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HUMAN: May I say something? I really think faith is our acknowledgment of our relationship with God, and through God with every other being. Not only human beings but angelic, Melchizedeks and all other. I really think that when we acknowledge that we have faith, this is what [[Jesus]] was talking about when he told somebody he was healing that "Your faith has cured you". I think he meant that their relationship with God helped him be cured, not only physically but spiritually and psychologically.
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HUMAN: May I say something? I really think [[faith]] is our acknowledgment of our [[relationship]] with [[God]], and through [[God]] with every other [[being]]. Not only human beings but [[angelic]], [[Melchizedeks]] and all other. I really think that when we acknowledge that we have [[faith]], this is what [[Jesus]] was talking about when he told somebody he was [[healing]] that "Your faith has cured you". I think he meant that their [[relationship]] with [[God]] helped him be cured, not only [[physically]] but [[spiritually]] and [[psychologically]].
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TARKAS: It is true that if one is to be healed, your faith is most critical. Even if the Father says this petition may be answered, even if spiritual beings are there to assist, and even if a light carrier is there to assist. An individual can only be healed to the extent of their faith. If they do not truly believe that they can be healed, then they will not be fully healed. It is true that faith plays a role in relationships. I thank you for your willingness to share. Would you be willing to assist me in making sure all have an opportunity to speak if they wish?
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TARKAS: It is true that if one is to be [[healed]], your [[faith]] is most critical. Even if [[the Father]] says this [[petition]] may be answered, even if spiritual [[beings]] are there to [[assist]], and even if a light carrier is there to [[assist]]. An [[individual]] can only be healed to the extent of their [[faith]]. If they do not truly [[believe]] that they can be healed, then they will not be fully healed. It is true that [[faith]] plays a role in [[relationships]]. I thank you for your willingness to [[share]]. Would you be willing to assist me in making sure all have an [[opportunity]] to speak if they wish?
    
HUMAN: Oh, yes.
 
HUMAN: Oh, yes.
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TARKAS: Then I ask you to be the one to acknowledge individual members as they choose to speak.
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TARKAS: Then I ask you to be the one to acknowledge [[individual]] members as they [[choose]] to [[speak]].
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HUMAN: Faith to me is . .. you plant the seeds, you put it in the soil . .... five or six months later I harvest peas. You plant the seeds and really have faith that this will come about. That is faith to me.
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HUMAN: [[Faith]] to me is . .. you plant the [[seeds]], you put it in the [[soil]] . .... five or six months later I [[harvest]] peas. You plant the seeds and really have [[faith]] that this will come about. That is [[faith]] to me.
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TARKAS: There are several components to what you've said that I wish to make a comment upon. Faith is certainly a living [[experience]]. This is a point I wish to emphasize. This is also something that grows with your will and with your own efforts through the tools we have shared. Thank you for your comments.
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TARKAS: There are several components to what you've said that I wish to make a comment upon. [[Faith]] is certainly a living [[experience]]. This is a point I wish to emphasize. This is also something that [[grows]] with your will and with your own [[efforts]] through the [[tools]] we have shared. Thank you for your comments.
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HUMAN: This is something that is very simple, and I think the truth is very simple. This is what I share with the children at Sunday School when we talk about faith because it not only is very easy to understand for the adults but also for children. If you take the letters F A I T H, F is for Father, A for and, I for I, T for Together, H is for here and now. The Father and I are together here, there is no separation and it also speaks of oneness. God and I being here right now together.
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HUMAN: This is something that is very [[simple]], and I think the [[truth]] is very simple. This is what I share with the children at Sunday School when we talk about [[faith]] because it not only is very easy to [[understand]] for the adults but also for [[children]]. If you take the letters F A I T H, F is for Father, A for and, I for I, T for Together, H is for here and now. The Father and I are together here, there is no separation and it also speaks of [[oneness]]. God and I being here right now together.
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TARKAS: Thank you very much for sharing this. That is a very nice way to think about faith. It is true that each of you has a relationship with the Father right here and now. The degree to which you participate in that relationship on a conscious level and the degree to which you are consciously aware of this relationship will grow if you work with us. And if you work on your own with the tools we have shared.
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TARKAS: Thank you very much for [[sharing]] this. That is a very nice way to [[think]] about [[faith]]. It is true that each of you has a [[relationship]] with [[the Father]] right here and now. The [[degree]] to which you participate in that [[relationship]] on a [[conscious]] level and the [[degree]] to which you are consciously aware of this [[relationship]] will grow if you work with us. And if you work on your own with the [[tools]] we have [[shared]].
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I wish to emphasize this effort on your own. For even if you were to decide not to remain with me in this group, you have this capability to grow spiritually.
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I wish to emphasize this [[effort]] on your own. For even if you were to decide not to remain with me in this [[group]], you have this capability to [[Spiritual Growth|grow]] spiritually.
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HUMAN: To me, faith is in doing what you don't want to do, doing what you are afraid to do, doing what doesn't make sense to do, and sometimes without sight-blindness, and without knowing. It is about faithfully doing this thing anyway. Usually I have found for myself that the most difficult things for me to do faithfully have been the experiences that have caused me to grow the most. Even the most painful, I have grown from the most.
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HUMAN: To me, [[faith]] is in doing what you don't want to do, doing what you are [[afraid]] to do, doing what doesn't make sense to do, and sometimes without sight-blindness, and without [[knowing]]. It is about faithfully doing this thing anyway. Usually I have found for myself that the most [[difficult]] things for me to do faithfully have been the [[experiences]] that have caused me to [[grow]] the most. Even the most [[painful]], I have grown from the most.
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TARKAS: You have covered much territory in what you have shared. The piece that stands out to me, and I wish to ask if this [[sound]]s like what you were saying: that you believe what you cannot see, that this might be an aspect of faith that you are describing. Is this correct?
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TARKAS: You have covered much territory in what you have [[shared]]. The piece that stands out to me, and I wish to ask if this [[sound]]s like what you were saying: that you [[believe]] what you cannot see, that this might be an aspect of [[faith]] that you are [[describing]]. Is this correct?
    
HUMAN: Things that I cannot see?
 
HUMAN: Things that I cannot see?
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HUMAN: Right.
 
HUMAN: Right.
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TARKAS: There were many things you said that have [[truth]] in addition to this. The way in which I view those [[things]] is a little different. I see several things that you said as being attributes of [[character]], with faith being one of those attributes. You mentioned courage, you mentioned several other things that are, in my perspective, part of various character attributes. It will be fun to learn together those different attributes and learn to decipher the differences and commonalties between them and how they all work together. For they do, in fact, work together. Thank you for sharing. It is true that faith helps you get through those times, that command more from you than you are able to understand by seeing.
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TARKAS: There were many things you said that have [[truth]] in addition to this. The way in which I view those [[things]] is a little different. I see several things that you said as being attributes of [[character]], with [[faith]] being one of those attributes. You mentioned [[courage]], you mentioned several other things that are, in my [[perspective]], part of various character [[attributes]]. It will be fun to learn together those different attributes and learn to [[decipher]] the differences and commonalties between them and how they all work [[together]]. For they do, in [[fact]], work [[together]]. Thank you for [[sharing]]. It is true that faith helps you get through those times, that command more from you than you are able to [[understand]] by seeing.
    
I have another comment but I will wait to see if others comment on this other aspect that is in my [[mind]] now.
 
I have another comment but I will wait to see if others comment on this other aspect that is in my [[mind]] now.
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HUMAN: I think faith is our connectedness with God and everyone and knowing that no matter what happens to us here, it is by Divine plan. And even though I don't always like what is happening in my life, I know that I have learned and sometimes I need to experience in order to move on to other experiences. Without those unpleasant experiences, I won't be growing and I won't experience the next step in my life. I have the faith to know that whatever is happening is by Divine plan and I need to accept that, because something better is coming from my learning and from my growth.
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HUMAN: I think [[faith]] is our [[connectedness]] with [[God]] and everyone and knowing that no matter what happens to us here, it is by [[Divine]] plan. And even though I don't always like what is happening in my life, I know that I have [[learned]] and sometimes I need to [[experience]] in order to move on to other experiences. Without those unpleasant experiences, I won't be [[growing]] and I won't experience the next step in my life. I have the [[faith]] to know that whatever is happening is by [[Divine]] [[plan]] and I need to [[accept]] that, because something better is coming from my learning and from my [[growth]].
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TARKAS: Once again, there is much in what you say. It is true that the Father prepares a plan for each of you. The plan stretches far beyond this present life experience. This plan is reviewed by your [[Thought Adjuster]] prior to volunteering to work with you. This plan is larger in scope and usually [[focus]]ed. It is true that as you experience the challenges in your life, you have opportunities to grow spiritually, to draw upon these character attributes within you, and to develop them.
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TARKAS: Once again, there is much in what you say. It is true that [[the Father]] [[prepares]] a [[plan]] for each of you. The plan stretches far beyond this [[present]] life [[experience]]. This plan is reviewed by your [[Thought Adjuster]] prior to [[volunteering]] to work with you. This plan is larger in [[scope]] and usually [[focus]]ed. It is true that as you [[experience]] the [[challenges]] in your life, you have [[opportunities]] to grow spiritually, to draw upon these [[character]] [[attributes]] within you, and to [[develop]] them.
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But I wish for you to understand many hardships that you experience are not necessarily the will of the Father. There is much in your world that results from the [[fact]] that you are [[free will]] creatures. The Father respects this will of yours above all. He does not coerce or demand that you follow Him. He will reach to you and draw you near, and if you reach to Him, He will join you. Because of this factor there are decisions that individuals make that cause repercussions to others. These repercussions are not the Father's will being forced upon this individual. This is something that seems to be a broad [[belief]] in your world that all negative experiences are necessary and brought to you for a specific lesson.
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But I [[wish]] for you to [[understand]] many hardships that you [[experience]] are not necessarily the will of [[the Father]]. There is much in your world that results from the [[fact]] that you are [[free will]] creatures. [[The Father]] respects this will of yours above all. He does not [[coerce]] or demand that you follow Him. He will reach to you and draw you near, and if you reach to Him, He will join you. Because of this [[factor]] there are [[decisions]] that individuals make that cause [[repercussions]] to others. These repercussions are not [[the Father]]'s will being forced upon this [[individual]]. This is something that seems to be a broad [[belief]] in your world that all [[negative]] experiences are [[necessary]] and brought to you for a specific lesson.
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There is always something to be learned in those experiences. There is always the opportunity to grow and develop yourself spiritually. Do not believe that each event is totally the Father's will in that direct fashion. One, on the other hand, might say that if you have a life of ease that you have grown and may be more spiritually developed. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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There is always something to be learned in those [[experiences]]. There is always the [[opportunity]] to [[grow]] and develop yourself spiritually. Do not [[believe]] that each [[event]] is totally the Father's will in that direct fashion. One, on the other hand, might say that if you have a life of ease that you have [[grown]] and may be more spiritually developed. Nothing could be further from the [[truth]].
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Your [[angel]]s are here to guide and direct you. They are able to lead you in directions that bring you in contact with an opportunity to grow in any direction that allows you to develop what you need to develop at the time. If you find yourself complacent too long, we might say that your angels were a bit lazy. So it is not quite as clear-cut as you described but I believe you understand the essence of the truth that is involved in being able to approach these challenges with courage.
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Your [[angel]]s are here to guide and direct you. They are able to [[lead]] you in [[directions]] that bring you in [[contact]] with an [[opportunity]] to grow in any [[direction]] that allows you to develop what you need to develop at the time. If you find yourself complacent too long, we might say that your [[angels]] were a bit [[lazy]]. So it is not quite as clear-cut as you [[described]] but I believe you [[understand]] the [[essence]] of the truth that is involved in being able to approach these [[challenges]] with [[courage]].
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HUMAN: Tarkas, I believe it's possible to grow in faith using your [[logic]]al thinking. If a Supreme Being exists, I really have to look at creation to confirm that if I'm encouraged to think otherwise. It seems we are here to choose between the path of [[good]] and [[evil]], always faced with that decision. As we look at good and the things it represents, truth and beauty and love, and the things that evil represents, the choice seems quite clear. Should there be a God, then God would be that kind of compassionate, loving Creator. I have the utmost faith because of a lot of these deductions. Does that seem appropriate, to think about it in that way?
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HUMAN: Tarkas, I believe it's possible to grow in [[faith]] using your [[logic]]al thinking. If a [[Supreme Being]] exists, I really have to look at [[creation]] to confirm that if I'm [[encouraged]] to think otherwise. It seems we are here to choose between the path of [[good]] and [[evil]], always faced with that [[decision]]. As we look at good and the things it represents, [[truth]] and [[beauty]] and [[love]], and the things that evil represents, the choice seems quite [[clear]]. Should there be a [[God]], then God would be that kind of [[compassionate]], loving Creator. I have the utmost [[faith]] because of a lot of these [[deductions]]. Does that seem appropriate, to [[think]] about it in that way?
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TARKAS: Are you saying that because you recognize some larger [[force]] has to be at work in the [[evolution]] of your planet, that this allows you to accept [[intellectual]]ly that there is a God, that the Father exists?
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TARKAS: Are you saying that because you [[recognize]] some larger [[force]] has to be at work in the [[evolution]] of [[your planet]], that this allows you to accept [[intellectual]]ly that there is a [[God]], that [[the Father]] exists?
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HUMAN: Yes, and it also seems logical to believe the Father would be filled with love and compassion for all His creation.
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HUMAN: Yes, and it also seems [[logical]] to [[believe]] [[the Father]] would be filled with love and [[compassion]] for all His creation.
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TARKAS: Where do you draw that conclusion from? Your own [[concept]] of goodness.
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TARKAS: Where do you draw that [[conclusion]] from? Your own [[concept]] of [[goodness]].
    
HUMAN: Yes, I suppose so.
 
HUMAN: Yes, I suppose so.
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TARKAS: I appreciate that you share this. This is more than an intellectual process but your intellect can definitely play a role in your own experience with faith. It is appropriate to fit these pieces together and strengthen your faith in this way. I would like to ask you. Have you faced a very difficult experience, one that put you in a place of some degree of hopelessness? That you felt you had exhausted your intellectual capabilities?
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TARKAS: I [[appreciate]] that you [[share]] this. This is more than an [[intellectual]] [[process]] but your intellect can definitely play a role in your own [[experience]] with [[faith]]. It is appropriate to fit these pieces together and [[strengthen]] your faith in this way. I would like to ask you. Have you faced a very [[difficult]] [[experience]], one that put you in a place of some degree of hopelessness? That you felt you had [[exhausted]] your [[intellectual]] capabilities?
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HUMAN: Yes, not nearly as much tragedy as some people have faced, but I've had problems and adversities. As a student of the Urantia book I turned to the book for guidance.
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HUMAN: Yes, not nearly as much [[tragedy]] as some people have faced, but I've had [[problems]] and [[adversities]]. As a [[student]] of the [[Urantia book]] I turned to the book for [[guidance]].
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TARKAS: Can you think of a time that would fit in this category where you faced an adversity and you felt that your own intellect was unable to assist you sufficiently.
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TARKAS: Can you think of a time that would fit in this category where you faced an [[adversity]] and you felt that your own [[intellect]] was unable to assist you sufficiently.
    
HUMAN: Absolutely, I find out every day how little I really know.
 
HUMAN: Absolutely, I find out every day how little I really know.
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TARKAS: When you reach a point like that as you did in the past, what did you feel inside.
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TARKAS: When you reach a [[point]] like that as you did in the [[past]], what did you [[feel]] inside.
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HUMAN: I used to feel quite alone because I thought we were here to deal with everything on our own. At the time I didn't realize that the closeness was there, and there was a great deal of spiritual help very, very close. Now that I do know, I think I'm making remarkable spiritual progress every day.
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HUMAN: I used to feel quite [[alone]] because I thought we were here to deal with [[everything]] on our own. At the time I didn't realize that the closeness was there, and there was a great deal of spiritual help very, very close. Now that I do know, I think I'm making remarkable [[spiritual progress]] every day.
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TARKAS: So at that time, you did not consciously recognize the Father was personally with you and you perceived yourself to be alone. What allowed you to take a step forward from where you were.
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TARKAS: So at that time, you did not [[consciously]] [[recognize]] [[the Father]] was personally with you and you perceived yourself to be [[alone]]. What allowed you to take a step forward from where you were.
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HUMAN: Discovery of the [[text]] and reading it for some time.
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HUMAN: Discovery of the [[text]] and [[reading]] it for some time.
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TARKAS: What was within you at that very moment in which you were finding yourself so alone. Can you think about that experience? Is there something that you felt inside?
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TARKAS: What was within you at that very [[moment]] in which you were finding yourself so alone. Can you [[think]] about that [[experience]]? Is there something that you felt inside?
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HUMAN: When I felt alone, I just felt that all of the responsibility was on us here on earth to work out our own problems.
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HUMAN: When I felt [[alone]], I just felt that all of the [[responsibility]] was on us here on [[earth]] to work out our own [[problems]].
    
TARKAS: Did something help to lift you up from this point?
 
TARKAS: Did something help to lift you up from this point?
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HUMAN: Oh, yes. The realization of so many angels, with so many particular jobs. I realized then I must work with this closeness, that God was within me all the time.
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HUMAN: Oh, yes. The [[realization]] of so many [[angels]], with so many particular jobs. I realized then I must work with this closeness, that [[God]] was within me all the time.
    
TARKAS: When you realized this, did you feel anything inside?
 
TARKAS: When you realized this, did you feel anything inside?
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HUMAN: I think so.
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HUMAN: I [[think]] so.
    
TARKAS: Do you remember this sufficiently to describe it at all?
 
TARKAS: Do you remember this sufficiently to describe it at all?
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HUMAN: No
 
HUMAN: No
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TARKAS: I ask for you to concentrate on this. See if something comes to mind. Faith is something more than just your intellectual problem-solving. But I do understand you in what you say and you are on the right track. I appreciate how much you have shared. Others appreciate this sharing, as well.
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TARKAS: I ask for you to [[concentrate]] on this. See if something comes to [[mind]]. [[Faith]] is something more than just your [[intellectual]] problem-solving. But I do [[understand]] you in what you say and you are on the right track. I [[appreciate]] how much you have shared. Others appreciate this sharing, as well.
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Continue with your efforts; you are living in a good path and you are correct that as you become more aware of your personal relationship with the Father, you are indeed growing spiritually. Some feel that their faith is lost or stopped at times in their lives, but I wish to assure you that faith is not lost. You may not always be conscious of it, but your faith is growing. It grows faster at some times than others, but you do not lose this faith in a spiritual sense, your [[soul]] is developing. Next, please.
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Continue with your [[efforts]]; you are living in a good [[path]] and you are correct that as you become more [[aware]] of your personal [[relationship]] with [[the Father]], you are indeed growing spiritually. Some [[feel]] that their faith is lost or stopped at times in their lives, but I wish to [[assure]] you that [[faith]] is not lost. You may not always be [[conscious]] of it, but your [[faith]] is [[growing]]. It grows faster at some times than others, but you do not lose this faith in a spiritual sense, your [[soul]] is developing. Next, please.
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HUMAN: I felt that my responsibility was to recruit people for this group, and I've only had a certain amount of success. A lot of the people I talked to aren't interested in changing or accepting something new. A lot are satisfied where they are. Sometimes it is disappointing. I can't get through to too many. Quite frankly, I have more success with women, who are seemingly more open-minded than men. I realized that Jesus had trouble too. I guess I can't complain too much. I wondered if there was anything you'd want me to keep in mind while I talk to people about our meetings.
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HUMAN: I felt that my [[responsibility]] was to recruit people for this group, and I've only had a certain amount of success. A lot of the people I talked to aren't interested in changing or [[accepting]] something new. A lot are [[satisfied]] where they are. Sometimes it is [[disappointing]]. I can't get through to too many. Quite frankly, I have more success with women, who are seemingly more open-minded than men. I [[realized]] that [[Jesus]] had trouble too. I guess I can't [[complain]] too much. I wondered if there was anything you'd want me to keep in [[mind]] while I talk to people about our meetings.
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TARKAS: I am pleased that you wish to draw others to this group. I am pleased with the role you played, a very key role in getting this group off the ground. For, I believe, you were the "spike" to set this into motion.
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TARKAS: I am pleased that you wish to draw others to this group. I am pleased with the role you played, a very key role in getting this group off the ground. For, I believe, you were the "spike" to set this into [[motion]].
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It is difficult to be patient when you know of a truth and you wish others with whom you associate and with whom you care about to participate. In the end, you only have control of your will. You cannot [[force]] this on others. It must come from them. If the Father has allowed you the amount of time to work out your [[free will]] despite all the problems then should you not find an understanding of allowing others their own free will in this process?
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It is difficult to be [[patient]] when you know of a [[truth]] and you wish others with whom you [[associate]] and with whom you care about to [[participate]]. In the end, you only have [[control]] of your will. You cannot [[force]] this on others. It must come from them. If [[the Father]] has allowed you the amount of time to work out your [[free will]] despite all the [[problems]] then should you not find an [[understanding]] of allowing others their own free will in this [[process]]?
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But do persist in your attempts to reach others. Do not become disheartened. It does take time. You will develop [[wisdom]] in time as to who you will be more successful in approaching. What your main [[focus]] is now is developing your own growth, and as you do this others will see the changes in you and be drawn to you. By the fruits they shall know you. We will also be bringing others to you, so work hard to prepare. For we will bring many that you may not even know are interested or open.
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But do [[persist]] in your attempts to reach others. Do not become disheartened. It does take time. You will [[develop]] [[wisdom]] in time as to who you will be more successful in approaching. What your main [[focus]] is now is [[developing]] your own [[growth]], and as you do this others will see the [[changes]] in you and be drawn to you. By the fruits they shall know you. We will also be bringing others to you, so work hard to [[prepare]]. For we will bring many that you may not even know are interested or open.
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Another aspect to keep in mind is that you can share much of what you are learning by sharing truths that have rung true in your [[heart]], by sharing your own [[idea]]s as you evolve in this process in discussions with others. Truth is [[truth]] and for those who are open to seeking truth, they will begin to recognize this in your [[words]]. Soon their curiosity will be piqued and they will come to you.
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Another aspect to keep in [[mind]] is that you can [[share]] much of what you are learning by sharing [[truths]] that have rung true in your [[heart]], by sharing your own [[idea]]s as you evolve in this [[process]] in discussions with others. Truth is [[truth]] and for those who are open to [[seeking]] truth, they will begin to [[recognize]] this in your [[words]]. Soon their [[curiosity]] will be piqued and they will come to you.
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I understand your impatience, your desire for truth to move along. You have done much and should feel positive and good that you have done these things. I know you wish for more to be involved. It will come to the point in time where we must pull together those who are here and willing to be a part at this point in time, to strengthen this group, develop unity amongst these individuals, and to assist one another in your individual growth. Your group will swell, you will reach out to others to a greater degree than you might imagine at this time. You must allow each individual to make their own decisions. Do keep in touch with as many that you feel you should. Allow some guidance from inside in this process. Emphasize, for now, your own process and your own growth. Did that help?
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I understand your impatience, your [[desire]] for [[truth]] to move along. You have done much and should feel [[positive]] and good that you have done these things. I know you wish for more to be involved. It will come to the point in time where we must pull together those who are here and willing to be a part at this point in time, to [[strengthen]] this group, develop [[unity]] amongst these [[individuals]], and to assist one another in your individual [[growth]]. Your group will swell, you will reach out to others to a greater [[degree]] than you might [[imagine]] at this time. You must allow each [[individual]] to make their own [[decisions]]. Do keep in [[touch]] with as many that you feel you should. Allow some [[guidance]] from inside in this [[process]]. Emphasize, for now, your own [[process]] and your own [[growth]]. Did that help?
    
HUMAN: Yes, that's fine, thanks.
 
HUMAN: Yes, that's fine, thanks.
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TARKAS: It may not be an answer that you would like but it is the truth about how your group will evolve.
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TARKAS: It may not be an answer that you would like but it is the [[truth]] about how your group will evolve.
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HUMAN: Tarkas, as you know, there will be an international meeting this summer in Canada. Many of the students on the [[Teaching Mission]] will be there, I'm sure. I was just wondering if you or some of the other teachers may be coming along?
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HUMAN: Tarkas, as you know, there will be an international meeting this summer in Canada. Many of the students on the [[Teaching Mission]] will be there, I'm sure. I was just wondering if you or some of the other [[the Teachers|teachers]] may be coming along?
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TARKAS: Well, certainly we will be there as we are here. There are many in this room that you are unaware of. There is much speculation of what may transpire at this meeting, but there is nothing confirmed that I may share with you. I am pleased that so many will gather together, for the sharing of their experiences will bolster each other in their process. As you might be aware, there is also controversy.
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TARKAS: Well, certainly we will be there as we are here. There are many in this room that you are unaware of. There is much [[speculation]] of what may transpire at this meeting, but there is nothing [[confirmed]] that I may [[share]] with you. I am pleased that so many will gather [[together]], for the sharing of their [[experiences]] will bolster each other in their [[process]]. As you might be [[aware]], there is also [[controversy]].
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I appreciate all your questions, but I would like to go back to the topic of faith and continue around if there are others who wish to share their own experiences. We can have other questions at the end if time permits.
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I appreciate all your questions, but I would like to go back to the [[topic]] of [[faith]] and continue around if there are others who wish to [[share]] their own experiences. We can have other questions at the end if time permits.
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HUMAN: To me, faith was a technique by which I could reach out to things I thought were unknowable and to experience and know them. It was a sublime trust that I could know or receive things I didn't know were possible.
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HUMAN: To me, [[faith]] was a [[technique]] by which I could reach out to things I thought were unknowable and to [[experience]] and know them. It was a [[sublime]] [[trust]] that I could know or receive things I didn't know were possible.
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TARKAS: Michael, when he lived on your world as Jesus, relied upon his faith in the Father to a very large degree. You read in that paper at the end of the [[Urantia Text|Urantia book]] about the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_196 faith of Jesus]. Think about what it was like for him to walk upon this world. He developed an awareness of the Father's [[presence]] and he grew in his faith; he never faltered in this faith. It gave him the ability to face those things that he might find difficult, knowing that the Father was him. Even though he was unable to see the Father, he had the Father's love and support and he was loving and trusting of this support in his experience.
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TARKAS: [[Michael]], when he lived on [[your world]] as [[Jesus]], relied upon his [[faith]] in [[the Father]] to a very large [[degree]]. You read in that paper at the end of the [[Urantia Text|Urantia book]] about the [[faith of Jesus]]. Think about what it was like for him to walk upon [[this world]]. He developed an [[awareness]] of [[the Father]]'s [[presence]] and he grew in his faith; he never faltered in this [[faith]]. It gave him the ability to face those things that he might find difficult, knowing that [[the Father]] was him. Even though he was unable to see the Father, he had the Father's [[love]] and [[support]] and he was loving and [[trusting]] of this [[support]] in his [[experience]].
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I am pleased that you are aware of this kind of support that is available for you and its ability to help you to reach out to those things that are not seen and known by you.
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I am pleased that you are [[aware]] of this kind of [[support]] that is available for you and its ability to help you to reach out to those things that are not seen and known by you.
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HUMAN: When I was younger, I thought that faith was to believe what I was taught by others, official church people. Now, I feel a lot of encouragement to trust what I know and what is revealed to me in times of quiet and prayer. But I feel confused because it seems that faith has moved people, or what they call faith anyway, to hurt each other. People have even killed each other for [[religion]]. Sometimes I feel fearful of trusting my own inner guidance.
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HUMAN: When I was younger, I thought that [[faith]] was to [[believe]] what I was taught by others, official [[church]] people. Now, I feel a lot of [[encouragement]] to [[trust]] what I know and what is revealed to me in times of [[quiet]] and [[prayer]]. But I feel [[confused]] because it seems that faith has moved people, or what they call faith anyway, to hurt each other. People have even killed each other for [[religion]]. Sometimes I feel fearful of [[trusting]] my own inner [[guidance]].
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TARKAS: You have brought out an important aspect of faith. To understand that it is a very personal experience; that it is tied to your own process in becoming close to the Father as an individual. Many times it has been taught that you need someone between you and the Father to interpret and explain things to you. As you know now, this is not necessary, in fact it is not desirable. It is important that each develop their own relationship and their own [[God-Consciousness]]. I am interested in what it is you are afraid of. What would trusting this inner guide bring about that would make you fearful?
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TARKAS: You have brought out an important aspect of [[faith]]. To [[understand]] that it is a very [[personal]] [[experience]]; that it is tied to your own [[process]] in becoming close to [[the Father]] as an [[individual]]. Many times it has been taught that you need someone between you and the Father to [[interpret]] and [[explain]] things to you. As you know now, this is not [[necessary]], in fact it is not desirable. It is important that each develop their own relationship and their own [[God-Consciousness]]. I am interested in what it is you are afraid of. What would [[trusting]] this inner guide bring about that would make you [[fearful]]?
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HUMAN: I am only one person. There are a lot of large institutions founded in the name of religion that make me feel too small to have a [[voice]].
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HUMAN: I am only one [[person]]. There are a lot of large [[institutions]] founded in the name of [[religion]] that make me feel too small to have a [[voice]].
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TARKAS: It is very unfortunate that this is the experience of many in your world. You are a daughter of the universe. The Father loves you as much as He loves any other being in the entire [[universe of universes]]. This is difficult for you to feel inside yourself at this time. But I ask you to concentrate on this for it is true. You are no less than anyone else. No human organization had the authority of the Father to be more important in a religious and faith perspective than the relationship you personally have with the Father. In fact these organizations have actually caused whole generations of individuals not to grow in this way, to develop their own spiritual connection with the Father.
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TARKAS: It is very unfortunate that this is the experience of many in [[your world]]. You are a daughter of [[the universe]]. [[The Father]] loves you as much as He loves any other [[being]] in the entire [[universe of universes]]. This is difficult for you to feel inside yourself at this time. But I ask you to [[concentrate]] on this for it is true. You are no less than anyone else. No human [[organization]] had the [[authority]] of [[the Father]] to be more important in a religious and [[faith]] perspective than the [[relationship]] you personally have with the Father. In fact these [[organizations]] have actually caused whole [[generations]] of individuals not to grow in this way, to develop their own spiritual [[connection]] with [[the Father]].
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It is true that they do not always recognize this, that their [[intention]]s and motivations are often well-meaning. But the most important thing is for you to develop your individual relationship with the Father. You will grow confident in time with your inner guidance. You will always practice discernment in understanding what is truly guidance, what rings true for you. And will doubt those things which are only products of your mind. But trust in this process, for your angels and your [[Thought Adjuster]]s are hard at work with you.
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It is true that they do not always [[recognize]] this, that their [[intention]]s and [[motivations]] are often well-meaning. But the most important thing is for you to develop your individual [[relationship]] with [[the Father]]. You will grow [[confident]] in [[time]] with your inner [[guidance]]. You will always practice [[discernment]] in understanding what is truly guidance, what rings true for you. And will [[doubt]] those things which are only products of your [[mind]]. But trust in this [[process]], for your [[angels]] and your [[Thought Adjuster]]s are hard at work with you.
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There are many of us here to aid us in this process. Grow in your confidence. Remember how the Father does love you personally as much as anyone else. Think about this every morning as you rise. Draw strength and comfort from this [[knowledge]]. Thank you for sharing such a personal experience with your brothers and sisters in this group.
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There are many of us here to aid us in this [[process]]. Grow in your [[confidence]]. Remember how [[the Father]] does love you personally as much as anyone else. Think about this every [[morning]] as you rise. Draw [[strength]] and [[comfort]] from this [[knowledge]]. Thank you for [[sharing]] such a personal [[experience]] with your [[brothers and sisters]] in this group.
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I believe that many may feel some of the feelings that were expressed as well. I appreciate your reaching out to your sister when you have an opportunity to express such a thing. This is the way that you can support one another. There is much good within your religious institutions. But there is also much that is not as Jesus taught. This is difficult for many to accept and realize. But for the changes to happen in your world, each must develop their relationship and grow spiritually and support one another. In time, your institutions will truly become the temples of the Father. Are there others who wish to share at this time?
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I [[believe]] that many may feel some of the [[feelings]] that were [[expressed]] as well. I appreciate your reaching out to your sister when you have an [[opportunity]] to express such a thing. This is the way that you can [[support]] one another. There is much [[good]] within your religious [[institutions]]. But there is also much that is not as [[Jesus]] taught. This is difficult for many to [[accept]] and realize. But for the [[changes]] to happen in your world, each must develop their [[relationship]] and grow spiritually and [[support]] one another. In time, your [[institutions]] will truly become the [[temples]] of [[the Father]]. Are there others who wish to [[share]] at this time?
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When you talk about faith in your relationship with God . .. how would you describe faith in your own life?
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When you talk about [[faith]] in your [[relationship]] with [[God]] . .. how would you [[describe]] faith in your own life?
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HUMAN: I think of faith in my personal relationship with God, which I consider very elemental, not philosophical. I do a lot of visualization. A lot of the time, God and I sit on a porch swing, walk in a stream with our toes bare, sit upon a fence and watch the horses gallop by, watch children play. I've been through some stressful times lately . .. and mainly I cry and tell Him of a whole lot because I want Him to make it all good and take away the things that hurt me. I talk to Him all the time and tell Him about what is good. We do everything together. I can't philosophize about Him, He's just part of me. When my times were so hard, he was my best friend. When no one was there, He was there. I really knew it. I felt Him there, holding my hand. There were times when I would visualize Him with hands out to me and I would just walk up, we would put our arms around each other. I felt calm and peace. He's my buddy, I know He cares for me. And that's how my faith is.
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HUMAN: I think of [[faith]] in my personal [[relationship]] with [[God]], which I consider very elemental, not philosophical. I do a lot of [[visualization]]. A lot of the time, [[God]] and I sit on a porch swing, walk in a [[stream]] with our toes bare, sit upon a fence and watch the horses gallop by, watch children [[play]]. I've been through some stressful times lately . .. and mainly I [[cry]] and tell Him of a whole lot because I want Him to make it all good and take away the things that hurt me. I talk to Him all the time and tell Him about what is [[good]]. We do everything [[together]]. I can't philosophize about Him, He's just part of me. When my times were so hard, he was my best [[friend]]. When no one was there, He was there. I really knew it. I felt Him there, holding my hand. There were times when I would [[visualize]] Him with hands out to me and I would just walk up, we would put our arms around each other. I felt [[calm]] and [[peace]]. He's my buddy, I know He cares for me. And that's how my [[faith]] is.
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TARKAS: This is very beautiful what you share. You describe how you see the Father's love in all those things around you, in the [[beauty]] of [[nature]], plants and animals and children. This is truth you are recognizing in all around you; you are feeling the Father's love. You converse with the Father and share all of your experiences with Him. The Father does, in fact, experience these [[things]] with you. This is what He desires each of you to do, to share and discuss your life with him on a daily basis.
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TARKAS: This is very [[beautiful]] what you [[share]]. You [[describe]] how you see the Father's love in all those things around you, in the [[beauty]] of [[nature]], plants and animals and children. This is [[truth]] you are recognizing in all around you; you are [[feeling]] [[the Father]]'s [[love]]. You converse with the Father and share all of your [[experiences]] with Him. The Father does, in [[fact]], experience these [[things]] with you. This is what He [[desires]] each of you to do, to [[share]] and discuss your life with him on a daily basis.
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You describe a [[worship]]ful experience in communing with Him in these ways, giving your will to Him to try to do what He is asking. Most importantly in terms of what we are discussing here tonight, you recognize that He is always there for you, that you can draw upon His love to comfort you and to uphold you. You described feeling Him present with you. This is important for all. You have many gifts and have learned much about relating with the Father. As you grow in your faith, you will grow in your trust for the Father. You will find your way to draw upon His love, to seek the guidance of your Thought Adjusters and [[angel]]s to guide you through these most difficult experiences you face. There is so much in what you have described. You do understand these processes and you are using them in your life. Continue to pray and worship and your effectiveness will increase. Trust in the Father; have faith in His [[presence]]. Thank you for sharing this.
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You [[describe]] a [[worship]]ful experience in communing with Him in these ways, giving your will to Him to try to do what He is asking. Most importantly in terms of what we are discussing here tonight, you [[recognize]] that He is always there for you, that you can draw upon His love to [[comfort]] you and to uphold you. You described feeling Him present with you. This is important for all. You have many gifts and have learned much about relating with [[the Father]]. As you grow in your [[faith]], you will grow in your [[trust]] for the Father. You will find your way to draw upon His [[love]], to seek the guidance of your [[Thought Adjusters]] and [[angel]]s to guide you through these most difficult [[experiences]] you face. There is so much in what you have described. You do understand these processes and you are using them in your life. Continue to [[pray]] and [[worship]] and your effectiveness will increase. [[Trust]] in [[the Father]]; have faith in His [[presence]]. Thank you for [[sharing]] this.
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HUMAN: May I ask you something else? Sometimes, I used to write letters to God. I'd just relax and [[words]] would come into my head and I'd put them on paper. I considered that God was writing back to me because it certainly didn't sound like anything I'd be saying. Sometimes I could tell He was irritated with me. He also would make a joke; one time He told me I bothered the peace of the birds the way I went on. It was funny.
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HUMAN: May I ask you something else? Sometimes, I used to [[write]] letters to [[God]]. I'd just relax and [[words]] would come into my head and I'd put them on paper. I considered that [[God]] was writing back to me because it certainly didn't sound like anything I'd be saying. Sometimes I could tell He was irritated with me. He also would make a [[joke]]; one time He told me I bothered the [[peace]] of the birds the way I went on. It was funny.
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Mostly, He would tell me to be peaceful, calm and trusting. Were the letters really from Him? Would you know anything about that? I felt that they were.
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Mostly, He would tell me to be [[peaceful]], calm and [[trusting]]. Were the letters really from Him? Would you know anything about that? I felt that they were.
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TARKAS: The Father works in many ways. The Father is working with each of us in this [[dimension]]. I would say that it is most probable that you were being offered assistance. I cannot but speculate about where that assistance was originated. We are not permitted to have [[information]] about times your Thought Adjuster would communicate directly with you.
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TARKAS: [[The Father]] works in many ways. The Father is working with each of us in this [[dimension]]. I would say that it is most probable that you were being offered [[assistance]]. I cannot but speculate about where that assistance was originated. We are not permitted to have [[information]] about times your [[Thought Adjuster]] would [[communicate]] directly with you.
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This is rare on your planet at this point in spiritual development for each of you. But our teachers are aware in talking with individuals that there have been times when individuals have tapped into guidance. Sometimes this is from a spiritual being, such as your teachers, or many times it is your angels. There are many beings around to support and guide and many have been here before this particular mission. There were many efforts made before the teachers began to communicate with individuals.
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This is rare on [[your planet]] at this point in [[spiritual development]] for each of you. But our teachers are aware in talking with [[individuals]] that there have been times when individuals have tapped into [[guidance]]. Sometimes this is from a spiritual being, such as your [[teachers]], or many times it is your [[angels]]. There are many beings around to [[support]] and guide and many have been here before this particular mission. There were many [[efforts]] made before [[the teachers]] began to [[communicate]] with [[individuals]].
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It sounds as though you feel strongly that this guidance was from within yourself or beyond yourself. I would say that if you take this in and let the truth be felt and you decide that these things are good teachings, good guidance, and are true, that you should trust in these. The process you describe of communicating your struggles, of seeking the [[stillness]] and quiet and listening, are the appropriate approaches. I would say you most probably did receive guidance. Did you find this helpful to you?
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It sounds as though you feel strongly that this guidance was from within yourself or beyond yourself. I would say that if you take this in and let the [[truth]] be felt and you [[decide]] that these things are good teachings, good [[guidance]], and are true, that you should [[trust]] in these. The [[process]] you describe of communicating your [[struggles]], of seeking the [[stillness]] and quiet and [[listening]], are the appropriate approaches. I would say you most probably did receive [[guidance]]. Did you find this helpful to you?
    
HUMAN: Yes, very much so.
 
HUMAN: Yes, very much so.
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TARKAS: Continue in your efforts. If you prefer writing, use that approach. If you prefer listening that is fine, also.
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TARKAS: Continue in your [[efforts]]. If you prefer [[writing]], use that approach. If you prefer [[listening]] that is fine, also.
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HUMAN: Tarkas, when I first began to trust in a [[power]] much greater than myself, who I believe to be the Creator of all living things, still my faith began when I took a look at myself as a creation of His. To begin with faith in Him, I put my faith in myself. Because I am His creation and because I've been told He doesn't make garbage, I began to overcome adversities. I began to find peace in my life. In finding that faith within myself, I am able to go into the world I live in, and the people that I have been introduced to in my little world . .. I cannot share with all the world what I have been taught, and what has been revealed to me. But in the world that I exist in today, my faith has helped me, and I see light come to other people in my family. I've had people drawn to me and I'm drawn to others. I believe that it all began with a trust of a power greater than myself, knowing that power had created me, and in so doing, having faith in myself to share that power. I think we all have the power of sharing peace.
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HUMAN: Tarkas, when I first began to trust in a [[power]] much greater than myself, who I believe to be the Creator of all living things, still my [[faith]] began when I took a look at myself as a [[creation]] of His. To begin with faith in Him, I put my faith in myself. Because I am His [[creation]] and because I've been told He doesn't make garbage, I began to overcome [[adversities]]. I began to find peace in my life. In finding that [[faith]] within myself, I am able to go into the world I live in, and the people that I have been introduced to in my little world . .. I cannot [[share]] with all the world what I have been taught, and what has been [[revealed]] to me. But in the world that I exist in today, my [[faith]] has helped me, and I see [[light]] come to other people in my [[family]]. I've had people drawn to me and I'm drawn to others. I believe that it all began with a [[trust]] of a power greater than myself, knowing that power had created me, and in so doing, having faith in myself to [[share]] that power. I think we all have the power of sharing [[peace]].
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TARKAS: We are very pleased and this group is honored to have you with us. You share much truth. I commend you on your understanding and your efforts to develop these understandings. You have searched and found truth, you have put this into action. You describe your experience at recognizing yourself as a daughter of the universe, the daughter of the Father, and you are beginning to understand who you really are in this universe. If each of you would understand this and grow in this understanding, all the rest would follow so easily and automatically.
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TARKAS: We are very pleased and this group is honored to have you with us. You share much [[truth]]. I commend you on your [[understanding]] and your [[efforts]] to develop these understandings. You have searched and found [[truth]], you have put this into [[action]]. You describe your [[experience]] at recognizing yourself as a daughter of the universe, the daughter of [[the Father]], and you are beginning to [[understand]] who you really are in this universe. If each of you would understand this and [[grow]] in this understanding, all the rest would follow so easily and automatically.
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You talk of feeling this peace. I would describe this as the Father's love that you are experiencing. Try to become cognizant of this and focus on this peace and love. As you grow, you will be aware of this more and more within your daily routine. Ultimately, in your career you will become aware of this all your conscious time. You talk of allowing this to flow out to others and others recognizing this and being drawn to it. It is true that if you allow the Father's love to flow through you to others, they will be attracted, and you are then showing forth the fruits. Thank you for sharing this.
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You talk of [[feeling]] this peace. I would [[describe]] this as [[the Father]]'s love that you are [[experiencing]]. Try to become cognizant of this and [[focus]] on this [[peace]] and [[love]]. As you grow, you will be aware of this more and more within your daily [[routine]]. Ultimately, in your [[career]] you will become aware of this all your [[conscious]] time. You talk of allowing this to [[flow]] out to others and others [[recognizing]] this and being drawn to it. It is true that if you allow [[the Father]]'s love to flow through you to others, they will be attracted, and you are then showing forth the fruits. Thank you for [[sharing]] this.
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HUMAN: Tarkas, I have a small thing that just keeps pestering me. Do we grow in faith or do we learn to use the faith we were given at creation?
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HUMAN: Tarkas, I have a small thing that just keeps pestering me. Do we grow in [[faith]] or do we learn to use the faith we were given at [[creation]]?
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TARKAS: This is interesting, is it not? I am thinking how I wish to answer your question. I would say that when many think of faith, they are referring to their conscious awareness of faith in the Father. And, indeed this does grow with your effort. There is growth within your soul as you make decisions and face the things you face in your life. And in reference to this experience, I would say your faith grows.
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TARKAS: This is interesting, is it not? I am [[thinking]] how I wish to answer your question. I would say that when many think of [[faith]], they are referring to their conscious [[awareness]] of faith in [[the Father]]. And, indeed this does grow with your [[effort]]. There is [[growth]] within your [[soul]] as you make decisions and face the things you face in your life. And in [[reference]] to this [[experience]], I would say your faith grows.
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The Father's presence and connection to you has always been and is always there. It is constant. It does not change. And in that regard, if you refer to this in terms of faith, then it is true it always has been there for each of you. Does that help?
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[[The Father]]'s [[presence]] and [[connection]] to you has always been and is always there. It is constant. It does not [[change]]. And in that regard, if you refer to this in terms of faith, then it is true it always has been there for each of you. Does that help?
    
HUMAN: Yes.
 
HUMAN: Yes.
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TARKAS: I offer it is a matter of conceptualization. We are able to see things on a different plane than you and I'm not always quick to come up with the response. Thank you for bearing with me...
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TARKAS: I offer it is a matter of [[conceptualization]]. We are able to see things on a different [[plane]] than you and I'm not always quick to come up with the [[response]]. Thank you for bearing with me...
    
HUMANS: Neither are we. (laughter)
 
HUMANS: Neither are we. (laughter)
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TARKAS: We grow together then. Are there others who wish to share?
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TARKAS: We grow [[together]] then. Are there others who wish to [[share]]?
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HUMAN: Sometimes I tell people that God has given us two kinds of sight. There are the ordinary eyes to see [[material]] [[things]]. And then there is faith to see spiritual things. If you want to see God, paradise, angels, Melchizedeks, your own [[soul]], if you are quiet enough and peaceful enough to look, He'll just show it to you. It gives you a wonderful sense of peace and joy if you just use your eyes of faith, and don't forget to talk to Him.
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HUMAN: Sometimes I tell people that [[God]] has given us two kinds of [[sight]]. There are the ordinary eyes to see [[material]] [[things]]. And then there is [[faith]] to see spiritual things. If you want to see [[God]], [[paradise]], [[angels]], [[Melchizedeks]], your own [[soul]], if you are [[quiet]] enough and peaceful enough to look, He'll just show it to you. It gives you a [[wonderful]] sense of [[peace]] and [[joy]] if you just use your eyes of faith, and don't forget to talk to Him.
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TARKAS: Thank you for [[sharing]] this. I will attempt to present a brief summarization and add a few comments to what has been stated. I would say that this [[process]] of sharing has been most fruitful, that what has been shared has [[touched]] others, and I think this [[process]] is beneficial. I would like to know if you share this [[feeling]], that this was useful.
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TARKAS: Thank you for sharing this. I will attempt to present a brief summarization and add a few comments to what has been stated. I would say that this process of sharing has been most fruitful, that what has been shared has touched others, and I think this process is beneficial. I would like to know if you share this feeling, that this was useful.
   
===Summary===
 
===Summary===
 
TARKAS: Some groups prefer to have a more lecture-type of presentation. We will [[experiment]] with different things, but this was most fruitful today and I believe this sharing will benefit you in getting to know one another and in seeing your opportunities in being of service to one another. I believe we will use this format in the future again.
 
TARKAS: Some groups prefer to have a more lecture-type of presentation. We will [[experiment]] with different things, but this was most fruitful today and I believe this sharing will benefit you in getting to know one another and in seeing your opportunities in being of service to one another. I believe we will use this format in the future again.