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===Lesson===
===Lesson===
===='''''[[Love]]'''''====
===='''''[[Love]]'''''====
Tonight let us begin with a [[discussion]] of [[fatherly]] and [[brotherly]] love. We [[touched]] upon this [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-11-27-Prayer#Love last week], and many [[good]] [[ideas]] were put forth. Your [[assignment]] was to [[think]] about these, to [[read]] over the [[transcripts]] and to [[read]] [[the text]] to find [[references]] to this [[concept]]. Who would like to begin and [[share]] an [[understanding]] or a question?
Tonight let us begin with a [[discussion]] of [[fatherly]] and [[brotherly]] love. We [[touched]] upon this [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-11-27-Prayer#Love last week], and many [[good]] [[ideas]] were put forth. Your [[assignment]] was to [[think]] about these, to [[read]] over the [[transcripts]] and to [[read]] [[the text]] to find [[references]] to this [[concept]]. Who would like to begin and [[share]] an [[understanding]] or a question?
Q: Welmek, I was looking through [[the book]] for [[references]] for [[fatherly]] and [[brotherly]] [[love]] and I saw a [[140:5 Fatherly and Brotherly Love|portion of a paper on fatherly and brotherly love]]. It was the [[40:5|section]] of the book where [[Jesus]] was about to give [[the twelve]] their [[ordination]], and he talked about it. Basically, I got the [[impression]] that the enactment of [[fatherly]] [[love]] is sort of like based on [[the beatitudes]] that you can find in the [[New Testament]] of the [[Bible]], only it was broken down into [[two]] parts.
Q: Welmek, I was looking through [[the book]] for [[references]] for [[fatherly]] and [[brotherly]] [[love]] and I saw a [[140:5 Fatherly and Brotherly Love|portion of a paper on fatherly and brotherly love]]. It was the [[40:5|section]] of the book where [[Jesus]] was about to give [[the twelve]] their [[ordination]], and he talked about it. Basically, I got the [[impression]] that the enactment of [[fatherly]] [[love]] is sort of like based on [[the beatitudes]] that you can find in the [[New Testament]] of the [[Bible]], only it was broken down into [[two]] parts.
A: Do you wish to [[read]] the passage so that all might [[understand]] your [[question]]?
A: Do you wish to [[read]] the passage so that all might [[understand]] your [[question]]?
Q: Okay. "140:5.4 [[The Master]] introduced this momentous [[discourse]] by calling [[attention]] to four [[faith]] [[attitudes]] as the prelude to the subsequent portrayal of his four [[transcendent]] and [[supreme]] [[reactions]] of [[fatherly]] [[love]] in [[contrast]] to the [[limitations]] of mere [[brother]]ly love.
Q: Okay. [[The Master]] introduced this momentous [[discourse]] by calling [[attention]] to four [[faith]] [[attitudes]] as the prelude to the subsequent portrayal of his four [[transcendent]] and [[supreme]] [[reactions]] of [[fatherly]] [[love]] in [[contrast]] to the [[limitations]] of mere [[brother]]ly love.
He first talked about those who were [[poor]] in [[spirit]], hungered after [[righteousness]], [[endured]] [[meekness]], and who were [[pure]] in [[heart]]. Such spirit-[[discerning]] [[mortals]] could be expected to [[attain]] such levels of [[divine]] selflessness as to be able to attempt the amazing [[exercise]] of [[fatherly]] [[affection]]; that even as [[mourn]]ers they would be empowered to show [[mercy]], promote [[peace]], and endure [[persecutions]], and throughout all of these trying situations to [[love]] even unlovely [[mankind]] with a [[fatherly]] [[love]]. A father's [[affection]] can [[attain]] levels of [[devotion]] that immeasurably [[transcend]] a [[brother]]'s affection.
The [[faith]] and the [[love]] of these beatitudes strengthen [[moral]] [[character]] and create [[happiness]]. [[Fear]] and [[anger]] weaken [[character]] and destroy [[happiness]]. This momentous [[sermon]] started out upon the note of [[happiness]]."
And then it went on from there. So I guess these are almost like "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius Confucius] say" and these are [[codes]] of living? Is that what [[the beatitudes]] are as far as getting to the [[point]] where you want to [[attain]] [[fatherly]] [[love]] in your life?
And then it went on from there. So I guess these are almost like "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius Confucius] say" and these are [[codes]] of living? Is that what [[the beatitudes]] are as far as getting to the [[point]] where you want to [[attain]] [[fatherly]] [[love]] in your life?
A: Yes, I would say that is what is being [[expressed]] in [[your text]]. The pursuit of [[righteousness]] and the other beatitudes that are mentioned here primarily deepen your [[God-consciousness]]; and as you deepen your God-consciousness and become more [[aware]] of [[the Father]] as a [[personal]] [[being]], it will increase your [[fatherly]] [[attitude]]. So, to the extent that the pursuit of [[the beatitudes|these beatitudes]] deepen your [[God-consciousness]], it will [[manifest]] in an increased sense of [[fatherly]] [[love]].
A: Yes, I would say that is what is being [[expressed]] in [[your text]]. The pursuit of [[righteousness]] and the other beatitudes that are mentioned here primarily deepen your [[God-consciousness]]; and as you deepen your God-consciousness and become more [[aware]] of [[the Father]] as a [[personal]] [[being]], it will increase your [[fatherly]] [[attitude]]. So, to the extent that the pursuit of [[the beatitudes|these beatitudes]] deepen your [[God-consciousness]], it will [[manifest]] in an increased sense of [[fatherly]] [[love]].
Q: There were some [[qualities]] that you listed near the beginning.
Q: There were some [[qualities]] that you listed near the beginning.
Q: It says "140:5.3 [[Jesus]] did not [[expect]] his followers to [[achieve]] an impossible [[manifestation]] of brotherly [[love]], but he did [[expect]] them to so strive to be like [[God]]—to be [[perfect]] even as [[the Father]] in [[heaven]] is [[perfect]]—that they could begin to look upon man as [[God]] looks upon his [[creatures]] and therefore could begin to [[love]] men as God loves them—to show forth the beginnings of a [[fatherly]] [[affection]]. In the [[course]] of these exhortations to the [[twelve apostles]], Jesus sought to [[reveal]] this new [[concept]] of [[fatherly]] [[love]] as it is related to certain [[emotional]] [[attitudes]] concerned in making numerous [[environmental]] [[social]] [[adjustments]].
Q: It says "[[Jesus]] did not [[expect]] his followers to [[achieve]] an impossible [[manifestation]] of brotherly [[love]], but he did [[expect]] them to so strive to be like [[God]]—to be [[perfect]] even as [[the Father]] in [[heaven]] is [[perfect]]—that they could begin to look upon man as [[God]] looks upon his [[creatures]] and therefore could begin to [[love]] men as God loves them—to show forth the beginnings of a [[fatherly]] [[affection]]. In the [[course]] of these exhortations to the [[twelve apostles]], Jesus sought to [[reveal]] this new [[concept]] of [[fatherly]] [[love]] as it is related to certain [[emotional]] [[attitudes]] concerned in making numerous [[environmental]] [[social]] [[adjustments]].
[[The Master]] introduced this momentous [[discourse]] by calling [[attention]] to four [[faith]] [[attitudes]] as the prelude to the subsequent portrayal of his four [[transcendent]] and [[supreme]] [[reactions]] of [[fatherly]] [[love]] in [[contrast]] to the [[limitations]] of mere [[brother]]ly love.
He first talked about those who were [[poor]] in [[spirit]], hungered after [[righteousness]], [[endured]] [[meekness]], and who were [[pure]] in [[heart]]. Such spirit-[[discerning]] [[mortals]] could be expected to [[attain]] such levels of [[divine]] selflessness as to be able to attempt the amazing [[exercise]] of [[fatherly]] [[affection]]; that even as [[mourn]]ers they would be empowered to show [[mercy]], promote [[peace]], and endure [[persecutions]], and throughout all of these trying situations to [[love]] even unlovely [[mankind]] with a [[fatherly]] [[love]]. A father's [[affection]] can [[attain]] levels of [[devotion]] that immeasurably [[transcend]] a [[brother]]'s affection.
The [[faith]] and the [[love]] of these beatitudes strengthen [[moral]] [[character]] and create [[happiness]]. [[Fear]] and [[anger]] weaken [[character]] and destroy [[happiness]]. This momentous [[sermon]] started out upon the note of [[happiness]]."
Q: Okay, it was those four that started with [[poor]] in [[spirit]]. I don't [[understand]] what poor in spirit means, I guess, that it should be a desirable [[attribute]].
Q: Okay, it was those four that started with [[poor]] in [[spirit]]. I don't [[understand]] what poor in spirit means, I guess, that it should be a desirable [[attribute]].
A: Have we said anything about [[wrath]]?
A: Have we said anything about [[wrath]]?
Q: No, but I'm just trying to [[interpret]] it into what people are inclined to [[think]], that if you do something wrong, for instance, that you're going to get [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer cancer] and die or that your son could die or things like that. I don't [[believe]] that [[the Father]] works in that way. I would [[believe]] that we might not get what we [[pray]] for because it's not best for us. Would that be loving [[discipline]]?
Q: No, but I'm just trying to [[interpret]] it into what people are inclined to [[think]], that if you do something wrong, for instance, that you're going to get [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer cancer] and die or that your son could die or things like that. I don't [[believe]] that [[the Father]] works in that way. I would [[believe]] that we might not get what we [[pray]] for because it's not best for us. Would that be loving [[discipline]]?
A: Exactly.
A: Exactly.
Q: Or a trip to [[Salvington]].
Q: Or a trip to [[Salvington]].
Q: A trip to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii Hawaii].
Q: A trip to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii Hawaii].
Q: How about [[Jesus]] himself coming and talking with us?
Q: How about [[Jesus]] himself coming and talking with us?
Q: No, I can't see the [[future]], but there have been some situations in my life where I've had this mindal [[impression]] of something, and then months later the reality came about.
Q: No, I can't see the [[future]], but there have been some situations in my life where I've had this mindal [[impression]] of something, and then months later the reality came about.
Q: Like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deja_vu deja vu].
Q: Like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deja_vu deja vu].
Q: Yes, like deja vu. I don't [[understand]] that [[phenomenon]] at all.
Q: Yes, like deja vu. I don't [[understand]] that [[phenomenon]] at all.
A: I cannot comment with any specificity. I will only suggest to you that the [[Adjuster]] works within your [[mind]], and sometimes there may be some help in [[preparing]] for situations that it is likely you will encounter. I cannot say more than that.
A: I cannot comment with any specificity. I will only suggest to you that the [[Adjuster]] works within your [[mind]], and sometimes there may be some help in [[preparing]] for situations that it is likely you will encounter. I cannot say more than that.
===Closing===
===Closing===
WELMEK: And so it seems time to bring this [[meeting]] to a close. I would like you to again [[think]] about this [[assignment]] of trying to see your [[brothers and sisters]] with an [[attitude]] of [[fatherly]] [[love]]. And next week, we will [[discuss]] some of your [[experiences]] attempting to do this.
WELMEK: And so it seems time to bring this [[meeting]] to a close. I would like you to again [[think]] about this [[assignment]] of trying to see your [[brothers and sisters]] with an [[attitude]] of [[fatherly]] [[love]]. And next week, we will [[discuss]] some of your [[experiences]] attempting to do this.
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