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Through the understanding that [[forgiveness]] is [[necessary]] a first step has been made. Going into [[stillness]], asking for help and [[guidance]] in this matter, reinforces the [[individual]] so that further steps may be taken in forgiving: [[understanding]] the [[motivation]] and working through the [[anger]], the hostility, working through the [[pain]] and hurt that is inflicted and felt, working through one's own [[fear]] and vulnerability, working through one's own inability to let go. In some instances the act of [[forgiveness]] must go through many phases, many [[stages]]. Other times the act of forgiveness can be almost [[spontaneous]] and readily able to be given. Does this further your [[understanding]] of forgiveness?  

Through the understanding that [[forgiveness]] is [[necessary]] a first step has been made. Going into [[stillness]], asking for help and [[guidance]] in this matter, reinforces the [[individual]] so that further steps may be taken in forgiving: [[understanding]] the [[motivation]] and working through the [[anger]], the hostility, working through the [[pain]] and hurt that is inflicted and felt, working through one's own [[fear]] and vulnerability, working through one's own inability to let go. In some instances the act of [[forgiveness]] must go through many phases, many [[stages]]. Other times the act of forgiveness can be almost [[spontaneous]] and readily able to be given. Does this further your [[understanding]] of forgiveness?  

===='''''[[Judgment]]'''''====

===='''''[[Judgment]]'''''====

Isaac:  Yes, I certainly [[agree]] with all you have said. I was thinking of an [[example]] of one of the points I was interested in. And the example is a person named Virginia Satir who is no longer on a [[mortal]] plane but was a great [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_worker social worker] and well known in her field. She gave a workshop at ISU that I attended and said that in order for someone to do [[counseling]] with somebody else you had to be able to [[understand]] how that person could do whatever it was that required the counseling. She said the most [[difficult]] client she ever had was a woman who had taken her [[infant]] baby and put her in a furnace to be consumed. She said before she could [[counsel]] that woman she had to come to the place where she could [[understand]] that she, Virginia Satir, could have done such a thing. And when she related this at the time it was pretty impressive and moving.  

Isaac:  Yes, I certainly [[agree]] with all you have said. I was thinking of an [[example]] of one of the points I was interested in. And the example is a person named Virginia Satir who is no longer on a [[mortal]] plane but was a great [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_worker social worker] and well known in her field. She gave a workshop at ISU that I attended and said that in order for someone to do [[counseling]] with somebody else you had to be able to [[understand]] how that person could do whatever it was that required the counseling. She said the most [[difficult]] client she ever had was a woman who had taken her [[infant]] baby and put her in a furnace to be consumed. She said before she could [[counsel]] that woman she had to come to the place where she could [[understand]] that she, Virginia Satir, could have done such a thing. And when she related this at the time it was pretty impressive and moving.  

I am [[assuming]] that when she said she could do counseling she meant she could be in a state of [[forgiveness]] toward this woman in regards to this [[act]]. And that was part of what I was [[thinking]] about.  

I am [[assuming]] that when she said she could do counseling she meant she could be in a state of [[forgiveness]] toward this woman in regards to this [[act]]. And that was part of what I was [[thinking]] about.  

Isaac:  Yes.  

Isaac:  Yes.  

TOMAS:  Let me jump in and say that you have spoken of [[atrocities]] and these have great [[dynamics]]. And yet in the realm of [[forgiveness]] perhaps the greater [[danger]] lies in those simple human instances of being unforgiving of general mortality, regular human [[frailties]] and even those things about which no one can do anything. How deep is your sense of outrage at someone who is [[poor]] or [[ugly]] or [[rich]] or [[fat]] or etc.? These [[simple]] things comprise a huge cloud of [[darkness]] on [[Urantia]]. The atrocities of [[alienation]] are real in everyone's lives. The [[ignorant]] and deformed and lost, and those of [[other]] [[races]], other [[genders]], other [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation sexual orientation]s, other [[nationalities]] are all [[human being]]s, all part of your [[family]]. And how great is the realm of unforgiving of your own fellows! This is so acceptable in so much of your [[society]] that it is glossed over and condoned. But this unbending, unyielding, unloving [[attitude]] of one human toward another is unacceptable for [[progress]] and [[Light and Life]].

TOMAS:  Let me jump in and say that you have spoken of [[atrocities]] and these have great [[dynamics]]. And yet in the realm of [[forgiveness]] perhaps the greater [[danger]] lies in those simple human instances of being unforgiving of general mortality, regular human [[frailties]] and even those things about which no one can do anything. How deep is your sense of outrage at someone who is [[poor]] or [[ugly]] or [[rich]] or [[fat]] or etc.? These [[simple]] things comprise a huge cloud of [[darkness]] on [[Urantia]]. The atrocities of [[alienation]] are real in everyone's lives. The [[ignorant]] and deformed and lost, and those of [[other]] [[races]], other [[genders]], other [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation sexual orientation]s, other [[nationalities]] are all [[human being]]s, all part of your [[family]]. And how great is the realm of unforgiving of your own fellows! This is so acceptable in so much of your [[society]] that it is glossed over and condoned. But this unbending, unyielding, unloving [[attitude]] of one human toward another is unacceptable for [[progress]] and [[Light and Life]].

So although the most obvious areas of [[forgiveness]] are usually the more dramatic, bear in mind the full [[spectrum]] of [[forgiveness]]. For the [[simple]] elements of your [[relationship]] with your neighbors and their dog is what creates [[Paradise]] here in [[time and space]]. Thank you.  

So although the most obvious areas of [[forgiveness]] are usually the more dramatic, bear in mind the full [[spectrum]] of [[forgiveness]]. For the [[simple]] elements of your [[relationship]] with your neighbors and their dog is what creates [[Paradise]] here in [[time and space]]. Thank you.  

DANIEL:  Indeed many of the [[offenses]] inflicted upon a person are of a [[physical]] [[nature]]. And these offenses are a violation to the total integrated mortal. And those things which are felt in the [[body]] are likewise recorded in the [[subconscious]]. Therefore forgiveness in [[completion]] must [[encompass]] the body's willingness to desensitize and allow [[forgiveness]] so that in that healing there is also [[healing]] within the subconscious and vice versa. The mortal being is capable of great feats and great [[defeats]]. As Tomas has stated earlier, do not be [[fooled]] by the [[intellect]] regarding forgiveness. Realize there are other things besides the intellect involved in forgiving.  

DANIEL:  Indeed many of the [[offenses]] inflicted upon a person are of a [[physical]] [[nature]]. And these offenses are a violation to the total integrated mortal. And those things which are felt in the [[body]] are likewise recorded in the [[subconscious]]. Therefore forgiveness in [[completion]] must [[encompass]] the body's willingness to desensitize and allow [[forgiveness]] so that in that healing there is also [[healing]] within the subconscious and vice versa. The mortal being is capable of great feats and great [[defeats]]. As Tomas has stated earlier, do not be [[fooled]] by the [[intellect]] regarding forgiveness. Realize there are other things besides the intellect involved in forgiving.  

PamElla:  Thank you, Daniel. I am [[thinking]] about how one goes about this. As I have been thinking about it these thoughts have occurred to me: that one [[forgives]] emotionally by allowing oneself to [[experience]] the [[feelings]] and then let them go; that one forgives intellectually by coming into [[understanding]] as Isaac pointed out; I'm not really sure how one forgives [[spiritually]], I think that occurs by turning over one's willingness and sitting in [[the quiet]]; but I am not sure about how one goes about forgiving [[physically]] other than, perhaps, such [[techniques]] as Luke has been working with me which are '[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniosacral_therapy cranials]'. Is my [[understanding]] of these approaches to [[forgiveness]] at all valid? Or am I way off base?  

PamElla:  Thank you, Daniel. I am [[thinking]] about how one goes about this. As I have been thinking about it these thoughts have occurred to me: that one [[forgives]] emotionally by allowing oneself to [[experience]] the [[feelings]] and then let them go; that one forgives intellectually by coming into [[understanding]] as Isaac pointed out; I'm not really sure how one forgives [[spiritually]], I think that occurs by turning over one's willingness and sitting in [[the quiet]]; but I am not sure about how one goes about forgiving [[physically]] other than, perhaps, such [[techniques]] as Luke has been working with me which are '[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniosacral_therapy cranials]'. Is my [[understanding]] of these approaches to [[forgiveness]] at all valid? Or am I way off base?  

DANIEL:  Most certainly have you, in your [[logical]] and [[understanding]] mind, categorized these very neatly into packages. And the aspect of [[healing]] physically can come about through that of which you speak: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniosacral_therapy cranials]. However one must realize not all people are afforded such [[luxury]]! Therefore there are other ways of [[healing]] [[physically]].  

DANIEL:  Most certainly have you, in your [[logical]] and [[understanding]] mind, categorized these very neatly into packages. And the aspect of [[healing]] physically can come about through that of which you speak: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniosacral_therapy cranials]. However one must realize not all people are afforded such [[luxury]]! Therefore there are other ways of [[healing]] [[physically]].  

First and foremost is through the other areas that we have spoken of. In these areas coming to completion is there fed through the [[electro-chemical]] mechanism of the [[body]] a freeing [[feeling]] that encourages and affords the body the ability to release and let go. It is very much tied in with the [[emotions]], with the ability to release [[anger]] and hostility, to the ability to not be fearful or [[vulnerable]], and, of course, through the ability of [[understanding]]. In this area one can visualize and speak to the [[body]] about [[healing]], about forgiving and letting go. In the [[majority]] of cases of forgiving, however, the body has not been so wounded. And so it remains intact and part of the [[integration]] of the whole. Does this help?  

First and foremost is through the other areas that we have spoken of. In these areas coming to completion is there fed through the [[electro-chemical]] mechanism of the [[body]] a freeing [[feeling]] that encourages and affords the body the ability to release and let go. It is very much tied in with the [[emotions]], with the ability to release [[anger]] and hostility, to the ability to not be fearful or [[vulnerable]], and, of course, through the ability of [[understanding]]. In this area one can visualize and speak to the [[body]] about [[healing]], about forgiving and letting go. In the [[majority]] of cases of forgiving, however, the body has not been so wounded. And so it remains intact and part of the [[integration]] of the whole. Does this help?  

TOMAS:  I have no objection either except for the [[fact]] that Daniel spoke more than I did!! (chuckling) Even so I am pleased to be part of this marvelous [[process]] and in [[fact]] this gives me an [[opportunity]] to add my two cents which has to do with [[humility]], for forgiveness requires humility. And from this [[process]] of forgiving through humility you gain [[strength]] of [[character]]. And it is with a certain amount of strength of character that I allow a witticism now and then. So, certainly, plant the [[seeds]]; spread the gospel of Michael.

TOMAS:  I have no objection either except for the [[fact]] that Daniel spoke more than I did!! (chuckling) Even so I am pleased to be part of this marvelous [[process]] and in [[fact]] this gives me an [[opportunity]] to add my two cents which has to do with [[humility]], for forgiveness requires humility. And from this [[process]] of forgiving through humility you gain [[strength]] of [[character]]. And it is with a certain amount of strength of character that I allow a witticism now and then. So, certainly, plant the [[seeds]]; spread the gospel of Michael.

===Closing===

===Closing===

DANIEL:  It has been a long evening and with [http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/tongue-in-cheek.html tongue in cheek], again, I will allow Tomas to close this meeting.  

DANIEL:  It has been a long evening and with [https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/tongue-in-cheek.html tongue in cheek], again, I will allow Tomas to close this meeting.  

TOMAS:  My [[gracious]] friends, it is an [[honor]], as always, to be one with you and to [[investigate]] the realms of [[growth]] in the deep [[mind]]. We are all so pleased with the entire [[process]] which is evolving and [[unfolding]]. [[Trust]] our affirmation that the spiritual [[circuitry]] is abounding far and near. Your [[efforts]] are all recorded on high and are a [[testimony]] to your own developing [[souls]]. I humbly bid you farewell.  

TOMAS:  My [[gracious]] friends, it is an [[honor]], as always, to be one with you and to [[investigate]] the realms of [[growth]] in the deep [[mind]]. We are all so pleased with the entire [[process]] which is evolving and [[unfolding]]. [[Trust]] our affirmation that the spiritual [[circuitry]] is abounding far and near. Your [[efforts]] are all recorded on high and are a [[testimony]] to your own developing [[souls]]. I humbly bid you farewell.