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WELMEK: Greetings to all of you. This is your [[teacher]] and guide, Welmek. I am extremely pleased to see so many of you here and I extend warm greetings to those of you who have [[traveled]] from afar. Tonight we will begin with the [[assignment]] that was given to Dennis. As Michael explained to you earlier, Dennis will put into a short and [[meaningful]] [[prayer]] the many [[ideas]] that were discussed at a previous [[meeting]]. After that we will entertain whatever questions you may have. Since there are [[visitors]], it would be good to open the meeting to a general [[discussion]] and allow the meeting to [[flow]] in the [[direction]] that will be most meaningful. Dennis, would you please [[share]] with the group what you have done?

WELMEK: Greetings to all of you. This is your [[teacher]] and guide, Welmek. I am extremely pleased to see so many of you here and I extend warm greetings to those of you who have [[traveled]] from afar. Tonight we will begin with the [[assignment]] that was given to Dennis. As Michael explained to you earlier, Dennis will put into a short and [[meaningful]] [[prayer]] the many [[ideas]] that were discussed at a previous [[meeting]]. After that we will entertain whatever questions you may have. Since there are [[visitors]], it would be good to open the meeting to a general [[discussion]] and allow the meeting to [[flow]] in the [[direction]] that will be most meaningful. Dennis, would you please [[share]] with the group what you have done?

DENNIS: Yes. Let us [[pray]]. As we pray for the presidency of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_clinton Bill Clinton], let us for the moment [[suspend]] any [[differences]] we may have and reach down deep within our [[hearts]] and feel together [[the Father]]'s [[love]]. As we do this, let us picture [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_clinton Bill Clinton] in our [[mind's eye]] before us and allow this [[love]] to [[flow]] forth and [[surround]] him. (Pause) We submit to you [[Michael]], [[our Master]]-Brother, these requests which represent a [[synthesis]] of the [[hopes]] we have expressed at an earlier gathering.

DENNIS: Yes. Let us [[pray]]. As we pray for the presidency of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_clinton Bill Clinton], let us for the moment [[suspend]] any [[differences]] we may have and reach down deep within our [[hearts]] and feel together [[the Father]]'s [[love]]. As we do this, let us picture [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_clinton Bill Clinton] in our [[mind's eye]] before us and allow this [[love]] to [[flow]] forth and [[surround]] him. (Pause) We submit to you [[Michael]], [[our Master]]-Brother, these requests which represent a [[synthesis]] of the [[hopes]] we have expressed at an earlier gathering.

We pray that president-elect Bill Clinton seek and be [[saturated]] with the [[love]], [[wisdom]] and [[strength]] of [[purpose]] to know and implement your [[plans]] for the improvement of our [[society]]. We ask that his [[faith]] continue to [[grow]], that he be prompted to [[pray]] daily. We pray that before every significant [[decision]], he [[quiet]] his mind to receive the imprint of his [[Thought Adjuster|indwelling monitor]], the affirmations of your [[Spirit of Truth]], and the [[admonitions]] of the seasoned spiritual advisers that have been [[assigned]] to him and his staff. We ask that he [[recognize]] those who will best be able to give him [[counsel]] and administer his [[policies]]. In seeking [[inspired]] and [[insightful]] solutions, may he continue to be [[considerate]] of the [[viewpoints]] of the widest possible segments of our [[society]], [[women]] and [[men]], toddlers and teenagers, young adults and the young-at-heart, as well as [[individuals]] of whatever background or [[belief]], to support the common [[good]], to [[respect]] the rights of each [[individual]]. We ask that he be moved to give the [[handicapped]] the visibility and special [[support]] they need to strengthen their sense of [[dignity]] and [[self]]-[[respect]].

We pray that president-elect Bill Clinton seek and be [[saturated]] with the [[love]], [[wisdom]] and [[strength]] of [[purpose]] to know and implement your [[plans]] for the improvement of our [[society]]. We ask that his [[faith]] continue to [[grow]], that he be prompted to [[pray]] daily. We pray that before every significant [[decision]], he [[quiet]] his mind to receive the imprint of his [[Thought Adjuster|indwelling monitor]], the affirmations of your [[Spirit of Truth]], and the [[admonitions]] of the seasoned spiritual advisers that have been [[assigned]] to him and his staff. We ask that he [[recognize]] those who will best be able to give him [[counsel]] and administer his [[policies]]. In seeking [[inspired]] and [[insightful]] solutions, may he continue to be [[considerate]] of the [[viewpoints]] of the widest possible segments of our [[society]], [[women]] and [[men]], toddlers and teenagers, young adults and the young-at-heart, as well as [[individuals]] of whatever background or [[belief]], to support the common [[good]], to [[respect]] the rights of each [[individual]]. We ask that he be moved to give the [[handicapped]] the visibility and special [[support]] they need to strengthen their sense of [[dignity]] and [[self]]-[[respect]].

May this [[nation]] thereby be an [[example]] to the rest of the world that [[unity]] and [[diversity]] is truly [[supreme]]. As the torch is passed from one [[administration]] to the next, we ask that a greater [[balance]] be achieved between global and domestic affairs. We pray that the [[peace]]-keeping [[efforts]] by our [[government]] in [[cooperation]] with the family of [[nations]] continue to be advanced against [[tyranny]], and [[oppression]], and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_mass_destruction weapons of mass destruction]. We further plead that such [[efforts]] be better [[organized]] to [[respond]] more quickly to such devastation as we are witnessing in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia Somalia], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe eastern Europe] and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East Middle East].

May this [[nation]] thereby be an [[example]] to the rest of the world that [[unity]] and [[diversity]] is truly [[supreme]]. As the torch is passed from one [[administration]] to the next, we ask that a greater [[balance]] be achieved between global and domestic affairs. We pray that the [[peace]]-keeping [[efforts]] by our [[government]] in [[cooperation]] with the family of [[nations]] continue to be advanced against [[tyranny]], and [[oppression]], and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_mass_destruction weapons of mass destruction]. We further plead that such [[efforts]] be better [[organized]] to [[respond]] more quickly to such devastation as we are witnessing in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia Somalia], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe eastern Europe] and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East Middle East].

Domestically, we [[pray]] that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton Bill Clinton] sponsor [[legislation]] to increase incentives for [[investment]] and employment in this country and thus help to restore [[dignity]] and [[self]]-[[worth]] to the many Americans who are unemployed, underemployed or who are submerged in self-defeating [[life styles]]. We pray that Bill Clinton not only address the [[material]] needs of our people, but also be [[appreciative]] of their [[spiritual]] [[ideals]]. We ask that he rise above partisan politics and special interests to develop a [[consensus]] for advancing the best interests of our [[society]] as a whole. It is our wish that he be [[pragmatic]] enough to be an effective [[leader]] without sacrificing the high [[ideals]] of which we speak. We pray that Bill Clinton be mindful of the long-term [[consequences]] of his [[policies]], that he [[practice]] the patience [[necessary]] to see his programs through to fruition. We also pray, Michael, that he be [[strengthened]] to stand up for what he knows to be right despite whatever [[opposition]] might be arrayed against him. We further ask that he not be [[tempted]] by the power of his office to be self-serving but always [[honor]] the presidency as an outstanding [[opportunity]] to be of [[service]] to [[the Father]] and his fellow [[sisters and brothers]] everywhere. Finally, we pray that the Clinton presidency empower those who portray [[this planet]] as a living [[organism]], which is the [[foundation]] for all the other things that we pray for, so that we may be [[encouraged]], all encouraged, to restore her [[breath]] and ours. May we be available to [[assist]] this new [[administration]] in whatever way we may be called to serve. Nevertheless, may our Father's will be done. Amen.

Domestically, we [[pray]] that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton Bill Clinton] sponsor [[legislation]] to increase incentives for [[investment]] and employment in this country and thus help to restore [[dignity]] and [[self]]-[[worth]] to the many Americans who are unemployed, underemployed or who are submerged in self-defeating [[life styles]]. We pray that Bill Clinton not only address the [[material]] needs of our people, but also be [[appreciative]] of their [[spiritual]] [[ideals]]. We ask that he rise above partisan politics and special interests to develop a [[consensus]] for advancing the best interests of our [[society]] as a whole. It is our wish that he be [[pragmatic]] enough to be an effective [[leader]] without sacrificing the high [[ideals]] of which we speak. We pray that Bill Clinton be mindful of the long-term [[consequences]] of his [[policies]], that he [[practice]] the patience [[necessary]] to see his programs through to fruition. We also pray, Michael, that he be [[strengthened]] to stand up for what he knows to be right despite whatever [[opposition]] might be arrayed against him. We further ask that he not be [[tempted]] by the power of his office to be self-serving but always [[honor]] the presidency as an outstanding [[opportunity]] to be of [[service]] to [[the Father]] and his fellow [[sisters and brothers]] everywhere. Finally, we pray that the Clinton presidency empower those who portray [[this planet]] as a living [[organism]], which is the [[foundation]] for all the other things that we pray for, so that we may be [[encouraged]], all encouraged, to restore her [[breath]] and ours. May we be available to [[assist]] this new [[administration]] in whatever way we may be called to serve. Nevertheless, may our Father's will be done. Amen.

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

===='''''[[Prayer]]'''''====

===='''''[[Prayer]]'''''====

A: Not for the [[purpose]] of [[prayer]] and [[worship]].

A: Not for the [[purpose]] of [[prayer]] and [[worship]].

Q: How about for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki Reiki] [[healing]]?

Q: How about for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki Reiki] [[healing]]?

A: Such things were discussed in [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-11-08-Healing the lesson with Andrea]. As you will recall, such things may slightly divert [[energy]], but they will not stop the [[flow]].

A: Such things were discussed in [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-11-08-Healing the lesson with Andrea]. As you will recall, such things may slightly divert [[energy]], but they will not stop the [[flow]].

Q: Welmek, when someone is [[praying]] for a specific outcome, and though their [[intentions]] may be [[pure]], what if that outcome is not in line with [[the Father]]'s will?

Q: Welmek, when someone is [[praying]] for a specific outcome, and though their [[intentions]] may be [[pure]], what if that outcome is not in line with [[the Father]]'s will?

WELMEK: Too much turkey yesterday. (laughter)

WELMEK: Too much turkey yesterday. (laughter)

Q: Welmek, last week you mentioned something that you were going to have some comments on our [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving Thanksgiving observation]. Are you going to talk about that at all? How we give [[thanks]] on this holiday?

Q: Welmek, last week you mentioned something that you were going to have some comments on our [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving Thanksgiving observation]. Are you going to talk about that at all? How we give [[thanks]] on this holiday?

A: My basic [[observation]] is that, in [[fact]], most do not give thanks. You come [[together]] in your family groups and you enjoy [[companionship]] and [[food]] and drink and [[rest]]; and this is valuable and this is worthwhile. But I daresay that in many households, nothing more than a token [[thanksgiving]] is offered, if even that.

A: My basic [[observation]] is that, in [[fact]], most do not give thanks. You come [[together]] in your family groups and you enjoy [[companionship]] and [[food]] and drink and [[rest]]; and this is valuable and this is worthwhile. But I daresay that in many households, nothing more than a token [[thanksgiving]] is offered, if even that.

Try to think in your own [[minds]], that if you had a [[concept]] of continuing life and if you had a concept of continuing [[spiritual development]], but yet you lacked a [[universe]] view, you did not know there is a [[Grand Universe|vast universe]] where you can continue life, then would you not only be able to [[conclude]] that you must come back to this particular [[planet]]. Where else could you go if you had no [[awareness]] of how a [[universe]] is [[organized]] and how there are so many worlds waiting to help you and [[train]] you as you [[progress]].  

Try to think in your own [[minds]], that if you had a [[concept]] of continuing life and if you had a concept of continuing [[spiritual development]], but yet you lacked a [[universe]] view, you did not know there is a [[Grand Universe|vast universe]] where you can continue life, then would you not only be able to [[conclude]] that you must come back to this particular [[planet]]. Where else could you go if you had no [[awareness]] of how a [[universe]] is [[organized]] and how there are so many worlds waiting to help you and [[train]] you as you [[progress]].  

The [[experience]] of [[thinking]] that one has had a previous [[existence]] is a real [[phenomenon]] to the extent that you have a strong [[impression]] made upon your [[mind]]. [[Understand]] that you are a product of [[heredity]], that you have had [[ancestors]] who have gone before you and that there is, in a sense, a sort of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_memory_%28psychology%29 genetic memory] within each of you. Secondly, you have very little [[understanding]] of the [[concept]] of [[mind]] and the [[mind circuits]]. There is a mind circuit, a [[universal mind]], and it is as if each of you are plugged into it in a sense. On occasion, it is possible to tap into this mind and to possibly pick up a [[memory]], a [[reflection]], an [[experience]] of some other [[human being]] who has contributed due to their life on [[this planet]] to this [[Collective Unconscious|collective cultural unconscious mind]]. Therefore, without this [[understanding]], when one has such an [[experience]], would it not seem [[natural]] that they would conclude that it was the [[individual]] himself who must have had this life, this [[experience]]?

The [[experience]] of [[thinking]] that one has had a previous [[existence]] is a real [[phenomenon]] to the extent that you have a strong [[impression]] made upon your [[mind]]. [[Understand]] that you are a product of [[heredity]], that you have had [[ancestors]] who have gone before you and that there is, in a sense, a sort of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_memory_%28psychology%29 genetic memory] within each of you. Secondly, you have very little [[understanding]] of the [[concept]] of [[mind]] and the [[mind circuits]]. There is a mind circuit, a [[universal mind]], and it is as if each of you are plugged into it in a sense. On occasion, it is possible to tap into this mind and to possibly pick up a [[memory]], a [[reflection]], an [[experience]] of some other [[human being]] who has contributed due to their life on [[this planet]] to this [[Collective Unconscious|collective cultural unconscious mind]]. Therefore, without this [[understanding]], when one has such an [[experience]], would it not seem [[natural]] that they would conclude that it was the [[individual]] himself who must have had this life, this [[experience]]?

Q: Could this experience also come from our [[Mystery Monitors]]?

Q: Could this experience also come from our [[Mystery Monitors]]?

Q: Could you [[explain]] this, the [[function]] and [[meaning]] behind the [[statements]] of the [[tree of life]] in the [[Urantia Book]]?

Q: Could you [[explain]] this, the [[function]] and [[meaning]] behind the [[statements]] of the [[tree of life]] in the [[Urantia Book]]?

A: I am not [[permitted]] to give you details except to say [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_73#73:6._THE_TREE_OF_LIFE what your text states]. Essentially, the [[concept]] of the [[tree of life]] is related to a substance which [[Adam and Eve]] and others were able to partake of. They had a [[dual]] [[energy]] system. This substance energized their other energy system; and I will only say that this energy system had the [[potential]] of keeping their [[human]] [[energy]] system vitalized to a point where it would not [[experience]] deterioration.

A: I am not [[permitted]] to give you details except to say [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_73#73:6._THE_TREE_OF_LIFE what your text states]. Essentially, the [[concept]] of the [[tree of life]] is related to a substance which [[Adam and Eve]] and others were able to partake of. They had a [[dual]] [[energy]] system. This substance energized their other energy system; and I will only say that this energy system had the [[potential]] of keeping their [[human]] [[energy]] system vitalized to a point where it would not [[experience]] deterioration.

Q: What kind of situations would cause someone to be able to gain [[access]] to [[past]] [[memories]]..(?)

Q: What kind of situations would cause someone to be able to gain [[access]] to [[past]] [[memories]]..(?)

A: As I have said in earlier [[meetings]], I truly cannot [[understand]] this. [[Beings]] who come from worlds like yours, when they [[awaken]] on the [[mansion worlds]], it is such an improvement, there is so much [[joy]] and [[beauty]] that they are [[excited]] and they wish to go on. I have actually known a few [[individuals]] who chose not to go on, but they came from worlds like my own that were already settled in [[Light and Life]]. Having [[experienced]] what I have and knowing of the [[joy]] and the [[beauty]] and the [[goodness]] that awaits each [[individual]] as they progress, I truly cannot [[understand]] why any individual would make such a [[choice]]; and I again would say that it is very rare indeed, but it does happen.

A: As I have said in earlier [[meetings]], I truly cannot [[understand]] this. [[Beings]] who come from worlds like yours, when they [[awaken]] on the [[mansion worlds]], it is such an improvement, there is so much [[joy]] and [[beauty]] that they are [[excited]] and they wish to go on. I have actually known a few [[individuals]] who chose not to go on, but they came from worlds like my own that were already settled in [[Light and Life]]. Having [[experienced]] what I have and knowing of the [[joy]] and the [[beauty]] and the [[goodness]] that awaits each [[individual]] as they progress, I truly cannot [[understand]] why any individual would make such a [[choice]]; and I again would say that it is very rare indeed, but it does happen.

Q: Welmek, getting back to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_experience past life experience phenomena], does a particular [[person]] tap into a particular [[memory]] on a [[consistent]] basis or is it [[random]]?

Q: Welmek, getting back to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_experience past life experience phenomena], does a particular [[person]] tap into a particular [[memory]] on a [[consistent]] basis or is it [[random]]?

A: That is a [[difficult]] question because normally when the [[experience]] is more real, it would be [[random]], but once such an [[experience]] happens, the person's own [[mind]] and [[imagination]] can [[focus]] upon that experience and embellish it and the [[individual]] rarely able to distinguish what is a real momentary [[glimpse]] [[experience]] from what their own mind is [[projecting]] or imagining.

A: That is a [[difficult]] question because normally when the [[experience]] is more real, it would be [[random]], but once such an [[experience]] happens, the person's own [[mind]] and [[imagination]] can [[focus]] upon that experience and embellish it and the [[individual]] rarely able to distinguish what is a real momentary [[glimpse]] [[experience]] from what their own mind is [[projecting]] or imagining.

A: I cannot say. It could be either of the solutions that I presented to you.

A: I cannot say. It could be either of the solutions that I presented to you.

===='''''[[Epoch]]'''''====

===='''''[[New Age]]'''''====

Q: Are we coming close to the closing of the [[age]]?

Q: Are we coming close to the closing of the [[age]]?

A: Each [[92:4 The Gift of Revelation|epochal revelation]] in a sense is a beginning of a [[new age]]. It is a beginning of a new [[effort]] upon the part of your [[planetary government]] to improve the conditions upon this world.

A: Each [[92:4 The Gift of Revelation|epochal revelation]] in a sense is a beginning of a [[new age]]. It is a beginning of a new [[effort]] upon the part of your [[planetary government]] to improve the conditions upon this world.

===='''''[[Progress]]'''''====

===='''''[[Progress]]'''''====

Q: Welmek, I have a [[curiosity]] question. When I read [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus the Jesus papers], I get the [[feeling]] that we've made very little [[progress]] other than [[technological]] progress; and keeping that in [[mind]], in the last 30 years, 40 years, there's been huge [[technological]] [[progress]] that's changing many peoples' lives. So I have two questions. First, is it a true [[observation]] that we've had very little [[progress]] in things other than [[technology]]? And I guess it's up to us how that technology is going to [[change]] our lives, if it helps us to grow [[spiritually]] and frees us or we become even more burdened because of it.

Q: Welmek, I have a [[curiosity]] question. When I read [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus the Jesus papers], I get the [[feeling]] that we've made very little [[progress]] other than [[technological]] progress; and keeping that in [[mind]], in the last 30 years, 40 years, there's been huge [[technological]] [[progress]] that's changing many peoples' lives. So I have two questions. First, is it a true [[observation]] that we've had very little [[progress]] in things other than [[technology]]? And I guess it's up to us how that technology is going to [[change]] our lives, if it helps us to grow [[spiritually]] and frees us or we become even more burdened because of it.

A: I will address your second question first. [[Technology]] is a [[tool]]. Used in the hands of a spirit-led person, it can be a [[wonderful]] [[tool]]. Used in the hand of a person [[dominated]] by [[evil]], it can be a terrible tool. Concerning the issue of [[progress]], much depends upon what [[perspective]] you look at it from and what time frame you are using. From our [[point of view]], there has clearly been much [[progress]] on [[your planet]]. For example, if you were to look back [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_BC 2,000 years ago] to the time of the arrival of [[our Master]] upon [[this planet]], and you looked at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_empire civilization of the Romans], I believe it would be [[accurate]] that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_empire#Culture approximately 50 per cent of the people] were [[slaves]]. So in 2,000 years, there has been much [[progress]]. Many [[practices]] that existed in those times are no longer practiced. There has been [[progress]] in many areas. Too say that it has been too fast or too slow might be an indication of lack of [[patience]]. Would you [[agree]]? Then would it not be [[fair]] to say that things have [[progressed]] according to [[God]]'s [[plan]] in the way that they should?

A: I will address your second question first. [[Technology]] is a [[tool]]. Used in the hands of a spirit-led person, it can be a [[wonderful]] [[tool]]. Used in the hand of a person [[dominated]] by [[evil]], it can be a terrible tool. Concerning the issue of [[progress]], much depends upon what [[perspective]] you look at it from and what time frame you are using. From our [[point of view]], there has clearly been much [[progress]] on [[your planet]]. For example, if you were to look back [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_BC 2,000 years ago] to the time of the arrival of [[our Master]] upon [[this planet]], and you looked at the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_empire civilization of the Romans], I believe it would be [[accurate]] that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_empire#Culture approximately 50 per cent of the people] were [[slaves]]. So in 2,000 years, there has been much [[progress]]. Many [[practices]] that existed in those times are no longer practiced. There has been [[progress]] in many areas. Too say that it has been too fast or too slow might be an indication of lack of [[patience]]. Would you [[agree]]? Then would it not be [[fair]] to say that things have [[progressed]] according to [[God]]'s [[plan]] in the way that they should?

Q: Yes.

Q: Yes.

A: Then I would suggest that those [[thoughts]] that are of greatest [[value]] have a longer and more permanent [[effect]], while those [[thoughts]] that are of little value would tend to fade away.

A: Then I would suggest that those [[thoughts]] that are of greatest [[value]] have a longer and more permanent [[effect]], while those [[thoughts]] that are of little value would tend to fade away.

Q: Welmek, I formed "Matthew ask a question." Do you know anything about [http://www.doorinternational.com/ deaf opportunity?

Q: Welmek, I formed "Matthew ask a question." Do you know anything about [https://www.doorinternational.com/ deaf opportunity]?

A: I am not that familiar, but I would [[encourage]] him to ask his question.

A: I am not that familiar, but I would [[encourage]] him to ask his question.

Q: In deaf opportunity there are many issues. One big issue is [[communication]] [[method]]. There are many fights about deaf people communicating in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_language sign language] or the oral method. I would like your thoughts on that issue, if you know anything about that.

Q: In deaf opportunity there are many issues. One big issue is [[communication]] [[method]]. There are many fights about deaf people communicating in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_language sign language] or the oral method. I would like your thoughts on that issue, if you know anything about that.

A: Our primary [[mission]] is to help [[individuals]] in their [[spiritual progress]]. There are many [[social]] issues which must evolve. [[Individual]] humans must [[decide]] what is best for a [[culture]] at a particular time. I would [[encourage]] anyone who has [[thought]] deeply about such an issue and who truly believes that they have felt [[guidance]] about this issue to strongly and heroically present their [[ideas]] to try to bring about [[change]]. However, it is not our place to say which [[method]] is best. It is up to [[humans]] to resolve this question for themselves.

A: Our primary [[mission]] is to help [[individuals]] in their [[spiritual progress]]. There are many [[social]] issues which must evolve. [[Individual]] humans must [[decide]] what is best for a [[culture]] at a particular time. I would [[encourage]] anyone who has [[thought]] deeply about such an issue and who truly believes that they have felt [[guidance]] about this issue to strongly and heroically present their [[ideas]] to try to bring about [[change]]. However, it is not our place to say which [[method]] is best. It is up to [[humans]] to resolve this question for themselves.

===='''''[[Tradition]]'''''====

===='''''[[Tradition]]'''''====

Q: How will [[institutionalized]] [[religions]] be impacted by [[Teaching Mission|this teaching]] in this next [[phase]]?

Q: How will [[institutionalized]] [[religions]] be impacted by [[Teaching Mission|this teaching]] in this next [[phase]]?

A: Much depends upon the [[time]] frame which you look at it from. If you were to invite the [[average]] minister to this group, what do you think they would say?

A: Much depends upon the [[time]] frame which you look at it from. If you were to invite the [[average]] minister to this group, what do you think they would say?

Q: They would want mass [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism exorcism].

Q: They would want mass [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism exorcism].

A: I would suggest that any [[teaching]] which promotes [[individual]] [[religion]], and by individual religion I mean the [[idea]] that individual is indwelt by a [[Thought Adjuster|fragment of the Universal Father]] and therefore has [[immediate]] [[access]] to the [[love]] and [[guidance]] of [[the Father]], would likely be seen as a threat at this [[time]] to most [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/religion organized religions]. It would not have to be this way if their [[goal]] was to truly help you as an [[individual]] find [[God within]] you, but is that really the [[goal]] of most of them? Or is their [[goal]] to [[interpret]] what God wants for you and what God is truly saying, and want you to come to them for that [[interpretation]]? In time, as more and more people [[awaken]] to God's [[presence]] within them, it will have an [[evolutionary]] impact. Sooner or later, more and more [[individuals]] who have a [[sympathetic]] regard for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_religion organized religions], will demand change. As [[the text]] states, the religious [[institutions]] are the slowest to [[change]]. They [[believe]] that they are [[protecting]] [[God]]'s [[word]], and so they are very [[resistant]] to change. On the other hand, like any [[institution]], if they do not change and do not keep [[pace]] with the [[spiritual evolution]] on [[this planet]], they will [[eventually]] find themselves only talking to themselves; and their number will become very small. But I would not suggest that this will happen in a short time. It will still take several [[generations]] to see [[dramatic]] impacts, dramatic [[effects]] in this way. It could happen sooner, but it is really up to each of you and to the humans on [[this planet]]. If you could imagine that once each week, even 50% of the humans on [[this planet]] were attending such a [[meeting]] as this where they are interested in finding more about [[God]]'s [[love]] and pursuing His [[presence]] and willing to [[forgive]] their [[brothers and sisters]] and trying to [[learn]] to love each other more, this would do more to [[change]] things more quickly on [[your planet]] than anything you could possibly [[imagine]]. But I would suggest we are a long, long way from 50% of the [[population]] participating in such a [[process]].

A: I would suggest that any [[teaching]] which promotes [[individual]] [[religion]], and by individual religion I mean the [[idea]] that individual is indwelt by a [[Thought Adjuster|fragment of the Universal Father]] and therefore has [[immediate]] [[access]] to the [[love]] and [[guidance]] of [[the Father]], would likely be seen as a threat at this [[time]] to most [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/religion organized religions]. It would not have to be this way if their [[goal]] was to truly help you as an [[individual]] find [[God within]] you, but is that really the [[goal]] of most of them? Or is their [[goal]] to [[interpret]] what God wants for you and what God is truly saying, and want you to come to them for that [[interpretation]]? In time, as more and more people [[awaken]] to God's [[presence]] within them, it will have an [[evolutionary]] impact. Sooner or later, more and more [[individuals]] who have a [[sympathetic]] regard for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_religion organized religions], will demand change. As [[the text]] states, the religious [[institutions]] are the slowest to [[change]]. They [[believe]] that they are [[protecting]] [[God]]'s [[word]], and so they are very [[resistant]] to change. On the other hand, like any [[institution]], if they do not change and do not keep [[pace]] with the [[spiritual evolution]] on [[this planet]], they will [[eventually]] find themselves only talking to themselves; and their number will become very small. But I would not suggest that this will happen in a short time. It will still take several [[generations]] to see [[dramatic]] impacts, dramatic [[effects]] in this way. It could happen sooner, but it is really up to each of you and to the humans on [[this planet]]. If you could imagine that once each week, even 50% of the humans on [[this planet]] were attending such a [[meeting]] as this where they are interested in finding more about [[God]]'s [[love]] and pursuing His [[presence]] and willing to [[forgive]] their [[brothers and sisters]] and trying to [[learn]] to love each other more, this would do more to [[change]] things more quickly on [[your planet]] than anything you could possibly [[imagine]]. But I would suggest we are a long, long way from 50% of the [[population]] participating in such a [[process]].

===='''''[[Survival]]'''''====

===='''''[[Survival]]'''''====

Q: Welmek, in the [[Rayson]] papers, my [[understanding]] was that if someone is truly [[iniquitous]] that the [[Thought Adjuster]] leaves them and they become truly [[dead]] even though the physical [[body]] lingers on. Do I [[understand]] that it then is possible to truly [[choose]] non-survival while in the human [[body]]?[http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=112:3_The_Phenomenon_of_Death]

Q: Welmek, in the [[Rayson]] papers, my [[understanding]] was that if someone is truly [[iniquitous]] that the [[Thought Adjuster]] leaves them and they become truly [[dead]] even though the physical [[body]] lingers on. Do I [[understand]] that it then is possible to truly [[choose]] non-survival while in the human [[body]]?[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=112:3_The_Phenomenon_of_Death]

A: It is not likely that this would happen while still in the [[flesh]]. In order to become [[iniquitous]], you must [[consciously]] [[choose]] [[sin]]. Most humans do not truly [[understand]] enough about truly what is [[sin]] to [[consciously]] pursue it. Many in the [[human]] form who might seem that way are likely to be very [[mentally]] or [[emotionally]] disturbed and therefore are not [[acting]] with a [[normal]] mind. Most, in [[fact]] I would dare say almost every human, would not make such a [[decision]] of such [[consequence]] until they have at least [[experienced]] many, many years on the [[mansion worlds]].

A: It is not likely that this would happen while still in the [[flesh]]. In order to become [[iniquitous]], you must [[consciously]] [[choose]] [[sin]]. Most humans do not truly [[understand]] enough about truly what is [[sin]] to [[consciously]] pursue it. Many in the [[human]] form who might seem that way are likely to be very [[mentally]] or [[emotionally]] disturbed and therefore are not [[acting]] with a [[normal]] mind. Most, in [[fact]] I would dare say almost every human, would not make such a [[decision]] of such [[consequence]] until they have at least [[experienced]] many, many years on the [[mansion worlds]].

Q: Welmek, I was curious about the [[posture]] that the [[Urantia Book]] has towards the [[experience]] of [[mota]] being primarily something we would [[experience]] after [[survival]]. Was the opening of the [[circuits]] something that would bring the [[morontial]] [[energies]] into play now so we can begin to experience [[mota]] in our present lives?

Q: Welmek, I was curious about the [[posture]] that the [[Urantia Book]] has towards the [[experience]] of [[mota]] being primarily something we would [[experience]] after [[survival]]. Was the opening of the [[circuits]] something that would bring the [[morontial]] [[energies]] into play now so we can begin to experience [[mota]] in our present lives?

A: The [[statements]] called [[morontia mota]] in your text [[represent]] a bridge between the highest human [[philosophy]] and the lower levels of [[morontia]] [[philosophy]] and [[wisdom]]. If you [[wonder]] if you have [[progressed]] and if you [[understand]] much, then [[read]] over [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_48#48:7._MORONTIA_MOTA these statements] and ask yourself if you truly understand them and if you think you do, then find someone and try to [[explain]] them to that person. Because if you truly [[understand]] something, you must be able to teach it or make it somewhat understandable to someone else. As you [[progress]] in [[the universe]], whatever you [[learn]] must not only be mastered by you, but it must be mastered in a way that you in turn can teach it to others. As you [[progress]], as you [[develop]], as you [[pray]], as you [[worship]], as you seek greater [[understanding]], the [[morontia mota]] [[concepts]] will become increasingly [[clear]] to you.

A: The [[statements]] called [[morontia mota]] in your text [[represent]] a bridge between the highest human [[philosophy]] and the lower levels of [[morontia]] [[philosophy]] and [[wisdom]]. If you [[wonder]] if you have [[progressed]] and if you [[understand]] much, then [[read]] over [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_48#48:7._MORONTIA_MOTA these statements] and ask yourself if you truly understand them and if you think you do, then find someone and try to [[explain]] them to that person. Because if you truly [[understand]] something, you must be able to teach it or make it somewhat understandable to someone else. As you [[progress]] in [[the universe]], whatever you [[learn]] must not only be mastered by you, but it must be mastered in a way that you in turn can teach it to others. As you [[progress]], as you [[develop]], as you [[pray]], as you [[worship]], as you seek greater [[understanding]], the [[morontia mota]] [[concepts]] will become increasingly [[clear]] to you.

===='''''[[Mind]]''''', '''''[[Focus]]'''''====

===='''''[[Mind]]''''', '''''[[Focus]]'''''====

Q: Welmek, you're talking about the [[mind circuits]]. I met a [[poet]] once who said, who stated what he called [[introspection]], [[meditation]], he felt that he obtained his poetry from a common, I don't know if he referred to it as a [[mind circuit]], but he felt that it was not of his own [[creation]]. Would this be something that would tie into the [[mind circuit]] as you [[described]] it? Would these be [[prayers]] or [[thoughts]] that have been registered?

Q: Welmek, you're talking about the [[mind circuits]]. I met a [[poet]] once who said, who stated what he called [[introspection]], [[meditation]], he felt that he obtained his poetry from a common, I don't know if he referred to it as a [[mind circuit]], but he felt that it was not of his own [[creation]]. Would this be something that would tie into the [[mind circuit]] as you [[described]] it? Would these be [[prayers]] or [[thoughts]] that have been registered?

Q: Yes. Thank you.

Q: Yes. Thank you.

Q: Talking about the [[souls]] that go on to the [[morontial worlds]] that in their [[human]] life what we would consider great [[sinners]], such as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler Hitlers] and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein Husseins] and that type, and those that do [[choose]] to move on, do they choose to do anything special in terms of [[repentance]] or [[compensation]] or anything like that?

Q: Talking about the [[souls]] that go on to the [[morontial worlds]] that in their [[human]] life what we would consider great [[sinners]], such as the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler Hitlers] and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein Husseins] and that type, and those that do [[choose]] to move on, do they choose to do anything special in terms of [[repentance]] or [[compensation]] or anything like that?

A: I can only say that they must undergo extensive [[rehabilitation]]. Can you [[imagine]] if you [[awoke]] on the [[mansion worlds]] and [[realized]] the [[love]] and the [[beauty]] and the [[goodness]] that exist, and you [[reflected]] back upon your life and how many [[innocent]] humans you had murdered or [[tortured]] or whatever, how do you [[think]] you would [[feel]]? Do you think that you would even feel [[worthy]] to go on?

A: I can only say that they must undergo extensive [[rehabilitation]]. Can you [[imagine]] if you [[awoke]] on the [[mansion worlds]] and [[realized]] the [[love]] and the [[beauty]] and the [[goodness]] that exist, and you [[reflected]] back upon your life and how many [[innocent]] humans you had murdered or [[tortured]] or whatever, how do you [[think]] you would [[feel]]? Do you think that you would even feel [[worthy]] to go on?

Q: Also, as a [[parent]], it goes on further because as your grandchildren come along, then we extend our [[love]] even more. Then not only do we [[love]] our children and our grandchildren, then we have their mates and they become a part of us and so you have to love them. Sometimes you get [[irritated]] at them..(laughter)

Q: Also, as a [[parent]], it goes on further because as your grandchildren come along, then we extend our [[love]] even more. Then not only do we [[love]] our children and our grandchildren, then we have their mates and they become a part of us and so you have to love them. Sometimes you get [[irritated]] at them..(laughter)

Q: To me, it's a deeper kind of a [[love]] and when we first started to talk about this, what came to [[mind]] was when in [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus the Jesus papers] where [[Jesus]] talked about [[John Mark]] and how his [[parents]] had done such a [[wonderful]] job in bringing him up by not extending too much love to him. So the [[love]] of a [[parent]] being able to, when it's [[necessary]] for the [[strength]] of the child, to say no and at times even risk losing that [[relationship]] because you [[love]] them, to me that's a deeper love than what we usually have to [[share]] in our [[brother and sister]] [[relationships]].

Q: To me, it's a deeper kind of a [[love]] and when we first started to talk about this, what came to [[mind]] was when in [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus the Jesus papers] where [[Jesus]] talked about [[John Mark]] and how his [[parents]] had done such a [[wonderful]] job in bringing him up by not extending too much love to him. So the [[love]] of a [[parent]] being able to, when it's [[necessary]] for the [[strength]] of the child, to say no and at times even risk losing that [[relationship]] because you [[love]] them, to me that's a deeper love than what we usually have to [[share]] in our [[brother and sister]] [[relationships]].

Q: Welmek, I would like to ask you, my [[feeling]] is whether it's this world or another, if you have this [[parental]]/child [[experience]], isn't this in fact a very moving and [[effective]] way to [[grow]] yourself, not only [[emotionally]], but [[spiritually]]? And if humans pass to the next world without this [[experience]], do they in fact experience it somewhere along their [[journey]]?

Q: Welmek, I would like to ask you, my [[feeling]] is whether it's this world or another, if you have this [[parental]]/child [[experience]], isn't this in fact a very moving and [[effective]] way to [[grow]] yourself, not only [[emotionally]], but [[spiritually]]? And if humans pass to the next world without this [[experience]], do they in fact experience it somewhere along their [[journey]]?

===Closing===

===Closing===

At this time, I believe this is a good point to bring the meeting towards conclusion. There have been many excellent ideas brought forth about the nature of brotherly and parental love. I would ask all of you, as an assignment, to look in your text for references to the differences or similarities between brotherly and sisterly and parental love, and that you come to our meeting next week prepared to continue this discussion. I sense that while many ideas have been expressed, in most of your minds there is still some confusion about this. And I suggest to you that this is a very important area for you to understand. So let us continue this discussion at our meeting next week; and meanwhile, look up these references in your text and think about these issues.  

At this time, I [[believe]] this is a good [[point]] to bring the [[meeting]] towards [[conclusion]]. There have been many excellent [[ideas]] brought forth about the [[nature]] of [[brotherly]] and [[parental]] [[love]]. I would ask all of you, as an [[assignment]], to look in [[your text]] for [[references]] to the differences or similarities between brotherly and sisterly and parental love, and that you come to our [[meeting]] next week [[prepared]] to continue this [[discussion]]. I sense that while many [[ideas]] have been [[expressed]], in most of your [[minds]] there is still some [[confusion]] about this. And I suggest to you that this is a very important area for you to [[understand]]. So let us continue this [[discussion]] at our [[meeting]] next week; and meanwhile, look up these [[references]] in [[your text]] and think about these issues.  

As your text says, so few mortals really think. When we present these lessons, it is important that you reread these transcripts and that you think about what is being said. If you have confusion, try to think and weigh and assess and compare and contrast the ideas that are being presented so that you have a fuller grasp of their meaning. And if you are still uncertain, then write down your questions; and bring these questions to a subsequent meeting.  

As [[your text]] says, so few [[mortals]] really [[think]]. When we present these lessons, it is important that you reread these [[transcripts]] and that you [[think]] about what is being said. If you have [[confusion]], try to think and weigh and [[assess]] and [[compare]] and [[contrast]] the [[ideas]] that are being presented so that you have a fuller grasp of their [[meaning]]. And if you are still uncertain, then write down your [[questions]]; and bring these questions to a subsequent meeting.  

Much food for thought, much substantive thought has been discussed this evening. Do not allow it to simply fade away. Reread, study, think, so that it becomes part of your understanding and part of your experience; so that when we conclude our discussion about this, if someone were to come up to you and ask you what is the difference between brotherly love and fatherly love, you will feel that you are more prepared to help them in their understanding and to guide them through the questions that will lead to a proper understanding.  

Much [[food]] for [[thought]], much substantive thought has been [[discussed]] this evening. Do not allow it to simply fade away. Reread, [[study]], [[think]], so that it becomes part of your [[understanding]] and part of your [[experience]]; so that when we [[conclude]] our [[discussion]] about this, if someone were to come up to you and ask you what is the difference between [[brotherly]] love and [[fatherly]] love, you will feel that you are more [[prepared]] to help them in their [[understanding]] and to guide them through the [[questions]] that will lead to a proper [[understanding]].  

I again wish to say that there are many other beings who are here witnessing this meeting. Many would wish to speak, but there is not time. I can assure you that they all send their love to you and your mere presence here, your willingness to spend your time seeking God's will and seeking to have a better understanding of life and of the Father is truly inspiring to all of those who are observing these events. Go in peace, and may God's love fill your souls so that your brothers and sisters may see this love pouring forth from you and want to partake of this love also.

I again wish to say that there are many other [[beings]] who are here [[witnessing]] this [[meeting]]. Many would wish to [[speak]], but there is not time. I can [[assure]] you that they all send their [[love]] to you and your mere [[presence]] here, your willingness to spend your [[time]] seeking [[God]]'s will and seeking to have a better [[understanding]] of life and of [[the Father]] is truly [[inspiring]] to all of those who are [[observing]] these events. Go in [[peace]], and may [[God]]'s [[love]] fill your [[souls]] so that your [[brothers and sisters]] may see this love pouring forth from you and want to partake of this [[love]] also.

GROUP: Goodnight, Welmek.

GROUP: Goodnight, Welmek.

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