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===Lesson===
 
===Lesson===
 
===='''''[[Language]]'''''====
 
===='''''[[Language]]'''''====
Iruka: Thank you for [[sharing]], this is something new that I wanted to try and start an [[interaction]] within the group, and it wasn't nearly as [[difficult]] as you thought it was. The first step is always the hardest. You are taking the [[love]] that [[the Father]] is giving to you unconditionally and you are sending it out to someone else unconditionally. When you keep in [[mind]] that nothing may come back to you at all from this [[person]], but [[the Father]]'s [[love]] will come back to you by giving out this love and letting the others [[receive]] it. Then they [[change]], they notice the [[difference]] and of course the first step is being [[aware]], being [[conscious]] of your [[words]], of your [[attitude]], and becoming aware of your flippant remarks, little funny sayings. Start to think about things that are in your [[conversation]], that to you may be funny little remarks, but think of how someone else could take them. Could this remark be misunderstood, is it really a [[negative]] remark, is it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism sexist], is it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism racist], could it hurt somebody. Many times we say things that we do not even [[realize]] can be [[interpreted]] [[negatively]]. When this [[love]] [[flows]] through you and you wish to send it out, you don't want it to be misinterpreted. So I am asking you to think about your remarks, your comments, [[words]] can be very destructive or they can be very uplifting. So my [[assignment]] for this week is to think about what you are going to say before you say it. And think would this hurt anyone or would this be [[negative]] in any way. If you are showing [[the Father]]'s [[love]] would He say this? Would [[Christ]] [[Michael]] say this? Becoming [[conscious]], becoming [[aware]] will help you in many ways, but right now we are going to [[focus]] on your [[conversation]], on your [[words]]. So think about this and be aware. I will now answer [[questions]].
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Iruka: Thank you for [[sharing]], this is something new that I wanted to try and start an [[interaction]] within the group, and it wasn't nearly as [[difficult]] as you thought it was. The first step is always the hardest. You are taking the [[love]] that [[the Father]] is giving to you unconditionally and you are sending it out to someone else unconditionally. When you keep in [[mind]] that nothing may come back to you at all from this [[person]], but [[the Father]]'s [[love]] will come back to you by giving out this love and letting the others [[receive]] it. Then they [[change]], they notice the [[difference]] and of course the first step is being [[aware]], being [[conscious]] of your [[words]], of your [[attitude]], and becoming aware of your flippant remarks, little funny sayings. Start to think about things that are in your [[conversation]], that to you may be funny little remarks, but think of how someone else could take them. Could this remark be misunderstood, is it really a [[negative]] remark, is it [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism sexist], is it [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism racist], could it hurt somebody. Many times we say things that we do not even [[realize]] can be [[interpreted]] [[negatively]]. When this [[love]] [[flows]] through you and you wish to send it out, you don't want it to be misinterpreted. So I am asking you to think about your remarks, your comments, [[words]] can be very destructive or they can be very uplifting. So my [[assignment]] for this week is to think about what you are going to say before you say it. And think would this hurt anyone or would this be [[negative]] in any way. If you are showing [[the Father]]'s [[love]] would He say this? Would [[Christ]] [[Michael]] say this? Becoming [[conscious]], becoming [[aware]] will help you in many ways, but right now we are going to [[focus]] on your [[conversation]], on your [[words]]. So think about this and be aware. I will now answer [[questions]].
 
===Dialogue===
 
===Dialogue===
 
S1: Hello Iruka, I would like to introduce some new [[faces]], some new [[folks]] here. Three new people are introduced.
 
S1: Hello Iruka, I would like to introduce some new [[faces]], some new [[folks]] here. Three new people are introduced.
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Iruka: Thank you, and welcome back (to a group member) and welcome to the new people. I am [[aware]] that you are [[truth]] [[seekers]] and have come to [[learn]].
 
Iruka: Thank you, and welcome back (to a group member) and welcome to the new people. I am [[aware]] that you are [[truth]] [[seekers]] and have come to [[learn]].
 
===='''''[[Attitude]]''''', '''''[[Barriers]]'''''====
 
===='''''[[Attitude]]''''', '''''[[Barriers]]'''''====
S2: Iruka, I have been leading seminars the last six years and I have been biting(?) my [[words]] every day. Last week I, at the end of these seminars they pass out [[critique]] forms and people write down how they [[feel]] about me, as well as the [[course]]. And occasionally I get this criticism that I am [[condescending]] and I know when these [[events]] occur, these [[words]] occur, is it always words that can be [[interpreted]] wrongly. Can it be a pause, can it be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_language body language], can it be a glance, can it be some expected [[behavior]] that is not exactly [[words]] but they interpret it wrongly? and they see me not as loving but as [[condescending]].
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S2: Iruka, I have been leading seminars the last six years and I have been biting(?) my [[words]] every day. Last week I, at the end of these seminars they pass out [[critique]] forms and people write down how they [[feel]] about me, as well as the [[course]]. And occasionally I get this criticism that I am [[condescending]] and I know when these [[events]] occur, these [[words]] occur, is it always words that can be [[interpreted]] wrongly. Can it be a pause, can it be [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_language body language], can it be a glance, can it be some expected [[behavior]] that is not exactly [[words]] but they interpret it wrongly? and they see me not as loving but as [[condescending]].
    
Iruka: It can be all of these things of course. And they can be misinterpreted. My best suggestion would be to check your [[attitude]]. And possibly [[change]] it to be loving, and helpful. You are [[acting]] as a [[teacher]] to teach and not put off the [[students]]. And this is [[difficult]] with a large group of people, because they are at [[different]] levels. So finding where they are and teaching them is [[difficult]] because you can't meet everyone's needs exactly. You have to find ranges, find out or [[assume]] what they know and go from there. Do you ask questions to find out what they know or where they are? With the [[topic]]?
 
Iruka: It can be all of these things of course. And they can be misinterpreted. My best suggestion would be to check your [[attitude]]. And possibly [[change]] it to be loving, and helpful. You are [[acting]] as a [[teacher]] to teach and not put off the [[students]]. And this is [[difficult]] with a large group of people, because they are at [[different]] levels. So finding where they are and teaching them is [[difficult]] because you can't meet everyone's needs exactly. You have to find ranges, find out or [[assume]] what they know and go from there. Do you ask questions to find out what they know or where they are? With the [[topic]]?
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Iruka: I do not understand a "pause". Could you elaborate on that?
 
Iruka: I do not understand a "pause". Could you elaborate on that?
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V: Yes earlier you mentioned that people never, in their [[soul]] [[progression]], they do not go backwards, they do not relapse. If anything they just pause. So I was using the term you had used earlier because it was very [[clear]] to me and I thought that it was a [[good]] [[word]] to use from your [[description]]. A pause in your [[spiritual development]], so from all the [[literature]] I have [[read]], and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_text sacred texts] going even outside of [[Christianity]], to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism Hinduism], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism Sophism], and maybe different [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions_of_the_Ancient_Near_East ancient religions], I understand that...well I understand that [[suicide]] would incur a pause in your [[spiritual development]] although you would learn from it you would basically set yourself back. I guess there is actually a bigger [[question]], than that specific question, and the bigger question is these are really important issues to us right now or at least to me and I know to many people who are trying to deal with...maybe they don't have [[disease]] in their life or in their immediate [[family]] like I do or see somebody who is [[suffering]]. But certainly anybody who is extremely [[sensitive]] to what is going around us can see in Europe right now the terrible things humans are doing to one another, just trying to get some direction from you, knowing that we could get [[direction]] from you would encourage me to come back to the [[study]] group, and I desperately want to get involved with a spiritual [[study]] [[group]]. But if you are going to side-step the issues of whether [[spirituality]] is right or wrong or [[abortion]] is right or wrong, I am asking you to give us some indication of what it is you can offer us, maybe you would be willing to comment in a less direct way possibly, but I see those issues are very big for me right now how to deal with the [[suffering]] and you gotta put your foot down and say [[genocide]] is wrong and I guess, I don't know. I guess it is sort of a comment and I was hoping you could comment further on my [[thoughts]].
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V: Yes earlier you mentioned that people never, in their [[soul]] [[progression]], they do not go backwards, they do not relapse. If anything they just pause. So I was using the term you had used earlier because it was very [[clear]] to me and I thought that it was a [[good]] [[word]] to use from your [[description]]. A pause in your [[spiritual development]], so from all the [[literature]] I have [[read]], and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_text sacred texts] going even outside of [[Christianity]], to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism Hinduism], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism Sophism], and maybe different [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions_of_the_Ancient_Near_East ancient religions], I understand that...well I understand that [[suicide]] would incur a pause in your [[spiritual development]] although you would learn from it you would basically set yourself back. I guess there is actually a bigger [[question]], than that specific question, and the bigger question is these are really important issues to us right now or at least to me and I know to many people who are trying to deal with...maybe they don't have [[disease]] in their life or in their immediate [[family]] like I do or see somebody who is [[suffering]]. But certainly anybody who is extremely [[sensitive]] to what is going around us can see in Europe right now the terrible things humans are doing to one another, just trying to get some direction from you, knowing that we could get [[direction]] from you would encourage me to come back to the [[study]] group, and I desperately want to get involved with a spiritual [[study]] [[group]]. But if you are going to side-step the issues of whether [[spirituality]] is right or wrong or [[abortion]] is right or wrong, I am asking you to give us some indication of what it is you can offer us, maybe you would be willing to comment in a less direct way possibly, but I see those issues are very big for me right now how to deal with the [[suffering]] and you gotta put your foot down and say [[genocide]] is wrong and I guess, I don't know. I guess it is sort of a comment and I was hoping you could comment further on my [[thoughts]].
    
Iruka: Yes, and it involves a few different answers, a few different areas, parts if you will. On one level, we will take the [[free will]] [[topic]]. Humans have free will to make their own [[decisions]]. I am here as a [[teacher]], a [[guide]], a helper. If I told you, if I specifically said one thing, that would be crossing your will, that would be [[influencing]] you. You go to [[the Father]] and ask Him. My [[purpose]] is for you to become closer with Him. You do what He says, in your [[quiet time]] you ask Him. I will not [[interfere]] with that, I would be in [[error]] to do this, to cross your will is not part of my [[assignment]]. I have strict instructions not to.  
 
Iruka: Yes, and it involves a few different answers, a few different areas, parts if you will. On one level, we will take the [[free will]] [[topic]]. Humans have free will to make their own [[decisions]]. I am here as a [[teacher]], a [[guide]], a helper. If I told you, if I specifically said one thing, that would be crossing your will, that would be [[influencing]] you. You go to [[the Father]] and ask Him. My [[purpose]] is for you to become closer with Him. You do what He says, in your [[quiet time]] you ask Him. I will not [[interfere]] with that, I would be in [[error]] to do this, to cross your will is not part of my [[assignment]]. I have strict instructions not to.  

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