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Opening Prayer (Bob S): my children, let us be in prayer. Open, Father, the hearts and minds of all mortals gathered here tonight to receive the wisdom which has been prepared for their education. We thank you for this opportunity we have as elder brothers and sisters to provide this faith-building word to those, which have been provided by others, in the name of him whom we all serve. Amen.

Opening Prayer (Bob S): my children, let us be in prayer. Open, Father, the hearts and minds of all mortals gathered here tonight to receive the wisdom which has been prepared for their education. We thank you for this opportunity we have as elder brothers and sisters to provide this faith-building word to those, which have been provided by others, in the name of him whom we all serve. Amen.

Daniel (Bob S): Greetings my friends, my students, my partners in this quest for a more mature ascendancy. This is Daniel. I will open tonight’s meeting, but I am not the major presenter. We all took great heart from your enthusiastic discussions from the last transcript, and we shall attempt to build upon the questions and the insights which you demonstrated earlier. Later on, I shall summarize and open the meeting for further questions following those of the major presenter. So if you have questions of a general nature please hold them and we shall attempt to get at them at the close of tonight’s session. With these words of introduction I now step aside for our visiting brother. One moment please.

Daniel (Bob S): Greetings my friends, my students, my partners in this quest for a more mature ascendancy. This is Daniel. I will open tonight’s meeting, but I am not the major presenter. We all took great heart from your enthusiastic discussions from the last transcript, and we shall attempt to build upon the questions and the insights which you demonstrated earlier. Later on, I shall summarize and open the meeting for further questions following those of the major presenter. So if you have questions of a general nature please hold them and we shall attempt to get at them at the close of tonight’s session. With these words of introduction I now step aside for our visiting brother. One moment please.

  Rayson (Bill): Hello, my friends, It is I, Rayson, once again with you this evening. As Daniel has said we were pleased with your good table manners as you applied yourselves to the offerings of last week’s meal carefully dissecting at times, chewing with pleasure, and swallowing for the purpose ingesting that information into intelligent and spiritually motivated souls. Because of your willingness to engage in what could be described as theoretical considerations, although they are of great practical import, we sense that you are no longer babes in arms but you have become maturing adults able to handle more substantial foods. In other words because you were willing to engage in difficult material and you did not sent me packing I have returned like the proverbial penny. [Laughter.] I have returned but not with any sense of being unwelcome or the need to justify my presence.

Rayson (Bill): Hello, my friends, It is I, Rayson, once again with you this evening. As Daniel has said we were pleased with your good table manners as you applied yourselves to the offerings of last week’s meal carefully dissecting at times, chewing with pleasure, and swallowing for the purpose ingesting that information into intelligent and spiritually motivated souls. Because of your willingness to engage in what could be described as theoretical considerations, although they are of great practical import, we sense that you are no longer babes in arms but you have become maturing adults able to handle more substantial foods. In other words because you were willing to engage in difficult material and you did not sent me packing I have returned like the proverbial penny. [Laughter.] I have returned but not with any sense of being unwelcome or the need to justify my presence.

 

A number of points were brought out in last week’s conversation. It was an overview and an introduction to your relationship and my relationship with the Supreme. In the light of the fact that all of the material has a degree of relevance, it was suggested to me that it might be best to let you give input as to what you would like to have me further discuss this evening. I am not asking you to formulate questions at this time, but asking you if you have a preference, a topic, among the many that I touched upon that you would like to see amplified and elucidated. I pause now for your input. (Pause.) Does your silence betoken that you are fully satisfied with the material that was presented, or does it suggest that you are bored and prefer to move on to another subject, or perhaps does your silence indicate that you are tired and that you don’t want the responsibility of helping decide on tonight’s agenda?

A number of points were brought out in last week’s conversation. It was an overview and an introduction to your relationship and my relationship with the Supreme. In the light of the fact that all of the material has a degree of relevance, it was suggested to me that it might be best to let you give input as to what you would like to have me further discuss this evening. I am not asking you to formulate questions at this time, but asking you if you have a preference, a topic, among the many that I touched upon that you would like to see amplified and elucidated. I pause now for your input. (Pause.) Does your silence betoken that you are fully satisfied with the material that was presented, or does it suggest that you are bored and prefer to move on to another subject, or perhaps does your silence indicate that you are tired and that you don’t want the responsibility of helping decide on tonight’s agenda?

Bob S: There was one possibility. When we were discussing earlier tonight your earlier lesson we were asking about those ties when we sense our awareness of a bigger kingdom, perhaps of God, and our role in it that you discussed last time, but we came up with very few examples. Does that suggest that some more discussion on your part would help us, or do we need to just think about that some more? Do you have an idea there, or do some of your brothers have a sense of why we seem to be struggling with personal examples in our lives?

Bob S: There was one possibility. When we were discussing earlier tonight your earlier lesson we were asking about those ties when we sense our awareness of a bigger kingdom, perhaps of God, and our role in it that you discussed last time, but we came up with very few examples. Does that suggest that some more discussion on your part would help us, or do we need to just think about that some more? Do you have an idea there, or do some of your brothers have a sense of why we seem to be struggling with personal examples in our lives?

Rayson (Bill): The materials were presented in regard to the connection that some people feel to the larger reality, a vague sense of higher power etc., as evidence for the fact that there is an unconscious, intuitive awareness on the part of all living beings of their connectedness to the whole. It was not described or mentioned for the purpose that you need necessarily be seeking that sort of mystical experience because you have the advantage of revelation so that your knowledge on the subject is much greater. my point was that even those who do not have revelation regarding their relationship to the Supreme still have a largely unconscious sense of their connection. Therefor, Bob, it is not necessary for there to be anything done, as you were questioning. Does this clarify for you?

Rayson (Bill): The materials were presented in regard to the connection that some people feel to the larger reality, a vague sense of higher power etc., as evidence for the fact that there is an unconscious, intuitive awareness on the part of all living beings of their connectedness to the whole. It was not described or mentioned for the purpose that you need necessarily be seeking that sort of mystical experience because you have the advantage of revelation so that your knowledge on the subject is much greater. my point was that even those who do not have revelation regarding their relationship to the Supreme still have a largely unconscious sense of their connection. Therefor, Bob, it is not necessary for there to be anything done, as you were questioning. Does this clarify for you?

Rayson (Bill): You are correct, my friend, in seeing the vast difference in concept between the whole being conceived of in impersonal terms so that each individual person is a mere drop in the ocean of nonpersonal existence, and the reality of the Supreme, which is fundamentally personal. Each person in the reality of the Supreme is part of an organic and living unity which is conscious, and each person retains that individual personality, so that merging with the Supreme is not losing one’s self into an unconscious, eternal whole, but gaining the consciousness of the entire whole at the time of the completion of Supremacy. It is a totally different concept, yes.

Rayson (Bill): You are correct, my friend, in seeing the vast difference in concept between the whole being conceived of in impersonal terms so that each individual person is a mere drop in the ocean of nonpersonal existence, and the reality of the Supreme, which is fundamentally personal. Each person in the reality of the Supreme is part of an organic and living unity which is conscious, and each person retains that individual personality, so that merging with the Supreme is not losing one’s self into an unconscious, eternal whole, but gaining the consciousness of the entire whole at the time of the completion of Supremacy. It is a totally different concept, yes.

my suggestion is that you say something along these lines to your friend, "But if you would consider this, there might be another way of looking at our relationship to the whole," and then proceed to describe the exciting concept of continued personal existence in an ever enhancing and expanding field of reality. Your friend, Dr. Tate, told this TR that there was no comfort for him in the loss of his wife in the framework of this first concept, this nonpersonal over-soul of creation, and he was right, for his beloved, according to this concept, was forever gone. He was not ready for such a profound discussion as the Supreme could present, but Isaac is hopeful that someday such a discussion may ensue. Have I responded to your statement, or do you wish me to say more?

My suggestion is that you say something along these lines to your friend, "But if you would consider this, there might be another way of looking at our relationship to the whole," and then proceed to describe the exciting concept of continued personal existence in an ever enhancing and expanding field of reality. Your friend, Dr. Tate, told this TR that there was no comfort for him in the loss of his wife in the framework of this first concept, this nonpersonal over-soul of creation, and he was right, for his beloved, according to this concept, was forever gone. He was not ready for such a profound discussion as the Supreme could present, but Isaac is hopeful that someday such a discussion may ensue. Have I responded to your statement, or do you wish me to say more?

Virginia: No, Rayson, that is fine, thank you. It’s just such a more hopeful picture to think in ter’s of a personal God, and to know so much more because we have contributed to our own potential.

Virginia: No, Rayson, that is fine, thank you. It’s just such a more hopeful picture to think in ter’s of a personal God, and to know so much more because we have contributed to our own potential.

A final strategy to reduce disappointment is to allow your expectations to be adjusted. Perhaps you are perfectionistic in your temperament, and you put too high a demand upon others and yourself. When I say "too high" I mean too high to attain in a reasonable amount of time, which results in the disappointment experience. When we say to lower your expectations we donmt mean forever. We mean for a certain period of time, so that achievement of the goal is possible and you don’t set yourself up to be constantly disappointed by inappropriately high goals within a narrow time-frame.

A final strategy to reduce disappointment is to allow your expectations to be adjusted. Perhaps you are perfectionistic in your temperament, and you put too high a demand upon others and yourself. When I say "too high" I mean too high to attain in a reasonable amount of time, which results in the disappointment experience. When we say to lower your expectations we donmt mean forever. We mean for a certain period of time, so that achievement of the goal is possible and you don’t set yourself up to be constantly disappointed by inappropriately high goals within a narrow time-frame.

Four things I can summarize here. Learn that some of your disappointments will be your

Four things I can summarize here. Learn that some of your disappointments will be your greatest blessings. Learn that you can trust in the over-care of God. Learn that your response to disappointment may require forgiveness. And learn to set realistic expectations rather than unusually difficult ones. With this, my friends, I will complete my conversation for this evening. I hope that our time together has been as enjoyable for you as it has been for me. I give you now your teacher, Daniel, who will conclude the meeting.

 

greatest blessings. Learn that you can trust in the over-care of God. Learn that your response to disappointment may require forgiveness. And learn to set realistic expectations rather than unusually difficult ones. With this, my friends, I will complete my conversation for this evening. I hope that our time together has been as enjoyable for you as it has been for me. I give you now your teacher, Daniel, who will conclude the meeting.

Daniel (Bob S): This is Daniel. my friends, have you questions on other subjects that you would like to raise at this time. I would like to thank our brother, Rayson, for his work tonight, which I am sure that we would all characterize as most helpful, and trust that it will be most thought provoking. Now are there questions in the few moments which we have remaining? (Pause.) Hearing none let us conclude our time together with a word of prayer. Shall we stand and take each other’s hand. I am told that Klarixiska wishes to close tonight’s time together. Virginia, are you willing to transmit?

Daniel (Bob S): This is Daniel. my friends, have you questions on other subjects that you would like to raise at this time. I would like to thank our brother, Rayson, for his work tonight, which I am sure that we would all characterize as most helpful, and trust that it will be most thought provoking. Now are there questions in the few moments which we have remaining? (Pause.) Hearing none let us conclude our time together with a word of prayer. Shall we stand and take each other’s hand. I am told that Klarixiska wishes to close tonight’s time together. Virginia, are you willing to transmit?

Virginia: I will.

Virginia: I will.

 

Klarixiska (Virginia): Father, Who sees us as we one day will be, help us to face our disappointments by growing, by changing, by becoming that which You do see. We thank You that You care for the whole, and that You love each of us individually, very much the same. You have given us great freedom of choice. We thank You that You have given us every Spirit being, every energy that is ours , to walk toward You. Be with each of us, seen and unseen, as we walk that path with eager arms to embrace what, one day, we will be. Amen.

Klarixiska (Virginia): Father, Who sees us as we one day will be, help us to face our disappointments by growing, by changing, by becoming that which You do see. We thank You that You care for the whole, and that You love each of us individually, very much the same. You have given us great freedom of choice. We thank You that You have given us every Spirit being, every energy that is ours , to walk toward You. Be with each of us, seen and unseen, as we walk that path with eager arms to embrace what, one day, we will be. Amen.

 

 

 

 

 

Hi everybody,

Hi everybody,

What a joy these teachers are. What a joy the human participants are as well. How I love you guys. Hold high the mission! Love, Gerdean

What a joy these teachers are. What a joy the human participants are as well. How I love you guys. Hold high the mission! Love, Gerdean