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DANIEL: Yes, Isaac, thank you for your comments. Indeed, do the misunderstanding and the [[purposeful]] disregard of limits lead to disaster and [[default]] in global terms. And, yes, as one looks at their own lives, I think you will discover these same [[patterns]] of disaster and default when you or others have disregarded limits or have not [[respected]] or even been [[aware]] of the limits of others. Yes. And such is also true of the reverse; to impose limits where they do not exist also leads to disaster and default.  

DANIEL: Yes, Isaac, thank you for your comments. Indeed, do the misunderstanding and the [[purposeful]] disregard of limits lead to disaster and [[default]] in global terms. And, yes, as one looks at their own lives, I think you will discover these same [[patterns]] of disaster and default when you or others have disregarded limits or have not [[respected]] or even been [[aware]] of the limits of others. Yes. And such is also true of the reverse; to impose limits where they do not exist also leads to disaster and default.  

In addressing this question of which limits are [[self]] imposed and which limits are real, I suggest that you personally spend time in [[the silence]]; in addition, realize that this is not an easy [[answer]], for in the realms of [[science]] and [[metaphysics]] even now are such issues being addressed.  Much that science deemed to be real limits, [[metaphysics]] is discovering are not true limits. Take for example the work of Native America [[shamans]] and eastern [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogis yogis]. They perform many feats that are considered by science to be impossible from science's view of [[limits]]. What I would suggest to you, however, is that indeed there are limits set by [[material]] law. As [[science]] and [[metaphysics]] come together you will have greater [[understanding]] of what those true limits are. But from that side of knowing where true limits exist, I would suggest you begin with the notion that you are [[mortal]] beings, that you are [[infants]] in the entirety of time; and that you consider what it means to be a mortal being when you look for your limits.

In addressing this question of which limits are [[self]] imposed and which limits are real, I suggest that you personally spend time in [[the silence]]; in addition, realize that this is not an easy [[answer]], for in the realms of [[science]] and [[metaphysics]] even now are such issues being addressed.  Much that science deemed to be real limits, [[metaphysics]] is discovering are not true limits. Take for example the work of Native America [[shamans]] and eastern [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogis yogis]. They perform many feats that are considered by science to be impossible from science's view of [[limits]]. What I would suggest to you, however, is that indeed there are limits set by [[material]] law. As [[science]] and [[metaphysics]] come together you will have greater [[understanding]] of what those true limits are. But from that side of knowing where true limits exist, I would suggest you begin with the notion that you are [[mortal]] beings, that you are [[infants]] in the entirety of time; and that you consider what it means to be a mortal being when you look for your limits.

On the other side I would suggest that you [[examine]] your [[belief]] structures whenever you find yourselves feeling discouraged, negative, despairing, and etc., and see if it is not, in [[fact]], a belief that is limiting you and not a [[material]] [[law]]. My friends, as you undertake this examination I suspect that you will begin to [[understand]] that many limits are [[self]] imposed; and by examining the other side you will understand more what it means to be mortal beings, to be material and [[divine]].  Isaac, does help in any way?

On the other side I would suggest that you [[examine]] your [[belief]] structures whenever you find yourselves feeling discouraged, negative, despairing, and etc., and see if it is not, in [[fact]], a belief that is limiting you and not a [[material]] [[law]]. My friends, as you undertake this examination I suspect that you will begin to [[understand]] that many limits are [[self]] imposed; and by examining the other side you will understand more what it means to be mortal beings, to be material and [[divine]].  Isaac, does help in any way?

TOMAS:  I would ask you all a question. In considering [[limits]], consider whether or not you regard limitation itself as [[negative]] or [[positive]]. Your [[discourse]] earlier indicated a general not being inclined to talk often with your teachers. On the other hand there were remarks about a human mortal doing deeds based on motives and intent. Now let me ask you -- to what extent do you [[feel]] that the effects of the [[Lucifer Rebellion]] are still influencing your own [[appreciation]] of your [[limitations]]? If, in fact, [[Lucifer manifesto|the Manifesto]] spoke of unbridled [[liberty]] then with good [[intentions]] and well rationalized [[motives]] it would seem that liberty can continue indefinitely unless restriction / limitation is placed upon some aspects of your [[thinking]] processes and subsequent [[behaviors]].

TOMAS:  I would ask you all a question. In considering [[limits]], consider whether or not you regard limitation itself as [[negative]] or [[positive]]. Your [[discourse]] earlier indicated a general not being inclined to talk often with your teachers. On the other hand there were remarks about a human mortal doing deeds based on motives and intent. Now let me ask you -- to what extent do you [[feel]] that the effects of the [[Lucifer Rebellion]] are still influencing your own [[appreciation]] of your [[limitations]]? If, in fact, [[Lucifer manifesto|the Manifesto]] spoke of unbridled [[liberty]] then with good [[intentions]] and well rationalized [[motives]] it would seem that liberty can continue indefinitely unless restriction / limitation is placed upon some aspects of your [[thinking]] processes and subsequent [[behaviors]].

Rutha: Thank you, Tomas. What the lesson was on tonight was quite, appropriate for me for what I had been [[thinking]] about the last couple of days is in regard to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II the Pope] coming out with his encyclical on [[abortion]] and [[euthanasia]] and all of those kinds of [[moral]] issues. This is exactly what you are saying. He is placing [[limitations]]. But I guess what I found myself [doing was] going back and [[feeling]] very [[guilty]], the Catholic religion being my history. I really feel deeply about certain issues but I really feel that people do need pro-choice in all areas.  And it really upset me that he came out this week so against all of these things with so many [[tragedies]] occurring across the globe with [[children]] who are not being taken care of and for him to sit there-- Well, I'm not going to get off on that -- but what I am saying is--  

Rutha: Thank you, Tomas. What the lesson was on tonight was quite, appropriate for me for what I had been [[thinking]] about the last couple of days is in regard to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II the Pope] coming out with his encyclical on [[abortion]] and [[euthanasia]] and all of those kinds of [[moral]] issues. This is exactly what you are saying. He is placing [[limitations]]. But I guess what I found myself [doing was] going back and [[feeling]] very [[guilty]], the Catholic religion being my history. I really feel deeply about certain issues but I really feel that people do need pro-choice in all areas.  And it really upset me that he came out this week so against all of these things with so many [[tragedies]] occurring across the globe with [[children]] who are not being taken care of and for him to sit there-- Well, I'm not going to get off on that -- but what I am saying is--  

At what point do we as people know what is really right and where do we set those [[limitations]]; and where does just plain [[guilt]] for what somebody else has imposed play a part? I really found myself [[vacillating]] back and forth feeling [[guilty]] and badly, and then I -- It's all tied in with a lot of things. And then I saw the [http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117902170?refCatId=32 Life and Times of Jesus on the Learning Channel] last night and here again they were talking about maybe he wasn't even the [[Creator Son|Son of God]], and they had all these different [[viewpoints]]. And I just found myself being very [[confused]] and feeling very limited in my understanding of everything! It seems like, sometimes the more you understand through [[science]] and [[metaphysics]] the more confusing it can become then! I don't know! I just-- I don't know; what's happening but I just feel very confused and in this confusion I am [[feeling]] a lot of limits which I thought had been lifted. And now I seem to be under a real ceiling with a lot of limits! So -- I don't know if that's a question, it's just what is happening with me right now. Anyway I will keep working on, [[thinking]] about it.

At what point do we as people know what is really right and where do we set those [[limitations]]; and where does just plain [[guilt]] for what somebody else has imposed play a part? I really found myself [[vacillating]] back and forth feeling [[guilty]] and badly, and then I -- It's all tied in with a lot of things. And then I saw the [https://www.variety.com/review/VE1117902170?refCatId=32 Life and Times of Jesus on the Learning Channel] last night and here again they were talking about maybe he wasn't even the [[Creator Son|Son of God]], and they had all these different [[viewpoints]]. And I just found myself being very [[confused]] and feeling very limited in my understanding of everything! It seems like, sometimes the more you understand through [[science]] and [[metaphysics]] the more confusing it can become then! I don't know! I just-- I don't know; what's happening but I just feel very confused and in this confusion I am [[feeling]] a lot of limits which I thought had been lifted. And now I seem to be under a real ceiling with a lot of limits! So -- I don't know if that's a question, it's just what is happening with me right now. Anyway I will keep working on, [[thinking]] about it.

TOMAS: My dear friend, your [[question]] is, as usual, felt deeply, [[thought]] provoking for not only yourself but others.  Your [[selfless]] inquiries benefit many.  Your [[quandary]] here is not necessarily one of [[limitation]] but one of [[loyalty]].  For who among us does not seek an [[authority]] that will tell us how to feel within the certain limitations which are imposed.  How now to answer the question 'who is imposing a limitation?' and for what [[purpose]].  

TOMAS: My dear friend, your [[question]] is, as usual, felt deeply, [[thought]] provoking for not only yourself but others.  Your [[selfless]] inquiries benefit many.  Your [[quandary]] here is not necessarily one of [[limitation]] but one of [[loyalty]].  For who among us does not seek an [[authority]] that will tell us how to feel within the certain limitations which are imposed.  How now to answer the question 'who is imposing a limitation?' and for what [[purpose]].  

Leetah: I have been in and out tonight, Daniel and Tomas, but I think I have followed the [[sequence]] of what has been asked. I think that this very issue is the thing I have been dwelling on this week. An [[expression]] from my [[childhood]] comes to [[mind]], 'the way to [[hell]] is paved with good [[motives]]'. I think on both sides of this issue there are people who have the good motive that they would swear to and yet to try to sort out the ends and get there with a good [[path]] is a very [[difficult]] thing. So I appreciate so much the comments that have been made.  

Leetah: I have been in and out tonight, Daniel and Tomas, but I think I have followed the [[sequence]] of what has been asked. I think that this very issue is the thing I have been dwelling on this week. An [[expression]] from my [[childhood]] comes to [[mind]], 'the way to [[hell]] is paved with good [[motives]]'. I think on both sides of this issue there are people who have the good motive that they would swear to and yet to try to sort out the ends and get there with a good [[path]] is a very [[difficult]] thing. So I appreciate so much the comments that have been made.  

The comment that you made about the solution is [[unfolding]] reminds me of something that was said last Saturday in the video we saw, 'A [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole White Hole] in Time' -- that [[human beings]] are indeed looking inward, and I see unfolding everywhere if we have our eyes open and we are [[positive]]. I was reminded of a comment that Janet made in that she said that in the [[healing]] [[process]] sometimes the patient gets much worse just before healing begins or completes itself. We see such continuation, it seems, of [[error]] and [[sin]]; and yet we hear the [[promise]] that the [[evolution]] is happening, that the solution is unfolding. I just thank you for these [[encouraging]] words!  

The comment that you made about the solution is [[unfolding]] reminds me of something that was said last Saturday in the video we saw, 'A [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole White Hole] in Time' -- that [[human beings]] are indeed looking inward, and I see unfolding everywhere if we have our eyes open and we are [[positive]]. I was reminded of a comment that Janet made in that she said that in the [[healing]] [[process]] sometimes the patient gets much worse just before healing begins or completes itself. We see such continuation, it seems, of [[error]] and [[sin]]; and yet we hear the [[promise]] that the [[evolution]] is happening, that the solution is unfolding. I just thank you for these [[encouraging]] words!  

DANIEL: Leetah, I will answer that. You are, of course, most welcome. And might I add, my dear, that your musing upon [[motive]] will pay off; and yes, you have brought forth a significant [[point]] that -- as is always the case with [[social]]/[[political]] issues -- people on both sides of an issue have good [[motives]], desire what is right, desire what is [[good]]. But what I would have you think about is that one or the other does not have to be right. Part of the limitations of [[this planet]] is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_thinking simplistic thinking]: right /wrong, black/white, red/green. And this in itself can lock solutions to social/political problems.  

DANIEL: Leetah, I will answer that. You are, of course, most welcome. And might I add, my dear, that your musing upon [[motive]] will pay off; and yes, you have brought forth a significant [[point]] that -- as is always the case with [[social]]/[[political]] issues -- people on both sides of an issue have good [[motives]], desire what is right, desire what is [[good]]. But what I would have you think about is that one or the other does not have to be right. Part of the limitations of [[this planet]] is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_thinking simplistic thinking]: right /wrong, black/white, red/green. And this in itself can lock solutions to social/political problems.  

It is only in opening up, seeking for [[guidance]], seeking for higher [[understanding]], opening up to the possibility of one's understanding of an issue not being complete, by both sides, that solutions can be had. So, [[friends]], as you [[think]] about social/political situations I ask you to look beyond one side or the other. Find what is worthwhile in both [[positions]]. I [[assure]] you that most always neither one nor the other is correct. An understanding that is in greater [[alignment]] with God's will, will be round as [[evolution]] takes place, as understandings evolve.  

It is only in opening up, seeking for [[guidance]], seeking for higher [[understanding]], opening up to the possibility of one's understanding of an issue not being complete, by both sides, that solutions can be had. So, [[friends]], as you [[think]] about social/political situations I ask you to look beyond one side or the other. Find what is worthwhile in both [[positions]]. I [[assure]] you that most always neither one nor the other is correct. An understanding that is in greater [[alignment]] with God's will, will be round as [[evolution]] takes place, as understandings evolve.  

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