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==Facilitators==

==Facilitators==

===Teacher: [[Iruka]]===

===Teacher: [[Iruka]]===

===TR: [[Unknown]]===

===TR: [[Pam]]===

 

==Session==

==Session==

===Opening===

===Opening===

I [[appreciate]] those who did, it is taking a [[risk]]. I think that half the [[battle]] is being [[aware]] and just noticing that the [[conversation]] is getting [[negative]] and noticing what you are saying, your [[words]], how you are [[communicating]] or even how you are saying your [[words]]. And this is what I wanted you to become [[aware]] of, and I think that it can be [[difficult]] because so often times we talk without [[thinking]] or we talk without [[meaning]] what we say. So this was an [[exercise]] for you to notice your [[words]]. I will leave you with the same [[assignment]] since it will be several weeks before we meet like this again. Just notice how you say your [[words]] and what words you [[choose]], and the [[impact]] they have on the other [[person]]. It is just something to become [[aware]] of, how others are [[perceiving]] you. If your [[goal]] is to show [[love]], of course you want others to be [[aware]] of the love. You don't want certain phrases or [[attitudes]] to take away from that [[love]]. So you see this is the next step, you are showing love very, very freely. Now we are working on the [[perception]] of how people are seeing you and this love. I will now take [[questions]].

I [[appreciate]] those who did, it is taking a [[risk]]. I think that half the [[battle]] is being [[aware]] and just noticing that the [[conversation]] is getting [[negative]] and noticing what you are saying, your [[words]], how you are [[communicating]] or even how you are saying your [[words]]. And this is what I wanted you to become [[aware]] of, and I think that it can be [[difficult]] because so often times we talk without [[thinking]] or we talk without [[meaning]] what we say. So this was an [[exercise]] for you to notice your [[words]]. I will leave you with the same [[assignment]] since it will be several weeks before we meet like this again. Just notice how you say your [[words]] and what words you [[choose]], and the [[impact]] they have on the other [[person]]. It is just something to become [[aware]] of, how others are [[perceiving]] you. If your [[goal]] is to show [[love]], of course you want others to be [[aware]] of the love. You don't want certain phrases or [[attitudes]] to take away from that [[love]]. So you see this is the next step, you are showing love very, very freely. Now we are working on the [[perception]] of how people are seeing you and this love. I will now take [[questions]].

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

S1: Hello Iruka, I got an interesting phone call from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_of_the_United_States west coast of the United States]. There will be someone joining us from the nation of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile Chile]. Are you aware of this gal, do you know anything about her or anything we could do to help her get settled here?

S1: Hello Iruka, I got an interesting phone call from the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_of_the_United_States west coast of the United States]. There will be someone joining us from the nation of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile Chile]. Are you aware of this gal, do you know anything about her or anything we could do to help her get settled here?

Iruka: I am [[aware]] that there will be a [[visitor]] for several months here, merely show her [[love]] and help if she asks for it. If she is used to a big [[City|metropolitan]] area she will just have to get used to the roads and the transit systems. She may need help with that, but just show her [[friendship]] and love and [[listen]] to her. See what she needs, oftentimes moves can be stressful and she may just want to [[talk]]. So [[play]] it by ear and just meet her and get to know her. Does this help?

Iruka: I am [[aware]] that there will be a [[visitor]] for several months here, merely show her [[love]] and help if she asks for it. If she is used to a big [[City|metropolitan]] area she will just have to get used to the roads and the transit systems. She may need help with that, but just show her [[friendship]] and love and [[listen]] to her. See what she needs, oftentimes moves can be stressful and she may just want to [[talk]]. So [[play]] it by ear and just meet her and get to know her. Does this help?

===='''''[[Evil]]''''====

===='''''[[Evil]]''''', '''''[[Rebellion]]''''', '''''[[Judgment]]'''''====

G3: Hello Iruka, my question is concerning what part does the [[devil]] play in our everyday affairs or our everyday living. You very seldom talk about the [[Evil|evilness]] in the world and mostly when we have our lessons you mostly speak about the [[love]] of [[God]]. I do have a friend who is very concerned about the [[power]] of [[evil]] and [[the devil]] and sometimes she will say that such and such a [[person]] is [[possessed]] by the devil and this has been a [[conversation]] that we have [[debated]] over whether or not a person can be possessed by the devil. And also is there a such a place, [[physical]] place, [[material]] place as [[hell]]. Does that still exist or what is...could you help me out with these two [[questions]]?

G3: Hello Iruka, my question is concerning what part does the [[devil]] play in our everyday affairs or our everyday living. You very seldom talk about the [[Evil|evilness]] in the world and mostly when we have our lessons you mostly speak about the [[love]] of [[God]]. I do have a friend who is very concerned about the [[power]] of [[evil]] and [[the devil]] and sometimes she will say that such and such a [[person]] is [[possessed]] by the devil and this has been a [[conversation]] that we have [[debated]] over whether or not a person can be possessed by the devil. And also is there a such a place, [[physical]] place, [[material]] place as [[hell]]. Does that still exist or what is...could you help me out with these two [[questions]]?

Iruka: Certainly, I will try. On the planet [[Urantia]], there has been one [[word]], one name for [[three]] [[individuals]]. When you refer to the devil humans usually refer to an individual named [[Satan]], one named [[Lucifer]], or one named [[Caligastia]]. They are sort of rolled up into one [[being]] and called the devil, and since [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984 1984] when the [[Lucifer Rebellion]] was [[adjudicated]], these beings are as if they never were. They do not exist anymore. There was a [[time]] that humans could be, [[possessed]] is not a very descriptive term, but overwhelmed might be a better word. But since [[Jesus]] walked [[your planet]] this does not happen anymore, it cannot happen. The [[evil]] that is here is created by man. As there becomes more and more [[love]] in the world, this will [[dissipate]], this will go away by itself. It takes enormous [[energy]] to sustain [[evil]], and it will not last, it will go away. You don't need to be [[afraid]] of someone taking over your [[personality]], your will, your [[desires]] and making you do things or think things that you don't want to.  

Iruka: Certainly, I will try. On the planet [[Urantia]], there has been one [[word]], one name for [[three]] [[individuals]]. When you refer to the devil humans usually refer to an individual named [[Satan]], one named [[Lucifer]], or one named [[Caligastia]]. They are sort of rolled up into one [[being]] and called the devil, and since [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984 1984] when the [[Lucifer Rebellion]] was [[adjudicated]], these beings are as if they never were. They do not exist anymore. There was a [[time]] that humans could be, [[possessed]] is not a very descriptive term, but overwhelmed might be a better word. But since [[Jesus]] walked [[your planet]] this does not happen anymore, it cannot happen. The [[evil]] that is here is created by man. As there becomes more and more [[love]] in the world, this will [[dissipate]], this will go away by itself. It takes enormous [[energy]] to sustain [[evil]], and it will not last, it will go away. You don't need to be [[afraid]] of someone taking over your [[personality]], your will, your [[desires]] and making you do things or think things that you don't want to.

 

===='''''[[Hell]]'''''====

===='''''[[Hell]]'''''====

As for the subject of [[hell]], that was created centuries ago for people who appeared to have [[everything]]. [[Money]], [[power]], and so to make the [[poor]] people feel better about the [[rich]] person who was [[evil]] and had all this [[money]], they were told that he would spend his [[eternity]] in a place where he would be eternally punished, in [[pain]], on [[fire]], some horrible thing would happen to him. This [[idea]] has been created by [[humans]]. [[The Father]] has such [[capacity]] for [[love]], He doesn't want to loose even one of His [[creatures]], one of his children. But if they [[choose]] to not serve Him, or move towards Him, or [[grow]] to be like Him, they can [[decide]] to not exist. It would be terribly [[painful]] for [[the Father]] if [[Lucifer]] was in a place where he was miserable, where he was in [[pain]], where he hurt. Even in [[Lucifer]]'s [[error]], [[the Father]] still loved him. The Father is incapable of [[wishing]] this type of [[torment]] on anyone, even someone who has turned against Him. So in answer to your [[question]], no there is no place like [[hell]]. [[The Father]] could not stand it. Does this help?

As for the subject of [[hell]], that was created centuries ago for people who appeared to have [[everything]]. [[Money]], [[power]], and so to make the [[poor]] people feel better about the [[rich]] person who was [[evil]] and had all this [[money]], they were told that he would spend his [[eternity]] in a place where he would be eternally punished, in [[pain]], on [[fire]], some horrible thing would happen to him. This [[idea]] has been created by [[humans]]. [[The Father]] has such [[capacity]] for [[love]], He doesn't want to loose even one of His [[creatures]], one of his children. But if they [[choose]] to not serve Him, or move towards Him, or [[grow]] to be like Him, they can [[decide]] to not exist. It would be terribly [[painful]] for [[the Father]] if [[Lucifer]] was in a place where he was miserable, where he was in [[pain]], where he hurt. Even in [[Lucifer]]'s [[error]], [[the Father]] still loved him. The Father is incapable of [[wishing]] this type of [[torment]] on anyone, even someone who has turned against Him. So in answer to your [[question]], no there is no place like [[hell]]. [[The Father]] could not stand it. Does this help?

Iruka: There is no [[pain]], there is no [[consciousness]]. Maybe that word would be better. There is no [[awareness]], there is nothing, its gone. No [[pain]], no nothing.

Iruka: There is no [[pain]], there is no [[consciousness]]. Maybe that word would be better. There is no [[awareness]], there is nothing, its gone. No [[pain]], no nothing.

===='''''[[Free will]]'''''====

===='''''[[Free will]]'''''====

S2: Iruka, I have a [[friend]] who [[channels]], which is to me similar to [[TR]]ing. She channels for a variety of [[spirits]], [[angels]], one's name is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Speaks#Seth_Material Seth]. Seth has appeared in many [[books]] and has channeled through many people. I am [[wondering]] if you could comment on Seth as a [[spiritual]] [[creature]] and if there are any others like him that came before you. Perhaps they are [[teachers]]?

S2: Iruka, I have a [[friend]] who [[channels]], which is to me similar to [[TR]]ing. She channels for a variety of [[spirits]], [[angels]], one's name is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Speaks#Seth_Material Seth]. Seth has appeared in many [[books]] and has channeled through many people. I am [[wondering]] if you could comment on Seth as a [[spiritual]] [[creature]] and if there are any others like him that came before you. Perhaps they are [[teachers]]?

Iruka: One of the things that I cannot talk about are happenings or the reality or not the [[reality]] of happenings outside of this mission. I can talk about [[this mission]], but I cannot comment on anything else. I am sorry.

Iruka: One of the things that I cannot talk about are happenings or the reality or not the [[reality]] of happenings outside of this mission. I can talk about [[this mission]], but I cannot comment on anything else. I am sorry.

Iruka: After you [[fuse]] you are no longer a [[material]] [[creature]] so you could not stay here. If you are to become a [[teacher]] or to do whatever [[work]] you have to stay here, you would not [[fuse]].

Iruka: After you [[fuse]] you are no longer a [[material]] [[creature]] so you could not stay here. If you are to become a [[teacher]] or to do whatever [[work]] you have to stay here, you would not [[fuse]].

===='''''[[Healing]]''''', '''''[[Addiction|Fetal Alcohol Syndrome]]'''''====

===='''''[[Healing]]''''', '''''[[Addiction|Fetal Alcohol Syndrome]]'''''====

S1: Iruka, couple of healing questions. One of the reasons why I requested [[healing]] capabilities is because my [[heart]] was moved by some children I know who were [[abused]] and are what we call [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome fetal alcohol syndrome] children. Which is a terrible thing that's happening in our [[society]] when gals are getting [[pregnant]] and just drinking very, very heavily and the children bear this particular illness which makes them very hard to [[control]] and there is also other things related to similar drug [[addictions]]. Will healing, the healing capability that I have asked for be able to help me help these [[children]], will they ever be [[normal]]. Is there anything that can be done for them? Because I am told there is nothing that can be done that we know such as the state of [[medical science]] now. There is nothing that can be done for them, at least that is what I have been told. So is there anything that I could do with healing capability of a [[Life Carrier]].

S1: Iruka, couple of healing questions. One of the reasons why I requested [[healing]] capabilities is because my [[heart]] was moved by some children I know who were [[abused]] and are what we call [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_syndrome fetal alcohol syndrome] children. Which is a terrible thing that's happening in our [[society]] when gals are getting [[pregnant]] and just drinking very, very heavily and the children bear this particular illness which makes them very hard to [[control]] and there is also other things related to similar drug [[addictions]]. Will healing, the healing capability that I have asked for be able to help me help these [[children]], will they ever be [[normal]]. Is there anything that can be done for them? Because I am told there is nothing that can be done that we know such as the state of [[medical science]] now. There is nothing that can be done for them, at least that is what I have been told. So is there anything that I could do with healing capability of a [[Life Carrier]].

Iruka: First of all remember that with [[the Father]], anything is [[possible]]. Do not [[limit]] Him. OK with that said, [[praying]] over these children can certainly improve things. I can see that your [[goal]] is to have them [[absolutely]] healed, absolutely [[perfect]] with no signs of any [[drugs]] or alcohol. That may not happen, it will depend from child to child. Also when you [[pray]] over someone, at any given time, their [[body]] can only absorb so much of the healing [[power]]. So you might consider going back at a later time and praying over them again. And this might be, this would be a growing, a [[gradual]] [[process]]. Everyone is [[different]], depending on the damage, depending on many things, but try, certainly try, do not [[assume]] anything. You might be [[disappointed]], or you might be delighted. You won't always know. So follow your [[instincts]], follow the [[leading]] of your [[Life Carrier]] or your teacher and try. Does this help?

Iruka: First of all remember that with [[the Father]], anything is [[possible]]. Do not [[limit]] Him. OK with that said, [[praying]] over these children can certainly improve things. I can see that your [[goal]] is to have them [[absolutely]] healed, absolutely [[perfect]] with no signs of any [[drugs]] or alcohol. That may not happen, it will depend from child to child. Also when you [[pray]] over someone, at any given time, their [[body]] can only absorb so much of the healing [[power]]. So you might consider going back at a later time and praying over them again. And this might be, this would be a growing, a [[gradual]] [[process]]. Everyone is [[different]], depending on the damage, depending on many things, but try, certainly try, do not [[assume]] anything. You might be [[disappointed]], or you might be delighted. You won't always know. So follow your [[instincts]], follow the [[leading]] of your [[Life Carrier]] or your teacher and try. Does this help?

S1: Yes it does, but one other [[question]], what do you mean by pray over. Is that a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laying_on_of_hands laying on of hands] as I have heard about through other [[ceremonies]] or is it just praying for someone at the location. Could you [[explain]] this a little more.

S1: Yes it does, but one other [[question]], what do you mean by pray over. Is that a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laying_on_of_hands laying on of hands] as I have heard about through other [[ceremonies]] or is it just praying for someone at the location. Could you [[explain]] this a little more.

Iruka: Yes when you [[pray]] for someone, I was referring to [[touching]] them, holding their hands, putting your hands on their shoulders, or on their head. The [[power]] goes through your hands into their [[body]]. Does this [[explain]]? So that's when I referred to the [[body]] can only absorb so much power maybe after 10-15 minutes, and then stop, and then come back at a later time and try again. Yes this is [[physical]], this is putting your hands on them. This is why it takes a while to clear out the [[circuits]] so that the [[power]] can go through with the least amount of [[interference]] as possible. Does this help?

Iruka: Yes when you [[pray]] for someone, I was referring to [[touching]] them, holding their hands, putting your hands on their shoulders, or on their head. The [[power]] goes through your hands into their [[body]]. Does this [[explain]]? So that's when I referred to the [[body]] can only absorb so much power maybe after 10-15 minutes, and then stop, and then come back at a later time and try again. Yes this is [[physical]], this is putting your hands on them. This is why it takes a while to clear out the [[circuits]] so that the [[power]] can go through with the least amount of [[interference]] as possible. Does this help?

S1: Yes, that [[explains]] more. Is this [[action]] localized? For example, the [[children]] that I work with, or that I know, I [[believe]] the damage is done, resides, in their [[brains]] essentially. Through I believe some sort of [[chemical]] imbalance, I'm not an [[expert]]. And so therefore if someone, so in other words make that child a [[candidate]] to have me maybe put my hand on its head. What I am asking is, is the [[healing]] localized in the person where I place the hands. So if I place my hand on his hand, does that mean that this [[effort]] is diminished some because it has to traverse all the way up the arm up to the head. I am trying to [[visualize]] this and am I correct in assuming that it is localized?

S1: Yes, that [[explains]] more. Is this [[action]] localized? For example, the [[children]] that I work with, or that I know, I [[believe]] the damage is done, resides, in their [[brains]] essentially. Through I believe some sort of [[chemical]] imbalance, I'm not an [[expert]]. And so therefore if someone, so in other words make that child a [[candidate]] to have me maybe put my hand on its head. What I am asking is, is the [[healing]] localized in the person where I place the hands. So if I place my hand on his hand, does that mean that this [[effort]] is diminished some because it has to traverse all the way up the arm up to the head. I am trying to [[visualize]] this and am I correct in assuming that it is localized?

Iruka: Somewhat, let me [[explain]]. If you know they have a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumor tumor] in their head, or [[problems]] in their head and they would allow you to put your hands on their head, then do so. But it will still [[heal]] if you simply hold their hands with your hands, or hold their feet. It depends what kind of shape they are in. If the child will let you [[touch]] him, or if he is hyper, or will let you hold his hand, or if he is laying down and you can only hold his feet, it will go through the whole [[body]], the power will get to the [[source]] of the [[problem]]. And actually having this power flood through the whole body makes the whole body feel better. Of course if you have your hand on their head the [[power]] will go down through their body from the head. It is an [[individual]] situation, everyone will be [[different]]. Use your best [[judgement]]. Does this [[explain]]?

Iruka: Somewhat, let me [[explain]]. If you know they have a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumor tumor] in their head, or [[problems]] in their head and they would allow you to put your hands on their head, then do so. But it will still [[heal]] if you simply hold their hands with your hands, or hold their feet. It depends what kind of shape they are in. If the child will let you [[touch]] him, or if he is hyper, or will let you hold his hand, or if he is laying down and you can only hold his feet, it will go through the whole [[body]], the power will get to the [[source]] of the [[problem]]. And actually having this power flood through the whole body makes the whole body feel better. Of course if you have your hand on their head the [[power]] will go down through their body from the head. It is an [[individual]] situation, everyone will be [[different]]. Use your best [[judgement]]. Does this [[explain]]?

S1: Yes it gives me an [[idea]] how to approach it, how to [[visualize]] the [[healing]] [[effect]]. Sort of like a [[wave]] or a wave front something traveling through the [[body]]. One other question, when we [[pray]] for someone, I don't..praying...I'm not sure how I would be able to pray for 15 minutes, would this be over one particular item? I mean I could pray fervently but I don't know if I could pray fervently for 15 minutes over one thing, specifically the [[healing]] of someone. Are there any suggestions you have as how, what format I might go or how I might approach this?

S1: Yes it gives me an [[idea]] how to approach it, how to [[visualize]] the [[healing]] [[effect]]. Sort of like a [[wave]] or a wave front something traveling through the [[body]]. One other question, when we [[pray]] for someone, I don't..praying...I'm not sure how I would be able to pray for 15 minutes, would this be over one particular item? I mean I could pray fervently but I don't know if I could pray fervently for 15 minutes over one thing, specifically the [[healing]] of someone. Are there any suggestions you have as how, what format I might go or how I might approach this?

Iruka: Yes, certainly. Ask the person to get into a [[comfortable]] [[position]]. Whether he is sitting on the floor or on a couch or if he is in bed, if he is lying down in the [[hospital]]. [[Talk]] to him, tell him that you are going to pray over him, you're going to hold his hand, going to hold his feet, whatever you are going to do. Your are going to put your hands on his head. Your actual [[prayer]] need only be a few [[moments]], just ask [[the Father]] to heal this person. To help you [[relax]] and be open, so the [[power]] may [[flow]] through you. Once you are finished, you can speak [[quietly]] with the person, you can lead them through a [[meditation]], a relaxation meditation where when they start [[feeling]] bad they learn to relax and reach for [[the Father]] themselves. The same thing you do when you are in your [[meditation]]. Teach people how they can reach the Father themselves. You can talk [[quietly]], the person can fall asleep. It is not [[necessary]] to [[pray]] for fifteen minutes....or just talking [[quietly]]. Does this help?

Iruka: Yes, certainly. Ask the person to get into a [[comfortable]] [[position]]. Whether he is sitting on the floor or on a couch or if he is in bed, if he is lying down in the [[hospital]]. [[Talk]] to him, tell him that you are going to pray over him, you're going to hold his hand, going to hold his feet, whatever you are going to do. Your are going to put your hands on his head. Your actual [[prayer]] need only be a few [[moments]], just ask [[the Father]] to heal this person. To help you [[relax]] and be open, so the [[power]] may [[flow]] through you. Once you are finished, you can speak [[quietly]] with the person, you can lead them through a [[meditation]], a relaxation meditation where when they start [[feeling]] bad they learn to relax and reach for [[the Father]] themselves. The same thing you do when you are in your [[meditation]]. Teach people how they can reach the Father themselves. You can talk [[quietly]], the person can fall asleep. It is not [[necessary]] to [[pray]] for fifteen minutes....or just talking [[quietly]]. Does this help?

S1: Yes, if I [[understood]] you correctly, part of it is [[praying]] fervently, or praying for them and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laying_on_of_hands laying on of hands] where someone can [[contact]] each other, people can contact one another. And then another aspect of it is helping the person being healed to [[relax]] and to achieve a [[meditative]] state where they can seek [[the Father]] as well and that will help their [[healing]] also.

S1: Yes, if I [[understood]] you correctly, part of it is [[praying]] fervently, or praying for them and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laying_on_of_hands laying on of hands] where someone can [[contact]] each other, people can contact one another. And then another aspect of it is helping the person being healed to [[relax]] and to achieve a [[meditative]] state where they can seek [[the Father]] as well and that will help their [[healing]] also.

Iruka: Yes, now some [[individuals]] will not be open to this, so don't push it. So you might talk with them [[quietly]], but staying still and staying [[relaxed]] will allow the [[power]] to [[flow]]. Does this help?

Iruka: Yes, now some [[individuals]] will not be open to this, so don't push it. So you might talk with them [[quietly]], but staying still and staying [[relaxed]] will allow the [[power]] to [[flow]]. Does this help?

J2: Yes, thank you.

J2: Yes, thank you.

E1: Hi Iruka, in terms of [[healing]] and not to get into P1's [[personal]] life, I [[understand]] she is going for surgery. Why would it not be that you would suggest to her something other than [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery surgery] or is it possible to do that.

E1: Hi Iruka, in terms of [[healing]] and not to get into P1's [[personal]] life, I [[understand]] she is going for surgery. Why would it not be that you would suggest to her something other than [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery surgery] or is it possible to do that.

Iruka: She asked the same [[question]]. Her surgery is more [[mechanical]]. There is no [[disease]] to be healed, things are out of order so to [[speak]]. And your modern [[medicine]] can take care of this just fine. I have no apprehensions about this surgery, it will go fine. If there was [[disease]], then yes. [[Praying]] and laying on hands would be appropriate. Does this help?

Iruka: She asked the same [[question]]. Her surgery is more [[mechanical]]. There is no [[disease]] to be healed, things are out of order so to [[speak]]. And your modern [[medicine]] can take care of this just fine. I have no apprehensions about this surgery, it will go fine. If there was [[disease]], then yes. [[Praying]] and laying on hands would be appropriate. Does this help?

Iruka: This is an area that I am not well versed in. Since Urantia [[doctors]] and [[hospitals]] can take care of this [[problem]], without a lot of trouble that is what we do. This does not answer your [[question]] but I am not sure why there are certain lines drawn where they are.

Iruka: This is an area that I am not well versed in. Since Urantia [[doctors]] and [[hospitals]] can take care of this [[problem]], without a lot of trouble that is what we do. This does not answer your [[question]] but I am not sure why there are certain lines drawn where they are.

E1: So for example, if someone, if Iruka wasn't present and P1 had this condition and she [[prayed]] over it, not allowing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery surgery] to intervene could she be healed?

E1: So for example, if someone, if Iruka wasn't present and P1 had this condition and she [[prayed]] over it, not allowing [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery surgery] to intervene could she be healed?

Iruka: The situation would improve, but things would not go back to where they should be. Does this help?

Iruka: The situation would improve, but things would not go back to where they should be. Does this help?

Iruka: This also of [[course]] is a [[decision]] that P1 made. I don't think that I can give you an adequate answer, I'm sorry.

Iruka: This also of [[course]] is a [[decision]] that P1 made. I don't think that I can give you an adequate answer, I'm sorry.

G3: Iruka, maybe I can ask a question that will help E1's question, if you can...OK this is an [[example]]. So far as [[healing]] is concerned, if someone had a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_tumor brain tumor] that could be operated on as opposed to someone [[praying]] for the brain tumor to be [[dissolved]] or whatever. I would [[assume]] that surgery would probably be a lot faster then and maybe could also help the [[person]] life to..would also help the person to quicker assume their daily [[functions]], through surgery, opposed to the [[fact]] that a person could be prayed for, but the tumor would have to shrink probably and would probably take so long, the person would still be in [[pain]] for so long. I mean [[God]] can or could I'm sure shrink the tumor but is this an [[example]], surgery opposed to someone who should get surgery opposed to someone who should have someone lay hands on them. Is this a good [[example]] of what you are referring to?

G3: Iruka, maybe I can ask a question that will help E1's question, if you can...OK this is an [[example]]. So far as [[healing]] is concerned, if someone had a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_tumor brain tumor] that could be operated on as opposed to someone [[praying]] for the brain tumor to be [[dissolved]] or whatever. I would [[assume]] that surgery would probably be a lot faster then and maybe could also help the [[person]] life to..would also help the person to quicker assume their daily [[functions]], through surgery, opposed to the [[fact]] that a person could be prayed for, but the tumor would have to shrink probably and would probably take so long, the person would still be in [[pain]] for so long. I mean [[God]] can or could I'm sure shrink the tumor but is this an [[example]], surgery opposed to someone who should get surgery opposed to someone who should have someone lay hands on them. Is this a good [[example]] of what you are referring to?

Iruka: Possibly, but in that situation both should be [[considered]] and both done. Some [[diseases]] will be [[healed]] instantly and some are not. There are many [[variables]] that play into this. I would both [[pray]] over that person and schedule [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery surgery]. It just depends on the situation. This is hard, it is a hard [[topic]] and there is no one way to do anything. You have many [[options]], it is difficult.

Iruka: Possibly, but in that situation both should be [[considered]] and both done. Some [[diseases]] will be [[healed]] instantly and some are not. There are many [[variables]] that play into this. I would both [[pray]] over that person and schedule [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery surgery]. It just depends on the situation. This is hard, it is a hard [[topic]] and there is no one way to do anything. You have many [[options]], it is difficult.

G3: OK, by all means I will definitely [[pray]] for the person also. Does the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laying_on_of_hands laying on of hands], if you have the gift of [[healing]] or you have a [[Life Carrier]] who has given you, who is helping you with this, would that also help for someone who had a mental disorder. If you had the gift of healing would that also, could that possibly [[heal]] someone who is mentally unbalanced?

G3: OK, by all means I will definitely [[pray]] for the person also. Does the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laying_on_of_hands laying on of hands], if you have the gift of [[healing]] or you have a [[Life Carrier]] who has given you, who is helping you with this, would that also help for someone who had a mental disorder. If you had the gift of healing would that also, could that possibly [[heal]] someone who is mentally unbalanced?

Iruka: That is always possible. But the [[variables]] that dictate whether someone is actually [[healed]] are many. The person's [[attitude]], and how he [[perceives]] himself and how he perceives himself getting well. This is a question that we still [[struggle]] on this side with. We don't know at this level at all yet, we don't [[understand]] [[everything]], but we do know it is important to try. Does this help, maybe a little?

Iruka: That is always possible. But the [[variables]] that dictate whether someone is actually [[healed]] are many. The person's [[attitude]], and how he [[perceives]] himself and how he perceives himself getting well. This is a question that we still [[struggle]] on this side with. We don't know at this level at all yet, we don't [[understand]] [[everything]], but we do know it is important to try. Does this help, maybe a little?

G3: Yes, this helps a lot, especially when you were [[explaining]] earlier about, or just now, that [[different]] people respond differently to [[prayer]] because I have many times prayed for my [[father]] who has been in many...he seems to get himself into one bad situation after the other..and he has been in the [[hospital]] I don't know how many times. A lot of times, when he was in the hospital he was in there for serious, very serious things, and each time he would request that I would [[pray]] for him. And in some cases, almost [[immediately]] he was [[healed]] like the next day maybe he would be released from the hospital and he would go [[home]] and at other times when he was recently hospitalized for a severe car crash and he suffered internal injuries, [[brain]] damage, he was also [[miraculously]] recovered. I know other people have been [[praying]] for him too but for some reason I felt when I laid my hands on him and prayed...after about, I did pray over, and over, and over whether this one particular time, I [[prayed]] maybe I don't know how many times, every other day or every day I would go to the [[hospital]] and lay on hands on him and pray for him. His [[injuries]] were medically, the [[doctors]] said he may...he could have died and he may not ever recover. Right now mentally he is almost 85% back to where he was before the [[accident]], and he is steadily recovering and [[physically]] he is 95% back to where he was before the accident. On the other hand I [[pray]] for my mother's eyesight where she has [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes diabetes] and her eyesight has been affected. I see an improvement in her but it is so minimal till I can't...you know . .the two people, I would [[expect]] her to be [[healed]] quicker than my father because she [[believes]] so strongly in the [[power]] of [[God]] but I have only prayed for her once or twice whereas I prayed for my father many, many times so maybe that also has to do with why she is not completely [[healed]] or her eyesight is not better than it is. I don't know, if that is a comment or a [[question]]. But that is what I wanted to say about that, if you wanted to comment on that feel free.

G3: Yes, this helps a lot, especially when you were [[explaining]] earlier about, or just now, that [[different]] people respond differently to [[prayer]] because I have many times prayed for my [[father]] who has been in many...he seems to get himself into one bad situation after the other..and he has been in the [[hospital]] I don't know how many times. A lot of times, when he was in the hospital he was in there for serious, very serious things, and each time he would request that I would [[pray]] for him. And in some cases, almost [[immediately]] he was [[healed]] like the next day maybe he would be released from the hospital and he would go [[home]] and at other times when he was recently hospitalized for a severe car crash and he suffered internal injuries, [[brain]] damage, he was also [[miraculously]] recovered. I know other people have been [[praying]] for him too but for some reason I felt when I laid my hands on him and prayed...after about, I did pray over, and over, and over whether this one particular time, I [[prayed]] maybe I don't know how many times, every other day or every day I would go to the [[hospital]] and lay on hands on him and pray for him. His [[injuries]] were medically, the [[doctors]] said he may...he could have died and he may not ever recover. Right now mentally he is almost 85% back to where he was before the [[accident]], and he is steadily recovering and [[physically]] he is 95% back to where he was before the accident. On the other hand I [[pray]] for my mother's eyesight where she has [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes diabetes] and her eyesight has been affected. I see an improvement in her but it is so minimal till I can't...you know . .the two people, I would [[expect]] her to be [[healed]] quicker than my father because she [[believes]] so strongly in the [[power]] of [[God]] but I have only prayed for her once or twice whereas I prayed for my father many, many times so maybe that also has to do with why she is not completely [[healed]] or her eyesight is not better than it is. I don't know, if that is a comment or a [[question]]. But that is what I wanted to say about that, if you wanted to comment on that feel free.

Iruka: Thank you for [[sharing]] and that really indicates how all the [[variables]] can work. That is a very good [[example]], thank you.

Iruka: Thank you for [[sharing]] and that really indicates how all the [[variables]] can work. That is a very good [[example]], thank you.

Iruka: Good question, you take the [[necessary]] precautions even though you are [[exposed]] to [[healing]] [[power]] more than the [[average]] [[person]]. But you be just as careful as you would at any other time for the various [[diseases]]. If you had to wear a mask for instance to walk into a certain ward a certain place you could catch something through the [[air]], wear the mask. [[Proceed]] as if you could get those [[diseases]]. That is...use precautions because if you are not [[careful]] and you could contract them, there would be [[healing]] power available to you, but why go through all that [[pain]]. Why knock yourself out of commission when you are [[supposed]] to be the one that is passing along the [[power]] to others. So that is a good [[question]]. You take very good care of yourself in that respect. Be very cautions and do whatever it takes to [[protect]] yourself.

Iruka: Good question, you take the [[necessary]] precautions even though you are [[exposed]] to [[healing]] [[power]] more than the [[average]] [[person]]. But you be just as careful as you would at any other time for the various [[diseases]]. If you had to wear a mask for instance to walk into a certain ward a certain place you could catch something through the [[air]], wear the mask. [[Proceed]] as if you could get those [[diseases]]. That is...use precautions because if you are not [[careful]] and you could contract them, there would be [[healing]] power available to you, but why go through all that [[pain]]. Why knock yourself out of commission when you are [[supposed]] to be the one that is passing along the [[power]] to others. So that is a good [[question]]. You take very good care of yourself in that respect. Be very cautions and do whatever it takes to [[protect]] yourself.

S1: That [[clears]] up some things. Can you tell if anyone of us are like ill or sick or coming down with a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold cold]. Can you see, or do you have [[angels]] or entities here that can tell if one of us is coming down with something?

S1: That [[clears]] up some things. Can you tell if anyone of us are like ill or sick or coming down with a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold cold]. Can you see, or do you have [[angels]] or entities here that can tell if one of us is coming down with something?

Iruka: Not usually. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microorganism Germs], [[viruses]], are very small and while my [[vision]] is much more than yours, I still cannot see little viruses or germs. I cannot detect [[cells]] that are wrong, that are growing wrong. Does this help?

Iruka: Not usually. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microorganism Germs], [[viruses]], are very small and while my [[vision]] is much more than yours, I still cannot see little viruses or germs. I cannot detect [[cells]] that are wrong, that are growing wrong. Does this help?

S1: Yes, I [[understand]]. I just felt a little [[strange]] this past couple of days, like I may have been sliding into a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold cold] and maybe I shouldn't, I just [[realized]] I shouldn't be sitting next to G3 who is with child. Obviously you couldn't tell me whether that was a real threat right now could you?

S1: Yes, I [[understand]]. I just felt a little [[strange]] this past couple of days, like I may have been sliding into a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold cold] and maybe I shouldn't, I just [[realized]] I shouldn't be sitting next to G3 who is with child. Obviously you couldn't tell me whether that was a real threat right now could you?

Iruka: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold Cold] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microorganism germs] are usually always in the [[air]]. And when your system is down, is not well [[protected]] you are susceptible. But to [[worry]] that you are sitting next to someone who could get that from you, when she could pick it up from anywhere, that should not be a concern in that way. Do you [[understand]]? But you need to take better [[care]] of yourself and get more [[sleep]].

Iruka: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold Cold] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microorganism germs] are usually always in the [[air]]. And when your system is down, is not well [[protected]] you are susceptible. But to [[worry]] that you are sitting next to someone who could get that from you, when she could pick it up from anywhere, that should not be a concern in that way. Do you [[understand]]? But you need to take better [[care]] of yourself and get more [[sleep]].

If there are no more [[questions]] for this evening, I will close. One more? OK.

If there are no more [[questions]] for this evening, I will close. One more? OK.

===Closing===

===Closing===

If there are no more questions, we will close for today. I enjoy these times when we get together, I look forward to them and I will miss you. You have a good week and show love to everyone you can. Good Evening.

If there are no more [[questions]], we will close for today. I enjoy these times when we get [[together]], I look forward to them and I will miss you. You have a good week and show [[love]] to everyone you can. Good Evening.

Group: Good Evening.

Group: Good Evening.

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