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Vicki:  Dear [[Father]], we gather today in [[recognition]] of the [[love]], [[guidance]] and [[generosity]] you give to us.  And we ask once again, that you [[surround]] us and [[encircuit]] us with [[truth]] and [[light]], as we seek the [[wisdom]] and [[foresight]] of our [[Magisterial Son]], [[Monjoronson]].  May this session provide [[comfort]] and [[insight]] to our fellow [[brothers and sisters]].  We extend our [[gratitude]] to [[Christ]] [[Michael]], [[Nebadonia]] and all [[unseen]] [[friends]] who [[assist]] us in this [[journey]].  [[Amen]].

Vicki:  Dear [[Father]], we gather today in [[recognition]] of the [[love]], [[guidance]] and [[generosity]] you give to us.  And we ask once again, that you [[surround]] us and [[encircuit]] us with [[truth]] and [[light]], as we seek the [[wisdom]] and [[foresight]] of our [[Magisterial Son]], [[Monjoronson]].  May this session provide [[comfort]] and [[insight]] to our fellow [[brothers and sisters]].  We extend our [[gratitude]] to [[Christ]] [[Michael]], [[Nebadonia]] and all [[unseen]] [[friends]] who [[assist]] us in this [[journey]].  [[Amen]].

   

   

[Note to readers:  Our moderator, Vicki, [[experienced]] the [[death]] of her [[husband]], Michael, two days after Special Session #11 took place.  We thank her for her [[courage]] to continue these sessions during her [[time]] of [[sorrow]].]

[Note to readers:  Our moderator, Vicki, [[experienced]] the [[death]] of her [[husband]], Michael, two days after Special Session #11 took place.  We thank her for her [[courage]] to continue these sessions during her [[time]] of [[sorrow]].

 

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

===='''''[[Death]]'''''====

===='''''[[Death]]'''''====

MONJORONSON:  Good morning, this is Monjoronson.  I definitely offer you the [[opportunity]] to [[discern]] and determine what is included in the published transcript and what is not.  It is your [[choice]] and it is a choice which we [[respect]] and abide by.  The [[information]] that others need to hear will be [[shared]], and that which is for you [alone] will be shared with you.  You have my [[sincere]] [[condolences]], my [[support]] and my [[love]] for you, as you go through this [[time]].  You see, dear one, that our [[message]] is for all of [[earth]] and its [[population]], and for each [[individual]], as you are now [[experiencing]], that this transposes from the general to the specific, from the global [[population]] to you [[individually]], and this truly is the [[message]] of Christ [[Michael]], and that this [[work]] that we do would be for nothing if one [[person]] were lost, or [[deceived]] by it.  So our utmost [[effort]] is to appeal to the [[individual]], to the [[truth]], and to the [[transcending]] [[truth]], that abides by each [[individual]] along their [[ascendant]] [[journey]].

MONJORONSON:  Good morning, this is Monjoronson.  I definitely offer you the [[opportunity]] to [[discern]] and determine what is included in the published transcript and what is not.  It is your [[choice]] and it is a choice which we [[respect]] and abide by.  The [[information]] that others need to hear will be [[shared]], and that which is for you [alone] will be shared with you.  You have my [[sincere]] [[condolences]], my [[support]] and my [[love]] for you, as you go through this [[time]].  You see, dear one, that our [[message]] is for all of [[earth]] and its [[population]], and for each [[individual]], as you are now [[experiencing]], that this transposes from the general to the specific, from the global [[population]] to you [[individually]], and this truly is the [[message]] of Christ [[Michael]], and that this [[work]] that we do would be for nothing if one [[person]] were lost, or [[deceived]] by it.  So our utmost [[effort]] is to appeal to the [[individual]], to the [[truth]], and to the [[transcending]] [[truth]], that abides by each [[individual]] along their [[ascendant]] [[journey]].

Vicki:  I do [[understand]] this, and I have felt throughout the sessions, with every [[topic]], I was taken deeper within for my own [[personal]] [[growth]].  To be [[honest]], it’s why for a time, I avoided a few [[topics]].  Actually, there is no sense in avoiding, because what will be, will be, I believe.  Am I right?

Vicki:  I do [[understand]] this, and I have felt throughout the sessions, with every [[topic]], I was taken deeper within for my own [[personal]] [[growth]].  To be [[honest]], it’s why for a time, I avoided a few [[topics]].  Actually, there is no sense in avoiding, because what will be, will be, I believe.  Am I right?

   

   

Monjoronson, when I talked to Michael these last couple weeks, there would be [[moments]] when I would talk to my deceased [[husband]], can he hear me?

Monjoronson, when I talked to Michael these last couple weeks, there would be [[moments]] when I would talk to my deceased [[husband]], can he hear me?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, he can [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Sense#Audition hear] you, not as your [[voice]], but as your [[presence]].  You are attempting to [[speak]] through the [[morontia]]l [[consciousness]], and you have a “partial vocabulary” for that, and an [[inherent]] [[capacity]] as you have grown and [[ascended]] in your [[mortal]] lifetime, and your mortal [[consciousness]].

MONJORONSON:  Yes, he can [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Sense#Audition hear] you, not as your [[voice]], but as your [[presence]].  You are attempting to [[speak]] through the [[morontia]]l [[consciousness]], and you have a “partial vocabulary” for that, and an [[inherent]] [[capacity]] as you have grown and [[ascended]] in your [[mortal]] lifetime, and your mortal [[consciousness]].

===='''''[[Grief]]''''', '''''[[Emotion]]'''''====

===='''''[[Grief]]''''', '''''[[Emotion]]'''''====

MONJORONSON:  “What’s next” has already begun and engaged by yourself.  You have [[courageously]], [[thoughtfully]], “engaged our [[conversation]].”  Our conversation through these [[dialogs]], through these question and answer special sessions, and you have begun to move ahead.  We knew of this coming [[event]] of your [[husband]] for some time, and your positioning and [[intelligence]] and [[education]] offered itself tremendously to this [[conversation]], these [[dialogs]] that we have.  “What’s next” has [[actually]] begun before his passage.  You are already on the way to the rest of your life’s [[career]] and your [[service]].  You have been led through these [[conversations]] of dealing with [[hospice]] and [[near death experience]]s, and the passage of [[death]] and dying that it presents.  You were [[prepared]] for this and we have used this [[experience]] in your life for the [[education]] of all people who [[read]] these and hear these [[transcripts]].  

MONJORONSON:  “What’s next” has already begun and engaged by yourself.  You have [[courageously]], [[thoughtfully]], “engaged our [[conversation]].”  Our conversation through these [[dialogs]], through these question and answer special sessions, and you have begun to move ahead.  We knew of this coming [[event]] of your [[husband]] for some time, and your positioning and [[intelligence]] and [[education]] offered itself tremendously to this [[conversation]], these [[dialogs]] that we have.  “What’s next” has [[actually]] begun before his passage.  You are already on the way to the rest of your life’s [[career]] and your [[service]].  You have been led through these [[conversations]] of dealing with [[hospice]] and [[near death experience]]s, and the passage of [[death]] and dying that it presents.  You were [[prepared]] for this and we have used this [[experience]] in your life for the [[education]] of all people who [[read]] these and hear these [[transcripts]].  

   

   

You were not “used,” but you were a definite [Tool|implement]] in our toolbox of [[education]] for all of those who have and are and will [[experience]] the passage of a dear one.  It is [[essential]] that you and all others who will face this—as certainly all of you will—that [[death]] is simply a passage and that it is very [[personal]] when it is a loved one, as you have [[experienced]].  It will also become grossly [[personal]] when you have [[communities]] beside you who crossover [[simultaneously]], due to [[Catastrophism|disasters or cataclysms]].  These [[things]] you are unprepared for; we are [[assisting]] you with the “[[personal]],” because this is most [[intimate]] to you and everyone else.  

You were not “used,” but you were a definite [[Tool|implement]] in our toolbox of [[education]] for all of those who have and are and will [[experience]] the passage of a dear one.  It is [[essential]] that you and all others who will face this—as certainly all of you will—that [[death]] is simply a passage and that it is very [[personal]] when it is a loved one, as you have [[experienced]].  It will also become grossly [[personal]] when you have [[communities]] beside you who crossover [[simultaneously]], due to [[Catastrophism|disasters or cataclysms]].  These [[things]] you are unprepared for; we are [[assisting]] you with the “[[personal]],” because this is most [[intimate]] to you and everyone else.

 

===='''''[[Catastrophism]]'''''====

===='''''[[Catastrophism]]'''''====

*[[Preparation]] for the [[death]] of many

*[[Preparation]] for the [[death]] of many

   

   

The passage of many [[simultaneously]], as has occurred recently in the last few years in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans New Orleans] and the [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf Coast of the United States Southern Coast of the United States], and in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti Haiti], and in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile Chile], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia Indonesia], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan Pakistan], and the other places of tremendous geophysical [[tragedies]].  You have not a [[feeling]] for that yet here, in these [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States United States], though you must be [[prepared]] for this, as you must know that our [[work]] with you is to prepare you for that.  We have warned you generally of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataclysm cataclysms] to come, and so we would not be good [[teachers]] if we did not [[prepare]] you for this [[personally]] and [[publicly]].  

The passage of many [[simultaneously]], as has occurred recently in the last few years in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans New Orleans] and the [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Coast_of_the_United_States Southern Coast of the United States], and in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti Haiti], and in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile Chile], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia Indonesia], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan Pakistan], and the other places of tremendous geophysical [[tragedies]].  You have not a [[feeling]] for that yet here, in these [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States United States], though you must be [[prepared]] for this, as you must know that our [[work]] with you is to prepare you for that.  We have warned you generally of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataclysm cataclysms] to come, and so we would not be good [[teachers]] if we did not [[prepare]] you for this [[personally]] and [[publicly]].  

   

   

“What’s next,” is very clear:  I have spoken to you about this in the [[manuscript]] entitled, “[http://starbridgetrust.org/index.php?view=article&catid=8%3Atranscript-e-books&id=19%3Araphael-book&option=com_content&Itemid=15 Planetary Management and Global Sustainability],” (May 2007) which this one compiled and [[edited]] for us.  [It is available at http://www.starbridgetrust.org . Click on “[http://starbridgetrust.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=8&Itemid=15 Articles].”]  We are [[preparing]] you for this; we as [[Planetary]] Managers and [[Administrators]], would be negligent if we did not do so.  The end result, dear one, is that you are far better [[prepared]] for the [[future]], now, because of this, than without, and that the world’s [[population]] will be prepared as well.  Many will not [[prepare]] themselves but [[continue]] to live blithely as the summer roses and flowers bloom, never knowing the harshness of [[winter]] and [[death]].

“What’s next,” is very clear:  I have spoken to you about this in the [[manuscript]] entitled, “[https://starbridgetrust.org/index.php?view=article&catid=8%3Atranscript-e-books&id=19%3Araphael-book&option=com_content&Itemid=15 Planetary Management and Global Sustainability],” (May 2007) which this one compiled and [[edited]] for us.  [It is available at https://www.starbridgetrust.org . Click on “[https://starbridgetrust.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=8&Itemid=15 Articles].”]  We are [[preparing]] you for this; we as [[Planetary]] Managers and [[Administrators]], would be negligent if we did not do so.  The end result, dear one, is that you are far better [[prepared]] for the [[future]], now, because of this, than without, and that the world’s [[population]] will be prepared as well.  Many will not [[prepare]] themselves but [[continue]] to live blithely as the summer roses and flowers bloom, never knowing the harshness of [[winter]] and [[death]].

*Special [[relationship]] bonds in the [[afterlife]]

*Special [[relationship]] bonds in the [[afterlife]]

   

   

MONJORONSON:  It will be similar, and it will be [[different]], at the same time.  First of all, it will be a great [[reunion]] that you will have when you cross over and you are greeted by your loved ones.  After your “assembly” in the [[morontia]] receiving worlds, you will become part of an [[ascending]] class, of which your [[husband]] is a part now.  Yes, you will have a special [[relationship]], as there was a common [[shared]] [[history]] of [[memories]] and [[experiences]], from which you both will [[learn]] and can draw on for your [[lessons]] in your classes in the [[mansion world]] schools.  You will be classmates; you will be as though you were in a hallway in a high school, who are boyfriend/girlfriend; you will have that [[connection]] of oneness, of [[shared]] [[relationship]].  You will have commonalities that are peculiar and special to the [[two]] of you, but nonetheless which are also [[shared]] by billions of others in the schools at that [[time]], from their own lifetimes in their [[earthly]] [[experiences]].  You will surely [[recognize]] each other, and your [[commitment]] for this lifetime has been complete; your [[commitment]] will be [[shared]] in the [[future]] for your life of [[ascendant]] [[being]], and your [[commitment]] to your [[individual]] [[ascension]] [[plan]], that is [[shared]] with others and to your joint [[gratefulness]] to Christ [[Michael]] for having made your lives [[possible]].

MONJORONSON:  It will be similar, and it will be [[different]], at the same time.  First of all, it will be a great [[reunion]] that you will have when you cross over and you are greeted by your loved ones.  After your “assembly” in the [[morontia]] receiving worlds, you will become part of an [[ascending]] class, of which your [[husband]] is a part now.  Yes, you will have a special [[relationship]], as there was a common [[shared]] [[history]] of [[memories]] and [[experiences]], from which you both will [[learn]] and can draw on for your [[lessons]] in your classes in the [[mansion world]] schools.  You will be classmates; you will be as though you were in a hallway in a high school, who are boyfriend/girlfriend; you will have that [[connection]] of oneness, of [[shared]] [[relationship]].  You will have commonalities that are peculiar and special to the [[two]] of you, but nonetheless which are also [[shared]] by billions of others in the schools at that [[time]], from their own lifetimes in their [[earthly]] [[experiences]].  You will surely [[recognize]] each other, and your [[commitment]] for this lifetime has been complete; your [[commitment]] will be [[shared]] in the [[future]] for your life of [[ascendant]] [[being]], and your [[commitment]] to your [[individual]] [[ascension]] [[plan]], that is [[shared]] with others and to your joint [[gratefulness]] to Christ [[Michael]] for having made your lives [[possible]].

===='''''[[Stress]]'''''====

===='''''[[Stress]]'''''====

*Does [[God]] only give us as much as we can handle?

*Does [[God]] only give us as much as we can handle?

MONJORONSON:  Not entirely.  [[God]] has given you life and God has given you a fragment of itself as the [[Thought Adjuster]], that Mystery Monitor, that Father Fragment that resides with you in all [[eternity]].  There is an [[irony]] in this to some [[degree]], that you [[determine]] what you can overcome and what you cannot, what you [[choose]] to engage, and what you do not choose to engage.  Many with tremendous [[capacity]] and capabilities refuse to engage [[challenges]], which would bring them rapidly ahead in their [[spiritual]], [[emotional]] and [[social]] [[growth]].  What of them?  What of those?  And so, you dear one, by [[accepting]] many challenges, and not withering or withdrawing from them, you [[grow]] tremendously.  

MONJORONSON:  Not entirely.  [[God]] has given you life and God has given you a fragment of itself as the [[Thought Adjuster]], that Mystery Monitor, that Father Fragment that resides with you in all [[eternity]].  There is an [[irony]] in this to some [[degree]], that you [[determine]] what you can overcome and what you cannot, what you [[choose]] to engage, and what you do not choose to engage.  Many with tremendous [[capacity]] and capabilities refuse to engage [[challenges]], which would bring them rapidly ahead in their [[spiritual]], [[emotional]] and [[social]] [[growth]].  What of them?  What of those?  And so, you dear one, by [[accepting]] many challenges, and not withering or withdrawing from them, you [[grow]] tremendously.  

   

   

The hazard is that [[eager]] [[souls]] may be too immature to overcome the challenges that they see before them, and which they [[accept]] to [[engage]].  There are also [[lessons]] involved in that.  There are really no failures in life, only learned [[experiences]] of what works and what does not [[work]].  You generally—all people—are usually far too harsh on themselves for their “failures,” whereas these are simply signs, [[symbols]] and omens that say, “not this way, not at this [[time]].”  Surely [[God]] has given you—that is your [[Father]], Christ [[Michael]]—has given you tremendous [[opportunities]], through the [[creation]] of this world, and though there are tremendous [[difficulties]] which he did not [[plan]] for you, as in [[the Rebellion]] and withdrawal from [[commitment]] by your [[former]] [[Planetary Prince]], [[Caligastia]], and [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_67#67:2._THE_OUTBREAK_OF_REBELLION his staff], you are [[supported]] through all these.  

The hazard is that [[eager]] [[souls]] may be too immature to overcome the challenges that they see before them, and which they [[accept]] to [[engage]].  There are also [[lessons]] involved in that.  There are really no failures in life, only learned [[experiences]] of what works and what does not [[work]].  You generally—all people—are usually far too harsh on themselves for their “failures,” whereas these are simply signs, [[symbols]] and omens that say, “not this way, not at this [[time]].”  Surely [[God]] has given you—that is your [[Father]], Christ [[Michael]]—has given you tremendous [[opportunities]], through the [[creation]] of this world, and though there are tremendous [[difficulties]] which he did not [[plan]] for you, as in [[the Rebellion]] and withdrawal from [[commitment]] by your [[former]] [[Planetary Prince]], [[Caligastia]], and [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_66#66:2._THE_PRINCE.27S_STAFF his staff], you are [[supported]] through all these.  

   

   

You—and when I say “you,” I mean all [[humankind]]—have been fraught with [[challenges]], which were never [[planned]] for you [[individually]], or as a [[civilization]], that you must now come [[together]] within yourself as a [[person]], to draw your [[resources]] [[together]] to overcome these [[challenges]], and you [[collectively]], as a [[nation]] and as a [[civilization]], must also come draw your resources together to overcome the immense [[challenges]] which face your people on this world.  And, I am here to help you do that.

You—and when I say “you,” I mean all [[humankind]]—have been fraught with [[challenges]], which were never [[planned]] for you [[individually]], or as a [[civilization]], that you must now come [[together]] within yourself as a [[person]], to draw your [[resources]] [[together]] to overcome these [[challenges]], and you [[collectively]], as a [[nation]] and as a [[civilization]], must also come draw your resources together to overcome the immense [[challenges]] which face your people on this world.  And, I am here to help you do that.

===='''''[[Security]]'''''====

===='''''[[Security]]'''''====

*Are we given protection during these [[difficulties]]?

*Are we given protection during these [[difficulties]]?

Vicki:  I’m going to get into some questions that are less global, again.  Monjoronson, do our deceased loved ones experience sorrow over the abrupt ending of their [[material]] lives?

Vicki:  I’m going to get into some questions that are less global, again.  Monjoronson, do our deceased loved ones experience sorrow over the abrupt ending of their [[material]] lives?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  No, they do not.  What they [[feel]] is oftentimes is like they [[wake]] up to a [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur non-sequitur].  There is a very distinct disjuncture from their prior [[experiences]].  Their [[state]] of [[existence]] is so abruptly changed from the past that sorrow is not one of them.  Sorrow indicates a disappointment or loss of attachment, whereas when a [[person]] is deceased and becomes [[aware]]—and many do not become aware that they are deceased for some time—that when they become [[aware]] of their [[existence]], they know it is separate and apart from that which was, and that they take great [[joy]] and [[awe]] in their next few steps of this [[journey]].  It is one of [[wonderment]] and [[joy]].  There is a [[wonderment]] in the inexplicable, the [[unknown]], but delightful passage forward that they are underway.

MONJORONSON:  No, they do not.  What they [[feel]] is oftentimes is like they [[wake]] up to a [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur non-sequitur].  There is a very distinct disjuncture from their prior [[experiences]].  Their [[state]] of [[existence]] is so abruptly changed from the past that sorrow is not one of them.  Sorrow indicates a disappointment or loss of attachment, whereas when a [[person]] is deceased and becomes [[aware]]—and many do not become aware that they are deceased for some time—that when they become [[aware]] of their [[existence]], they know it is separate and apart from that which was, and that they take great [[joy]] and [[awe]] in their next few steps of this [[journey]].  It is one of [[wonderment]] and [[joy]].  There is a [[wonderment]] in the inexplicable, the [[unknown]], but delightful passage forward that they are underway.

   

   

Vicki:  When they see us in our sorrow, they do not cry or [[suffer]] with us, is that correct?

Vicki:  When they see us in our sorrow, they do not cry or [[suffer]] with us, is that correct?

Vicki:  That leads me to another question that I have, and that is that I believe Daniel received a bit of [[information]] for me on this, but I thought for the [[audience]], it might be important to revisit.  Apart from [[accidents]] in time, does one [[choose]] their [[time]] of [[death]]?

Vicki:  That leads me to another question that I have, and that is that I believe Daniel received a bit of [[information]] for me on this, but I thought for the [[audience]], it might be important to revisit.  Apart from [[accidents]] in time, does one [[choose]] their [[time]] of [[death]]?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, this is an [[agreed]] upon [[development]] between the [[soul]], [[personality]] of the [[individual]] and the [[Thought Adjuster]].  This is a [[three]]-way [[decision]] that is made.  There is the arrangement for the completion of the [[course]] of one’s life, the [[learning]] of [[lessons]] and that of being of [[service]].  Truly [[mature]] [[souls]] [[understand]] this before they come to this lifetime, and as they [[grow]] in their [[development]], they re-establish that [[agreement]] [and] choose to live with [[intention]] and they choose to die with intention.  [See section on “young and old souls” in [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Monjoronson_Special_Session_9-2010-03-29 Special Session #9, Mar. 29, 2010]]

MONJORONSON:  Yes, this is an [[agreed]] upon [[development]] between the [[soul]], [[personality]] of the [[individual]] and the [[Thought Adjuster]].  This is a [[three]]-way [[decision]] that is made.  There is the arrangement for the completion of the [[course]] of one’s life, the [[learning]] of [[lessons]] and that of being of [[service]].  Truly [[mature]] [[souls]] [[understand]] this before they come to this lifetime, and as they [[grow]] in their [[development]], they re-establish that [[agreement]] [and] choose to live with [[intention]] and they choose to die with intention.  [See section on “young and old souls” in [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Monjoronson_Special_Session_9-2010-03-29 Special Session #9, Mar. 29, 2010]]

   

   

The truly [[Maturity|evolved]] [[individual]] makes the [[intention]] to live as long as they can [[learn]] lessons and be of [[service]] to others, and once that has occurred, they [[choose]] to exit this lifetime.  You have seen very often in [[friends]], [[families]] and acquaintances, those whose life seems to have come to completion and they cross over.  Their [[work]] is done; they have finished the [[course]] of their life, the race is done, and so they cross the finish line and move on.  

The truly [[Maturity|evolved]] [[individual]] makes the [[intention]] to live as long as they can [[learn]] lessons and be of [[service]] to others, and once that has occurred, they [[choose]] to exit this lifetime.  You have seen very often in [[friends]], [[families]] and acquaintances, those whose life seems to have come to completion and they cross over.  Their [[work]] is done; they have finished the [[course]] of their life, the race is done, and so they cross the finish line and move on.  

Living with ongoing, enduring [[stress]] is truly detrimental to your [[physical]] [[body]], and does [[prepare]] the way for early passage.  Lives that are under [[stress]] deteriorate much more rapidly as there is a [[toxic]] [[energy]] in the [[individual]], which [[work]]s against the [[body]] [[mechanism]].  Truly the [[body]] can only live in the [[now]], and when the [[mind]] struggles with the [[past]] and the [[future]], then the [[body]], which lives in the now, [[suffers]].

Living with ongoing, enduring [[stress]] is truly detrimental to your [[physical]] [[body]], and does [[prepare]] the way for early passage.  Lives that are under [[stress]] deteriorate much more rapidly as there is a [[toxic]] [[energy]] in the [[individual]], which [[work]]s against the [[body]] [[mechanism]].  Truly the [[body]] can only live in the [[now]], and when the [[mind]] struggles with the [[past]] and the [[future]], then the [[body]], which lives in the now, [[suffers]].

   

   

Vicki:  Some in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization Mayan culture] claim that during [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient ancient times], when past [[catastrophic]] [[events]] occurred, [[fear]] was a major killer.  Was this a valid [[assumption]]?

Vicki:  Some in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization Mayan culture] claim that during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient ancient times], when past [[catastrophic]] [[events]] occurred, [[fear]] was a major killer.  Was this a valid [[assumption]]?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Very much so.  [[Fear]] is a great stressor.

MONJORONSON:  Very much so.  [[Fear]] is a great stressor.

Vicki:  (Laughing)  That’s what I was [[wondering]]!  The [[negative]] [[emotions]] of [[anger]], resentment, vengeance, [[guilt]], and [[shame]] seem to [[surface]] more frequently in those who are [[grieving]] the loss of a loved one.  Could you speak to this?

Vicki:  (Laughing)  That’s what I was [[wondering]]!  The [[negative]] [[emotions]] of [[anger]], resentment, vengeance, [[guilt]], and [[shame]] seem to [[surface]] more frequently in those who are [[grieving]] the loss of a loved one.  Could you speak to this?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  And this situation was addressed by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_K%C3%BCbler-Ross Elizabeth Kübler Ross] in her [[book]], “[http://books.google.com/books?id=ar2lqlxsHeQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=on+death+and+dying&hl=en&ei=qtEaTOOrFMK88gbd8tXFCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Death and Dying].”  That these [[emotions]] [[surface]] because of the loss of a loved one, that inexplicitly this [[individual]] is no longer there, as though they had abdicated willfully and [[intentionally]] their lifetime, and from the one who is left.  There is a sense of [[betrayal]]; there is a sense of neglect and a loss of [[commitment ]] by the one who is left.  Various [[interpretations]] run through their [[mind]] about the [[cause]]s of that, and then there is the [[emotional]] [[reaction]] to those and that situation.  So these [[negative]] [[emotions]] are part of the [[emotional]] roller coaster that loved ones feel when they are left behind.  It is a [[natural]], [[emotional]] [[developmental]] [[process]]: it is one to be [[appreciated]]; it is one to be [[accepted]], knowing that tomorrow is another day and you will feel [[differently]], and [[eventually]] these [[thoughts]] of [[betrayal]] and of loss will resurface as [[feelings]] of long-term [[commitment]], [[love]], [[loyalty]] and [[appreciation]].

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  And this situation was addressed by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_K%C3%BCbler-Ross Elizabeth Kübler Ross] in her [[book]], “[https://books.google.com/books?id=ar2lqlxsHeQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=on+death+and+dying&hl=en&ei=qtEaTOOrFMK88gbd8tXFCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Death and Dying].”  That these [[emotions]] [[surface]] because of the loss of a loved one, that inexplicitly this [[individual]] is no longer there, as though they had abdicated willfully and [[intentionally]] their lifetime, and from the one who is left.  There is a sense of [[betrayal]]; there is a sense of neglect and a loss of [[commitment ]] by the one who is left.  Various [[interpretations]] run through their [[mind]] about the [[cause]]s of that, and then there is the [[emotional]] [[reaction]] to those and that situation.  So these [[negative]] [[emotions]] are part of the [[emotional]] roller coaster that loved ones feel when they are left behind.  It is a [[natural]], [[emotional]] [[developmental]] [[process]]: it is one to be [[appreciated]]; it is one to be [[accepted]], knowing that tomorrow is another day and you will feel [[differently]], and [[eventually]] these [[thoughts]] of [[betrayal]] and of loss will resurface as [[feelings]] of long-term [[commitment]], [[love]], [[loyalty]] and [[appreciation]].

   

   

Vicki:  I’d just like to say at this point, Monjoronson, I’ve noticed tremendous [[transformations]] in people that were close to me through this recent [[grieving]] [[process]].  I saw those who I had [[shared]] these Q & A sessions with coming on board with a new sense of acknowledgement and [[belief]], and I saw tremendous movement of [[unity]] toward one another.  I don’t know if you want to comment on that, but I felt that it was so ''beautiful''!  These [[insights]] were coming to me quickly and very early in the [[process]], and as I watched this [[growth]] occur around me, I felt it should be part of our session today.

Vicki:  I’d just like to say at this point, Monjoronson, I’ve noticed tremendous [[transformations]] in people that were close to me through this recent [[grieving]] [[process]].  I saw those who I had [[shared]] these Q & A sessions with coming on board with a new sense of acknowledgement and [[belief]], and I saw tremendous movement of [[unity]] toward one another.  I don’t know if you want to comment on that, but I felt that it was so ''beautiful''!  These [[insights]] were coming to me quickly and very early in the [[process]], and as I watched this [[growth]] occur around me, I felt it should be part of our session today.

Vicki:  And of course my sister, who is with me here, and has been by my side through all of this, and I am so grateful for her, is pretty gifted in this.  So I’ve been fortunate enough to have that [[experience]]

Vicki:  And of course my sister, who is with me here, and has been by my side through all of this, and I am so grateful for her, is pretty gifted in this.  So I’ve been fortunate enough to have that [[experience]]

   

   

“Let there be spaces in your [[togetherness]].” ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahlil_Gibran Khalil Gibran])

“Let there be spaces in your [[togetherness]].” ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahlil_Gibran Khalil Gibran])

   

   

Vicki:  I have one more question or comment, and it is about “moving on.”  In his [[book]], the [[author]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahlil_Gibran Khalil Gibran], suggested to couples in [[relationships]], “Let there be spaces in your togetherness.”  This has been a [[guiding]] piece of [[wisdom]] that my [[husband]] and I have [[grown]] into, as our [[relationship]] [[matured]].  And now, in facing this grieving period and loss, I’m [[thinking]] that this may serve me in my [[ability]] to move on.  Could you comment on this?

Vicki:  I have one more question or comment, and it is about “moving on.”  In his [[book]], the [[author]], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahlil_Gibran Khalil Gibran], suggested to couples in [[relationships]], “Let there be spaces in your togetherness.”  This has been a [[guiding]] piece of [[wisdom]] that my [[husband]] and I have [[grown]] into, as our [[relationship]] [[matured]].  And now, in facing this grieving period and loss, I’m [[thinking]] that this may serve me in my [[ability]] to move on.  Could you comment on this?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, you and your [[husband]] had a [[wonderfully]] [[healthy]] and [[developing]] [[relationship]] by having those spaces, those open times where you were not in constant [[contact]], where you gave each other permission to be apart, and knowing that in your being apart you were not at a loss without the other, that you were not rejected, but that you were given [[opportunity]] to [[experience]] yourself, as yourself, out of [[relationship]], but knowing that the relationship was safe, otherwise.  You do not need to worry about this, or concern yourself.  Know that [[Michael]] in many ways has now given you a final open [[space]] in which you can fully [[explore]] yourself to the utmost.  You have a permission to now know yourself in ways which you did not.  Not that you need to be [[monastic]] in any way, but that you have now an [[opportunity]] for [[reverential]] reverie, a time of [[reverie]] that you can [[experience]] repeatedly, in an ongoing way.  Know that his [[support]] is with you; know that you are given support by your [[unseen]] helpers in ways which are also [[intimate]] and distant.  Enjoy these and take advantage of the [[contact]] as you wish.

MONJORONSON:  Yes, you and your [[husband]] had a [[wonderfully]] [[healthy]] and [[developing]] [[relationship]] by having those spaces, those open times where you were not in constant [[contact]], where you gave each other permission to be apart, and knowing that in your being apart you were not at a loss without the other, that you were not rejected, but that you were given [[opportunity]] to [[experience]] yourself, as yourself, out of [[relationship]], but knowing that the relationship was safe, otherwise.  You do not need to worry about this, or concern yourself.  Know that [[Michael]] in many ways has now given you a final open [[space]] in which you can fully [[explore]] yourself to the utmost.  You have a permission to now know yourself in ways which you did not.  Not that you need to be [[monastic]] in any way, but that you have now an [[opportunity]] for [[reverential]] reverie, a time of [[reverie]] that you can [[experience]] repeatedly, in an ongoing way.  Know that his [[support]] is with you; know that you are given support by your [[unseen]] helpers in ways which are also [[intimate]] and distant.  Enjoy these and take advantage of the [[contact]] as you wish.