If seeking the Father and doing His will is most important, and if in your situation you find it is difficult or impossible to do this, then you do have the ability to change this situation. For as you all know, it really does not matter what you do on this planet as far as maintaining your material existence, as long as you do it.

Q: The [[Adjuster]]?  

What matters, in reality, is your relationship with the Father and your relationship with your brothers and sisters. This is the message of Jesus, and is that simple. However, as suggested this evening, it is not as simple to practice. It takes time, it takes work. The spiritual path to the Father is not easy. It is made to be this way. Let's talk a moment about Self. What is Self, in my opinion, for ascending mortals on native planets? The Self is basically your soul with personality overlay. The soul is an evolution of the inner association between the spirit fragment and your level of mind. You may consider the body a part of the Self if you wish, but we do not, since the body is temporary. As your soul evolves, what is forming? You are forming your morontial self. It is this morontial self that has the higher vibrational level that was referred to earlier. In regards to feeling and origination, I feel intensely, as all of my associates feel.

W: Indeed. So when we act in [[God-consciousness]], we are doing the best that we can, are we not?

We feel the love of the Father come from within our very being. It is the spirit within that originates this love. It is the spirit that is the love itself. Emotions are, as suggested, reactions to outside stimuli. When as associate does something that you find displeasing, you must decide how you will respond. If your decision is to lose your God- consciousness and respond negatively with anger, with pride, with jealousy, with envy, with hatred, then as said earlier, you do give up the spirit momentarily. This is obviously not what we want. (tape turned, words lost)...how to achieve feeling God's love. You already have most of the answers to this question.

Q: Yes.  

You simply must continue to practice it. Worship will do the most to attune yourself to this feeling. I would add to what Marty said about God with this additional thought. Our Father, while indeed being a perfect parent, is also a good friend. As we have discussed previously, in worship, talk to the Father, commune with Him, as one who stands by you each day. For does not your text tell you that the spirit fragment literally goes through each experience with you? Since the spirit fragment is of God, therefore God experiences life with you. Always remember this, my friends. When you worship, never lose sight of the fact that the Father is indeed, just as our Creator Son, right with you. Turn to Him. Learn to lean more on Him. His love abounds. There is more than you can possibly consume at this point in your existence. The Father desires this. It is, frankly, all that He wishes for you to recognize. For if you recognize His love and you feel it from within yourself, you have done much in doing the will of God. For how else will you behave? You will look at your brothers and sisters with love and compassion and with understanding. As we have discussed earlier, this is doing the will of the Father. You will look at yourself in the same light; and by doing that, you will forgive yourself for the imperfections and frailties that you manifest in your daily existence. This, too, is doing the will of the Father. Why don't we now open this discussion to questions. There are several teachers present. I wish to advise you that Ham and Rayson are present and the three of us will engage your questions regarding feeling God's love.

W: Then if we allow the [[individual]] to [[perceive]] our [[actions]], we have done all that we can do. There is no [[changing]], as some have suggested, another [[individual]]. This must come from their own [[actions]]. Do you [[understand]] this? If you are [[engaged]] in situations where you [[feel]] that your actions are not being [[understood]] or received, in no way whatsoever [[change]] your actions. This is the part of your real [[self]]. Do not concern yourself with the other's [[reactions]] to you. If you are [[engaged]] in a situation that you find yourself incompatible with the [[individual]], and they exert [[authority]], [[pressure]], over you, then you have a [[decision]] to make. You must [[prioritize]] and [[decide]] what is most important. If seeking [[the Father]] and doing His will is most important, and if in your situation you find it is [[difficult]] or impossible to do this, then you do have the [[ability]] to change this situation. For as you all know, it really does not matter what you do on [[this planet]] as far as [[maintaining]] your [[material]] [[existence]], as long as you do it.

Q: I want to get a point of reference. It was never determined whether a feeling can be negative. Or is it always positive, and the negative aspect of it is the emotion?

What matters, in [[reality]], is your [[relationship]] with [[the Father]] and your [[relationship]] with your [[brothers and sisters]]. This is the [[message]] of [[Jesus]], and is that simple. However, as suggested this evening, it is not as [[simple]] to [[practice]]. It takes time, it takes [[work]]. The spiritual [[path]] to [[the Father]] is not easy. It is made to be this way. Let's talk a [[moment]] about [[Self]]. What is Self, in my [[opinion]], for [[ascending mortals]] on [[native planets]]? The [[Self]] is basically your [[soul]] with [[personality]] overlay. The soul is an [[evolution]] of the inner [[association]] between the [[spirit fragment]] and your level of [[mind]]. You may consider the [[body]] a part of the [[Self]] if you [[wish]], but we do not, since the [[body]] is temporary. As your [[soul evolves]], what is forming? You are forming your [[morontial self]]. It is this morontial self that has the higher [[vibrational]] level that was referred to earlier. In regards to [[feeling]] and origination, I feel [[intensely]], as all of my associates [[feel]].

A: This is Rayson. I can assure you that all feeling is from the Father. Since it originates from the Father, it is not negative. Emotions are the reactions which, as you experience them, we would consider them to be negative. The confusion in your minds stems from the fact that you "feel" these things inside of yourself. You do understand and you do sense these things. If you wish to continue to use the word "feeling", so be it; but I can assure you, from my perspective, I "feel" the love of the Father. I do not feel anger, feel hate or any of these what we consider your negative emotions. Does that answer your question?

We feel the [[love]] of [[the Father]] come from within our very [[being]]. It is [[Thought Adjuster|the spirit]] within that originates this [[love]]. It is the spirit that is the [[love]] itself. [[Emotions]] are, as suggested, [[reactions]] to outside [[stimuli]]. When as [[associate]] does something that you find displeasing, you must [[decide]] how you will [[respond]]. If your decision is to lose your [[God-consciousness]] and [[respond]] negatively with [[anger]], with [[pride]], with [[jealousy]], with [[envy]], with [[hatred]], then as said earlier, you do give up the spirit momentarily. This is obviously not what we want. (tape turned, words lost)...how to achieve [[feeling]] [[God]]'s [[love]]. You already have most of the answers to this question.

You simply must continue to [[practice]] it. [[Worship]] will do the most to [[attune]] yourself to this [[feeling]]. I would add to what Marty said about [[God]] with this additional [[thought]]. [[Our Father]], while indeed being a [[perfect]] [[parent]], is also a [[good]] [[friend]]. As we have discussed previously, in [[worship]], talk to [[the Father]], [[commune]] with Him, as one who stands by you each day. For does not your text tell you that the [[spirit fragment]] [[literally]] goes through each [[experience]] with you? Since the [[spirit fragment]] is of [[God]], therefore God experiences life with you. Always [[remember]] this, my [[friends]]. When you [[worship]], never lose [[sight]] of the [[fact]] that [[the Father]] is indeed, just as our [[Creator Son]], right with you. Turn to Him. [[Learn]] to lean more on Him. His [[love]] abounds. There is more than you can possibly [[consume]] at this [[point]] in your [[existence]]. [[The Father]] [[desires]] this. It is, frankly, all that He wishes for you to [[recognize]]. For if you [[recognize]] His [[love]] and you [[feel]] it from within yourself, you have done much in [[doing the will of God]]. For how else will you behave? You will look at your [[brothers and sisters]] with [[love]] and [[compassion]] and with [[understanding]]. As we have [[discussed]] earlier, this is [[doing the will of the Father]]. You will look at yourself in the same [[light]]; and by doing that, you will [[forgive]] yourself for the [[imperfections]] and frailties that you manifest in your daily [[existence]]. This, too, is [[doing the will of the Father]]. Why don't we now open this [[discussion]] to questions. There are several [[teachers]] present. I wish to advise you that [[Ham]] and [[Rayson]] are present and the three of us will [[engage]] your [[questions]] regarding [[feeling]] [[God]]'s [[love]].

Q: I want to get a [[point]] of [[reference]]. It was never determined whether a [[feeling]] can be [[negative]]. Or is it always [[positive]], and the negative aspect of it is the [[emotion]]?

Q: Yes, it does. Welmek, last week, and Karla alluded to this, you made reference to the fact that we have a problem with our negative feelings and that we should get rid of these. It takes a long time for us to get rid of our negative feelings. Should you have used the word "emotions" instead, or were you using the dictionary term?

A: This is [[Rayson]]. I can assure you that all [[feeling]] is from [[the Father]]. Since it [[originates]] from the Father, it is not [[negative]]. [[Emotions]] are the [[reactions]] which, as you [[experience]] them, we would consider them to be [[negative]]. The [[confusion]] in your minds stems from the [[fact]] that you "feel" these things inside of yourself. You do [[understand]] and you do sense these things. If you [[wish]] to continue to use the word "[[feeling]]", so be it; but I can [[assure]] you, from my perspective, I "[[feel]]" the [[love]] of [[the Father]]. I do not feel [[anger]], feel [[hate]] or any of these what we consider your negative [[emotions]]. Does that answer your question?

A: At that point in time, I used the word that I felt you would best understand, given the definitions at that point. However, this is one of the reasons why I feel this lesson has worked as it is. For in understanding what we perceive as the difference between feeling and emotion, or as one suggested, self-mastery or the lack thereof, you begin to discern your ability to do these things somewhat differently. When you feel or you sense or intuit, perhaps, although your definition is not quite as the same as mine, what we are encouraging you to do, is to recognize what is beginning to surface within yourself and allow it not to express itself. Allow the feeling of love, God's love, to always manifest itself. Remember this, my friends, neither you nor I have achieved perfection. We are far from it. Therefore, you will not always feel or be able to maintain this in your daily life. As a matter of fact, since you are all just starting out in your experience, it will take you quite a while on a regular, consistent basis, to feel this all the time. But that does not take away from the fact that one, the love is always there and there is more than enough energy to draw from, and that two, you should continue to try; for in trying, you are indeed doing the will of the Father, if that is a priority for you.

Q: Yes, it does. Welmek, last week, and Karla alluded to this, you made [[reference]] to the [[fact]] that we have a [[problem]] with our [[negative]] [[feelings]] and that we should get rid of these. It takes a long time for us to get rid of our [[negative]] feelings. Should you have used the word "[[emotions]]" instead, or were you using the dictionary term?

Q: Teachers, when we meditate and find the stillness and we can begin to feel the love, especially with some of the focusing techniques that we've been give in the past few weeks, that's really a wonderful feeling. We can begin to feel what that love is like, but yet it's very hard; and you just alluded to that. It's very difficult for us to stay in that state of love constantly. Are there any hints or suggestions that you can give us to help us feel that love when we're not in that meditative stillness state?

A: At that point in time, I used the [[word]] that I felt you would best [[understand]], given the [[definitions]] at that [[point]]. However, this is one of the reasons why I feel this lesson has worked as it is. For in [[understanding]] what we [[perceive]] as the [[difference]] between [[feeling]] and [[emotion]], or as one suggested, [[self-mastery]] or the lack thereof, you begin to [[discern]] your ability to do these things somewhat [[differently]]. When you [[feel]] or you sense or intuit, perhaps, although your [[definition]] is not quite as the same as mine, what we are [[encouraging]] you to do, is to [[recognize]] what is beginning to [[surface]] within yourself and allow it not to [[express]] itself. Allow the [[feeling]] of [[love]], [[God]]'s [[love]], to always [[manifest]] itself. Remember this, my [[friends]], neither you nor I have [[achieved]] [[perfection]]. We are far from it. Therefore, you will not always feel or be able to maintain this in your daily life. As a matter of [[fact]], since you are all just starting out in your [[experience]], it will take you quite a while on a regular, [[consistent]] basis, to [[feel]] this all the time. But that does not take away from the [[fact]] that one, the [[love]] is always there and there is more than enough [[energy]] to draw from, and that two, you should continue to try; for in trying, you are indeed [[doing the will of the Father]], if that is a [[priority]] for you.

A: First, I would suggest that you think about your reaction, for hopefully the goal is that the thought will trigger the mechanism that will eliminate the negative reaction. In other words, if you feel yourself getting angry, think about what it is you are doing. You are taking away from the consciousness which you wish to achieve. If you then want the consciousness that you are seeking, hopefully this thought recognition will then re-engage the feeling. It may not be complete, and most certainly won't in the initial phases; but again, you must understand, your nature is such that you want everything immediately, without much effort. It is not like this in universe ascension career experience. These things do take much hard work and practice. "Do not become discouraged when you realize you are human." This phrase has been quoted in your text time and time again. It is part of your understanding that you must be patient, you must be persistent, you must always put the will of the Father first and foremost. Do you understand what I am saying?

Q: [[Teachers]], when we [[meditate]] and find the [[stillness]] and we can begin to [[feel]] the [[love]], especially with some of the [[focusing]] [[techniques]] that we've been give in the past few weeks, that's really a [[wonderful]] [[feeling]]. We can begin to [[feel]] what that [[love]] is like, but yet it's very hard; and you just alluded to that. It's very difficult for us to stay in that state of [[love]] constantly. Are there any [[hints]] or suggestions that you can give us to help us feel that [[love]] when we're not in that meditative [[stillness]] [[state]]?

Q: I understand, but that wasn't really what I was speaking to specifically. I wasn't talking about when we're in a negative emotional state. I was more or less referring to the times when we're just going about our daily business, but yet we don't feel that love burning in our soul that Welmek's referring to, that there would come a time that we should feel this love just permeate our being. Are there any steps that we can get to get to that point, just to feel that intensity that we feel in our meditation, to feel that intensity of love in our usual waking moments as we go about our daily business.

A: First, I would suggest that you think about your [[reaction]], for hopefully the [[goal]] is that the [[thought]] will trigger the [[mechanism]] that will eliminate the [[negative]] reaction. In other words, if you feel yourself getting [[angry]], think about what it is you are doing. You are taking away from the [[consciousness]] which you wish to [[achieve]]. If you then want the consciousness that you are seeking, hopefully this [[thought]] [[recognition]] will then re-engage the [[feeling]]. It may not be complete, and most certainly won't in the [[initial]] [[phases]]; but again, you must [[understand]], your [[nature]] is such that you want everything [[immediately]], without much [[effort]]. It is not like this in [[universe]] [[ascension career]] [[experience]]. These things do take much hard [[work]] and [[practice]]. "Do not become [[discouraged]] when you [[realize]] you are [[human]]."([[156:5 Jesus' Teaching at Tyre|156:5.8]])This phrase has been [[quoted]] in [[your text]] time and time again. It is [[part]] of your [[understanding]] that you must be [[patient]], you must be [[persistent]], you must always put the will of [[the Father]] first and foremost. Do you [[understand]] what I am saying?

A: As your faith grows and as you live your faith, this feeling within yourself will continue to grow; and your conscious awareness of it will also. Do you not feel more of the Father's love in your life now than you did a year ago?

 

A: As your [[faith]] grows and as you live your faith, this [[feeling]] within yourself will continue to [[grow]]; and your [[conscious]] [[awareness]] of it will also. Do you not [[feel]] more of [[the Father]]'s [[love]] in your life now than you did a year ago?

Q: Absolutely.

Q: Absolutely.

A: And this is what I mean. As you continue to practice that which we have suggested to you, this is what you can do to "feel" more of the love that's there. There are no short-cuts, my friends. There is nothing that I can tell you that will automatically generate this feeling from within yourself from one day to the next. It is something that is a slow progression.

A: And this is what I mean. As you continue to [[practice]] that which we have suggested to you, this is what you can do to "[[feel]]" more of the [[love]] that's there. There are no short-cuts, my [[friends]]. There is nothing that I can tell you that will [[automatically]] generate this [[feeling]] from within yourself from one day to the next. It is something that is a slow [[progression]].

Q: A smoldering fire that will eventually start to burn?

Q: A smoldering [[fire]] that will [[eventually]] start to burn?

A: As you say, where there is smoke, there is fire. (laughter)

A: As you say, where there is [[smoke]], there is [[fire]]. ([[laughter]])

Q: How much does biochemistry affect our ability to do that?

Q: How much does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochemistry biochemistry] affect our [[ability]] to do that?

A: Unfortunately for you, it has somewhat of a significant effect. Your existence in the material flesh is somewhat inhibiting as far as the inner association between you and the spirit fragment. This does not, in any way whatsoever, preclude you from being able, however, to establish communication, whether you are aware of it or not, and also to begin to experience this feeling of the love of the Father. Nor, I will add, does it preclude you from your soul evolution. You are literally beginning to develop your morontial self. Most humans, however, will not realize this until resurrection.

A: Unfortunately for you, it has somewhat of a significant effect. Your [[existence]] in the [[material]] [[flesh]] is somewhat inhibiting as far as the inner [[association]] between you and the [[spirit fragment]]. This does not, in any way whatsoever, preclude you from being able, however, to establish [[communication]], whether you are [[aware]] of it or not, and also to begin to [[experience]] this [[feeling]] of the [[love]] of [[the Father]]. Nor, I will add, does it preclude you from your [[soul evolution]]. You are [[literally]] beginning to [[develop]] your [[morontial self]]. Most [[humans]], however, will not [[realize]] this until [[resurrection]].

Q: Teachers, I have a question about trying to understand, on the one hand you have feeling God's love and the anger and these emotions are at the other end of the spectrum and so on. I'm trying to understand something like when the text would say that Jesus drank deeply from the cup of human sorrow. You know, that's not a really negative emotion, like anger or those kinds of things; but, and I know that he would have kept the presence or the feeling of God's love, is it that God's love can change faces, manifest itself differently somehow? We could experience joy and experience sorrow at times, yet still be connected with this love?

Q: Teachers, I have a [[question]] about trying to [[understand]], on the one hand you have [[feeling]] [[God]]'s [[love]] and the [[anger]] and these [[emotions]] are at the other end of the [[spectrum]] and so on. I'm trying to [[understand]] something like when [[the text]] would say that [[Jesus]] drank deeply from the cup of human [[sorrow]]. You know, that's not a really [[negative]] [[emotion]], like [[anger]] or those kinds of things; but, and I know that he would have kept the [[presence]] or the [[feeling]] of [[God]]'s [[love]], is it that God's love can [[change]] faces, [[manifest]] itself differently somehow? We could [[experience]] [[joy]] and experience [[sorrow]] at times, yet still be [[connected]] with this [[love]]?

A: This is Ham. I wish to respond. First, let me ask you how would you define "sorrow"?

A: This is [[Ham]]. I wish to [[respond]]. First, let me ask you how would you [[define]] "[[sorrow]]"?

Q: Well, when I look at it in that text, I suppose it would be to see things in their reality in an objective way and wish perhaps that they were different, they were better.

Q: Well, when I look at it in that [[text]] ([[100:7 The Acme of Religious Living|100:7.12]]), I [[suppose]] it would be to see things in their [[reality]] in an [[objective]] way and wish perhaps that they were [[different]], they were better.

A: Given that explanation, can you all project within your mind how our Master thought of sorrow when he was being nailed to the beam and asked the Father to forgive them for they did not know what they were doing? This, I tell you, is drinking from the cup of sorrow. For our Creator was able to see within each individual, their evolving soul, as well as the spirit of the Father. He knows of the potential as well as the reality, how it is so sorrow that all of the children of the Father turn away. They reject the message, they reject the gospel of everlasting and loving faith. This is such as it is as far as the cup of sorrow. Sorrow is not a negative emotion. It is a recognition and a heart- felt feeling of that which should be but is not. It brings us all sorrow to witness you struggle sometimes, for you do not realize the help that you have and the love that is available. As a result, you tend to punish yourself. You tend to criticize yourself. You tend to devitalize yourself and you tend to turn away from the Father. Does that answer your question?

A: Given that [[explanation]], can you all [[project]] within your [[mind]] how [[our Master]] [[thought]] of [[sorrow]] when he was being [[Crucifixion|nailed to the beam]] and asked [[the Father]] to [[forgive]] them for they did not know what they were doing? This, I tell you, is drinking from the cup of [[sorrow]]. For [[our Creator]] was able to see within each [[individual]], their [[evolving soul]], as well as [[Thought Adjuster|the spirit of the Father]]. He knows of the [[potential]] as well as the [[reality]], how it is so sorrow that all of the [[children]] of [[the Father]] turn away. They [[reject]] the [[message]], they reject the [[gospel]] of everlasting and loving [[faith]]. This is such as it is as far as the cup of sorrow. Sorrow is not a [[negative]] [[emotion]]. It is a [[recognition]] and a [[heart]]-felt feeling of that which should be but is not. It brings us all sorrow to witness you [[struggle]] sometimes, for you do not [[realize]] the help that you have and the [[love]] that is available. As a result, you tend to punish yourself. You tend to [[criticize]] yourself. You tend to devitalize yourself and you tend to turn away from [[the Father]]. Does that answer your [[question]]?

Q: Yes. A follow-up then. So in terms of understanding feelings and one's life sorrow or others as we experience life, as long as we, in whatever feeling it might be, as long as we can still sense or feel that sort of connectedness to God's love, I mean there's nothing necessarily wrong with that. It's just a part of human experience; it's a part of life as long as we can still feel that connectedness.

Q: Yes. A follow-up then. So in terms of [[understanding]] [[feelings]] and one's life [[sorrow]] or others as we [[experience]] life, as long as we, in whatever [[feeling]] it might be, as long as we can still sense or [[feel]] that sort of [[connectedness]] to [[God]]'s love, I mean there's nothing necessarily wrong with that. It's just a part of [[human]] [[experience]]; it's a part of life as long as we can still feel that [[connectedness]].

A: Let's look at it in perhaps some more understanding. When we and you look at certain situations that currently exist on your planet, we are deeply sorrowed. As we watch the children on your world starve to death for no reason whatsoever other than greed and hate and malice and ignorance, we are all deeply moved. We are deeply sorrowed. So it is with the Master when he looked upon this planet at the time of his crucifixion and saw more or less the same devastation that is taking place now. Do you not feel within your being the love of the Father reach out to these starving children? If your hearts are so cold you cannot, then I suggest that you pray for yourself, that the love of the Father may truly flow through you more fully. When you feel sorrow for these little ones, this is not a negative emotion. It is actually love expressed. Does that help?

A: Let's look at it in perhaps some more [[understanding]]. When we and you look at certain situations that currently exist on [[your planet]], we are deeply [[sorrowed]]. As we watch the [[children]] on your world [[starve]] to [[death]] for no reason whatsoever other than [[greed]] and [[hate]] and malice and [[ignorance]], we are all deeply moved. We are deeply sorrowed. So it is with [[the Master]] when he looked upon [[this planet]] at the time of his [[crucifixion]] and saw more or less the same [[devastation]] that is taking place now. Do you not [[feel]] within your being the [[love]] of [[the Father]] reach out to these [[starving]] [[children]]? If your [[hearts]] are so cold you cannot, then I suggest that you [[pray]] for yourself, that the [[love]] of [[the Father]] may truly [[flow]] through you more fully. When you feel [[sorrow]] for these little ones, this is not a [[negative]] emotion. It is actually [[love]] [[expressed]]. Does that help?

Q: Yes.

Q: Yes.

Q: As we become more God-knowing, will that feeling of God and that warmth and energy that we feel increase in intensity? That would be my guess.

Q: As we become more [[God-knowing]], will that [[feeling]] of God and that [[warmth]] and [[energy]] that we feel increase in [[intensity]]? That would be my guess.

A: I promise you this is true. It is interesting, for when we say, you must have faith in the Father, yet through your faith you come to know God, does this not perplex you somewhat? How is it that you can know something when it requires faith? Faith, by definition, is that which, as some of you would say, cannot see or taste or touch or hear or smell, that which is beyond your full capability of understanding. Yet we say to you that through your faith, you will know of the reality of the Father. Indeed, it is through your faith, your dedicated practice, your desire and will to do His, that these things, these feelings, this love will be added to you. And as your teacher has suggested, much more will come.

A: I [[promise]] you this is true. It is interesting, for when we say, you must have [[faith]] in [[the Father]], yet through your [[faith]] you come to know [[God]], does this not perplex you somewhat? How is it that you can know something when it requires [[faith]]? [[Faith]], by [[definition]], is that which, as some of you would say, cannot see or [[taste]] or [[touch]] or hear or smell, that which is beyond your full capability of [[understanding]]. Yet we say to you that through your faith, you will know of the [[reality]] of [[the Father]]. Indeed, it is through your [[faith]], your [[dedicated]] [[practice]], your [[desire]] and will to do His, that these things, these [[feelings]], this [[love]] will be added to you. And as your teacher has suggested, much more will come.

Q: Is our awareness in feeling God's love now supplemented by the love that you all are sharing with us?

Q: Is our [[awareness]] in [[feeling]] [[God]]'s [[love]] now supplemented by the love that you all are [[sharing]] with us?

A: Feeling the Father's love is a conscious recognition on each individual's part. Since it originates from within, we can only encourage you to turn in. We hope that by our presence you do this, that you feel the love that surrounds you and that you look within and allow this feeling to manifest itself. I would suggest to you not to look for feelings of euphoria. This is not what we are suggesting that will come into your experience at this time. I believe someone suggested or hinted upon this earlier. What was it that drew people like a magnet to Jesus when he walked this planet? It was not so much his words as it was his attitude, his poise. This is what you all wish to achieve in your life, is it not? Then I can encourage you to follow your teacher's instruction. Each day, pray. Each day, do the very best that you possibly can. If you falter, then so be it. Do not be overly critical about this. You do get "on" yourselves, as you say, so much. Just simply recognize that you're not perfect. Recognize that you are of a dual nature and move forward. In time, you will not be as you are now. You will have access to a different mind. You will have access to a different sensing mechanism, and much will be added to you. However, as we have suggested to you, these things may become possible yet even in your lifetime to some degree. Much of doing the will of the Father is totally up to you.

A: [[Feeling]] [[the Father]]'s [[love]] is a [[conscious]] [[recognition]] on each [[individual]]'s part. Since it originates from within, we can only [[encourage]] you to turn in. We [[hope]] that by our [[presence]] you do this, that you [[feel]] the love that [[surrounds]] you and that you look within and allow this [[feeling]] to [[manifest]] itself. I would suggest to you not to look for [[feelings]] of [[euphoria]]. This is not what we are suggesting that will come into your [[experience]] at this time. I believe someone suggested or hinted upon this earlier. What was it that drew people like a [[magnet]] to [[Jesus]] when he walked [[this planet]]? It was not so much his [[words]] as it was his [[attitude]], his [[poise]]. This is what you all wish to [[achieve]] in your life, is it not? Then I can [[encourage]] you to follow your teacher's instruction. Each day, [[pray]]. Each day, do the very best that you possibly can. If you falter, then so be it. Do not be overly [[critical]] about this. You do get "on" yourselves, as you say, so much. Just simply [[recognize]] that you're not [[perfect]]. [[Recognize]] that you are of a [[dual]] [[nature]] and move forward. In [[time]], you will not be as you are now. You will have [[access]] to a different [[mind]]. You will have [[access]] to a different sensing [[mechanism]], and much will be added to you. However, as we have suggested to you, these things may become possible yet even in your lifetime to some [[degree]]. Much of [[doing the will of the Father]] is totally up to you.

Q: Are you suggesting that we take ourselves too seriously? (laughter) I say that in jest, but actually it leads to my real question. That is, what about joy and happiness? On this planet, as we look around and as you see, life is not so easy. To the extent that each of us wishes to feel more joy and happiness, what is blocking us from that? Is it our perception, our lack of true faith? What would you say primarily prevents us from experiencing more joy and happiness and cheerfulness on a daily basis?

Q: Are you suggesting that we take ourselves too seriously? ([[laughter]]) I say that in jest, but actually it leads to my real [[question]]. That is, what about [[joy]] and [[happiness]]? On [[this planet]], as we look around and as you see, life is not so easy. To the extent that each of us [[wishes]] to feel more [[joy]] and [[happiness]], what is [[blocking]] us from that? Is it our [[perception]], our lack of true [[faith]]? What would you say primarily prevents us from [[experiencing]] more [[joy]] and [[happiness]] and cheerfulness on a daily basis?

A: I would say, and this is Welmek speaking, that what inhibits you from experiencing joy and happiness is this lack of feeling the Father's love and your ability to maintain it. Love dominates all time and space existence. Wherever you go, there is always love. Your inability to recognize this in your particular state of awareness is directly related to your inability to maintain feelings of joy and happiness. I can assure you that our Master was indeed joyful and happy, even in times of sorrow. That may seem paradoxical, but it is not, to us. You make a reference, as we have made references, to the fact that life as you experience it, is difficult. I am here to tell you also that as you continue to grow in God-consciousness, life becomes easier, not in the sense that you experience less trials and tribulations, but you have a greater perspective. You also have a greater recognition of the help that you have. It therefore makes life's tasks, life's difficulties, life's problems become more of life's privileges, life's opportunities and life's duties. Once you all become fully aware, more or less, that you are citizens, not only within the particular system of Satania, but within the local universe of Nebadon, your attitudes about your existence on this planet will radically change. You will see yourselves in a much greater role. You will see yourselves as brothers and sisters of all people, not just a select few. In regards to the response of taking yourself too seriously, I could not agree more. You tend to exaggerate situations. Most of you, I have observed, worry about that which never comes to pass. This is also expressed in your mota. It might be most interesting if we were to take one meeting or two three and discuss mota. Perhaps I could give you more insight, more depth, as well as breadth, of understanding, although my limitations are more or less based on your experience and your integration.

A: I would say, and this is Welmek speaking, that what inhibits you from [[experiencing]] [[joy]] and [[happiness]] is this lack of [[feeling]] [[the Father]]'s [[love]] and your ability to [[maintain]] it. [[Love]] [[dominates]] all [[time and space]] [[existence]]. Wherever you go, there is always [[love]]. Your inability to [[recognize]] this in your particular [[state]] of awareness is directly related to your inability to maintain [[feelings]] of [[joy]] and [[happiness]]. I can [[assure]] you that [[our Master]] was indeed [[joyful]] and [[happy]], even in times of [[sorrow]]. That may seem [[paradoxical]], but it is not, to us. You make a [[reference]], as we have made references, to the [[fact]] that life as you [[experience]] it, is [[difficult]]. I am here to tell you also that as you continue to [[grow]] in [[God-consciousness]], life becomes easier, not in the sense that you [[experience]] less [[trials]] and [[tribulations]], but you have a greater [[perspective]]. You also have a greater [[recognition]] of the help that you have. It therefore makes life's tasks, life's [[difficulties]], life's [[problems]] become more of life's [[privileges]], life's [[opportunities]] and life's [[duties]]. Once you all become fully [[aware]], more or less, that you are [[citizens]], not only within the particular system of [[Satania]], but within the [[local universe]] of [[Nebadon]], your [[attitudes]] about your [[existence]] on [[this planet]] will [[radically]] [[change]]. You will see yourselves in a much greater role. You will see yourselves as [[brothers and sisters]] of all people, not just a select few. In regards to the [[response]] of taking yourself too seriously, I could not [[agree]] more. You tend to exaggerate situations. Most of you, I have [[observed]], [[worry]] about that which never comes to pass. This is also [[expressed]] in your [[mota]]. It might be most interesting if we were to take one meeting or two three and [[discuss]] [[mota]]. Perhaps I could give you more [[insight]], more depth, as well as breadth, of [[understanding]], although my [[limitations]] are more or less based on your [[experience]] and your [[integration]].

Q: I'd like to say something about being happy. Just add something. I see us all, that we're all creators. At least happiness to me has come more about when I give to someone else, when I create happiness for that person it creates a greater happiness in me. Being happy within myself has happened because I've learned how to forgive myself and release some of the cares that I have. I don't blame myself. I take responsibility for them, and I release them. And it's gone. And I'm okay with that. That's led to a greater happiness in myself in the past 6 or 8 years since I've really discovered God's love and my own spirituality.

Q: I'd like to say something about being [[happy]]. Just add something. I see us all, that we're all creators. At least [[happiness]] to me has come more about when I give to someone else, when I create happiness for that [[person]] it creates a greater happiness in me. [[Being]] happy within myself has happened because I've learned how to [[forgive]] myself and release some of the [[cares]] that I have. I don't blame myself. I take [[responsibility]] for them, and I release them. And it's gone. And I'm okay with that. That's led to a greater [[happiness]] in myself in the past 6 or 8 years since I've really discovered [[God]]'s love and my own [[spirituality]].

A: There are several important aspects to what our sister has just expressed. What I wish to speak of is this idea of self-less service. How many of you, and this is a rhetorical question, when asked to do something for another respond with a feeling of self- less service? Or why are you asking me to do this? This is another burden on me? Think about this. I believe in one of the meetings it was said that if an old man walked across the street, being crippled, and dropped something, if you perceived that this person was Michael himself, you would not hesitate for a second to run over and help this person. Why do you hesitate to help others who are in need? We are indeed somewhat perplexed by this. This is part of what we mean when we say you do not live the full faith that you have. Jesus washed the feet in the den before his death. What does this say to you? It is a perfect example of the willingness to serve without ego recognition, without anticipation of anything in response. But it is, in our universe, it is with our Father, that if you so act in this way, much is given to you.

A: There are several important aspects to what our sister has just [[expressed]]. What I wish to [[speak]] of is this idea of [[self-less]] [[service]]. How many of you, and this is a rhetorical question, when asked to do something for another [[respond]] with a [[feeling]] of [[self-less]] [[service]]? Or why are you asking me to do this? This is another burden on me? [[Think]] about this. I believe in one of the [[meetings]] it was said that if an old man walked across the street, being crippled, and dropped something, if you [[perceived]] that this person was [[Michael]] himself, you would not [[hesitate]] for a second to run over and help this [[person]]. Why do you [[hesitate]] to help others who are in need? We are indeed somewhat perplexed by this. This is part of what we mean when we say you do not live the full [[faith]] that you have. [[Jesus]] washed the feet in the den before his [[death]]. What does this say to you? It is a [[perfect]] [[example]] of the willingness to serve without [[ego]] [[recognition]], without [[anticipation]] of anything in [[response]]. But it is, in our [[universe]], it is with [[our Father]], that if you so act in this way, much is given to you.

You may not inherit your fortune because you've lived a good life. You may not drive the kind of car, have the kind of clothes that you may wish to have because you have served as such. But where is the true treasure? The treasure is in the soul growth.

You may not [[inherit]] your fortune because you've lived a [[good]] life. You may not drive the kind of car, have the kind of [[clothes]] that you may wish to have because you have served as such. But where is the true [[treasure]]? The treasure is in the [[soul growth]].

I perceive that you all believe this in your mind. Now the call is to action. Each day, if you try, you will at first unconsciously, grow. As time goes on, you will begin to more consciously recognize what is happening to you at the time that it happens. It is quite a remarkable experience.

I [[perceive]] that you all [[believe]] this in your [[mind]]. Now the call is to [[action]]. Each day, if you try, you will at first unconsciously, [[grow]]. As time goes on, you will begin to more consciously [[recognize]] what is happening to you at the time that it happens. It is quite a remarkable [[experience]].

Q: Do I understand you to say that there is a balance here, that as we are material beings, we need to act, we need to act out this feeling of love. When you mentioned the children who are starving and all of the things that cause such great sorrow, is part of love then, doing something to alleviate the sorrow, to right some of the wrongs without feeling that we're doing this out of a sense of love, even though there is great sorrow involved. Is that what you're saying?

Q: Do I [[understand]] you to say that there is a [[balance]] here, that as we are [[material]] [[beings]], we need to [[act]], we need to act out this [[feeling]] of [[love]]. When you mentioned the children who are [[starving]] and all of the things that cause such great sorrow, is part of [[love]] then, doing something to alleviate the [[sorrow]], to right some of the wrongs without [[feeling]] that we're doing this out of a sense of [[love]], even though there is great sorrow involved. Is that what you're saying?

A: Do you not all recognize that these little ones who are starving are your brothers and sisters? Do not become dispassionate, my friends. I am not suggesting that you board the next plane and jeopardize your life to try and help them, necessarily.

A: Do you not all [[recognize]] that these little ones who are [[starving]] are your [[brothers and sisters]]? Do not become [[dispassionate]], my [[friends]]. I am not suggesting that you board the next plane and [[jeopardize]] your life to try and help them, necessarily.

What I am suggesting is within each of your own minds, decide what you can do to help. If it is financial, then so be it. If it is by sending clothes or food, then so be it. If it is by effective prayer, which is what I encourage, then so be it. But, when will you awake to the fact that you are all brothers and sisters?

What I am suggesting is within each of your own [[minds]], decide what you can do to help. If it is [[financial]], then so be it. If it is by sending [[clothes]] or [[food]], then so be it. If it is by [[effective prayer]], which is what I [[encourage]], then so be it. But, when will you [[awake]] to the [[fact]] that you are all [[brothers and sisters]]?

I do not mean these words harshly. I mean them very lovingly. But you have come to the Father and asked for guidance. You have asked to feel His love. You have asked us "What can we do to help feel this love on a regular, consistent basis?" I tell you that one of the ways is your perception of your brothers and sisters.

I do not mean these [[words]] harshly. I mean them very lovingly. But you have come to [[the Father]] and asked for [[guidance]]. You have asked to [[feel]] His [[love]]. You have asked us "What can we do to help [[feel]] this [[love]] on a regular, [[consistent]] basis?" I tell you that one of the ways is your [[perception]] of your [[brothers and sisters]].

You cannot solve the problems of your planet. Do not think that this is what I imply. Just simply recognize that you are all part of this place, that you do, to an extent, have a responsibility as to what transpires on this planet. Prayer, effective prayer, does help. If this is the course of action that you wish to take, then take it.

You cannot solve the [[problems]] of [[your planet]]. Do not [[think]] that this is what I imply. Just simply [[recognize]] that you are all part of this place, that you do, to an extent, have a [[responsibility]] as to what transpires on this planet. [[Prayer]], [[effective prayer]], does help. If this is the [[course]] of [[action]] that you [[wish]] to take, then take it.

Q: Welmek, on another note, last week you gave us an assignment about finding ten characteristics that constitute strong character? Are we going to discuss that at all tonight? Or is it getting too late for that?

Q: Welmek, on another note, last week you gave us an [[assignment]] about finding ten [[characteristics]] that constitute strong [[character]]? Are we going to discuss that at all tonight? Or is it getting too late for that?

A: This is not the time.

A: This is not the time.

Q: Teachers, I want to ask a question about the feeling of God's love. Some of us have experienced sensation in forms of tingling, some reported a warm feeling. Is this truly the Father's love that the person is feeling, or is this a trigger of some stimuli reaction to something within the body?

Q: Teachers, I want to ask a question about the [[feeling]] of [[God]]'s [[love]]. Some of us have [[experienced]] [[sensation]] in forms of tingling, some reported a [[warm]] [[feeling]]. Is this truly [[the Father]]'s [[love]] that the [[person]] is [[feeling]], or is this a trigger of some stimuli reaction to something within the body?

A: That is not a simple question to answer, for it truly depends on the source. There are psychological phenomena, there are psychic phenomena, that do take place that, as you say, trigger this tingling or feeling from within. However, I will tell you that when you do feel God's love, and you all have to some extent, it does send a vibration through your whole being. So if you feel this, as you say, tingling, if you are in the proper mindset and of the proper attitude, you will feel a certain sensation.

A: That is not a simple question to answer, for it truly depends on the [[source]]. There are [[psychological]] [[phenomena]], there are [[psychic]] phenomena, that do take place that, as you say, trigger this tingling or [[feeling]] from within. However, I will tell you that when you do [[feel]] [[God]]'s love, and you all have to some extent, it does send a [[vibration]] through your whole [[being]]. So if you [[feel]] this, as you say, tingling, if you are in the proper mindset and of the proper [[attitude]], you will feel a certain [[sensation]].

Q: When we go into prayer and meditation, as preparation it's been discussed that we, of course, let go of all of our thoughts and emotions and everything. It seems to me that that better prepares us to seek God's love and not have it tarnished by our own personal feelings or emotions of anger or frustration or stress or unhappiness, all those negative things. I'm trying to clarify in my mind how this discussion applies to meditation.

Q: When we go into [[prayer]] and [[meditation]], as [[preparation]] it's been discussed that we, of course, let go of all of our [[thoughts]] and [[emotions]] and everything. It seems to me that that better [[prepares]] us to seek [[God]]'s [[love]] and not have it tarnished by our own [[personal]] [[feelings]] or [[emotions]] of [[anger]] or [[frustration]] or [[stress]] or unhappiness, all those [[negative]] things. I'm [[trying]] to clarify in my mind how this [[discussion]] applies to [[meditation]].

A: Your question is, how does feeling the Father's love apply in worship and prayer?

A: Your question is, how does [[feeling]] [[the Father]]'s [[love]] apply in [[worship]] and [[prayer]]?

Q: Yes.

Q: Yes.

A: Let's address worship first. Worship, as you know, is a communion with the Father. When you speak with your parents, does not the communication become more effective if it is dominated by a feeling of reciprocal love? So will your communication with the Father in heaven improve as this feeling of love grows within yourself.

A: Let's address [[worship]] first. Worship, as you know, is a [[communion]] with [[the Father]]. When you speak with your [[parents]], does not the [[communication]] become more [[effective]] if it is [[dominated]] by a [[feeling]] of [[reciprocal]] [[love]]? So will your [[communication]] with [[the Father]] in [[heaven]] improve as this [[feeling]] of [[love]] [[grows]] within yourself.

In prayer, effective praying, when we address the issue of sincerity, it is by the feeling of the Father's love that sincerity is made real. If you are motivated and dominated by this feeling of love, you can be nothing but sincere, honest, truthful, loyal, dependable, faithful, and I'll leave the other characteristics of character up to you for now. (laughter)

In [[prayer]], [[effective praying]], when we address the issue of [[sincerity]], it is by the [[feeling]] of [[the Father]]'s [[love]] that [[sincerity]] is made real. If you are [[motivated]] and [[dominated]] by this [[feeling]] of [[love]], you can be nothing but sincere, [[honest]], [[truthful]], [[loyal]], dependable, [[faithful]], and I'll leave the other [[characteristics]] of [[character]] up to you for now. (laughter)

There will be no copying. (laughter)

There will be no copying. (laughter)

Q: They're on the transcript now...I just lost half my list...it's not fair...

Q: They're on the [[transcript]] now...I just lost half my list...it's not fair...

A; Does that help you?

A; Does that help you?

Q: Yes, it does. . .. Who was that?

Q: Yes, it does. . .. Who was that?

A: This is Ham. I wish, by the way, to extend my greeting to all of you. It has been a few days, as I reckon time, (laughter) since I have been with you. As your teacher says, you cannot imagine how we feel when we see so many gathered in His name. We are deeply moved. We feel intensely when so many gather as you have gathered here this evening.

A: This is [[Ham]]. I wish, by the way, to extend my greeting to all of you. It has been a few days, as I reckon time, ([[laughter]]) since I have been with you. As your [[teacher]] says, you cannot [[imagine]] how we [[feel]] when we see so many gathered in His name. We are deeply moved. We feel [[intensely]] when so many gather as you have gathered here this evening.

We recognize your attempt, and I tell you this attempt is doing the will of the Father. You are little children, in a sense, and what would you expect of your little children? You would not expect mastery, you would not expect complete understanding, you would not expect perfection.

We [[recognize]] your attempt, and I tell you this attempt is [[doing the will of the Father]]. You are little [[children]], in a sense, and what would you [[expect]] of your little children? You would not expect [[mastery]], you would not expect complete [[understanding]], you would not expect [[perfection]].

But you would hope that the child would grow in love and understanding, that the child would become an upright and responsible citizen. You would hope that the child would come to know you fully, would come to want to be with you and would grow in their love for you. So it is, not only with us, your brothers and sisters, but with our Father.

But you would [[hope]] that the child would grow in [[love]] and [[understanding]], that the child would become an upright and [[responsible]] [[citizen]]. You would [[hope]] that the child would come to know you fully, would come to want to be with you and would [[grow]] in their [[love]] for you. So it is, not only with us, your [[brothers and sisters]], but with [[our Father]].

Q: Well, teachers I would hope that never again would I look at a little child that keeps asking the same question over and over again (laughter) and be impatient.

Q: Well, [[teachers]] I would [[hope]] that never again would I look at a little [[child]] that keeps asking the same question over and over again ([[laughter]]) and be impatient.

Q: Usually, the question is "Why..why?"

Q: Usually, the [[question]] is "Why..why?"

Q: That's what we ask too.

Q: That's what we ask too.

A: Why don't we, over the course of the next few weeks, begin to more faithfully rededicate ourselves to continue to worship, to pray, not to force anything, but simply to allow it to be felt. We will readdress this issue again, for it is, as Marty suggests, most imperative if you wish a more fuller and complete relationship, not only with the Father but with your spirit.

A: Why don't we, over the [[course]] of the next few weeks, begin to more [[faithfully]] rededicate ourselves to continue to [[worship]], to [[pray]], not to [[force]] anything, but simply to allow it to be felt. We will readdress this issue again, for it is, as Marty suggests, most [[imperative]] if you [[wish]] a more full and complete [[relationship]], not only with [[the Father]] but with your spirit.

We have not touched upon something tonight that I believe is conducive to helping you develop in your meditative state, your worship state, and even prayer state, a better attitude in which to allow this feeling to take root and to blossom. Music is most effective. When I am on another world, in particular I recall one experience on Jerusem, I was listening to our celestial musicians. The music is most stimulating, for it does harmonize certain vibrational levels on the physical plane that are conducive and inducive to spiritual harmony within the being.

We have not [[touched]] upon something tonight that I [[believe]] is conducive to helping you [[develop]] in your [[meditative]] state, your [[worship]] state, and even [[prayer]] state, a better [[attitude]] in which to allow this [[feeling]] to take [[root]] and to blossom. [[Music]] is most [[effective]]. When I am on another world, in particular I recall one [[experience]] on [[Jerusem]], I was [[listening]] to our [[celestial musicians]]. The music is most [[stimulating]], for it does [[harmonize]] certain [[vibrational]] levels on the [[physical]] [[plane]] that are conducive and inducive to [[spiritual]] [[harmony]] within the being.

Experiment. Do not be afraid. Do not be rigid in your attempts to communicate with the Father. Find some music that is pleasing, that you find harmonious. I encourage you to listen to melody, for the words might tend to dominate your thinking. Listen to the melody, allow the state of mind to be developed; and then, with full consciousness, talk to the Father.

[[Experiment]]. Do not be [[afraid]]. Do not be [[rigid]] in your attempts to [[communicate]] with [[the Father]]. Find some [[music]] that is pleasing, that you find [[harmonious]]. I [[encourage]] you to [[listen]] to [[melody]], for the [[words]] might tend to dominate your thinking. Listen to the melody, allow the [[state]] of mind to be developed; and then, with full [[consciousness]], talk to [[the Father]].

Pray to Michael, speak to your spirit fragment, talk to your angels. This is an aspect that many times is lost. You do not realize fully yet how hard and lovingly your angels work for you. In time you will recognize and appreciate this relationship.

Pray to [[Michael]], speak to your [[spirit fragment]], talk to your [[angels]]. This is an aspect that many times is lost. You do not [[realize]] fully yet how hard and lovingly your [[angels]] work for you. In time you will [[recognize]] and [[appreciate]] this [[relationship]].

Do whatever you can, through whatever technique you find beneficial to reach a better feeling as well as understanding of the Father. As stated last week and before, we do not encourage a type of so-called mystical experience where you believe that you see God; for I tell you, this is impossible. You could not, I could not, in our physical states of being, accomplish something such as this.

Do whatever you can, through whatever [[technique]] you find beneficial to reach a better [[feeling]] as well as [[understanding]] of [[the Father]]. As stated last week and before, we do not [[encourage]] a type of so-called [[mystical]] [[experience]] where you believe that you see [[God]]; for I tell you, this is impossible. You could not, I could not, in our [[physical]] states of being, accomplish something such as this.

But what you can do is set the stage. If you wish to visualize the diamond, as Andrea suggested, if you wish to use the music, if you wish to use art, if you wish to read a passage in your text before you go into a stage of worship or prayer, whatever it takes to help you achieve a greater appreciation, then do it. You are all creative, but many times you do not use these skills and talents that you have.

But what you can do is set the [[stage]]. If you wish to [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-11-08-Healing#Music.2C_Vision visualize the diamond], as Andrea suggested, if you [[wish]] to use the [[music]], if you wish to use [[art]], if you wish to read a passage in [[your text]] before you go into a [[stage]] of [[worship]] or [[prayer]], whatever it takes to help you achieve a greater [[appreciation]], then do it. You are all [[creative]], but many times you do not use these [[skills]] and [[talents]] that you have.

Share with one another your personal religious experiences. That is part of what these meetings should be for in the after-discussion.

[[Share]] with one another your [[personal]] [[religious]] [[experiences]]. That is part of what these meetings should be for in the after-[[discussion]].

Are there any other questions?

Are there any other questions?

Has anything been made clear to you tonight that has been beneficial?

Has anything been made [[clear]] to you tonight that has been beneficial?

 

Group: Yes,..thank you teachers..

WELMEK: I find it [[curious]] about [[human]] [[natures]], and I'm not suggesting that it is at this time, but I find it most curious that at times you [[respond]] that you do [[understand]] and things are clear when they are not. Sometimes you are [[reluctant]] to speak out. Sometimes you do not wish to appear [[foolish]] or [[ignorant]]; but I tell you, how would you [[counsel]] your children if they [[responded]] the same way. You would [[encourage]] them to speak out, to [[express]] themselves over and over until they [[understood]] what it is you are saying or asking of them. Is this not so? So it is in our meetings.

WELMEK: I find it curious about human natures, and I'm not suggesting that it is at this time, but I find it most curious that at times you respond that you do understand and things are clear when they are not. Sometimes you are reluctant to speak out. Sometimes you do not wish to appear foolish or ignorant; but I tell you, how would you counsel your children if they responded the same way. You would encourage them to speak out, to express themselves over and over until they understood what it is you are saying or asking of them. Is this not so? So it is in our meetings.

For those of you who have [[children]], [[feeling]] [[God]]'s [[love]] could also be most comparable and compatible with how you feel when you looked at your [[child]], your [[baby]], [[sleeping]] soundly in the [[crib]]. There is this little [[angel]]-like face. Your [[heart]] goes out, for indeed, it is quite a [[miracle]] in a sense.

For those of you who have children, feeling God's love could also be most comparable and compatible with how you feel when you looked at your child, your baby, sleeping soundly in the crib. There is this little angel-like face. Your heart goes out, for indeed, it is quite a miracle in a sense.

You also have [[relationships]] with [[husbands]] and [[wives]] or with [[good]] [[friends]], with [[fathers]] and [[mothers]] or [[brothers and sisters]]. You all have a fair [[understanding]] of what [[love]] is. Now allow yourselves in your [[quiet]] times, first to [[feel]] that [[love]], and then see what happens; for in time, that [[love]] will begin to be [[transcended]] by a deeper, more innate [[feeling]]. That feeling is [[Thought Adjuster|the spirit]] itself reaching down to you and you reaching back to the spirit in a [[conscious]] state.

You also have relationships with husbands and wives or with good friends, with fathers and mothers or brothers and sisters. You all have a fair understanding of what love is. Now allow yourselves in your quiet times, first to feel that love, and then see what happens; for in time, that love will begin to be transcended by a deeper, more innate feeling. That feeling is the spirit itself reaching down to you and you reaching back to the spirit in a conscious state.

This is Welmek. Once again, there are many lined up who would speak. Our [[discussions]] tend to not allow for this to always take place. I want you to know on behalf of all gathered here with me that we will [[pray]] for you. We will pray that you will be able to [[feel]] [[the Father]]'s love more fully in your daily [[experiences]]. We will make this [[petition]] to the [[Creator Son]] himself.

This is Welmek. Once again, there are many lined up who would speak. Our discussions tend to not allow for this to always take place. I want you to know on behalf of all gathered here with me that we will pray for you. We will pray that you will be able to feel the Father's love more fully in your daily experiences. We will make this petition to the Creator Son himself.

I [[hope]] you all [[recognize]] and [[understand]] that [[Michael]] himself is [[aware]] of each and every one of you gathered in this room. He is [[aware]] of each and every one in [[Nebadon|his universe]]. Think about, as you enter your [[sleep]] tonight, what does that mean to you, that a [[Creator Son]], as you [[understand]] him, is [[consciously]] aware of you? [[Feel]] his [[love]], feel your love for him. Be [[aware]] of these things in your life, and they will help to make you whole.

===Closing===

===Closing===

Go in peace, my friends. Enjoy your holiday of Thanksgiving. We will talk about thanksgiving in our next meeting. Good night.

Go in peace, my friends. Enjoy your holiday of Thanksgiving. We will talk about thanksgiving in our next meeting. Good night.