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Unidentified (Gerdean): [[The universe]] abounds with splendid associates, Elyon, in the many, many realms of [[creation]]. The scope of [[association]] is unending, [[catapulting]] and cartwheeling its way from the inception of life to [[Paradise]] and beyond. I am going to speak about [[cause and effect]] as a method of weighing your [[appreciation]] of merit. No, I know I have not given you a name; I have not revealed my [[identity]] to the TR either. She is very nervous about that, but not to [[worry]], we will proceed in good [[faith]].

Unidentified (Gerdean): [[The universe]] abounds with splendid associates, Elyon, in the many, many realms of [[creation]]. The scope of [[association]] is unending, [[catapulting]] and cartwheeling its way from the inception of life to [[Paradise]] and beyond. I am going to speak about [[cause and effect]] as a method of weighing your [[appreciation]] of merit. No, I know I have not given you a name; I have not revealed my [[identity]] to the TR either. She is very nervous about that, but not to [[worry]], we will proceed in good [[faith]].

===='''''[[Causality]]'''''====

===='''''[[Causality]]'''''====

As to [[cause and effect]], that you [[understand]] in your [[frame of reference]] to mean what you do you will feel the effects of in time. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_philosophy Eastern philosophy] is one of [[karma]] and the scope of cause and effect big enough to incorporate all of [[evolution]]. That which is the primordial [[cause]], the original cause, is that which will bring about the [[ultimate]] effect. In this we know the [[Paradise]] pattern will fulfill itself because it is ordained that the effects of the original cause will be forthcoming. But en route there are myriad minor instances of cause and effect which I will point to as examples of what [[your world]] is experiencing in its [[evolution]] today.

As to [[cause and effect]], that you [[understand]] in your [[frame of reference]] to mean what you do you will feel the effects of in time. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_philosophy Eastern philosophy] is one of [[karma]] and the scope of cause and effect big enough to incorporate all of [[evolution]]. That which is the primordial [[cause]], the original cause, is that which will bring about the [[ultimate]] effect. In this we know the [[Paradise]] pattern will fulfill itself because it is ordained that the effects of the original cause will be forthcoming. But en route there are myriad minor instances of cause and effect which I will point to as examples of what [[your world]] is experiencing in its [[evolution]] today.

Earlier in your [[discourse]] you discussed the acknowledgment today being [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veteran's_Day Veterans' Day], Armistice Day, day of peace acknowledging the [[progress]] of [[civilization]] in the way they manage [[hostilities]] and expansion of boundaries and powers. You discussed the [[quality]] of your nature, your [[composition]] as humans, your inheritance and its effects into the [[afterlife]] and beyond. What of this life will you take with you into the next? Which is also cause and effect. This is how it is that everything has a [[sublime]] association; everything [[connects]] from the beginning to the ending, the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_and_Omega Alpha and the Omega]. Look at your world which is hardly completed. Your earthquakes, tornadoes, tumultuous [[storms]], rains, floods give [[evidence]] of the [[relativity]] of, your degree of, [[maturity]] as a young planet still, [[geologically]] speaking, still cooling, still stabilizing. You have [[war]] in your core; the belching and boiling of the elements bring about destruction and [[violent]] outpourings that are inherent because of your standing as still immature, young.

Earlier in your [[discourse]] you discussed the acknowledgment today being [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veteran's_Day Veterans' Day], Armistice Day, day of peace acknowledging the [[progress]] of [[civilization]] in the way they manage [[hostilities]] and expansion of boundaries and powers. You discussed the [[quality]] of your nature, your [[composition]] as humans, your inheritance and its effects into the [[afterlife]] and beyond. What of this life will you take with you into the next? Which is also cause and effect. This is how it is that everything has a [[sublime]] association; everything [[connects]] from the beginning to the ending, the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_and_Omega Alpha and the Omega]. Look at your world which is hardly completed. Your earthquakes, tornadoes, tumultuous [[storms]], rains, floods give [[evidence]] of the [[relativity]] of, your degree of, [[maturity]] as a young planet still, [[geologically]] speaking, still cooling, still stabilizing. You have [[war]] in your core; the belching and boiling of the elements bring about destruction and [[violent]] outpourings that are inherent because of your standing as still immature, young.

The same is true for you as a [[race]] of people. You have not yet met the mandatory requirements for [[peace]] in your own [[hearts]], in your own [[souls]], that would garner a [[sublime]] association with your fellow sojourners whether they are near or far. This overview is designed to help you [[perceive]] the cause and effect of a planet's [[development]]. The yearning for [[peace]] that you [[celebrate]], acknowledge, and pray for is essentially a plea for the [[divine]] pattern to fulfill itself, that God in His heaven rule, and so it is. The propensity is to point your fingers at each other and indicate the other's [[responsibility]] in the tumult and in the overall is all a matter of cause and effect. Those of you who seek to insure eternal peace are those who have [[insulated]] themselves against [[existence]]. [[Growth]] itself involves [[conflict]]. It need not be destructive, but it will always bring about [[change]], and change itself is a result of cause and effect. As you advance and as this world itself advances, as it [[stabilizes]] and cools, as it becomes manageable by its own degree of settledness, it will cause the effect of [[peace]] to prevail just as springtime causes the trees to sprout new leaves.

The same is true for you as a [[race]] of people. You have not yet met the mandatory requirements for [[peace]] in your own [[hearts]], in your own [[souls]], that would garner a [[sublime]] association with your fellow sojourners whether they are near or far. This overview is designed to help you [[perceive]] the cause and effect of a planet's [[development]]. The yearning for [[peace]] that you [[celebrate]], acknowledge, and pray for is essentially a plea for the [[divine]] pattern to fulfill itself, that God in His heaven rule, and so it is. The propensity is to point your fingers at each other and indicate the other's [[responsibility]] in the tumult and in the overall is all a matter of cause and effect. Those of you who seek to insure eternal peace are those who have [[insulated]] themselves against [[existence]]. [[Growth]] itself involves [[conflict]]. It need not be destructive, but it will always bring about [[change]], and change itself is a result of cause and effect. As you advance and as this world itself advances, as it [[stabilizes]] and cools, as it becomes manageable by its own degree of settledness, it will cause the effect of [[peace]] to prevail just as springtime causes the trees to sprout new leaves.

Thus you present yourself as a honeybee dancing outside the hive inviting your friends to partake by the [[nature]] of your [[joy]] in finding this great and original [[First Source and Center]] of all things and beings and worlds.

Thus you present yourself as a honeybee dancing outside the hive inviting your friends to partake by the [[nature]] of your [[joy]] in finding this great and original [[First Source and Center]] of all things and beings and worlds.

===='''''[[Peace]]''''', '''''[[Light and Life]]'''''====

===='''''[[Peace]]''''', '''''[[Light and Life]]'''''====

Jonathan: Given the current [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29#2007:_Coalition_offensive war in Afghanistan], there's discussion of standing up for [[freedom]], defending what your country stands for, and there is also the pacific view that war is never acceptable for [[conflict]] [[resolution]]. We talk of trying to have a [[morontia]] [[perspective]] and not take a polarized stand. Could you comment on standing for individual and national rights while not caving to the apparently ineffective ways to resolve [[differences]]?

Jonathan: Given the current [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29#2007:_Coalition_offensive war in Afghanistan], there's discussion of standing up for [[freedom]], defending what your country stands for, and there is also the pacific view that war is never acceptable for [[conflict]] [[resolution]]. We talk of trying to have a [[morontia]] [[perspective]] and not take a polarized stand. Could you comment on standing for individual and national rights while not caving to the apparently ineffective ways to resolve [[differences]]?

unidentified: We would be looking at the [[variables]] of [[cause and effect]]; they each have a level of [[reality]], but sometimes it would be like comparing apples and oranges. The subject is too broad to be generic except in the [[universal]] sense as I outlined above. But when you become specific to [[nations]] or territories, to races, [[religions]], leaders, instances, [[tribes]], principles, you have as many variables as there are [[individuals]] discoursing. It is therefore [[necessary]] to continue to return to the [[perspective]] of [[transcendence]] in order to keep out of the [[emotional]] [[quagmire]] of intellectual and political [[differences]] that exist and will continue to exist for centuries because of the nature of [[growth]], including political growth. En route to [[Light and Life|one world, one language, one government, one religion]], we will see many more battles of one sort or another.

unidentified: We would be looking at the [[variables]] of [[cause and effect]]; they each have a level of [[reality]], but sometimes it would be like comparing apples and oranges. The subject is too broad to be generic except in the [[universal]] sense as I outlined above. But when you become specific to [[nations]] or territories, to races, [[religions]], leaders, instances, [[tribes]], principles, you have as many variables as there are [[individuals]] discoursing. It is therefore [[necessary]] to continue to return to the [[perspective]] of [[transcendence]] in order to keep out of the [[emotional]] [[quagmire]] of intellectual and political [[differences]] that exist and will continue to exist for centuries because of the nature of [[growth]], including political growth. En route to [[Light and Life|one world, one language, one government, one religion]], we will see many more battles of one sort or another.

Look at the early forms of [[battle]] as compared to the more recent. Of course [[war]] is an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unholy_Alliance_%28geopolitical%29 unholy alliance], and yet as you advance as humans you become more sophisticated in your [[methods]]. Rather than the brutal clubbing of one another to death you [[attain]] [[technological]] sophistication that allows for thousands of people to be immediately eviscerated as is evidenced in the [[911|Manhattan situation]]. In time you will as a race evolve to a point of exchange such that there need not be lives lost but to the [[victor]] go the spoils of goods and services or philosophies. Even when a world attains advanced status of [[Light and Life]] there will remain [[differences]] in [[ideological]] approaches that will be reminiscent of what your world experienced when it was young, raw, and untamed. These elements of your awareness will continue with you throughout your career. You will remember in [[mansonia]] many of these realities, as they have [[worth]]; they have merit. They represent far more than bloodshed. They represent [[valor]], bravery, [[stamina]], [[loyalty]], [[courage]], ideals, and the like that have lasting value. The good fight of [[faith]] itself is sometimes a fight to the finish in which there are fatalities.

Look at the early forms of [[battle]] as compared to the more recent. Of course [[war]] is an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unholy_Alliance_%28geopolitical%29 unholy alliance], and yet as you advance as humans you become more sophisticated in your [[methods]]. Rather than the brutal clubbing of one another to death you [[attain]] [[technological]] sophistication that allows for thousands of people to be immediately eviscerated as is evidenced in the [[911|Manhattan situation]]. In time you will as a race evolve to a point of exchange such that there need not be lives lost but to the [[victor]] go the spoils of goods and services or philosophies. Even when a world attains advanced status of [[Light and Life]] there will remain [[differences]] in [[ideological]] approaches that will be reminiscent of what your world experienced when it was young, raw, and untamed. These elements of your awareness will continue with you throughout your career. You will remember in [[mansonia]] many of these realities, as they have [[worth]]; they have merit. They represent far more than bloodshed. They represent [[valor]], bravery, [[stamina]], [[loyalty]], [[courage]], ideals, and the like that have lasting value. The good fight of [[faith]] itself is sometimes a fight to the finish in which there are fatalities.

But here I speak [[metaphorically]] to indicate that anything [[worth]] having, worth knowing, worth striving for, worth believing in is worth [[intelligent]] [[effort]] to [[support]]. Am I to say that your [[battle]] for [[reality]] is any greater or lesser than another's battle for reality? How can that be? Each [[soul]] is its own battlefield, its own arena wherein those choices take place, wherein the [[animal nature]] and the [[divine]] nature [[duel]] for [[supremacy]]. That is something that is [[shared]] by every [[human being]] no matter what color, what language, what race, [[nationality]], [[religion]], [[gender]], whatever. In the [[mind]] of man is where the ultimate arena is which chooses to know the [[Prince of Peace]] or to wrestle with the [[angel]].

But here I speak [[metaphorically]] to indicate that anything [[worth]] having, worth knowing, worth striving for, worth believing in is worth [[intelligent]] [[effort]] to [[support]]. Am I to say that your [[battle]] for [[reality]] is any greater or lesser than another's battle for reality? How can that be? Each [[soul]] is its own battlefield, its own arena wherein those choices take place, wherein the [[animal nature]] and the [[divine]] nature [[duel]] for [[supremacy]]. That is something that is [[shared]] by every [[human being]] no matter what color, what language, what race, [[nationality]], [[religion]], [[gender]], whatever. In the [[mind]] of man is where the ultimate arena is which chooses to know the [[Prince of Peace]] or to wrestle with the [[angel]].