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DATE: January 18, 1996
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===Topic: ''Belief''===
 
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===Group: [[PIttsburgh TeaM]]===
LOCATION: Pittsburgh, PA, USA
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==Facilitators==
 
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===Teacher: [[Tomas]]===
T/R: Gerdean
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===TR: [[Gerdean]]===
 
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==Session==
TEXTUAL STUDY:
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===Opening===
 
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Urantia Paper 101, The Real Nature of Religion
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6. Progressive Religious Experience
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7. A Personal Philosophy of Religion
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8. Faith and Belief
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9. Religion and Morality
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10. Religion as Man's Liberator
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      TEACHER SESSION:
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      BELIEF
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      [Sub-topics:
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      Pornography;
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      Homosexuality]
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TOMAS: Good afternoon, my friends.
 
TOMAS: Good afternoon, my friends.
    
Group: Good afternoon, Tomas.
 
Group: Good afternoon, Tomas.
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TOMAS: I am Tomas, your guide, teacher, companion and friend. I, as well as many others are here this afternoon in glorious rejoicing at your combined energies and motivations to endure, persist, pursue and secure ideal circumstances and situations which will result in your sustained happiness and faith in your own personal religious experience.
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TOMAS: I am Tomas, your guide, teacher, companion and friend. I, as well as many others are here this afternoon in glorious rejoicing at your combined energies and motivations to endure, persist, pursue and secure ideal circumstances and situations which will result in your sustained happiness and faith in your own [[personality|personal]] religious experience.
 
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It is satisfying to your supernal guides to behold your application toward concepts which stretch your capacities, which stimulate your mind to reach beyond the conformity of your societal mode in search of more realistic planes of awareness and thus service.
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In keeping with our format and with your permission I will proceed today to spend a few moments discussing belief, which, as you learned from your reading today, in part, is not the same as faith, but beliefs, en route to faith and yet greater faith, play powerful punches in your developing reality/religious experience and I would like to help you to recognize your individual beliefs so that you can put your beliefs in some perspective and appreciation for the relative reality that they are.
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It is satisfying to your supernal guides to behold your application toward concepts which stretch your capacities, which stimulate your [[mind]] to reach beyond the conformity of your societal mode in search of more realistic planes of awareness and thus service.
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===Lesson===
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In keeping with our format and with your permission I will proceed today to spend a few moments discussing [[belief]], which, as you learned from your reading today, in part, is not the same as [[faith]], but beliefs, en route to faith and yet greater faith, play powerful punches in your developing reality/religious [[experience]] and I would like to help you to recognize your individual beliefs so that you can put your beliefs in some perspective and appreciation for the relative reality that they are.
    
I am torn, now, in my format, for I would, on one hand, like very much to ask you individually to give me an example of a belief which you hold dear, and I know that each of you have cherished beliefs which are noble and worthy and which you would not hesitate to lay upon our table today, but I also understand that in the process of laying forth these fruits, the time grows long and, until such time as we have sustained stamina developed, I will forego that most enticing possibility for the dubious privilege of outlining for you what I perceive are some of your beliefs, for purposes of our lesson today.
 
I am torn, now, in my format, for I would, on one hand, like very much to ask you individually to give me an example of a belief which you hold dear, and I know that each of you have cherished beliefs which are noble and worthy and which you would not hesitate to lay upon our table today, but I also understand that in the process of laying forth these fruits, the time grows long and, until such time as we have sustained stamina developed, I will forego that most enticing possibility for the dubious privilege of outlining for you what I perceive are some of your beliefs, for purposes of our lesson today.
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The evolution of a morontia-ized soul undertakes myriad beliefs, many garments, to clothe the dangling and imperfect aspects of a developing moral being. The favorite one seems to be, "I believe in God," yes, and yet this is individualized according to each person's perception of God, in that, some fear God, some presume upon God, some create a God to serve their own purpose, some mouth the tenets they have learned from others' God or Gods, and yet a belief in God is certainly one which all professed believers put forth. More humanly, individuals will say, "I believe in love," and this, too, creates a multi-colored array of various beliefs, for love must be redefined on each new level of awareness and comprehension of love's realities.
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The [[evolution]] of a morontia-ized [[soul]] undertakes myriad beliefs, many garments, to clothe the dangling and imperfect aspects of a developing moral being. The favorite one seems to be, "I believe in God," yes, and yet this is individualized according to each person's [[perception]] of God, in that, some fear God, some presume upon God, some create a God to serve their own purpose, some mouth the tenets they have learned from others' God or Gods, and yet a belief in God is certainly one which all professed believers put forth. More [[human]]ly, individuals will say, "I believe in love," and this, too, creates a multi-colored array of various beliefs, for love must be redefined on each new level of awareness and comprehension of love's realities.
    
That which was once a cherished belief of the child, that Mother and Father knew everything, provided everything put forth, was shot down when Father and Mother acknowledged, "My child, I do not know," and in the early ages bordering the developing theology, the child in this culture may have been encouraged to believe in Santa Clause, and in time was made to understand that Santa Clause was a creation for the delight of the childlike fantasy and not a reality at all.
 
That which was once a cherished belief of the child, that Mother and Father knew everything, provided everything put forth, was shot down when Father and Mother acknowledged, "My child, I do not know," and in the early ages bordering the developing theology, the child in this culture may have been encouraged to believe in Santa Clause, and in time was made to understand that Santa Clause was a creation for the delight of the childlike fantasy and not a reality at all.
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I am here today to encourage you to accept the fact that you, in your relative imperfection, are still in a position of assuming roles to play, those which you largely feel are acceptable to your contemporaries. Indeed, you can all attend the cast party together and remark to one another about the flaws in the script and the delight in period costume and so forth, but all these words that I have outpoured upon you here have to do with your beliefs which indeed will change and grow and evolve over the course of time and I encourage you to, when the final curtain closes, to not despair of having nothing more to live for, but rather, to audition for yet another part in upholding yourself with a belief in yourself and in your purpose for being here on this stage of life.
 
I am here today to encourage you to accept the fact that you, in your relative imperfection, are still in a position of assuming roles to play, those which you largely feel are acceptable to your contemporaries. Indeed, you can all attend the cast party together and remark to one another about the flaws in the script and the delight in period costume and so forth, but all these words that I have outpoured upon you here have to do with your beliefs which indeed will change and grow and evolve over the course of time and I encourage you to, when the final curtain closes, to not despair of having nothing more to live for, but rather, to audition for yet another part in upholding yourself with a belief in yourself and in your purpose for being here on this stage of life.
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All of these beliefs which you entertain are but stepping stones into your eternal perfection. Your faith will grow as your old and feeble beliefs give way to greater, more sophisticated, more in-depth beliefs that require more of you than the temporal happily-ever-after scenario. Your faith will expand as you discover your belief, which is you r own intellectual configuration, be renewed in an evolved and more spiritized interpretation of those beliefs, which you hold dear, and which support you in your life's experiential mode.
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All of these beliefs which you entertain are but stepping stones into your eternal perfection. Your faith will grow as your old and feeble beliefs give way to greater, more sophisticated, more in-depth beliefs that require more of you than the temporal happily-ever-after scenario. Your faith will expand as you discover your belief, which is you r own [[intellectual]] configuration, be renewed in an evolved and more spiritized interpretation of those beliefs, which you hold dear, and which support you in your life's experiential mode.
    
As you understand your own beliefs, your need for beliefs, your approach to beliefs, and the understanding that your beliefs, although they may be paralleling others' beliefs are not necessarily the ultimate experience, it is easier then to accept that what another individual believes is true to them is acceptable to you, for you yourself have evolved your own beliefs, as they themselves have evolved their own beliefs in accordance with their own understandings also.
 
As you understand your own beliefs, your need for beliefs, your approach to beliefs, and the understanding that your beliefs, although they may be paralleling others' beliefs are not necessarily the ultimate experience, it is easier then to accept that what another individual believes is true to them is acceptable to you, for you yourself have evolved your own beliefs, as they themselves have evolved their own beliefs in accordance with their own understandings also.
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I believe I have spoken enough on beliefs for today. I understand you have questions of me. Whether they relate to the lesson or not is inconsequential, for I am delighted to once again be in this position that you allow me as your teacher, and I am appreciative. And how may I serve you, my friends?
 
I believe I have spoken enough on beliefs for today. I understand you have questions of me. Whether they relate to the lesson or not is inconsequential, for I am delighted to once again be in this position that you allow me as your teacher, and I am appreciative. And how may I serve you, my friends?
 
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===Dialogue===
 
Mrs. L: I believe last week you touched on something that I would like to review when I can read the transcript, but I was interested. You were saying something, I think, about not being able to accept your world, and I think that I would like to pursue that, over the weeks, because I don't want to be totally indignant about everything that I see around me, that I feel is undermining my grandchildren's future, and I would like to perhaps understand something about other people's belief system as my own because, for instance, could you help me when I try to understand and not hate the man who runs the Playboy empire? He has a long Italian name. He's a very … sort of a …
 
Mrs. L: I believe last week you touched on something that I would like to review when I can read the transcript, but I was interested. You were saying something, I think, about not being able to accept your world, and I think that I would like to pursue that, over the weeks, because I don't want to be totally indignant about everything that I see around me, that I feel is undermining my grandchildren's future, and I would like to perhaps understand something about other people's belief system as my own because, for instance, could you help me when I try to understand and not hate the man who runs the Playboy empire? He has a long Italian name. He's a very … sort of a …
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Your moral indignation is understood from your vantage point of high standards and Jesusonian ideals, but in order for you to find some peace in your heart and stop wasting valuable energy on flailing the air about your distress, if you would heal yourself of this rent in your spiritual garment, you might begin by considering the compassion of an elder sister towards one's siblings who have not had the advantage of being indwelt by such a clever and experience Thought Adjuster of such intellectual endowment as to make those decisions which have kept you yourself out of finding this sort of behavior an entrepreneurial enterprise a viable outlet for your own animalistic tendencies; further compassion to understand that your self-esteem has been nurtured and regarded in such light as you would find it unworthy of you to reduce your daughtership status to sell out for such shabby crumbs of love and acceptance as is the lot of many, many women and men on Urantia.
 
Your moral indignation is understood from your vantage point of high standards and Jesusonian ideals, but in order for you to find some peace in your heart and stop wasting valuable energy on flailing the air about your distress, if you would heal yourself of this rent in your spiritual garment, you might begin by considering the compassion of an elder sister towards one's siblings who have not had the advantage of being indwelt by such a clever and experience Thought Adjuster of such intellectual endowment as to make those decisions which have kept you yourself out of finding this sort of behavior an entrepreneurial enterprise a viable outlet for your own animalistic tendencies; further compassion to understand that your self-esteem has been nurtured and regarded in such light as you would find it unworthy of you to reduce your daughtership status to sell out for such shabby crumbs of love and acceptance as is the lot of many, many women and men on Urantia.
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I would ask you also to consider economic potential, peer pressure, the lure of ego acknowledgment in one's society and, in perhaps an overall wrap-up, consider the overall problem that much of the old ways of Urantia are falling into disrepair and disrepute as the age of Aquarius rises; the old way is passing away, all things are becoming new, and in the collective unconsciousness, the masses are aware that the old way of fear and grasping is destined to come to a close and in its closure, they are even more desperate for what they can get from what they understand.
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I would ask you also to consider economic potential, peer pressure, the lure of ego acknowledgment in one's society and, in perhaps an overall wrap-up, consider the overall problem that much of the old ways of Urantia are falling into disrepair and disrepute as the age of Aquarius rises; the old way is passing away, all things are becoming new, and in the [http://tcup.currentform.com/index.php collective unconsciousness], the masses are aware that the old way of fear and grasping is destined to come to a close and in its closure, they are even more desperate for what they can get from what they understand.
    
And last but not least, daughter and friend, give thanks to Our Father for the love which has been made to emerge and resound between He and ye and allow that love which you know in your heart to rain upon those of lesser fortune. This will eventuate in your beginning to understand your brothers and sisters. And, indeed, in coming to understand them, you may come to love them -- at least in sufficient amounts to not disdain your own approach to your fellow beings.
 
And last but not least, daughter and friend, give thanks to Our Father for the love which has been made to emerge and resound between He and ye and allow that love which you know in your heart to rain upon those of lesser fortune. This will eventuate in your beginning to understand your brothers and sisters. And, indeed, in coming to understand them, you may come to love them -- at least in sufficient amounts to not disdain your own approach to your fellow beings.
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Mrs. P: In a spiritual sense.
 
Mrs. P: In a spiritual sense.
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TOMAS: 'Here' is a relative phrase, for we get into the entanglements of time and space. In broaching reality, it is not necessary to go far in the flesh to go far in the spirit, and it is his spirit that we are referencing, for he has discarded his mortal tabernacle, and so the distance required for his next -- shall we say 'portrayal of reality' is just around the corner.
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TOMAS: 'Here' is a relative phrase, for we get into the entanglements of [[time]] and [[space]]. In broaching reality, it is not necessary to go far in the flesh to go far in the spirit, and it is his spirit that we are referencing, for he has discarded his mortal tabernacle, and so the distance required for his next -- shall we say 'portrayal of reality' is just around the corner.
    
Mrs. P: I understand, because he keeps coming from crazy places and I know he's there.
 
Mrs. P: I understand, because he keeps coming from crazy places and I know he's there.
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I hope I have not ruffled any feathers here this afternoon with this response, but I am, even so, glad to have had the opportunity to point out that this moral value judgment serves no purpose in Our Father's Kingdom, and it does contribute to alienating brothers and sisters in the flesh through misunderstanding of true value. Anything further?
 
I hope I have not ruffled any feathers here this afternoon with this response, but I am, even so, glad to have had the opportunity to point out that this moral value judgment serves no purpose in Our Father's Kingdom, and it does contribute to alienating brothers and sisters in the flesh through misunderstanding of true value. Anything further?
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Mrs. McD: Tomas, while we're on the subject of sexuality, I wonder if you would comment on what is the purpose of homosexuality?
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Mrs. McD: Tomas, while we're on the subject of sexuality, I wonder if you would comment on what is the purpose of [[homosexuality]]?
    
TOMAS: What is the purpose of a robin?
 
TOMAS: What is the purpose of a robin?
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Mrs. McD: The cosmic purpose of homosexuality.
 
Mrs. McD: The cosmic purpose of homosexuality.
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TOMAS: Yes, and I ask you, what is the purpose of birds? What is the purpose of potatoes? All things are not necessarily for a purpose. Are you inferring that the purpose of a woman is to have children and that the purpose of a man is to provide an income? The purpose of anything is in its being. You are asking perhaps how is homosexuality justified in a heterosexual society?
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TOMAS: Yes, and I ask you, what is the purpose of birds? What is the purpose of potatoes? All things are not necessarily for a purpose. Are you inferring that the purpose of a woman is to have children and that the purpose of a man is to provide an income? The purpose of anything is in its being. You are asking perhaps how is [[homosexuality]] justified in a heterosexual society?
    
Mrs. McD: No, I don't mean to justify it. I have no problem with it. I was just wondering. Heterosexuality has an obvious purpose of procreation. I was just wondering why … why is it that it happens to certain souls? I just don't understand why that manifests. I mean there must e a purpose or a reason, I think. I mean, this is not a judgment on homosexuality. I don't see anything wrong with it. I just don't see any reason for it, either, in a cosmic sense.
 
Mrs. McD: No, I don't mean to justify it. I have no problem with it. I was just wondering. Heterosexuality has an obvious purpose of procreation. I was just wondering why … why is it that it happens to certain souls? I just don't understand why that manifests. I mean there must e a purpose or a reason, I think. I mean, this is not a judgment on homosexuality. I don't see anything wrong with it. I just don't see any reason for it, either, in a cosmic sense.
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MICHAEL: Precious ones, I have indeed presented myself to you all and you all have responded to me. You have in your heart seen me. In time you will see me even more, and you are beginning to see the Father through me, and in yourselves. I visit you, indeed, as the thief in the night. Not while you hold yourself in supplication of my being, but in your trust of my being. As you pass by, as you go about doing good in your own way, I go with you, and surely you shall glimpse me in the spirit and in the eyes and hearts of those we touch. Peace be upon you, my children. Adieu.
 
MICHAEL: Precious ones, I have indeed presented myself to you all and you all have responded to me. You have in your heart seen me. In time you will see me even more, and you are beginning to see the Father through me, and in yourselves. I visit you, indeed, as the thief in the night. Not while you hold yourself in supplication of my being, but in your trust of my being. As you pass by, as you go about doing good in your own way, I go with you, and surely you shall glimpse me in the spirit and in the eyes and hearts of those we touch. Peace be upon you, my children. Adieu.
 
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===Closing===
 
TOMAS: I am Tomas for one final remark before we put this to bed for the afternoon. I am appreciative of the many meaty remarks that were brought to the circuits this afternoon in your questions, for they each brought to the table the beliefs that you have wrapped around yourselves and your fellows. Look at your beliefs to determine how these value judgments and these behavior patterns relate to the pure affection of divinity which we are admonished to carry through in our daily doings.
 
TOMAS: I am Tomas for one final remark before we put this to bed for the afternoon. I am appreciative of the many meaty remarks that were brought to the circuits this afternoon in your questions, for they each brought to the table the beliefs that you have wrapped around yourselves and your fellows. Look at your beliefs to determine how these value judgments and these behavior patterns relate to the pure affection of divinity which we are admonished to carry through in our daily doings.
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Deep affection I leave with you and commendations on your courage. Let me also say in parting that I have been with many of you this past week, in your grappling with acceptance and we have, some of us, made great progress. I look forward to our continued work together, play together, and indeed, camaraderie throughout eternity. Farewell.
 
Deep affection I leave with you and commendations on your courage. Let me also say in parting that I have been with many of you this past week, in your grappling with acceptance and we have, some of us, made great progress. I look forward to our continued work together, play together, and indeed, camaraderie throughout eternity. Farewell.
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