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==Session==

==Session==

===Opening===

===Opening===

WELMEK: Greetings to all of you. This is your teacher and guide, Welmek. I am extremely pleased to see so many of you here and I extend warm greetings to those of you who have traveled from afar. Tonight we will begin with the assignment that was given to Dennis. As Michael explained to you earlier, Dennis will put into a short and meaningful prayer the many ideas that were discussed at a previous meeting. After that we will entertain whatever questions you may have. Since there are visitors, it would be good to open the meeting to a general discussion and allow the meeting to flow in the direction that will be most meaningful. Dennis, would you please share with the group what you have done?

WELMEK: Greetings to all of you. This is your [[teacher]] and guide, Welmek. I am extremely pleased to see so many of you here and I extend warm greetings to those of you who have [[traveled]] from afar. Tonight we will begin with the [[assignment]] that was given to Dennis. As Michael explained to you earlier, Dennis will put into a short and [[meaningful]] [[prayer]] the many [[ideas]] that were discussed at a previous [[meeting]]. After that we will entertain whatever questions you may have. Since there are [[visitors]], it would be good to open the meeting to a general [[discussion]] and allow the meeting to [[flow]] in the [[direction]] that will be most meaningful. Dennis, would you please [[share]] with the group what you have done?

DENNIS: Yes. Let us pray. As we pray for the presidency of Bill Clinton, let us for the moment suspend any differences we may have and reach down deep within our hearts and feel together the Father's love. As we do this, let us picture Bill Clinton in our mind's eye before us and allow this love to flow forth and surround him. (Pause) We submit to you Michael, our Master-Brother, these requests which represent a synthesis of the hopes we have expressed at an earlier gathering.

DENNIS: Yes. Let us [[pray]]. As we pray for the presidency of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_clinton Bill Clinton], let us for the moment [[suspend]] any [[differences]] we may have and reach down deep within our [[hearts]] and feel together [[the Father]]'s [[love]]. As we do this, let us picture [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_clinton Bill Clinton] in our [[mind's eye]] before us and allow this [[love]] to [[flow]] forth and [[surround]] him. (Pause) We submit to you [[Michael]], [[our Master]]-Brother, these requests which represent a [[synthesis]] of the [[hopes]] we have expressed at an earlier gathering.

We pray that president-elect Bill Clinton seek and be saturated with the love, wisdom and strength of purpose to know and implement your plans for the improvement of our society. We ask that his faith continue to grow, that he be prompted to pray daily. We pray that before every significant decision, he quiet his mind to receive the imprint of his indwelling monitor, the affirmations of your Spirit of Truth, and the admonitions of the seasoned spiritual advisers that have been assigned to him and his staff. We ask that he recognize those who will best be able to give him counsel and administer his policies. In seeking inspired and insightful solutions, may he continue to be considerate of the viewpoints of the widest possible segments of our society, women and men, toddlers and teenagers, young adults and the young-at-heart, as well as individuals of whatever background or belief, to support the common good, to respect the rights of each individual. We ask that he be moved to give the handicapped the visibility and special support they need to strengthen their sense of dignity and self-respect.

We pray that president-elect Bill Clinton seek and be [[saturated]] with the [[love]], [[wisdom]] and [[strength]] of [[purpose]] to know and implement your [[plans]] for the improvement of our [[society]]. We ask that his [[faith]] continue to [[grow]], that he be prompted to [[pray]] daily. We pray that before every significant [[decision]], he [[quiet]] his mind to receive the imprint of his [[Thought Adjuster|indwelling monitor]], the affirmations of your [[Spirit of Truth]], and the [[admonitions]] of the seasoned spiritual advisers that have been [[assigned]] to him and his staff. We ask that he [[recognize]] those who will best be able to give him [[counsel]] and administer his [[policies]]. In seeking [[inspired]] and [[insightful]] solutions, may he continue to be [[considerate]] of the [[viewpoints]] of the widest possible segments of our [[society]], [[women]] and [[men]], toddlers and teenagers, young adults and the young-at-heart, as well as [[individuals]] of whatever background or [[belief]], to support the common [[good]], to [[respect]] the rights of each [[individual]]. We ask that he be moved to give the [[handicapped]] the visibility and special [[support]] they need to strengthen their sense of [[dignity]] and [[self]]-[[respect]].

May this nation thereby be an example to the rest of the world that unity and diversity is truly supreme. As the torch is passed from one administration to the next, we ask that a greater balance be achieved between global and domestic affairs. We pray that the peace-keeping efforts by our government in cooperation with the family of nations continue to be advanced against tyranny, and oppression, and the weapons of mass destruction. We further plead that such efforts be better organized to respond more quickly to such devastation as we are witnessing in Somalia, eastern Europe and the Middle East.

May this [[nation]] thereby be an [[example]] to the rest of the world that [[unity]] and [[diversity]] is truly [[supreme]]. As the torch is passed from one [[administration]] to the next, we ask that a greater [[balance]] be achieved between global and domestic affairs. We pray that the [[peace]]-keeping [[efforts]] by our [[government]] in [[cooperation]] with the family of [[nations]] continue to be advanced against [[tyranny]], and [[oppression]], and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_mass_destruction weapons of mass destruction]. We further plead that such [[efforts]] be better [[organized]] to [[respond]] more quickly to such devastation as we are witnessing in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia Somalia], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe eastern Europe] and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East Middle East].

Domestically, we pray that Bill Clinton sponsor legislation to increase incentives for investment and employment in this country and thus help to restore dignity and self-worth to the many Americans who are unemployed, underemployed or who are submerged in self-defeating life styles. We pray that Bill Clinton not only address the material needs of our people, but also be appreciative of their spiritual ideals. We ask that he rise above partisan politics and special interests to develop a consensus for advancing the best interests of our society as a whole. It is our wish that he be pragmatic enough to be an effective leader without sacrificing the high ideals of which we speak. We pray that Bill Clinton be mindful of the long-term consequences of his policies, that he practice the patience necessary to see his programs through to fruition. We also pray, Michael, that he be strengthened to stand up for what he knows to be right despite whatever opposition might be arrayed against him. We further ask that he not be tempted by the power of his office to be self-serving but always honor the presidency as an outstanding opportunity to be of service to the Father and his fellow sisters and brothers everywhere. Finally, we pray that the Clinton presidency empower those who portray this planet as a living organism, which is the foundation for all the other things that we pray for, so that we may be encouraged, all encouraged, to restore her breath and ours. May we be available to assist this new administration in whatever way we may be called to serve. Nevertheless, may our Father's will be done. Amen.

Domestically, we [[pray]] that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton Bill Clinton] sponsor [[legislation]] to increase incentives for [[investment]] and employment in this country and thus help to restore [[dignity]] and [[self]]-[[worth]] to the many Americans who are unemployed, underemployed or who are submerged in self-defeating [[life styles]]. We pray that Bill Clinton not only address the [[material]] needs of our people, but also be [[appreciative]] of their [[spiritual]] [[ideals]]. We ask that he rise above partisan politics and special interests to develop a [[consensus]] for advancing the best interests of our [[society]] as a whole. It is our wish that he be [[pragmatic]] enough to be an effective [[leader]] without sacrificing the high [[ideals]] of which we speak. We pray that Bill Clinton be mindful of the long-term [[consequences]] of his [[policies]], that he [[practice]] the patience [[necessary]] to see his programs through to fruition. We also pray, Michael, that he be [[strengthened]] to stand up for what he knows to be right despite whatever [[opposition]] might be arrayed against him. We further ask that he not be [[tempted]] by the power of his office to be self-serving but always [[honor]] the presidency as an outstanding [[opportunity]] to be of [[service]] to [[the Father]] and his fellow [[sisters and brothers]] everywhere. Finally, we pray that the Clinton presidency empower those who portray [[this planet]] as a living [[organism]], which is the [[foundation]] for all the other things that we pray for, so that we may be [[encouraged]], all encouraged, to restore her [[breath]] and ours. May we be available to [[assist]] this new [[administration]] in whatever way we may be called to serve. Nevertheless, may our Father's will be done. Amen.

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

WELMEK: You should be so lucky to have such a president. (laughter) You would probably want to make him your king. For the sake of explanation, do not think that your prayers must be so long. Understand that Dennis has summarized many ideas which were presented in the meeting; but the point of sincere and effective prayer is that as you envision the person you are praying for, that you feel God's love flow through you and emanate out towards this person. And secondly, that you pray for a specific purpose, specific outcome. As we have earlier discussed, to say "God bless America" is a wonderful thought but if you were an angel and anxiously awaiting to move to answer and take action to answer a prayer, what would you do? Where would you start? It is best to pray for specific outcomes, for specific purposes. Dennis stated this, many specific purposes, in a series of prayers. We will stop now and let us open the discussion to whatever questions you may have.

WELMEK: You should be so lucky to have such a president. ([[laughter]]) You would probably want to make him your [[king]]. For the sake of [[explanation]], do not think that your [[prayers]] must be so long. [[Understand]] that Dennis has summarized many [[ideas]] which were presented in the [[meeting]]; but the point of [[sincere]] and [[effective prayer]] is that as you [[envision]] the person you are praying for, that you feel [[God]]'s [[love]] [[flow]] through you and [[emanate]] out towards this [[person]]. And secondly, that you pray for a specific [[purpose]], specific outcome. As we have earlier discussed, to say "God bless America" is a [[wonderful]] [[thought]] but if you were an [[angel]] and anxiously awaiting to move to answer and take [[action]] to answer a prayer, what would you do? Where would you start? It is best to pray for specific outcomes, for specific [[purposes]]. Dennis stated this, many specific [[purposes]], in a series of prayers. We will stop now and let us open the [[discussion]] to whatever [[questions]] you may have.

Q: Welmek, one thought that I had a couple weeks ago, I've always found out that when I'm meditating or praying or whatever, seeking the stillness, I am more comfortable if I take my watch and my keys and wallet off. Does the watch or anything like that cause interference or anything like that when you're meditating?

Q: Welmek, one thought that I had a couple weeks ago, I've always found out that when I'm [[meditating]] or [[praying]] or whatever, seeking the [[stillness]], I am more comfortable if I take my watch and my keys and wallet off. Does the watch or anything like that cause [[interference]] or anything like that when you're [[meditating]]?

A: Only if it is a distraction to you and you are aware of the presence of these things or they affect you in some physical way to make you uncomfortable. If you are suggesting do they necessarily interrupt a thought process in any way, then I would say no. It is simply a matter of your being comfortable so that various things do not distract you.

A: Only if it is a distraction to you and you are aware of the [[presence]] of these things or they [[affect]] you in some [[physical]] way to make you uncomfortable. If you are suggesting do they necessarily interrupt a [[thought]] [[process]] in any way, then I would say no. It is simply a matter of your being [[comfortable]] so that various things do not distract you.

Q: Would the metal in them interfere with any energy flows or anything like that?

Q: Would the metal in them [[interfere]] with any [[energy]] [[flows]] or anything like that?

A: Not for the purpose of prayer and worship.

A: Not for the [[purpose]] of [[prayer]] and [[worship]].

Q: How about for Reiki healing?

Q: How about for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki Reiki] [[healing]]?

A: Such things were discussed in the lesson with Andrea. As you will recall, such things may slightly divert energy, but they will not stop the flow.

A: Such things were discussed in [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-11-08-Healing the lesson with Andrea]. As you will recall, such things may slightly divert [[energy]], but they will not stop the [[flow]].

Q: Welmek, when someone is praying for a specific outcome, and though their intentions may be pure, what if that outcome is not in line with the Father's will?

Q: Welmek, when someone is [[praying]] for a specific outcome, and though their [[intentions]] may be [[pure]], what if that outcome is not in line with [[the Father]]'s will?

A: If you are praying sincerely and effectively, it is hard to imagine that it would not be in consonance with the Father's will. First, you must understand that you are not praying to change a circumstance or condition which this person is now in. That is not your prerogative to do so. What you are praying for is that the person will develop more insight, more understanding, more alter, adjust their attitude towards this condition or to come to understand it in a better way. So if you were to pray for what I have suggested, can you imagine that it might be against the Father's will?

A: If you are praying [[sincerely]] and [[effectively]], it is hard to [[imagine]] that it would not be in [[consonance]] with [[the Father]]'s will. First, you must [[understand]] that you are not praying to change a circumstance or condition which this [[person]] is now in. That is not your [[prerogative]] to do so. What you are praying for is that the person will [[develop]] more [[insight]], more [[understanding]], more alter, [[adjust]] their [[attitude]] towards this condition or to come to [[understand]] it in a better way. So if you were to pray for what I have suggested, can you [[imagine]] that it might be against [[the Father]]'s will?

Q: That clears up the question. (long pause)

Q: That [[clears]] up the question. (long pause)

WELMEK: Too much turkey yesterday. (laughter)

WELMEK: Too much turkey yesterday. (laughter)

Q: Welmek, last week you mentioned something that you were going to have some comments on our Thanksgiving observation. Are you going to talk about that at all? How we give thanks on this holiday?

Q: Welmek, last week you mentioned something that you were going to have some comments on our [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving Thanksgiving observation]. Are you going to talk about that at all? How we give [[thanks]] on this holiday?

A: My basic observation is that, in fact, most do not give thanks. You come together in your family groups and you enjoy companionship and food and drink and rest; and this is valuable and this is worthwhile. But I daresay that in many households, nothing more than a token thanksgiving is offered, if even that.

A: My basic [[observation]] is that, in [[fact]], most do not give thanks. You come [[together]] in your family groups and you enjoy [[companionship]] and [[food]] and drink and [[rest]]; and this is valuable and this is worthwhile. But I daresay that in many households, nothing more than a token [[thanksgiving]] is offered, if even that.

Q: How would you suggest we express thanksgiving?

Q: How would you suggest we [[express]] [[thanksgiving]]?

A: I would not suggest or prescribe the particular words for you. But I would suggest that each family or each group that shares Thanksgiving together take some time and think about what they have to be thankful for; and if they do that, surely there is much they can be thankful for. Whether one individual leads a time for thanksgiving or allows some quiet time for each individual to think about what they have to be thankful for does not matter. Secondly, I am not just referring to what you do as a group. But I am also referring to each of you individually. How many of you, after sharing this time with family and friends, went home and truly reflected upon and thought about what you have to be thankful for?

A: I would not suggest or [[prescribe]] the particular [[words]] for you. But I would suggest that each [[family]] or each [[group]] that shares Thanksgiving together take some time and [[think]] about what they have to be thankful for; and if they do that, surely there is much they can be thankful for. Whether one [[individual]] [[leads]] a time for thanksgiving or allows some [[quiet]] time for each [[individual]] to think about what they have to be thankful for does not matter. Secondly, I am not just referring to what you do as a [[group]]. But I am also referring to each of you [[individually]]. How many of you, after [[sharing]] this time with [[family]] and [[friends]], went home and truly [[reflected]] upon and [[thought]] about what you have to be thankful for?

Q: Welmek, I'd like to ask a [[question]]. I don't know if the Cincinnati [[visitors]] have talked about this, but Bob and I get phone calls to this effect all the time. For those of us who have [[friends]] who may request [[teachers]] in [[future]], your answer could be helpful too. What suggestions would you give to a [[group]] who has requested a [[teacher]] so that that would help them [[prepare]] themselves for the coming of that [[teacher]]?

Q: Welmek, I'd like to ask a question. I don't know if the Cincinnati visitors have talked about this, but Bob and I get phone calls to this effect all the time. For those of us who have friends who may request teachers in future, your answer could be helpful too. What suggestions would you give to a group who has requested a teacher so that that would help them prepare themselves for the coming of that teacher?

A: First, as we have [[discussed]] before, I would suggest that you send some [[transcripts]] to these [[individuals]] and suggest that they [[read]] some of them. Secondly, it is helpful if someone who has [[participated]] in the [[teaching mission]] could go and talk to a particular group and [[discuss]] the mission with them. Thirdly, I would suggest that if there are two or more that are interested in [[the mission]], that they [[agree]] to set aside a time when they will meet for the specific [[purpose]] of participating in this mission. If they do not yet have a teacher, I would suggest that at this time they [[read]] and [[discuss]] the [[content]] of the [[transcripts]]. I would suggest that each of the [[individuals]] seek the [[stillness]], that they [[worship]], that they [[pray]] and that they ask themselves whether or not they would be willing to serve in the role of the human [[transmitter/receiver]] so that when a [[teacher]] is assigned there will be a [[human]] to [[communicate]] the teacher's [[message]].

Q: Welmek, could you give us a [[universe]] view of our [[concept]] of [[reincarnation]] and [[karma]]?

A: First, as we have discussed before, I would suggest that you send some transcripts to these individuals and suggest that they read some of them. Secondly, it is helpful if someone who has participated in the teaching mission could go and talk to a particular group and discuss the mission with them. Thirdly, I would suggest that if there are two or more that are interested in the mission, that they agree to set aside a time when they will meet for the specific purpose of participating in this mission. If they do not yet have a teacher, I would suggest that at this time they read and discuss the content of the transcripts. I would suggest that each of the individuals seek the stillness, that they worship, that they pray and that they ask themselves whether or not they would be willing to serve in the role of the human transmitter/receiver so that when a teacher is assigned there will be a human to communicate the teacher's message.

A: As stated in the [[text]] of the [[Urantia Book]], [[reincarnation]] as commonly [[understood]], [[meaning]] that you as a [[human being]] have had a previous [[existence]] upon [[this planet]], is not real. This is your first [[existence]] as a [[human]]. When you pass on, when you [[experience]] physical [[death]], you will move to the next worlds, the [[mansion worlds]], and you will continue your [[progress]] through the entire [[universe]] and on beyond until you finally stand in the [[presence]] of the [[Paradise Father]]. Therefore, there is continuing life. Wherever you leave off, so to speak, in your [[spiritual development]] on [[this planet]], that is, in a sense, where you will pick up on the [[mansion worlds]]. These [[concepts]] are similar.  

Q: Welmek, could you give us a universe view of our concept of reincarnation and karma?

Try to think in your own [[minds]], that if you had a [[concept]] of continuing life and if you had a concept of continuing [[spiritual development]], but yet you lacked a [[universe]] view, you did not know there is a [[Grand Universe|vast universe]] where you can continue life, then would you not only be able to [[conclude]] that you must come back to this particular [[planet]]. Where else could you go if you had no [[awareness]] of how a [[universe]] is [[organized]] and how there are so many worlds waiting to help you and [[train]] you as you [[progress]].

A: As stated in the text of the Urantia Book, reincarnation as commonly understood, meaning that you as a human being have had a previous existence upon this planet, is not real. This is your first existence as a human. When you pass on, when you experience physical death, you will move to the next worlds, the mansion worlds, and you will continue your progress through the entire universe and on beyond until you finally stand in the presence of the Paradise Father. Therefore, there is continuing life. Wherever you leave off, so to speak, in your spiritual development on this planet, that is, in a sense, where you will pick up on the mansion worlds. These concepts are similar. Try to think in your own minds, that if you had a concept of continuing life and if you had a concept of continuing spiritual development, but yet you lacked a universe view, you did not know there is a vast universe where you can continue life, then would you not only be able to conclude that you must come back to this particular planet. Where else could you go if you had no awareness of how a universe is organized and how there are so many worlds waiting to help you and train you as you progress. The experience of thinking that one has had a previous existence is a real phenomenon to the extent that you have a strong impression made upon your mind. Understand that you are a product of heredity, that you have had ancestors who have gone before you and that there is, in a sense, a sort of genetic memory within each of you. Secondly, you have very little understanding of the concept of mind and the mind circuits. There is a mind circuit, a universal mind, and it is as if each of you are plugged into it in a sense. On occasion, it is possible to tap into this mind and to possibly pick up a memory, a reflection, an experience of some other human being who has contributed due to their life on this planet to this collective cultural unconscious mind. Therefore, without this Page 4 understanding, when one has such an experience, would it not seem natural that they would conclude that it was the individual himself who must have had this life, this experience?

The [[experience]] of [[thinking]] that one has had a previous [[existence]] is a real [[phenomenon]] to the extent that you have a strong [[impression]] made upon your [[mind]]. [[Understand]] that you are a product of [[heredity]], that you have had [[ancestors]] who have gone before you and that there is, in a sense, a sort of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_memory_%28psychology%29 genetic memory] within each of you. Secondly, you have very little [[understanding]] of the [[concept]] of [[mind]] and the [[mind circuits]]. There is a mind circuit, a [[universal mind]], and it is as if each of you are plugged into it in a sense. On occasion, it is possible to tap into this mind and to possibly pick up a [[memory]], a [[reflection]], an [[experience]] of some other [[human being]] who has contributed due to their life on [[this planet]] to this [[Collective Unconscious collective cultural unconscious mind]]. Therefore, without this [[understanding]], when one has such an [[experience]], would it not seem [[natural]] that they would conclude that it was the [[individual]] himself who must have had this life, this [[experience]]?

Q: Could this experience also come from our Mystery Monitors?

Q: Could this experience also come from our [[Mystery Monitors]]?

A: In what way?

A: In what way?

Q: Could we somehow tap into their experiences of living before?

Q: Could we somehow tap into their [[experiences]] of living before?

A: As your text states, none of the Mystery Monitors who indwell humans on this planet have ever indwelt humans on this planet before. They may have indwelt on other worlds, but the life and circumstances there would be different; and I would say that that is not part of the collective unconscious mind on this planet and that would not be possible.

A: As [[your text]] states, none of the [[Mystery Monitors]] who indwell [[humans]] on [[this planet]] have ever indwelt humans on this planet before. They may have indwelt on [[other worlds]], but the life and [[circumstances]] there would be [[different]]; and I would say that that is not part of the [[collective unconscious]] mind on [[this planet]] and that would not be possible.

Q: Could you explain this, the function and meaning behind the statements of the tree of life in the Urantia Book?

Q: Could you [[explain]] this, the [[function]] and [[meaning]] behind the [[statements]] of the [[tree of life]] in the [[Urantia Book]]?

A: I am not permitted to give you details except to say what your text states. Essentially, the concept of the tree of life is related to a substance which Adam and Eve and others were able to partake of. They had a dual energy system. This substance energized their other energy system; and I will only say that this energy system had the potential of keeping their human energy system vitalized to a point where it would not experience deterioration.

A: I am not [[permitted]] to give you details except to say [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_73#73:6._THE_TREE_OF_LIFE what your text states]. Essentially, the [[concept]] of the [[tree of life]] is related to a substance which [[Adam and Eve]] and others were able to partake of. They had a [[dual]] [[energy]] system. This substance energized their other energy system; and I will only say that this energy system had the [[potential]] of keeping their [[human]] [[energy]] system vitalized to a point where it would not [[experience]] deterioration.

Q: What kind of situations would cause someone to be able to gain access to past memories..(?)

Q: What kind of situations would cause someone to be able to gain [[access]] to [[past]] [[memories]]..(?)

A: Some are more susceptible than others to tap into such a mind circuit. If the person practices the meditation, seeking the stillness and has this objective in mind, they might improve their ability to occasionally tap into this mind circuit.

A: Some are more susceptible than others to tap into such a [[mind circuit]]. If the [[person]] [[practices]] the [[meditation]], seeking the [[stillness]] and has this [[objective]] in [[mind]], they might improve their [[ability]] to occasionally tap into this [[mind circuit]].

Q: Welmek, is this mind circuit the same circuit that is mentioned in the Urantia Book as the reflectivity circuit?

Q: Welmek, is this [[mind circuit]] the same circuit that is mentioned in the [[Urantia Book]] as the [[reflectivity]] circuit?

A: No, the reflectivity circuits and the mind circuit are separate and distinct things.

A: No, the reflectivity circuits and the mind circuit are [[separate]] and distinct [[things]].

Q: Welmek, I take it that none of us have the dual energy. Is it possible we could develop that?

Q: Welmek, I take it that none of us have the dual energy. Is it possible we could [[develop]] that?

A: No.

A: No.

Q: Why not?

Q: Why not?

A: Again, I would refer you to your text. Adam and Eve came from another world. They were given special bodies and they were given this special dual energy system to exist upon this planet. It is not native to this planet. It can only come from other worlds and must be given by these other worlds. It is not native to this planet.

A: Again, I would refer you to [[your text]]. [[Adam and Eve]] came from another world. They were given special [[bodies]] and they were given this special [[dual]] [[energy]] system to exist upon [[this planet]]. It is not [[native]] to this planet. It can only come from other worlds and must be given by these other worlds. It is not native to this planet.

 

Q: Welmek, in the Urantia Book it says that three things occur, could happen to you when you die. The first is to be immediately resurrected in one of the mansion worlds or mansion halls. The second is to become a sleeping survivor until resurrection en masse at a dispensational time. And the third, the comment is made that others may be detained until such time as their affairs are cleared up. Could you elaborate what that means?

Q: Welmek, in the [[Urantia Book]] it says that [[three]] things occur, could happen to you when you die. The first is to be [[immediately]] [[resurrected]] in one of the [[mansion worlds]] or mansion halls. The second is to become a [[sleeping survivor]] until [[resurrection]] en masse at a [[dispensational]] time. And the third, the comment is made that others may be detained until such time as their affairs are cleared up. Could you elaborate what that means?

A: I cannot comment.

A: I cannot comment.

Q: Along the same line, why would a soul not choose to go on in their universe career past a certain point?

Q: Along the same line, why would a [[soul]] not choose to go on in their [[universe career]] past a certain [[point]]?

A: As I have said in earlier meetings, I truly cannot understand this. Beings who come from worlds like yours, when they awaken on the mansion worlds, it is such an improvement, there is so much joy and beauty that they are excited and they wish to go on. I have actually known a few individuals who chose not to go on, but they came from worlds like my own that were already settled in Light and Life. Having experienced what I have and knowing of the joy and the beauty and the goodness that awaits each individual as they progress, I truly cannot understand why any individual would make such a choice; and I again would say that it is very rare indeed, but it does happen.

A: As I have said in earlier [[meetings]], I truly cannot [[understand]] this. [[Beings]] who come from worlds like yours, when they [[awaken]] on the [[mansion worlds]], it is such an improvement, there is so much [[joy]] and [[beauty]] that they are [[excited]] and they wish to go on. I have actually known a few [[individuals]] who chose not to go on, but they came from worlds like my own that were already settled in [[Light and Life]]. Having [[experienced]] what I have and knowing of the [[joy]] and the [[beauty]] and the [[goodness]] that awaits each [[individual]] as they progress, I truly cannot [[understand]] why any individual would make such a [[choice]]; and I again would say that it is very rare indeed, but it does happen.

Q: Welmek, getting back to the past life experience phenomena, does a particular person tap into a particular memory on a consistent basis or is it random?

Q: Welmek, getting back to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_experience past life experience phenomena], does a particular [[person]] tap into a particular [[memory]] on a [[consistent]] basis or is it [[random]]?

A: That is a difficult question because normally when the experience is more real, it would be random, but once such an experience happens, the person's own mind and imagination can focus upon that experience and embellish it and the individual rarely able to distinguish what is a real momentary glimpse experience from what their own mind is projecting or imagining.

A: That is a [[difficult]] question because normally when the [[experience]] is more real, it would be [[random]], but once such an [[experience]] happens, the person's own [[mind]] and [[imagination]] can [[focus]] upon that experience and embellish it and the [[individual]] rarely able to distinguish what is a real momentary [[glimpse]] [[experience]] from what their own mind is [[projecting]] or imagining.

Q: Okay, I understand that. What I'm thinking about is, say for example this is not the case, that I have a memory experience or something of somebody else's life in the past, that it would be documented elsewhere in history that's unbeknownst to me and then at another time have another experience in that same person's past, but another one of their experiences. What's the likelihood of that phenomena or is that just a matter of random chance again?

Q: Okay, I [[understand]] that. What I'm thinking about is, say for example this is not the case, that I have a [[memory]] [[experience]] or something of somebody else's life in the [[past]], that it would be [[documented]] elsewhere in [[history]] that's unbeknownst to me and then at another time have another [[experience]] in that same person's [[past]], but another one of their [[experiences]]. What's the likelihood of that [[phenomena]] or is that just a matter of [[random]] [[chance]] again?

A: I cannot say. It could be either of the solutions that I presented to you.

A: I cannot say. It could be either of the solutions that I presented to you.

A: Can you [[describe]] what you mean by an [[age]]?

 

A: Can you describe what you mean by an age?

 

Q: In the Urantia Book it talks about a dispensational age or is it the sleeping survivors, will be resurrected?

A: As you are aware there are various ethical revelations. The last being the presentation of the Urantia Book. I would suggest that as in as much as it is so recent, surely it will take more time for it to unfold before one could think that there would be an end to that age.

Q: In the [[Urantia Book]] it talks about a [[dispensational]] age or is it the [[sleeping survivors]], will be [[resurrected]]?

Q: So are you saying that the transmitting of the Urantia Book was the beginning of an age?

A: As you are aware there are various [[ethical]] [[revelations]]. The last being the presentation of the [[Urantia Book]]. I would suggest that as in as much as it is so recent, surely it will take more time for it to unfold before one could [[think]] that there would be an end to that [[age]].

A: Each epochal revelation in a sense is a beginning of a new age. It is a beginning of a new effort upon the part of your planetary government to improve the conditions upon this world.

Q: So are you saying that the [[transmitting]] of the [[Urantia Book]] was the beginning of an [[age]]?

Q: Welmek, I have a curiosity question. When I read the Jesus papers, I get the feeling that we've made very little progress other than technological progress; and keeping that in mind, in the last 30 years, 40 years, there's been huge technological progress that's changing many peoples' lives. So I have two questions. First, is it a true observation that we've had very little progress in things other than technology? And I guess it's up to us how that technology is going to change our lives, if it helps us to grow spiritually and frees us or we become even more burdened because of it.

Q: Welmek, I have a [[curiosity]] question. When I read [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus the Jesus papers], I get the [[feeling]] that we've made very little [[progress]] other than [[technological]] progress; and keeping that in [[mind]], in the last 30 years, 40 years, there's been huge [[technological]] [[progress]] that's changing many peoples' lives. So I have two questions. First, is it a true [[observation]] that we've had very little [[progress]] in things other than [[technology]]? And I guess it's up to us how that technology is going to [[change]] our lives, if it helps us to grow [[spiritually]] and frees us or we become even more burdened because of it.

A: I will address your second question first. Technology is a tool. Used in the hands of a spirit-led person, it can be a wonderful tool. Used in the hand of a person dominated by evil, it can be a terrible tool. Concerning the issue of progress, much depends upon what perspective you look at it from and what time frame you are using. From our point of view, there has clearly been much progress on your planet. For example, if you were to look back 2,000 years ago to the time of the arrival of our Master upon this planet, and you looked at the civilization of the Romans, I believe it would be accurate that approximately 50 per cent of the people were slaves. So in 2,000 years, there has been much progress. Many practices that existed in those times are no longer practiced. There has been progress in many areas. Too say that it has been too fast or too slow might be an indication of lack of patience. Would you agree? Then would it not be fair to say that things have progressed according to God's plan in the way that they should?

A: I will address your second question first. [[Technology]] is a [[tool]]. Used in the hands of a spirit-led person, it can be a [[wonderful]] [[tool]]. Used in the hand of a person [[dominated]] by [[evil]], it can be a terrible tool. Concerning the issue of [[progress]], much depends upon what [[perspective]] you look at it from and what time frame you are using. From our [[point of view]], there has clearly been much [[progress]] on [[your planet]]. For example, if you were to look back [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_BC 2,000 years ago] to the time of the arrival of [[our Master]] upon [[this planet]], and you looked at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_empire civilization of the Romans], I believe it would be [[accurate]] that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_empire#Culture approximately 50 per cent of the people] were [[slaves]]. So in 2,000 years, there has been much [[progress]]. Many [[practices]] that existed in those times are no longer practiced. There has been [[progress]] in many areas. Too say that it has been too fast or too slow might be an indication of lack of [[patience]]. Would you [[agree]]? Then would it not be [[fair]] to say that things have [[progressed]] according to [[God]]'s [[plan]] in the way that they should?

Q: Yes.

Q: Yes.

Q: How long does a thought pattern linger in the atmosphere?

Q: How long does a [[thought]] [[pattern]] linger in the [[atmosphere]]?

A: Why would that matter? (laughter)

A: Why would that matter? ([[laughter]])

Q: Curiosity. I presume that thought patterns in our atmosphere are the result of (?) on this planet.

Q: Curiosity. I presume that [[thought]] patterns in our [[atmosphere]] are the result of (?) on [[this planet]].

A: Do you recall as we discussed effective and sincere prayer, if such a sincere and effective prayer is uttered, do you recall that I suggested that in effect it was registered?

A: Do you recall as we [[discussed]] [[Effective Prayer|effective]] and [[sincere]] [[prayer]], if such a sincere and effective prayer is uttered, do you recall that I suggested that in effect it was registered?

Q: Yes.

Q: Yes.

A: Then I would suggest that those thoughts that are of greatest value have a longer and more permanent effect, while those thoughts that are of little value would tend to fade away.

A: Then I would suggest that those [[thoughts]] that are of greatest [[value]] have a longer and more permanent [[effect]], while those [[thoughts]] that are of little value would tend to fade away.

 

A: I am not that familiar, but I would encourage him to ask his question.

Q: Welmek, I formed "Matthew ask a question." Do you know anything about [http://www.doorinternational.com/ deaf opportunity?

Q: In deaf opportunity there are many issues. One big issue is communication method. There are many fights about deaf people communicating in sign language or the oral method. I would like your thoughts on that issue, if you know anything about that.

A: I am not that familiar, but I would [[encourage]] him to ask his question.

A: Our primary mission is to help individuals in their spiritual progress. There are many social issues which must evolve. Individual humans must decide what is best for a culture at a particular time. I would encourage anyone who has thought deeply about such an issue and who truly believes that they have felt guidance about this issue to strongly and heroically present their ideas to try to bring about change. However, it is not our place to say which method is best. It is up to humans to resolve this question for themselves.

Q: In deaf opportunity there are many issues. One big issue is [[communication]] [[method]]. There are many fights about deaf people communicating in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_language sign language] or the oral method. I would like your thoughts on that issue, if you know anything about that.

Q: How will institutionalized religions be impacted by this teaching in this next phase?

Q: How will [[institutionalized]] [[religions]] be impacted by [[Teaching Mission|this teaching]] in this next [[phase]]?

A: Much depends upon the time frame which you look at it from. If you were to invite the average minister to this group, what do you think they would say?

A: Much depends upon the [[time]] frame which you look at it from. If you were to invite the [[average]] minister to this group, what do you think they would say?

Q: They would want mass exorcism.

Q: They would want mass [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism exorcism].

A: I would suggest that any teaching which promotes individual religion, and by individual religion I mean the idea that individual is indwelt by a fragment of the Universal Father and therefore has immediate access to the love and guidance of the Father, would likely be seen as a threat at this time to most organized religions. It would not have to be this way if their goal was to truly help you as an individual find God within you, but is that really the goal of most of them? Or is their goal to interpret what God wants for you and what God is truly saying, and want you to come to them for that interpretation? In time, as more and more people awaken to God's presence within them, it will have an evolutionary impact. Sooner or later, more and more individuals who have a sympathetic regard for organized religions, will demand change. As the text states, the religious institutions are the slowest to change. They believe that they are protecting God's word, and so they are very resistant to change. On the other hand, like any institution, if they do not change and do not keep pace with the spiritual evolution on this planet, they will eventually find themselves only talking to themselves; and their number will become very small. But I would not suggest that this will happen in a short time. It will still take several generations to see dramatic impacts, dramatic effects in this way. It could happen sooner, but it is really up to each of you and to the humans on this planet. If you Page 8 could imagine that once each week, even 50% of the humans on this planet were attending such a meeting as this where they are interested in finding more about God's love and pursuing His presence and willing to forgive their brothers and sisters and trying to learn to love each other more, this would do more to change things more quickly on your planet than anything you could possibly imagine. But I would suggest we are a long, long way from 50% of the population participating in such a process.

A: I would suggest that any [[teaching]] which promotes [[individual]] [[religion]], and by individual religion I mean the [[idea]] that individual is indwelt by a [[Thought Adjuster|fragment of the Universal Father]] and therefore has [[immediate]] [[access]] to the [[love]] and [[guidance]] of [[the Father]], would likely be seen as a threat at this [[time]] to most [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/religion organized religions]. It would not have to be this way if their [[goal]] was to truly help you as an [[individual]] find [[God within]] you, but is that really the [[goal]] of most of them? Or is their [[goal]] to [[interpret]] what God wants for you and what God is truly saying, and want you to come to them for that [[interpretation]]? In time, as more and more people awaken to God's presence within them, it will have an evolutionary impact. Sooner or later, more and more individuals who have a sympathetic regard for organized religions, will demand change. As the text states, the religious institutions are the slowest to change. They believe that they are protecting God's word, and so they are very resistant to change. On the other hand, like any institution, if they do not change and do not keep pace with the spiritual evolution on this planet, they will eventually find themselves only talking to themselves; and their number will become very small. But I would not suggest that this will happen in a short time. It will still take several generations to see dramatic impacts, dramatic effects in this way. It could happen sooner, but it is really up to each of you and to the humans on this planet. If you Page 8 could imagine that once each week, even 50% of the humans on this planet were attending such a meeting as this where they are interested in finding more about God's love and pursuing His presence and willing to forgive their brothers and sisters and trying to learn to love each other more, this would do more to change things more quickly on your planet than anything you could possibly imagine. But I would suggest we are a long, long way from 50% of the population participating in such a process.

Q: Welmek, in the Rayson papers, my understanding was that if someone is truly iniquitous that the Thought Adjuster leaves them and they become truly dead even though the physical body lingers on. Do I understand that it then is possible to truly choose non-survival while in the human body?

Q: Welmek, in the Rayson papers, my understanding was that if someone is truly iniquitous that the Thought Adjuster leaves them and they become truly dead even though the physical body lingers on. Do I understand that it then is possible to truly choose non-survival while in the human body?