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Isaac: Good evening, Daniel, this is Isaac.  This is a very pertinent [[topic]] to me, not only as an [[individual]] but as a [[psychologist]] working with other people.  It brings up a point that I wanted to [[discuss]] with you in the [[past]], and that is this.  It appears to me that you and all of [[the teachers]] in the [[Teaching Mission]] are now employing what our recent [[psychology]] has discovered which is that feelings are tied to [[belief]] systems and [[interpretations]] that intervene between an [[event]] and a resultant [[feeling]].

Isaac: Good evening, Daniel, this is Isaac.  This is a very pertinent [[topic]] to me, not only as an [[individual]] but as a [[psychologist]] working with other people.  It brings up a point that I wanted to [[discuss]] with you in the [[past]], and that is this.  It appears to me that you and all of [[the teachers]] in the [[Teaching Mission]] are now employing what our recent [[psychology]] has discovered which is that feelings are tied to [[belief]] systems and [[interpretations]] that intervene between an [[event]] and a resultant [[feeling]].

For example, two boys could be on a baseball team.  The game is rained out on Saturday.  One boy is [[depressed]] because he was the pitcher and planned on winning the [[game]].  The other boy is [[happy]] because he is the left fielder and he is a klutz.  He is always [[afraid]] to play because of his clumsiness.  The rain ending the game results in two different [[feelings]] of these two different [[individuals]] because of what they [[interpret]] the game ceasing means for them personally.  Your emphasis in the [[past]], and all of you teachers, about reinterpreting the [[meaning]] of [[events]] to see from a broader [[perspective]], etc., is the same concept as our most up to date psychologists [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_emotive_behavior_therapy rational/emotive theory].  Maybe I am wrong in [[interpreting]] your 'stuff' this way but I think I am right.  I [[thought]] I would bring it to the surface here and see if you wanted to comment on it.

For example, two boys could be on a baseball team.  The game is rained out on Saturday.  One boy is [[depressed]] because he was the pitcher and planned on winning the [[game]].  The other boy is [[happy]] because he is the left fielder and he is a klutz.  He is always [[afraid]] to play because of his clumsiness.  The rain ending the game results in two different [[feelings]] of these two different [[individuals]] because of what they [[interpret]] the game ceasing means for them personally.  Your emphasis in the [[past]], and all of you teachers, about reinterpreting the [[meaning]] of [[events]] to see from a broader [[perspective]], etc., is the same concept as our most up to date psychologists [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_emotive_behavior_therapy rational/emotive theory].  Maybe I am wrong in [[interpreting]] your 'stuff' this way but I think I am right.  I [[thought]] I would bring it to the surface here and see if you wanted to comment on it.

DANIEL:  Indeed is the level of [[understanding]] among psychologists stepping into higher realms.  I would ask you to see from this [[perspective]] as well.

DANIEL:  Indeed is the level of [[understanding]] among psychologists stepping into higher realms.  I would ask you to see from this [[perspective]] as well.

ISAAC: Well certainly you have illustrated what I think I was saying, that in the case of God, if your [[interpretation]] of [[God]] is that He is outside of you, as you said, that will lead to a very different [[conclusion]] about yourself and what happens to you in your life than if you believe God is within you as the [[Thought Adjuster]].  I wasn't particularly thinking of [[belief]] in a religious sense.  I used that term more as an [[interpretive]] explanation of what happens.  But your point about God and how a person understands God makes a tremendous difference is right.   

ISAAC: Well certainly you have illustrated what I think I was saying, that in the case of God, if your [[interpretation]] of [[God]] is that He is outside of you, as you said, that will lead to a very different [[conclusion]] about yourself and what happens to you in your life than if you believe God is within you as the [[Thought Adjuster]].  I wasn't particularly thinking of [[belief]] in a religious sense.  I used that term more as an [[interpretive]] explanation of what happens.  But your point about God and how a person understands God makes a tremendous difference is right.   

What I was trying to ask you Daniel was...and I didn't explain what [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_emotive_behavior_therapy rational/emotive psychology] is.  I didn't want to get us off on that.  It is just a little bit different.  The old psychology was that a [[stimulus]] caused a [[response]], a [[mechanistic]] thing.  The reason that everybody is depressed is because it is raining and the ballgame is ruined.  But the new psychology says that the reason people are depressed is because of the [[meaning]] of that rain, how it stops the [[game]] and how that is a big [[disappointment]] to some people whereas to the boy I described it's a relief because he doesn't have to play the game which he is [[frightened]] to do.  So the same [[event]] can result in different feelings in different people, or different feelings in the same person at different times depending on what they think that event means.  I am not sure that I communicated that clearly to you.   

What I was trying to ask you Daniel was...and I didn't explain what [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_emotive_behavior_therapy rational/emotive psychology] is.  I didn't want to get us off on that.  It is just a little bit different.  The old psychology was that a [[stimulus]] caused a [[response]], a [[mechanistic]] thing.  The reason that everybody is depressed is because it is raining and the ballgame is ruined.  But the new psychology says that the reason people are depressed is because of the [[meaning]] of that rain, how it stops the [[game]] and how that is a big [[disappointment]] to some people whereas to the boy I described it's a relief because he doesn't have to play the game which he is [[frightened]] to do.  So the same [[event]] can result in different feelings in different people, or different feelings in the same person at different times depending on what they think that event means.  I am not sure that I communicated that clearly to you.   

It seems to me that is what you teachers are doing.  You are helping us to [[change]] our [[beliefs]] about first of all ourselves, as you said, and who we are as children of God with an [[Indwelling Presence]] of the [[First Source and Center]], and that everyone else does too.  And by changing the way we see ourselves and the way we see other people, the way we see [[life]], so that all of this is broadening our [[perspective]] and changes the way we feel from what it was before when we had a different perspective.

It seems to me that is what you teachers are doing.  You are helping us to [[change]] our [[beliefs]] about first of all ourselves, as you said, and who we are as children of God with an [[Indwelling Presence]] of the [[First Source and Center]], and that everyone else does too.  And by changing the way we see ourselves and the way we see other people, the way we see [[life]], so that all of this is broadening our [[perspective]] and changes the way we feel from what it was before when we had a different perspective.

DANIEL: Hello, Luke.

DANIEL: Hello, Luke.

Luke: [[Attitude]] and [[emotion]] is usually a very heavy subject for every one of us because if someone is pressing the button you usually go off.  What I have tried to do, as a suggestion, is that if somebody does press the button to sit back and don't let the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_pressure blood pressure] rise on you.  And if [[necessary]] take a script that you really like, [[read]] on it, and then pray for the person or for the IRS.  And eventually your blood pressure will come down.  I have had very good success.  I think that is the message you would like to bring across.  Would you comment please?

Luke: [[Attitude]] and [[emotion]] is usually a very heavy subject for every one of us because if someone is pressing the button you usually go off.  What I have tried to do, as a suggestion, is that if somebody does press the button to sit back and don't let the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_pressure blood pressure] rise on you.  And if [[necessary]] take a script that you really like, [[read]] on it, and then pray for the person or for the IRS.  And eventually your blood pressure will come down.  I have had very good success.  I think that is the message you would like to bring across.  Would you comment please?

DANIEL:  Indeed your age long saying on [[this planet]] to count to ten has much truth in it!  It is always advisable for one to have a cooling down time if [[emotions]] become so [[dominant]] that [[wise]] and [[clear]] [[thinking]] are not available to the [[individual]].  It is always good advice to solicit the powers to be, as you would say, in helping to come to terms with a situation or an [[event]], not only in your own person, but for others.  Indeed [[prayer]] is [[healthy]] from the [[standpoint]] that it helps you to become more [[focused]] and it helps you to actually clarify parts of what is emitting this [[emotion]].  It helps you to come to terms with what really needs to be done; not that the other person needs to change or that you do not like that [[policy]]; but what is it about this policy that is bothering you.  What is it that violates your emotions?  Is it something that you need to [[change]] within you; or is it a policy of great [[social consciousness]] that needs to be changed through societal means?  This has been an example to extend upon your point, Luke.  Indeed, those who deal in areas of [[negotiation]] realize that there is a [[necessity]] to have a cooling down time so that the hostilities, [[anger]] and bitter feelings can be resolved.  The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenaline adrenaline] attack can be smoothed out and then there is the ability to [[think]], reason, [[process]] and the ability to intuit.  Do not forget this aspect of [[being]] is very important in negotiating.  To intuit, to have [[knowledge]] that comes from not always [[logic]] and that sort of reasoning but from a deeper sense of what is right. Thank you Lothar, for your comments.

DANIEL:  Indeed your age long saying on [[this planet]] to count to ten has much truth in it!  It is always advisable for one to have a cooling down time if [[emotions]] become so [[dominant]] that [[wise]] and [[clear]] [[thinking]] are not available to the [[individual]].  It is always good advice to solicit the powers to be, as you would say, in helping to come to terms with a situation or an [[event]], not only in your own person, but for others.  Indeed [[prayer]] is [[healthy]] from the [[standpoint]] that it helps you to become more [[focused]] and it helps you to actually clarify parts of what is emitting this [[emotion]].  It helps you to come to terms with what really needs to be done; not that the other person needs to change or that you do not like that [[policy]]; but what is it about this policy that is bothering you.  What is it that violates your emotions?  Is it something that you need to [[change]] within you; or is it a policy of great [[social consciousness]] that needs to be changed through societal means?  This has been an example to extend upon your point, Luke.  Indeed, those who deal in areas of [[negotiation]] realize that there is a [[necessity]] to have a cooling down time so that the hostilities, [[anger]] and bitter feelings can be resolved.  The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenaline adrenaline] attack can be smoothed out and then there is the ability to [[think]], reason, [[process]] and the ability to intuit.  Do not forget this aspect of [[being]] is very important in negotiating.  To intuit, to have [[knowledge]] that comes from not always [[logic]] and that sort of reasoning but from a deeper sense of what is right. Thank you Lothar, for your comments.

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Leetah: Good evening, Daniel.  Your comments about '[[victim]]' brought to [[mind]] the [[training]] we give our [[children]] and one another with giving someone else the [[responsibility]] and the blame for how we respond emotionally.  I can't help but think of a very heavy [[discussion]] that Bill and I had many years ago.  For the first time I realized that no one else can make me [[angry]], no one else can make me mad, but actually I [[choose]] to do that.  And so often now I find myself biting my tongue because I will start to say, 'That made me so mad' or 'He made me so mad' or 'They made me mad'.  I find myself having to say, 'I choose to be angry in this situation'.  I think that our [[culture]] maybe is [[waking]] up but it is a real disservice to our children to have that modeled by us adults.

Leetah: Good evening, Daniel.  Your comments about '[[victim]]' brought to [[mind]] the [[training]] we give our [[children]] and one another with giving someone else the [[responsibility]] and the blame for how we respond emotionally.  I can't help but think of a very heavy [[discussion]] that Bill and I had many years ago.  For the first time I realized that no one else can make me [[angry]], no one else can make me mad, but actually I [[choose]] to do that.  And so often now I find myself biting my tongue because I will start to say, 'That made me so mad' or 'He made me so mad' or 'They made me mad'.  I find myself having to say, 'I choose to be angry in this situation'.  I think that our [[culture]] maybe is [[waking]] up but it is a real disservice to our children to have that modeled by us adults.

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