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Q: (words lost)...[[steadfastness]].

Q: (words lost)...[[steadfastness]].

M: Well, you know, when I was coming up, before I joined the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism Mormon church], I was pretty wild. I had a teacher, his name was John. He took me aside and he taught me that [[integrity]] was something that was to be valued. He valued it higher than anything else you could put in front of yourself. So what he did was he gave me several things that he himself had done. It was a [[challenge]]; I did not know it at the time. He told me that no matter what was done to me, I could not tell what he had told me.

M: Well, you know, when I was coming up, before I joined the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism Mormon church], I was pretty wild. I had a teacher, his name was John. He took me aside and he taught me that [[integrity]] was something that was to be valued. He valued it higher than anything else you could put in front of yourself. So what he did was he gave me several things that he himself had done. It was a [[challenge]]; I did not know it at the time. He told me that no matter what was done to me, I could not tell what he had told me.

And so he set it up so that I had to go through my home [[teacher]] and be challenged on what John had told me. That didn't do any [[good]] because I wouldn't tell him what I knew. And then they put me up to the bishop and his two counselors, and I still wouldn't tell them, not knowing that I was being set up the whole time. From there I went to the state president and their two counselors, from there to a higher one; and then they brought in somebody from Salt Lake. Well, I finally got tired of it and blew up at all of them.

And so he set it up so that I had to go through my home [[teacher]] and be challenged on what John had told me. That didn't do any [[good]] because I wouldn't tell him what I knew. And then they put me up to the bishop and his two counselors, and I still wouldn't tell them, not knowing that I was being set up the whole time. From there I went to the state president and their two counselors, from there to a higher one; and then they brought in somebody from Salt Lake. Well, I finally got tired of it and blew up at all of them.

I put the word "integra" in here because that is where the word "integrity" came from; and I asked Peter, who is my [[philosopher]] of my [[family]], to tell where it came from and how we got the word "integrity".

I put the word "integra" in here because that is where the word "integrity" came from; and I asked Peter, who is my [[philosopher]] of my [[family]], to tell where it came from and how we got the word "integrity".

P: "''Integra''" is the old [[Latin]] word which means [[number]] or whole, [[one]]. And that comes from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras Pythagoras] and the Pythagoreans. Pythagoras was a Greek philosopher from 525 to 500 B.C. and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato Plato] studied under him. What you have is "whole" equals "[[one]]". A number is the number that you're using regardless of what that number happens to be. That number could be a l, it could be a 3, it could be a 4, but it's a number. One is that specific number or it's that specific item, and that item might be plural. Whole is the entire number that you're dealing with. This is an entire group of people, and that's the number we're dealing with here. Or it's the item, the group we have here. Those are the three ways that they looked at that word, integra.

P: "''Integra''" is the old [[Latin]] word which means [[number]] or whole, [[one]]. And that comes from [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras Pythagoras] and the Pythagoreans. Pythagoras was a Greek philosopher from 525 to 500 B.C. and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato Plato] studied under him. What you have is "whole" equals "[[one]]". A number is the number that you're using regardless of what that number happens to be. That number could be a l, it could be a 3, it could be a 4, but it's a number. One is that specific number or it's that specific item, and that item might be plural. Whole is the entire number that you're dealing with. This is an entire group of people, and that's the number we're dealing with here. Or it's the item, the group we have here. Those are the three ways that they looked at that word, integra.

The reason that the [[number]] is important, is that the (?) school of philosophers just before the Pythagoreans believed in [[matter]], but they had no way of distinguishing matter. Everything was one gray form, gray mass; but there was no means for distinguishing between a particular item. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoreanism Pythagoreans] came along and decided that you have to have a way of [[limiting]]; you have to have form. The only way you can create any limit is to give it a [[number]]. So that you give each thing a number; and the only way to really achieve any [[harmony]], any whole, is to give proper limits. And those proper limits are [[expressed]] in numbers again. So it came back to numbers. And [[musically]], the only way to gain harmony was to come up with numbers. [[Music]] and [[medicine]] are the two arts that they used.

The reason that the [[number]] is important, is that the (?) school of philosophers just before the Pythagoreans believed in [[matter]], but they had no way of distinguishing matter. Everything was one gray form, gray mass; but there was no means for distinguishing between a particular item. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoreanism Pythagoreans] came along and decided that you have to have a way of [[limiting]]; you have to have form. The only way you can create any limit is to give it a [[number]]. So that you give each thing a number; and the only way to really achieve any [[harmony]], any whole, is to give proper limits. And those proper limits are [[expressed]] in numbers again. So it came back to numbers. And [[musically]], the only way to gain harmony was to come up with numbers. [[Music]] and [[medicine]] are the two arts that they used.

M: Pythagoras said that [[integrity]] meant wholeness, and so therefore they considered that as a...they include that not only with [[God]], with themselves, with their [[family]], with the [[music]], with whatever else you want to say, the word "whole" came from [[integrity]], and that's how we got it.

M: Pythagoras said that [[integrity]] meant wholeness, and so therefore they considered that as a...they include that not only with [[God]], with themselves, with their [[family]], with the [[music]], with whatever else you want to say, the word "whole" came from [[integrity]], and that's how we got it.

But the reason that it came up here origin (?) code, was that back [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England#History England] in I think the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_century 1500]s when people started beginning to read, and they came up with the [[fact]] that they had to have some [[word]] in there to [[control]] the people. And so they used the word "integrity" as the word "whole" so that they could make it as a code which to them meant a rigid code in the army, etc. so that the people could be [[controlled]]. That's how the word "integrity" came around, as we know it as being..adhered to a [[code]].

But the reason that it came up here origin (?) code, was that back [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England#History England] in I think the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_century 1500]s when people started beginning to read, and they came up with the [[fact]] that they had to have some [[word]] in there to [[control]] the people. And so they used the word "integrity" as the word "whole" so that they could make it as a code which to them meant a rigid code in the army, etc. so that the people could be [[controlled]]. That's how the word "integrity" came around, as we know it as being..adhered to a [[code]].

What I would like to do is...I asked Welmek yesterday in a [[private]] session what he thought [[integrity]] was. And he gave some sort of thing on it last week, but I couldn't find it. He said "To me, integrity represents the trueness of a person. It [[encompasses]] [[honesty]], [[sincerity]], but there is also [[strength]], [[steadfastness]], I suppose. Like most of the terms on the list, it relates to or encompasses a number of those. I chose it to represent several others that I admire, and it seemed to include more of them than one of them would have included. Do you [[understand]]?"

What I would like to do is...I asked Welmek yesterday in a [[private]] session what he thought [[integrity]] was. And he gave some sort of thing on it last week, but I couldn't find it. He said "To me, integrity represents the trueness of a person. It [[encompasses]] [[honesty]], [[sincerity]], but there is also [[strength]], [[steadfastness]], I suppose. Like most of the terms on the list, it relates to or encompasses a number of those. I chose it to represent several others that I admire, and it seemed to include more of them than one of them would have included. Do you [[understand]]?"

B: I don't think it's possible to get too much in this life...but yes, I would [[assume]] that [[eventually]] there would be some, that we will grow in integrity as our [[knowledge]] grows and our [[experience]] grows and we grow closer to [[the Father]].

B: I don't think it's possible to get too much in this life...but yes, I would [[assume]] that [[eventually]] there would be some, that we will grow in integrity as our [[knowledge]] grows and our [[experience]] grows and we grow closer to [[the Father]].

D: It occurred to me that maybe integrity is a synonym that would have been in earlier times better used, more commonly used for [[righteousness]] and that's what Bob has (?). You just don't hear that in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_century 20th century], very often, but it's probably very close.

D: It occurred to me that maybe integrity is a synonym that would have been in earlier times better used, more commonly used for [[righteousness]] and that's what Bob has (?). You just don't hear that in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_century 20th century], very often, but it's probably very close.

M: Larry, you have personal integrity.

M: Larry, you have personal integrity.

L: Going along with what everyone else has spoken about, I found a couple of things that came to add a little more along the lines of [[personal]] [[integrity]] besides just [[honesty]]. The word "[[honor]]" seems to add an implication of a higher-mindedness or sense of [[allegiance]] to one's own [[standards]]. These are not my words. It's something I found that gave it an added [[dimension]] to simple [[honesty]]. I think to paraphrase [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare Shakespeare]..it's a quote from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet Hamlet]: "To thine own self be true, and it must follow as the night the day thou can not be false to any man." I [[think]] that that kind of sums it up for me.

L: Going along with what everyone else has spoken about, I found a couple of things that came to add a little more along the lines of [[personal]] [[integrity]] besides just [[honesty]]. The word "[[honor]]" seems to add an implication of a higher-mindedness or sense of [[allegiance]] to one's own [[standards]]. These are not my words. It's something I found that gave it an added [[dimension]] to simple [[honesty]]. I think to paraphrase [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare Shakespeare]..it's a quote from [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet Hamlet]: "To thine own self be true, and it must follow as the night the day thou can not be false to any man." I [[think]] that that kind of sums it up for me.

Integrity [[encompasses]] a little more than just [[honesty]] or honor or all these other things. It kind of includes a lot of [[qualities]] together in that sense to me.

Integrity [[encompasses]] a little more than just [[honesty]] or honor or all these other things. It kind of includes a lot of [[qualities]] together in that sense to me.

You asked me whether I wanted this taped or not. I talked to a [[friend]] in another group to get some [[information]], and they said that there is no one in their group that would take on an [[assignment]] like this. They just wouldn't do it; they're [[terrified]] of it. So I'm hoping that this goes out; and people who are terrified of taking on an [[assignment]] because, believe me, if somebody hadn't been pushing me from behind, I wouldn't have taken it. This [[voice]] kept saying "Take it, take it" I finally said "All right, I'll take it."

You asked me whether I wanted this taped or not. I talked to a [[friend]] in another group to get some [[information]], and they said that there is no one in their group that would take on an [[assignment]] like this. They just wouldn't do it; they're [[terrified]] of it. So I'm hoping that this goes out; and people who are terrified of taking on an [[assignment]] because, believe me, if somebody hadn't been pushing me from behind, I wouldn't have taken it. This [[voice]] kept saying "Take it, take it" I finally said "All right, I'll take it."

I have [[learned]] more from this than I [[think]] I have learned in the 17 or 18 years I've been in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_church Mormon church]. I have learned more from you people than I have in years and years and years. I was telling Linda this the other day, I feel more loved, more [[accepted]], more of about anything I can think of from this group than I have anyplace else that I have ever been. And I have been in many, many [[churches]]. Yes, I can be obnoxious; and yes, as Mark told me the other day, "Don't ask Marva unless you want to know exactly how she feels." (laughter) and Michael tells me that I need to have more [[tact]]. Well, I'm working on that too, Michael.

I have [[learned]] more from this than I [[think]] I have learned in the 17 or 18 years I've been in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_church Mormon church]. I have learned more from you people than I have in years and years and years. I was telling Linda this the other day, I feel more loved, more [[accepted]], more of about anything I can think of from this group than I have anyplace else that I have ever been. And I have been in many, many [[churches]]. Yes, I can be obnoxious; and yes, as Mark told me the other day, "Don't ask Marva unless you want to know exactly how she feels." (laughter) and Michael tells me that I need to have more [[tact]]. Well, I'm working on that too, Michael.

You know, I feel more [[accepted]] here; and taking this [[assignment]] really taught me a lot. It taught me that when I needed help, because when I called the five people I was so sick that I could hardly keep my head up and I didn't think I was going to be here, but I knew that if I called those people that I did....I sat back and I looked at the list and I said "I need help. Who can I call on?" The first person I called was Bob, and he said "No big deal, I'll take it." The second person I called was Stan. He said "Great, go for it." The third person I called was Steve, and he didn't want to do it and that was okay. Then I called Mark and he said "I don't want to do this."

You know, I feel more [[accepted]] here; and taking this [[assignment]] really taught me a lot. It taught me that when I needed help, because when I called the five people I was so sick that I could hardly keep my head up and I didn't think I was going to be here, but I knew that if I called those people that I did....I sat back and I looked at the list and I said "I need help. Who can I call on?" The first person I called was Bob, and he said "No big deal, I'll take it." The second person I called was Stan. He said "Great, go for it." The third person I called was Steve, and he didn't want to do it and that was okay. Then I called Mark and he said "I don't want to do this."

D: I'll start, as far as the [[critique]].

D: I'll start, as far as the [[critique]].

M: Hold on because I have some questions that Welmek gave me for that, just in case. He said..Peter you can [[read]] these, this is your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handwriting handwriting].

M: Hold on because I have some questions that Welmek gave me for that, just in case. He said..Peter you can [[read]] these, this is your [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handwriting handwriting].

P: Do they feel that they [[understand]] this term? is the first [[question]].

P: Do they feel that they [[understand]] this term? is the first [[question]].