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THOROAH: Personally I love the [[harmonics]]. I don't know that I have any questions as regards the [[conference]].

THOROAH: Personally I love the [[harmonics]]. I don't know that I have any questions as regards the [[conference]].

TOMAS: You are amiable and malleable. Your [[mind]] has set off in the direction of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiquities antiquities] and a study of racial [[origins]]. You see how we all begin to feather our nests with that which is essential to our [[comfort]], our [[instincts]], and our [[civilization]] - that being our personal civilization.

TOMAS: You are amiable and malleable. Your [[mind]] has set off in the direction of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiquities antiquities] and a study of racial [[origins]]. You see how we all begin to feather our nests with that which is essential to our [[comfort]], our [[instincts]], and our [[civilization]] - that being our personal civilization.

THOROAH: Well, I have lots of questions as far as [[origins]].

THOROAH: Well, I have lots of questions as far as [[origins]].

TOMAS: Perhaps I can shed some light; perhaps not. What do you seek to know?

TOMAS: Perhaps I can shed some light; perhaps not. What do you seek to know?

===='''''[[Race]]''''', '''''[[History]]'''''====

===='''''[[Race]]''''', '''''[[History]]'''''====

THOROAH: A case in point would be the reference in the [[Urantia Book]] to the [[Nephilim]] -- who are referred to as the [[Nodites]], parenthetically, one time, in the Urantia Book -- and I'm also reading about the Nephilim in other sources. They were a recognized [[race]] - I guess I could say anthropologically as well as speculatively -- as being from someplace else, their origins being someplace else in [[the universe]], such as another evolving race or another world, but specifically I'm thinking of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anunnaki Anunnaki], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin Nibiruans], and the Nephilim who are said to be the same race, which makes the Nodites unique and it captured my interest. I'm wondering about our off-world origins. I know that with [[the Prince's staff]] that there were obviously off-world [[influences]] on our human race. The [[Urantia Book]] does not go into detail as to where that staff came from and so I guess that's the [[mystery]] that I'm looking at right now.

THOROAH: A case in point would be the reference in the [[Urantia Book]] to the [[Nephilim]] -- who are referred to as the [[Nodites]], parenthetically, one time, in the Urantia Book -- and I'm also reading about the Nephilim in other sources. They were a recognized [[race]] - I guess I could say anthropologically as well as speculatively -- as being from someplace else, their origins being someplace else in [[the universe]], such as another evolving race or another world, but specifically I'm thinking of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anunnaki Anunnaki], the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin Nibiruans], and the Nephilim who are said to be the same race, which makes the Nodites unique and it captured my interest. I'm wondering about our off-world origins. I know that with [[the Prince's staff]] that there were obviously off-world [[influences]] on our human race. The [[Urantia Book]] does not go into detail as to where that staff came from and so I guess that's the [[mystery]] that I'm looking at right now.

TOMAS: Well, you will not be [[surprised]] to learn that I am not authorized to [[discuss]] that element of [[Part 3|your planetary history]]. However, I am not going to discourage your [[investigations]] either. The descendants of [[Nod]] indeed presented a race of people that were [[infused]] with the genetic influence of a life form not originating on Urantia and while their progeny are certainly a part of your [[composition]], it remains true that your essential [[ancestors]] are well known throughout [[the universe]] as [[Andon and Fonta]], the first two human beings to have been indwelt by a [[Ta|fragment of God]] and they were your true [[ancestors]] although the influence of the [[Planetary Prince]]'s staff did affect a strain of genetic lineage which has been [[amalgamated]] into the basic evolutionary strains originating in the life pattern as was planted here by the [[Life Carriers]] so many millennia ago.

TOMAS: Well, you will not be [[surprised]] to learn that I am not authorized to [[discuss]] that element of [[Part 3|your planetary history]]. However, I am not going to discourage your [[investigations]] either. The descendants of [[Nod]] indeed presented a race of people that were [[infused]] with the genetic influence of a life form not originating on Urantia and while their progeny are certainly a part of your [[composition]], it remains true that your essential [[ancestors]] are well known throughout [[the universe]] as [[Andon and Fonta]], the first two human beings to have been indwelt by a [[Ta|fragment of God]] and they were your true [[ancestors]] although the influence of the [[Planetary Prince]]'s staff did affect a strain of genetic lineage which has been [[amalgamated]] into the basic evolutionary strains originating in the life pattern as was planted here by the [[Life Carriers]] so many millennia ago.

PAULO: Paulo here. Good afternoon, my friends. It's good to be with you in this format. I have with you enjoyed the events of late and the stimuli that has come from your interchanges with others. I am always interested in [[discussions]] that regard [[rebellion]] and the effects of rebellion and the residue [[loyalty]] to rebellion that you carry in your hip pocket if not in your [[genes]].

PAULO: Paulo here. Good afternoon, my friends. It's good to be with you in this format. I have with you enjoyed the events of late and the stimuli that has come from your interchanges with others. I am always interested in [[discussions]] that regard [[rebellion]] and the effects of rebellion and the residue [[loyalty]] to rebellion that you carry in your hip pocket if not in your [[genes]].

I have been asked about [[Satan]] and [[Lucifer]] in terms of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism Satanic cult] and in terms of the concept of [[Lucifer]] having been [[forgiven]] and further, the concept of [[the Father]]'s [[complicity]] in [[the rebellion]] as a result of His not [[interfering]] with the [[Lucifer Manifesto]]. This is probably too much to take on in one portion of an afternoon session but I have a scope of response to present which does not get to the bottom of the issue, no, and which will hopefully leave you all unsettled as to the subject, but there is no way you can effectively be a fisher of men without encountering these theories as they are very much a part of your [[legacy]] and we certainly know about the [[reference]] to the [[devil]] as he is presented in biblical terms but there are new [[perspectives]] on "the evil one" and the [[study]] of the [[influence]] of evil upon [[humanity]] is at least as fascinating as your [[genetic]] lineage, and so if you're looking for something to delve into as a study in order to improve your connections with your brethren, as you whirl your way around the mix into the center, consider that in all of those aforementioned instances, it is and remains true that [[Lucifer]] is no longer the [[entity]] he once was. He is as if he had never been. If you conclude he has been forgiven, then, as anyone who has been forgiven understands, a [[perception]] of [[humility]] is a natural result, and while it may be a far stretch of the [[imagination]] to consider that Lucifer would be [[contrite]], it is the logical conclusion of that scenario, and indeed he is as if he had never been, for that rebellion and defiance against [[the Father]] would have subsided in his [[acceptance]] of the Father's [[blessing]].

I have been asked about [[Satan]] and [[Lucifer]] in terms of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism Satanic cult] and in terms of the concept of [[Lucifer]] having been [[forgiven]] and further, the concept of [[the Father]]'s [[complicity]] in [[the rebellion]] as a result of His not [[interfering]] with the [[Lucifer Manifesto]]. This is probably too much to take on in one portion of an afternoon session but I have a scope of response to present which does not get to the bottom of the issue, no, and which will hopefully leave you all unsettled as to the subject, but there is no way you can effectively be a fisher of men without encountering these theories as they are very much a part of your [[legacy]] and we certainly know about the [[reference]] to the [[devil]] as he is presented in biblical terms but there are new [[perspectives]] on "the evil one" and the [[study]] of the [[influence]] of evil upon [[humanity]] is at least as fascinating as your [[genetic]] lineage, and so if you're looking for something to delve into as a study in order to improve your connections with your brethren, as you whirl your way around the mix into the center, consider that in all of those aforementioned instances, it is and remains true that [[Lucifer]] is no longer the [[entity]] he once was. He is as if he had never been. If you conclude he has been forgiven, then, as anyone who has been forgiven understands, a [[perception]] of [[humility]] is a natural result, and while it may be a far stretch of the [[imagination]] to consider that Lucifer would be [[contrite]], it is the logical conclusion of that scenario, and indeed he is as if he had never been, for that rebellion and defiance against [[the Father]] would have subsided in his [[acceptance]] of the Father's [[blessing]].

Let's consider the [[idea]] of [[Satan]] as a being emulating [[Deity]] worthy of [[worship]], such as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism Satanic cults] engage in today as a response to the [[sects]] of [[Christianity]] which have been found to be unacceptable by the one who adopts the other side of the coin as a response, a rebellious and defiant response, to the [[status quo]] which has left them wanting. [[Evil]] is a part of [[ignorance]]. Evil is [[inherent]] in imperfection. It is the grasping of imperfection/ evil, and elevating it to [[sin]] that begins the descent into [[emotional]] and [[mental]] [[hell]].

Let's consider the [[idea]] of [[Satan]] as a being emulating [[Deity]] worthy of [[worship]], such as the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism Satanic cults] engage in today as a response to the [[sects]] of [[Christianity]] which have been found to be unacceptable by the one who adopts the other side of the coin as a response, a rebellious and defiant response, to the [[status quo]] which has left them wanting. [[Evil]] is a part of [[ignorance]]. Evil is [[inherent]] in imperfection. It is the grasping of imperfection/ evil, and elevating it to [[sin]] that begins the descent into [[emotional]] and [[mental]] [[hell]].

If, however, turning to [[Satan]] as a response to [[Christianity]] as a rebellious [[attitude]] toward [[church]] [[authority]], the statement is being made that the personal [[connection]] between Father and child has been disrupted. In the [[relationship]] between Father and child there is love. If the love has been [[distorted]] through [[judgment]], then the natural response is to pass your own judgment, unless and until the [[light]] of truth enters in to soften your [[heart]] and [[reveal]] again the connection with [[divinity]] that allows love to reign [[supreme]].

If, however, turning to [[Satan]] as a response to [[Christianity]] as a rebellious [[attitude]] toward [[church]] [[authority]], the statement is being made that the personal [[connection]] between Father and child has been disrupted. In the [[relationship]] between Father and child there is love. If the love has been [[distorted]] through [[judgment]], then the natural response is to pass your own judgment, unless and until the [[light]] of truth enters in to soften your [[heart]] and [[reveal]] again the connection with [[divinity]] that allows love to reign [[supreme]].