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==Session==

==Session==

===Opening===

===Opening===

Vicki:  Dear [[Universal Father|Father]], we ask to enter again into your [[protective]] fold as you [[encircuit]] us with your [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_56#56:10._TRUTH.2C_BEAUTY.2C_AND_GOODNESS truth, beauty and goodness].  We [[pray]] that all who hear this will call upon the [[Spirit of Truth]] as they [[discern]] and that they are [[enlightened]] by the [[words]] of our [[Magisterial Son]] and guide, [[Monjoronson]], along with the other members of his staff.  We once again approach this special session with [[humility]] and [[gratitude]] for this [[opportunity]].  [[Amen]]

Vicki:  Dear [[Universal Father|Father]], we ask to enter again into your [[protective]] fold as you [[encircuit]] us with your [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_56#56:10._TRUTH.2C_BEAUTY.2C_AND_GOODNESS truth, beauty and goodness].  We [[pray]] that all who hear this will call upon the [[Spirit of Truth]] as they [[discern]] and that they are [[enlightened]] by the [[words]] of our [[Magisterial Son]] and guide, [[Monjoronson]], along with the other members of his staff.  We once again approach this special session with [[humility]] and [[gratitude]] for this [[opportunity]].  [[Amen]]

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Good morning, this is Monjoronson.  (Good morning, Monjoronson.)  Our [[work]] moves ahead as you are seeing.  [[Events]] of the world are moving rapidly such that your work will be [[appreciated]] by many.  Once these [[tragic]] distractions gain [[momentum]], the masses of men, people everywhere will move from the tragedies to seeking [[facets]] of [[hope]], elements that will help them [[materially]], [[socially]], [[emotionally]] and [[spiritually]].  We know of the [[human]] spirit that it takes a great deal to move the [[attention]] of [[individuals]] from the [[Physical|outer]] to the [[Inner Life|inner]]—the resources outside, to the [[resources]] inside.  The material outside world has always provided [[distraction]]s when times are [[good]], but the approach of [[difficult]] times where the [[material]] world becomes disordered and [[chaotic]] [[causes]] [[humans]] to look elsewhere for the [[resources]] of [[hope]], [[peace]], and [[order]].

MONJORONSON:  Good morning, this is Monjoronson.  (Good morning, Monjoronson.)  Our [[work]] moves ahead as you are seeing.  [[Events]] of the world are moving rapidly such that your work will be [[appreciated]] by many.  Once these [[tragic]] distractions gain [[momentum]], the masses of men, people everywhere will move from the tragedies to seeking [[facets]] of [[hope]], elements that will help them [[materially]], [[socially]], [[emotionally]] and [[spiritually]].  We know of the [[human]] spirit that it takes a great deal to move the [[attention]] of [[individuals]] from the [[Physical|outer]] to the [[Inner Life|inner]]—the resources outside, to the [[resources]] inside.  The material outside world has always provided [[distraction]]s when times are [[good]], but the approach of [[difficult]] times where the [[material]] world becomes disordered and [[chaotic]] [[causes]] [[humans]] to look elsewhere for the [[resources]] of [[hope]], [[peace]], and [[order]].

*Seeking refuge in the embrace of the God presence within

*Seeking refuge in the embrace of the God presence within

   

   

Those who are [[resistant]] to [[being]] led by [[spirit]], to [[discovery]] of the [[presence]] of the [[Creator]] within themselves, take longer to go within and seek that [[resource]].  For you who are so [[aware]] of the [[Creator]]’s [[presence]], the [[Thought Adjuster|God presence]] within each of you, and have [[awakened]] to that [[relationship]], go there [[immediately]] in [[good]] times and in those times that are tough.  You will not see a large turning of the [[public]] to your [[work]] until the [[events]] of the world become [[tragic]].  Even the events of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrican_Katrina hurricane Katrina], the cataclysmic [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Pakistan_earthquake earthquakes in Pakistan], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake Chile], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2010_Sumatra_earthquake Indonesia] and elsewhere have been insufficient to sway the global [[population]] to seek refuge in the [[embrace]] of the [[God]] [[presence]] within them, and to [[engage]] that in [[active]] [[relationship]].

Those who are [[resistant]] to [[being]] led by [[spirit]], to [[discovery]] of the [[presence]] of the [[Creator]] within themselves, take longer to go within and seek that [[resource]].  For you who are so [[aware]] of the [[Creator]]’s [[presence]], the [[Thought Adjuster|God presence]] within each of you, and have [[awakened]] to that [[relationship]], go there [[immediately]] in [[good]] times and in those times that are tough.  You will not see a large turning of the [[public]] to your [[work]] until the [[events]] of the world become [[tragic]].  Even the events of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrican_Katrina hurricane Katrina], the cataclysmic [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Pakistan_earthquake earthquakes in Pakistan], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake Chile], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2010_Sumatra_earthquake Indonesia] and elsewhere have been insufficient to sway the global [[population]] to seek refuge in the [[embrace]] of the [[God]] [[presence]] within them, and to [[engage]] that in [[active]] [[relationship]].

   

   

It has taken centuries for your [[cultures]] to get to this [[spiritually]] [[isolated]] place, and it will take an equally long summation of [[difficulties]] to move them to this [[universal]] [[center]], where they can find [[peace]], [[hope]], and [[expectations]] of better days.  My [[friends]], you will have [[prepared]] the [[foundation]] for the [[education]] of the masses through these [[transcripts]], through the classes that have been taught by the hundreds upon hundreds of [[Teacher Corps|celestial teachers]] in the [[Teaching Mission]].  Now, through the [[Magisterial Mission]], you will be teaching the [[masses]] again, how to have an operational, [[functional]] [[relationship]] on a daily and [[moment]]-to-moment basis.  The [[presence]] of [[God]] is always here, always present, never wavering, never [[absent]], though those of you who have kept this [[vigil]] with [[God]] are a [[light]] to light in the world, with those who [[assist]] us as you do, and we give [[thanks]].

It has taken centuries for your [[cultures]] to get to this [[spiritually]] [[isolated]] place, and it will take an equally long summation of [[difficulties]] to move them to this [[universal]] [[center]], where they can find [[peace]], [[hope]], and [[expectations]] of better days.  My [[friends]], you will have [[prepared]] the [[foundation]] for the [[education]] of the masses through these [[transcripts]], through the classes that have been taught by the hundreds upon hundreds of [[Teacher Corps|celestial teachers]] in the [[Teaching Mission]].  Now, through the [[Magisterial Mission]], you will be teaching the [[masses]] again, how to have an operational, [[functional]] [[relationship]] on a daily and [[moment]]-to-moment basis.  The [[presence]] of [[God]] is always here, always present, never wavering, never [[absent]], though those of you who have kept this [[vigil]] with [[God]] are a [[light]] to light in the world, with those who [[assist]] us as you do, and we give [[thanks]].

Vicki:  Thank you, Monjoronson.  First, a [[clarifying]] question, and this is directed to something that [[Charles]] [[discussed]] with us recently.  In one of his recent [[transmissions]], Charles [[discussed]] the [[fact]] that due to some of our [[genetic]] makeup, some [[Urantia]]ns are unable to hear [[spiritual]] [[beings]] as well as others.  We have kind of known this for a while, but recently a [[reader]] in our [[audience]] was [[connecting]] that with a certain [[race]], and this didn’t ring true, and so I was [[wondering]] if you could [[clarify]] that for us.  Is it certain races that will [[struggle]] to hear specific [[beings]], or is it a [[different]] [[factor]] of our [[genetic]] makeup?

Vicki:  Thank you, Monjoronson.  First, a [[clarifying]] question, and this is directed to something that [[Charles]] [[discussed]] with us recently.  In one of his recent [[transmissions]], Charles [[discussed]] the [[fact]] that due to some of our [[genetic]] makeup, some [[Urantia]]ns are unable to hear [[spiritual]] [[beings]] as well as others.  We have kind of known this for a while, but recently a [[reader]] in our [[audience]] was [[connecting]] that with a certain [[race]], and this didn’t ring true, and so I was [[wondering]] if you could [[clarify]] that for us.  Is it certain races that will [[struggle]] to hear specific [[beings]], or is it a [[different]] [[factor]] of our [[genetic]] makeup?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  I will be glad to answer the question.  The [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_78#78:1._RACIAL_AND_CULTURAL_DISTRIBUTION races of Urantia] are broadly admixed.  There are only [[rare]] pockets of partial racial [[purity]] remaining in your world.  That [[majority]]—over 99%--of your global [[population]] is [[Amalgamation|admixed]] enough to have [[genetic]] strains from all other races.  Yet, it is not that there are races that are totally lacking, or merely lacking, but that some strains of races have had the advantage of greater [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_78#PAPER_78:_THE_VIOLET_RACE_AFTER_THE_DAYS_OF_ADAM Adamic genetic deposition] in their [[DNA|genetic code]].  All races have a [[capacity]] to speak with us, with [[spiritual]] [[beings]], to have a [[personal]] [[relationship]].  However, it is on the [[individual]] basis where you see extreme variations.  Are you following me so far?  Where the [[races]] are generally, completely [[admixed]] racially through millions of people, [[virtually]] everyone has the [[capacity]] to [[communicate]] with us, but that [[individually]] there are exceptions to this.  Do you follow this?

MONJORONSON:  I will be glad to answer the question.  The [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_78#78:1._RACIAL_AND_CULTURAL_DISTRIBUTION races of Urantia] are broadly admixed.  There are only [[rare]] pockets of partial racial [[purity]] remaining in your world.  That [[majority]]—over 99%--of your global [[population]] is [[Amalgamation|admixed]] enough to have [[genetic]] strains from all other races.  Yet, it is not that there are races that are totally lacking, or merely lacking, but that some strains of races have had the advantage of greater [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_78#PAPER_78:_THE_VIOLET_RACE_AFTER_THE_DAYS_OF_ADAM Adamic genetic deposition] in their [[DNA|genetic code]].  All races have a [[capacity]] to speak with us, with [[spiritual]] [[beings]], to have a [[personal]] [[relationship]].  However, it is on the [[individual]] basis where you see extreme variations.  Are you following me so far?  Where the [[races]] are generally, completely [[admixed]] racially through millions of people, [[virtually]] everyone has the [[capacity]] to [[communicate]] with us, but that [[individually]] there are exceptions to this.  Do you follow this?

   

   

Vicki:  Yes, I do follow this and that has pretty much been my [[perception]], that we are broadly [[admixed]] at this point in our [[evolution]], and so some of those [[discussions]], for instance in the [[Urantia Book]], don’t quite apply as much as they did when the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_64 races] were first created.  Would you [[agree]] with that?

Vicki:  Yes, I do follow this and that has pretty much been my [[perception]], that we are broadly [[admixed]] at this point in our [[evolution]], and so some of those [[discussions]], for instance in the [[Urantia Book]], don’t quite apply as much as they did when the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_64 races] were first created.  Would you [[agree]] with that?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.

MONJORONSON:  Yes.

MONJORONSON:  Yes.

   

   

Vicki:  In our [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Transcending_Death_and_Grief-2010-05-07 special session #12], you were talking about the [[beliefs]] that many of us have about [[spiritism]], some of which are harmful.  You mentioned that there’s great [[confusion]] on our world about this realm of [[spiritual]] [[entities]], that leads to inappropriate [[beliefs]] of the [[occult]], both positively and negatively, that these harmful [[beliefs]] in [[spiritism]] are highly detrimental to an [[organized]] [[effective]] life of [[spiritual]] [[growth]], and that we’ve had too much occupation and [[thought]] spent in this realm that is only a bus stop on the way to our [[morontial]] realm after [[mortal]] life.  I’m [[feeling]] that as we enter this more [[intense]] [[transitional]] period, that many of the [[Urantia]]ns on our [[earth]] are going to be relying on what they’ve seen in these [[movies]] and these [[books]] as [[reality]].  They are going to have really [[distorted]] renditions of these [[experiences]], and so I [[thought]] today might be a good time for you to give us more specifics on how we should view these [[things]].

Vicki:  In our [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Transcending_Death_and_Grief-2010-05-07 special session #12], you were talking about the [[beliefs]] that many of us have about [[spiritism]], some of which are harmful.  You mentioned that there’s great [[confusion]] on our world about this realm of [[spiritual]] [[entities]], that leads to inappropriate [[beliefs]] of the [[occult]], both positively and negatively, that these harmful [[beliefs]] in [[spiritism]] are highly detrimental to an [[organized]] [[effective]] life of [[spiritual]] [[growth]], and that we’ve had too much occupation and [[thought]] spent in this realm that is only a bus stop on the way to our [[morontial]] realm after [[mortal]] life.  I’m [[feeling]] that as we enter this more [[intense]] [[transitional]] period, that many of the [[Urantia]]ns on our [[earth]] are going to be relying on what they’ve seen in these [[movies]] and these [[books]] as [[reality]].  They are going to have really [[distorted]] renditions of these [[experiences]], and so I [[thought]] today might be a good time for you to give us more specifics on how we should view these [[things]].

===='''''[[Personality]]'''''====

===='''''[[Personality]]'''''====

*The investment of life

*The investment of life

   

   

MONJORONSON:  I would be glad to.  It is good to finally present a fuller [[spectrum]] of [[explanation]] for [[spiritual]] [[existence]], to counter the [[media]] misinformation and [[fiction]] that has been generated through [[writers]] for radio, television, [[movies]] and videos, and so on.  A full [[explanation]] would take a [[book]] the size of the [[Urantia Book]] to fully explain, but I will give you a very brief, and still a marginal explanation of that [[spectrum]].  I will not cover the period of [[time]] before [[birth]], or [[conception]], and the time before the [[investment]] of [[personality]] and life.  Is that clear?  (Yes.  That’s fine.)  So, when something occurs, there is the [[investment]] of life.  No matter how many sheep, monkeys and [[humans]] are [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning cloned], the life [[investment]] is always given from outside.  [[Personality]] is always given outside.  It does not matter that [[conception]] occurs in a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_ test tube], or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_fertilization in utero], it is a life and when a life comes into [[existence]], it [[automatically]] is [[invested]] with [[personality]] if it is [[human]].

MONJORONSON:  I would be glad to.  It is good to finally present a fuller [[spectrum]] of [[explanation]] for [[spiritual]] [[existence]], to counter the [[media]] misinformation and [[fiction]] that has been generated through [[writers]] for radio, television, [[movies]] and videos, and so on.  A full [[explanation]] would take a [[book]] the size of the [[Urantia Book]] to fully explain, but I will give you a very brief, and still a marginal explanation of that [[spectrum]].  I will not cover the period of [[time]] before [[birth]], or [[conception]], and the time before the [[investment]] of [[personality]] and life.  Is that clear?  (Yes.  That’s fine.)  So, when something occurs, there is the [[investment]] of life.  No matter how many sheep, monkeys and [[humans]] are [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning cloned], the life [[investment]] is always given from outside.  [[Personality]] is always given outside.  It does not matter that [[conception]] occurs in a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_ test tube], or [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_fertilization in utero], it is a life and when a life comes into [[existence]], it [[automatically]] is [[invested]] with [[personality]] if it is [[human]].

===='''''[[Free will]]'''''====

===='''''[[Free will]]'''''====

*Making the supreme decision

*Making the supreme decision

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Though the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant infant] [[child]] [[develops]] at the time of the first [[moral]] [[decision]], where the child consciously [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_108#108:2._PREREQUISITES_OF_ADJUSTER_INDWELLING chooses] between that which is right, and that which is wrong, is then [[invested]] with the Spirit of [[God]], the [[Thought Adjuster]], who remains with that [[individual]] until they either die or refuse to live in [[Harmony|concert]] with it, making their lives infertile and [[sterile]] to the [[presence]] of [[God]], whereupon the [[Thought Adjuster]] leaves the [[presence]] of that [[individual]], and they are to all [[intents]] and [[purposes]], [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_112#112:3._THE_PHENOMENON_OF_DEATH soul dead].

MONJORONSON:  Though the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant infant] [[child]] [[develops]] at the time of the first [[moral]] [[decision]], where the child consciously [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_108#108:2._PREREQUISITES_OF_ADJUSTER_INDWELLING chooses] between that which is right, and that which is wrong, is then [[invested]] with the Spirit of [[God]], the [[Thought Adjuster]], who remains with that [[individual]] until they either die or refuse to live in [[Harmony|concert]] with it, making their lives infertile and [[sterile]] to the [[presence]] of [[God]], whereupon the [[Thought Adjuster]] leaves the [[presence]] of that [[individual]], and they are to all [[intents]] and [[purposes]], [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_112#112:3._THE_PHENOMENON_OF_DEATH soul dead].

   

   

A [[person]] lives, [[grows]] and [[influences]] that which comes into [[being]] after [[death]].  [[Attitudes]], [[prejudices]], biased [[beliefs]], hatreds and so on, affect what comes to be.  Attachments to the [[material]] realm, whether it is [[material]], [[social]], [[intellectual]], [[emotional]] or with [[relationships]] are [[factors]] which [[affect]] how the [[individual]] moves through their [[spiritual career]] after [[death]], and can make [[decisions]] in the [[mortal]] lifetime to refuse to go on.  That [[decision]] must be reviewed in the [[light]] of [[morontial]] [[existence]] after [[death]], where there is greater [[knowledge]] of the [[repercussions]] of that [[decision]].  That [[decision]] to not go on into an [[infinite]] [[ascendant career]], the [[decision]] is permanent.  If there is any [[hope]] at all that the [[individual]] may rescind that [[decision]], their [[morontial]] life, [[spiritual]] life is [[maintained]].  Always will the [[individual]] be given time to [[change]] their [[mind]], if there is any [[hope]] at all.  If they have made an adamant, unswerving [[decision]] to refuse to go on, then they are made as though they never were.

A [[person]] lives, [[grows]] and [[influences]] that which comes into [[being]] after [[death]].  [[Attitudes]], [[prejudices]], biased [[beliefs]], hatreds and so on, affect what comes to be.  Attachments to the [[material]] realm, whether it is [[material]], [[social]], [[intellectual]], [[emotional]] or with [[relationships]] are [[factors]] which [[affect]] how the [[individual]] moves through their [[spiritual career]] after [[death]], and can make [[decisions]] in the [[mortal]] lifetime to refuse to go on.  That [[decision]] must be reviewed in the [[light]] of [[morontial]] [[existence]] after [[death]], where there is greater [[knowledge]] of the [[repercussions]] of that [[decision]].  That [[decision]] to not go on into an [[infinite]] [[ascendant career]], the [[decision]] is permanent.  If there is any [[hope]] at all that the [[individual]] may rescind that [[decision]], their [[morontial]] life, [[spiritual]] life is [[maintained]].  Always will the [[individual]] be given time to [[change]] their [[mind]], if there is any [[hope]] at all.  If they have made an adamant, unswerving [[decision]] to refuse to go on, then they are made as though they never were.

*Sleeping survivors

*Sleeping survivors

   

   

It is at this point that we will now [[discuss]] the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_30#30:4._THE_ASCENDING_MORTALS sleeping survivors].  “What about the sleeping survivors?”, many of you have asked.  Okay, you [[realize]] that there may be [[incarnate]] earthbound [[spirits]], now what about the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_30#30:4._THE_ASCENDING_MORTALS sleeping survivors]?  The sleeping survivors are those [[individuals]] who have an [[ignorance]], have not made a [[decision]] about this life’s [[relationship]] with the [[afterlife]]; they are in [[ignorance]] and have not been taught that there is an [[afterlife]], ignorance that they do not have the [[Free will|will]], or their will is ineffective to [[affect]] the [[course]] of their life in the [[afterlife]].  There are those who have neither made a [[commitment]] to stay or to go.  They are neither [[possessed]] by their possessions, or their [[social]] [[relationships]], or they are unaware of the [[option]] to move on into an [[afterlife]].  These are the [[spiritually]] [[ignorant]]; they are waiting for the end of the [[dispensation]] where they will be [[Resurrection|arisen]], [[transported]] to the [[morontial]] realm, [[educated]] and there can make a [[decision]] about whether to continue into the [[afterlife]] or not.  

It is at this point that we will now [[discuss]] the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_30#30:4._THE_ASCENDING_MORTALS sleeping survivors].  “What about the sleeping survivors?”, many of you have asked.  Okay, you [[realize]] that there may be [[incarnate]] earthbound [[spirits]], now what about the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_30#30:4._THE_ASCENDING_MORTALS sleeping survivors]?  The sleeping survivors are those [[individuals]] who have an [[ignorance]], have not made a [[decision]] about this life’s [[relationship]] with the [[afterlife]]; they are in [[ignorance]] and have not been taught that there is an [[afterlife]], ignorance that they do not have the [[Free will|will]], or their will is ineffective to [[affect]] the [[course]] of their life in the [[afterlife]].  There are those who have neither made a [[commitment]] to stay or to go.  They are neither [[possessed]] by their possessions, or their [[social]] [[relationships]], or they are unaware of the [[option]] to move on into an [[afterlife]].  These are the [[spiritually]] [[ignorant]]; they are waiting for the end of the [[dispensation]] where they will be [[Resurrection|arisen]], [[transported]] to the [[morontial]] realm, [[educated]] and there can make a [[decision]] about whether to continue into the [[afterlife]] or not.  

   

   

Some of you will not be able to [[relate]] to this either, but if many of you have been [[unconscious]]—have had a [[concussion]], you have come out of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery surgery], you have come [[awake]] after some [[accident]] or something has happened and you are given time to recover, to [[orient]] yourself—sometimes this takes six minutes, other times takes hours, some days, weeks or months even, until you are completely [[aware]] of your [[surroundings]].  Now, in this [[metaphor]] I give you, it is very close to what occurs in the [[afterlife]] in the resurrection halls on mansonia.  Now, if you come out of surgery and you are groggy, and somebody comes into your life, up to your bedside and says, “Wow!  How would you like to go out and buy a new car right now—it is already paid for.  What do you say?”  And you look up at them and you are groggy, your eyes are half open and you are really not comprehending what they are saying.  You hear the words, but they do not connect to where you are or your situation, and besides, you are pretty well contained to your hospital bed.  

Some of you will not be able to [[relate]] to this either, but if many of you have been [[unconscious]]—have had a [[concussion]], you have come out of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery surgery], you have come [[awake]] after some [[accident]] or something has happened and you are given time to recover, to [[orient]] yourself—sometimes this takes six minutes, other times takes hours, some days, weeks or months even, until you are completely [[aware]] of your [[surroundings]].  Now, in this [[metaphor]] I give you, it is very close to what occurs in the [[afterlife]] in the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_47_-_The_Seven_Mansion_Worlds#47:3_THE_FIRST_MANSION_WORLD resurrection halls on mansonia].  Now, if you come out of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery surgery] and you are groggy, and somebody comes into your life, up to your bedside and says, “Wow!  How would you like to go out and buy a new car right now—it is already paid for.  What do you say?”  And you look up at them and you are groggy, your eyes are half open and you are really not [[comprehending]] what they are saying.  You hear the [[words]], but they do not [[connect]] to where you are or your situation, and besides, you are pretty well contained to your hospital bed.  

   

   

This is pretty much the situation that occurs in the resurrection halls, when your morontial body receives your soul and your new morontial mind, personality, presence of your Thought Adjuster, and outside of you is your Guardian Angel and those in attendance.  You will awaken and they will give you directions to come forward, and you will not understand where you are, you will really not even recognize the walls or the floor, the ceiling or your surroundings.  Now, this is not much different than an individual who has been blind all their life and who has surgically been given eyesight.  Heretofore, they have oriented themselves completely through sound, through echoes, through relationships that they feel intuitively.  Though they do not know that they would not recognize an apple, if they saw it, or when they saw it, but they would close their eyes, feel the apple, the texture of its surface, smell it, feel the stem and the nascent bloom at the other end and decide to bite into it.  This is very similar to your experience when you awaken in the resurrection hall.  You must learn all of the senses that you have, and you will have dozens of senses—not just the 5 or 6 that you have in this lifetime, but you will have dozens.  You will have to be educated how to use these senses and even to learn that you do have them, and how to use them.  This will be quite an experience for you, one that you can begin to contemplate now.  You will have a wholly formed body; there are no infant morontial beings, except those on the infant’s world, where they are cared for and they grow up there.  You as an adult will be given an adult body in the morontial realm, but you will be unknowing and uneducated and unaware, mostly, though this will begin to broaden and awaken.

This is pretty much the situation that occurs in the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_47_-_The_Seven_Mansion_Worlds#47:3_THE_FIRST_MANSION_WORLD resurrection halls], when your [[morontial]] [[body]] receives your [[soul]] and your new [[morontial]] [[mind]], [[personality]], [[presence]] of your [[Thought Adjuster]], and outside of you is your [[Guardian Angel]] and those in attendance.  You will [[awaken]] and they will give you directions to come forward, and you will not [[understand]] where you are, you will really not even [[recognize]] the walls or the floor, the ceiling or your [[surroundings]].  Now, this is not much [[different]] than an [[individual]] who has been blind all their life and who has surgically been given [[Vision|eyesight]].  Heretofore, they have [[oriented]] themselves completely through [[sound]], through [[echoes]], through [[relationships]] that they feel [[intuitive]]ly.  Though they do not know that they would not [[recognize]] an apple, if they saw it, or when they saw it, but they would close their eyes, feel the apple, the [[texture]] of its [[surface]], [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Senses#Smell.2C_Taste.2C_and_Touch smell] it, [[feel]] the stem and the nascent bloom at the other end and [[decide]] to bite into it.  This is very similar to your [[experience]] when you awaken in the [[resurrection]] hall.  You must learn all of the [[senses]] that you have, and you will have dozens of [[senses]]—not just the 5 or 6 that you have in this lifetime, but you will have dozens.  You will have to be [[educated]] how to use these senses and even to [[learn]] that you do have them, and how to use them.  This will be quite an [[experience]] for you, one that you can begin to [[contemplate]] now.  You will have a wholly formed [[body]]; there are no [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infancy infant] [[morontial]] [[beings]], except those on the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_47#47:2._THE_PROBATIONARY_NURSERY infant’s world], where they are cared for and they [[grow]] up there.  You as an [[adult]] will be given an adult [[body]] in the [[morontial]] realm, but you will be unknowing and uneducated and unaware, mostly, though this will begin to broaden and [[awaken]].

   

   

Do you have any questions concerning the sleeping survivors?

Do you have any questions concerning the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_30#30:4._THE_ASCENDING_MORTALS sleeping survivors]?

===='''''[[Mansion Worlds]]'''''====

===='''''[[Mansion Worlds]]'''''====

*Those who arrive on mansonia on the third day after death

*Those who arrive on mansonia on the third day after death

   

   

Vicki:  I have one question.  Those individuals who enter the resurrection hall within three days, as Christ did, are not considered sleeping survivors, is that correct?  (Monjoronson:  That is correct.)  Then those who resurrect after three days are more spiritually aware and engaged during their mortal life?

Vicki:  I have one question.  Those [[individuals]] who enter the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_30#30:4._THE_ASCENDING_MORTALS resurrection hall] within three days, as [[Christ]] did, are not [[considered]] sleeping survivors, is that correct?  (Monjoronson:  That is correct.)  Then those who [[resurrect]] after three days are more [[spiritually]] [[aware]] and [[engaged]] during their [[mortal]] life?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, let me give you a metaphor:  Let us say that you have two children in eighth grade, and one is very bright and the other is just normal.  The bright one—what would you do?  Would you give him the option of moving into his sophomore year in high school, or would you retain him as a freshman?  Logically, you would promote that individual to the level of their competency, and this is what is done for individuals who are spiritually competent to move into the morontial realm after death, upon the third day.  Likewise, those individuals who are not of that capability are retained; they are held as sleeping survivors, not ready to make the decision because they are unaware.  There is always the capacity to move ahead in your spiritual career as rapidly as you are consciously capable to engage the next step of development.  In the morontial realm there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of these levels where you are given entrée to the next level, once you accomplish your present level.  Further, there are sometimes minor upgrades to your mind function and you skip to attend to your growing skill level and capacity as you grow.  Sometimes there are major upgrades to where you will be given a new morontial body and mind function.  

MONJORONSON:  Yes, let me give you a [[metaphor]]:  Let us say that you have two [[children]] in eighth grade, and one is very bright and the other is just [[normal]].  The bright one—what would you do?  Would you give him the [[option]] of moving into his sophomore year in high school, or would you retain him as a freshman?  [[Logically]], you would promote that [[individual]] to the level of their competency, and this is what is done for [[individuals]] who are [[spiritually]] competent to move into the [[morontial]] realm after [[death]], upon the third day.  Likewise, those [[individuals]] who are not of that [[capability]] are retained; they are held as [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_30#30:4._THE_ASCENDING_MORTALS sleeping survivors], not ready to make the decision because they are unaware.  There is always the [[capacity]] to move ahead in your [[spiritual career]] as rapidly as you are [[consciously]] capable to [[engage]] the next step of [[development]].  In the [[morontial]] realm there are [[literally]] hundreds upon hundreds of these [[levels]] where you are given entrée to the next level, once you accomplish your [[present]] level.  Further, there are sometimes minor upgrades to your [[mind]] [[function]] and you skip to attend to your growing [[skill]] level and [[capacity]] as you grow.  Sometimes there are major upgrades to where you will be given a new [[morontial]] [[body]] and [[mind]] [[function]].  

   

   

Just as you transfer your old addresses and phone numbers and such, from one cell phone to another at your cell phone store, so too is all the old data transferred to your new mind.  Some when they arrive in the resurrection halls and become aware but still remain stubborn, into their own authority, they are let to remain by themselves with others in that capacity until they wish to move ahead.  This may take an earth day, it may take a century of earth time, it may take a millennium, or ten millenniums of earth time for them to finally make a decision, come to awareness that they need to make a decision whether to become as though they never were, or to move on to the next step.  You will find that the universe at all levels is infinitely patient.  No one will force you to move on, though you will be urged to educate yourself to make a competent decision.  Do you understand what I am saying regarding retention and movement ahead?  

Just as you [[transfer]] your old addresses and phone numbers and such, from one cell phone to another at your cell phone store, so too is all the old [[data]] transferred to your new [[mind]].  Some when they arrive in the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_47#47:3_THE_FIRST_MANSION_WORLD resurrection halls] and become [[aware]] but still remain [[stubborn]], into their own [[authority]], they are let to remain by themselves with others in that [[capacity]] until they wish to move ahead.  This may take an [[earth]] day, it may take a century of earth time, it may take a [[millennium]], or ten millenniums of [[earth]] [[time]] for them to finally make a [[decision]], come to [[awareness]] that they need to make a [[decision]] whether to become as though they never were, or to move on to the next step.  You will find that the [[universe]] at all levels is infinitely [[patient]].  No one will [[force]] you to move on, though you will be urged to [[educate]] yourself to make a competent [[decision]].  Do you [[understand]] what I am saying regarding retention and movement ahead?  

   

   

Vicki:  Yes, I do.  I understand.  You’ve clarified it well.  Thank you.

Vicki:  Yes, I do.  I [[understand]].  You’ve [[clarified]] it well.  Thank you.

   

   

MONJORONSON:  So the points of confusion for mortals involves actually the point of death; what happens to those who don’t go on; what happens to those who refuse to go on; what happens to those who are attached to this world, but who are in spirit; and what happens to those who are spiritually competent.  Do you think of any other instance that needs to be addressed?

MONJORONSON:  So the points of [[confusion]] for [[mortals]] involves actually the point of [[death]]; what happens to those who don’t go on; what happens to those who refuse to go on; what happens to those who are attached to this world, but who are in [[spirit]]; and what happens to those who are [[spiritually]] competent.  Do you think of any other instance that needs to be addressed?

   

   

Vicki:  Only when I think of the movies, the books, and I think of just this huge amount of media that is coming out with little bits of truth, veiled in distortion.  There is so much on dark entities and dark energy—really strange things that I think are harmful, not just to adults, but to children.  What do you say about that, Monjoronson?

Vicki:  Only when I think of the [[movies]], the [[books]], and I think of just this huge amount of [[media]] that is coming out with little bits of [[truth]], veiled in [[distortion]].  There is so much on [[dark]] [[entities]] and dark [[energy]]—really strange things that I think are harmful, not just to adults, but to [[children]].  What do you say about that, Monjoronson?

 

===='''''[[Parenting]]'''''====

===='''''[[Parenting]]'''''====

*Parents’ responsibility to teach about spirits of the light

*Parents’ responsibility to teach about spirits of the light

   

   

MONJORONSON:  That is a facet of child rearing, and it is the responsibility of adults to be more adult-like in their spiritual awareness, and not to perpetuate the dark side of spiritual existence of the incarnate.  The responsibilities of preparing for adulthood are more than ABCs, numbers, cultural education and preparing for an occupation.  It also involves speaking to children of that which is around them.  The mind begins early in life and it begins by awareness and education.  

MONJORONSON:  That is a [[facet]] of [[child rearing]], and it is the [[responsibility]] of adults to be more [[adult]]-like in their [[spiritual]] [[awareness]], and not to perpetuate the [[dark]] side of [[spiritual]] [[existence]] of the [[incarnate]].  The [[responsibilities]] of [[preparing]] for adulthood are more than ABCs, [[numbers]], cultural [[education]] and preparing for an [[Career|occupation]].  It also involves speaking to [[children]] of that which is around them.  The [[mind]] begins early in life and it begins by [[awareness]] and [[education]].

 

===='''''[[Death]]'''''====

===='''''[[Death]]'''''====

*Earthbound incarnate spirits can be either mean-spirited or benign

*Earthbound incarnate spirits can be either mean-spirited or benign

   

   

You have entered upon a facet which I did not address, and was not going to address until you raised the situation, and that is of mean-spirited, incarnate entities—earthbound entities.  Why do some spirits seem to bedevil individuals, and I use that word appropriately, when they have no longer any material connection, and it is this:  That the incarnate entities who are here can be here as benign individuals in wonderment, striving to maintain the life that they had, until they come into awareness that they are no longer alive, but dead.  The living no longer respond to them, and there are those who do not come into wonderment, but those who are found that they can sustain and support their existence through the psychic energy that individuals express through their emotions, such as fear.  

You have entered upon a [[facet]] which I did not address, and was not going to address until you raised the situation, and that is of [[Angry|mean-spirited]], incarnate [[entities]]—earthbound entities.  Why do some [[spirits]] seem to bedevil [[individuals]], and I use that word appropriately, when they have no longer any [[material]] [[connection]], and it is this:  That the [[incarnate]] [[entities]] who are here can be here as benign [[individuals]] in [[wonderment]], striving to maintain the life that they had, until they come into [[awareness]] that they are no longer alive, but [[dead]].  The living no longer [[respond]] to them, and there are those who do not come into [[wonderment]], but those who are found that they can [[sustain]] and [[support]] their [[existence]] through the [[psychic]] [[energy]] that [[individuals]] [[express]] through their [[emotions]], such as [[fear]].

 

===='''''[[Addiction]]'''''====

===='''''[[Addiction]]'''''====

*The role of addictions in earthbound spirits

*The role of addictions in earthbound spirits

   

   

We come to this state of explanation, through the back door, and that is through addictions.  It is one thing to be bodily addicted to morphine; it is another to be addicted mentally to gambling, sex, rage, or to some other form of addiction.  The addiction is held in the mind.  There truly are opiate addicts who would not maintain their addiction were they able to suspend withdrawal pain and substitute a good life for their opiate addiction.  There are some, however, who are not addicted in the body to any substance, but who are addicted in their mind to something or some behavior, some emotion.  And so these addictions can carry over into the afterlife of the incarnate, earthbound spirits.  There is the maintenance of the self through this identification, and it can extend itself to other negative emotional states as well—spite, envy, greed, lust and so on—all are addictions of the mind, maintained by a failure to choose otherwise.  Responsibilities of living your life, of moving on, are many, but to live a life of peace is a choice which one must make, then act upon it.

We come to this [[state]] of [[explanation]], through the back door, and that is through [[addictions]].  It is one thing to be bodily [[addicted]] to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine morphine]; it is another to be addicted mentally to [[gambling]], [[sex]], [[Anger|rage]], or to some other [[form]] of [[addiction]].  The addiction is held in the [[mind]].  There truly are [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium opiate] addicts who would not [[maintain]] their [[addiction]] were they able to [[suspend]] withdrawal [[pain]] and substitute a [[good]] life for their opiate [[addiction]].  There are some, however, who are not addicted in the [[body]] to any substance, but who are addicted in their [[mind]] to something or some [[behavior]], some [[emotion]].  And so these [[addictions]] can carry over into the [[afterlife]] of the [[incarnate]], earthbound spirits.  There is the [[maintenance]] of the [[self]] through this [[identification]], and it can extend itself to other [[negative]] [[emotional]] [[states]] as well—spite, [[envy]], [[greed]], [[lust]] and so on—all are addictions of the [[mind]], [[maintained]] by a failure to [[choose]] otherwise.  [[Responsibilities]] of living your life, of moving on, are many, but to live a life of [[peace]] is a [[choice]] which one must make, then [[act]] upon it.

 

===='''''[[Afterlife]]'''''====

===='''''[[Afterlife]]'''''====

*Decisions and omissions that affect your afterlife

*Decisions and omissions that affect your afterlife

   

   

The significance of our discussion of the states of spiritual existence, repercuss into your own material lives now in the thinking patterns that you choose to maintain, or fail to choose to opt out of.  There are issues of omission to make decisions, issues of omission to take action to support positive decisions that will repercuss in your afterlife, in which you will have to deal with.  Even now, many of you who have been addicted to opiates and to drugs, and to emotions and immoral social behavior, and who have chosen and acted to right the ways of your life, you fully know the difficulties of that change of heart, change of mind and change of direction, abdicating from your addictions.  This is the same kind of difficulty that those earthbound spirit beings suffer with as well.  But the incapacity to make decisions and act on them is even greater in that regard.  However, the open door of light is always there for each and every one of them, just as it is for you as you cross over and move forward in your three-day transposition to the morontial realm.  

The significance of our [[discussion]] of the [[states]] of [[spiritual]] [[existence]], repercuss into your own [[material]] lives now in the [[thinking]] [[patterns]] that you [[choose]] to [[maintain]], or fail to choose to opt out of.  There are issues of omission to make [[decisions]], issues of omission to take [[action]] to [[support]] positive [[decisions]] that will repercuss in your [[afterlife]], in which you will have to deal with.  Even now, many of you who have been [[addicted]] to opiates and to [[drugs]], and to [[emotions]] and [[Vice|immoral]] social [[behavior]], and who have [[chosen]] and acted to right the ways of your life, you fully know the [[difficulties]] of that [[change]] of [[heart]], [[change]] of [[mind]] and change of direction, abdicating from your [[addictions]].  This is the same kind of [[difficulty]] that those earthbound spirit beings [[suffer]] with as well.  But the incapacity to make [[decisions]] and [[act]] on them is even greater in that regard.  However, the open door of [[light]] is always there for each and every one of them, just as it is for you as you cross over and move forward in your [[three]]-day transposition to the [[morontial]] realm.  

   

   

It is your responsibility, for those of you who are acquainted with these spirits, to speak with them, know them, see them, or are simply intuitively aware of them to direct them to look towards the light and move towards it.  This one I speak through has helped many do that very thing, and it is a palpable experience to feel the movement of a spiritual being move towards the light and to become engulfed in the all-knowing good of the universe that exists for everyone.

It is your [[responsibility]], for those of you who are acquainted with these [[spirits]], to speak with them, know them, see them, or are simply [[intuitively]] [[aware]] of them to direct them to look towards the [[light]] and move towards it.  This one I speak through has helped many do that very thing, and it is a palpable [[experience]] to [[feel]] the movement of a [[spiritual]] [[being]] move towards the [[light]] and to become engulfed in the all-knowing [[good]] of the [[universe]] that exists for everyone.

   

   

Those of you who entertain spirits, make sure they are spirits of the light, who can assist you in this lifetime to move more closely, more intimately, more powerfully into the afterlife of the morontial realm after three-days.  Dealing with earthbound spirits is your choice; it is simply ineffective and unproductive were you to engage in this too much in this lifetime.  There is nothing to fear; these beings cannot hurt you—just stand up to them as you would some bully—and biff them in the nose!  Tell them to go away, that they have no place in your existence and that you command them to be absent from you.  You must do this with a powerful voice, with emotional energy, to make your command effective.  I have said a lot about this—do you have questions concerning this.

Those of you who [[entertain]] [[spirits]], make sure they are spirits of the [[light]], who can [[assist]] you in this lifetime to move more closely, more [[intimately]], more powerfully into the [[afterlife]] of the [[morontial]] realm after three-days.  Dealing with earthbound spirits is your [[choice]]; it is simply ineffective and unproductive were you to [[engage]] in this too much in this lifetime.  There is nothing to [[fear]]; these beings cannot hurt you—just stand up to them as you would some bully—and biff them in the nose!  Tell them to go away, that they have no place in your [[existence]] and that you command them to be absent from you.  You must do this with a [[powerful]] [[voice]], with [[emotional]] [[energy]], to make your command [[effective]].  I have said a lot about this—do you have questions concerning this.

   

   

Vicki:  Just a clarification.  So it is not true what all of these movies and these books suggest when they portray people having no control over these harmful entities.  Is that correct?

Vicki:  Just a [[clarification]].  So it is not true what all of these [[movies]] and these [[books]] suggest when they portray people having no [[control]] over these harmful [[entities]].  Is that correct?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  That is correct.  It is only true if you give them that authority.

MONJORONSON:  That is correct.  It is only true if you give them that [[authority]].

   

   

Vicki:  Okay.  I think that’s a huge statement for people on earth, because there is so much fear, and they don’t understand what’s real and what’s not on this topic.

Vicki:  Okay.  I think that’s a huge [[statement]] for people on [[earth]], because there is so much [[fear]], and they don’t [[understand]] what’s real and what’s not on this [[topic]].

 

===='''''[[Magisterial Mission]]'''''====

===='''''[[Magisterial Mission]]'''''====

*The Magisterial Mission will encompass the whole spectrum of spirit beings

*The Magisterial Mission will encompass the whole spectrum of spirit beings

   

   

MONJORONSON:  You may be wondering why I have answered your question so extensively, and it is for this reason.  As I approach your world, and I have approached it, and I am here as a spiritual being, I am not yet incarnate, that I will, and all of my realm will engage the full spectrum of spiritual existence of this planet.  We are here for you—the living—but we are here too for the living in spirit.  Sleeping survivors will sleep until the end of this dispensation, and then we will engage them.  My realm and my retinue and my presence on your world is for the full spiritual spectrum, those spirits who are living in the material bodies as you are, and those others who remain here.  It is essential to the welfare and well-being of this world that it be fully cleansed of ignorance, and those who are earthbound spirits, most are in ignorance about their existence, and we will have a rapid educational program for them when I am here fully, and in body.  So then, it is a co-creative effort between you mortals of spirit and us, unseen spiritual beings of light, to engage these beings and educate them as best we can, so they can make conscious decisions to move on.

MONJORONSON:  You may be [[wondering]] why I have answered your question so extensively, and it is for this reason.  As I approach your world, and I have approached it, and I am here as a [[spiritual]] [[being]], I am not yet [[incarnate]], that I will, and all of my realm will [[engage]] the full [[spectrum]] of [[spiritual]] [[existence]] of this [[planet]].  We are here for you—the living—but we are here too for the living in [[spirit]].  [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_30#30:4._THE_ASCENDING_MORTALS Sleeping survivors] will [[sleep]] until the end of this [[dispensation]], and then we will [[engage]] them.  My realm and my retinue and my [[presence]] on your world is for the full [[spiritual]] [[spectrum]], those spirits who are living in the [[material]] [[bodies]] as you are, and those others who remain here.  It is [[essential]] to the welfare and well-being of this world that it be fully cleansed of [[ignorance]], and those who are earthbound spirits, most are in [[ignorance]] about their [[existence]], and we will have a rapid [[educational]] [[program]] for them when I am here fully, and in [[body]].  So then, it is a [[co-creative]] [[effort]] between you [[mortals]] of [[spirit]] and us, [[unseen]] spiritual [[beings]] of [[light]], to engage these beings and educate them as best we can, so they can make [[conscious]] [[decisions]] to move on.

   

   

At no time—even of those who refuse to move on, knowing that their decision will be made to move on—we simply do not operate it in that way.  Speaking of armies of light, that these are armies of awareness that will engage beings of darkness to move to the light.  Those who refuse then to move to the light, they are captured and put in quarantine.  Earthbound beings are allowed to roam around for a good deal of time before that action is taken, giving them the greatest latitude to voluntarily move ahead, which makes their morontial career much more effective and timely.

At no [[time]]—even of those who refuse to move on, knowing that their [[decision]] will be made to move on—we [[simply]] do not operate it in that way.  Speaking of armies of [[light]], that these are armies of [[awareness]] that will [[engage]] beings of [[darkness]] to move to the [[light]].  Those who refuse then to move to the light, they are captured and put in [[quarantine]].  Earthbound beings are allowed to roam around for a good deal of time before that [[action]] is taken, giving them the greatest [[latitude]] to [[voluntarily]] move ahead, which makes their [[morontial]] career much more [[effective]] and timely.

   

   

Vicki:  And I can see with you functioning in the way that you say you will in the flesh, that it will clear up a tremendous amount of confusion for those mortals that are encountering these spirits as well.  It feels like it would lift a huge burden off of the Urantian people.

Vicki:  And I can see with you [[functioning]] in the way that you say you will in the [[flesh]], that it will clear up a tremendous amount of [[confusion]] for those [[mortals]] that are encountering these spirits as well.  It feels like it would lift a huge burden off of the [[Urantia]]n people.

   

   

MONJORONSON:  You would think so, but there are those who are aware of what you call the occult, and who like to dabble in those arts, and who like to conjure up the presence of these spiritual beings and “play,” so to speak.  This is really exceptionally immature and unproductive.  It arouses our consternation, I’ll put it that way.

MONJORONSON:  You would think so, but there are those who are [[aware]] of what you call the [[occult]], and who like to dabble in those [[arts]], and who like to conjure up the [[presence]] of these [[spiritual]] [[beings]] and “[[play]],” so to speak.  This is really exceptionally immature and unproductive.  It arouses our consternation, I’ll put it that way.

   

   

Vicki:  There was enough fog in the air that we needed to have things cleared out, and I’m thankful, Monjoronson that you’ve clarified so much.

Vicki:  There was enough [[fog]] in the air that we needed to have things cleared out, and I’m thankful, Monjoronson that you’ve [[clarified]] so much.

 

===='''''[[Occult]]'''''====

===='''''[[Occult]]'''''====

*Use of Ouija boards, pentagrams and psychic phenomena

*Use of Ouija boards, pentagrams and psychic phenomena

   

   

Vicki:  Monjoronson, there comes to mind a question about objects that people use in certain practices, such as Ouija boards, tarot cards and tea leaves, to facilitate some kind of wisdom.  My question is this:  Is the use of those objects more tied to the intention behind them?  In other words, if one is seeking God’s presence and wisdom, and using those as tools for that purpose, is that something that you or another celestial being of light would engage in?  Would they present wisdom through the use of them?

Vicki:  Monjoronson, there comes to mind a question about objects that people use in certain [[practices]], such as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija_Board Ouija boards], [[tarot]] cards and tea leaves, to [[facilitate]] some kind of [[wisdom]].  My question is this:  Is the use of those objects more tied to the [[intention]] behind them?  In other [[words]], if one is seeking [[God]]’s [[presence]] and [[wisdom]], and using those as [[tools]] for that [[purpose]], is that something that you or another [[celestial]] [[being]] of [[light]] would [[engage]] in?  Would they present [[wisdom]] through the use of them?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  First of all, I wish to educate you of the difference between  psychic phenomena and spiritualism or working with spirit, or trying to manipulate spirit, the occult.  Psychic phenomena are completely different.  Psychic phenomena parallel your five senses, but additionally you also have the capacity to project your consciousness into the past or into the future.  Consciousness, as you know, is non-temporal, it is related to mind function and will.  Facets of runes, of tea leaves, of cards and so on, are related to psychic awareness.  They are not connected directly to spiritual phenomena.  They are simply material mechanisms that aid the psychic’s ability.  

MONJORONSON:  First of all, I wish to [[educate]] you of the [[difference]] between  [[psychic]] [[phenomena]] and [[spiritualism]] or working with [[spirit]], or trying to [[manipulate]] [[spirit]], the [[occult]].  [[Psychic]] [[phenomena]] are completely [[different]].  Psychic phenomena [[parallel]] your five [[senses]], but additionally you also have the [[capacity]] to [[project]] your [[consciousness]] into the [[past]] or into the [[future]].  [[Consciousness]], as you know, is non-[[temporal]], it is related to [[mind]] [[function]] and [[Volition|will]].  [[Facets]] of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runes runes], of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Leaves tea leaves], of cards and so on, are related to [[psychic]] [[awareness]].  They are not [[connected]] directly to [[spiritual]] [[phenomena]].  They are simply [[material]] [[mechanisms]] that aid the [[psychic]]’s [[ability]].  

   

   

Ouija board and pentagram are ways of communicating with spiritual entities, those which are incarnate earthbound spirits.  This is where your intention comes into focus.  The intention of using pentagrams and Ouija boards is not to connect with God, or angels, or midwayers, or Melchizedeks, Christ Michael, Mother Mary, Nebadonia, or anyone else of the light.  When one uses a Ouija board, it is by either a choice or a choice made by ignorance.  If you are aware that you have a choice between meditation and being in a mystic circle, and wanted to connect with beings of light, you would use those mechanisms.  

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija_Board Ouija board] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram pentagram] are ways of [[communicating]] with [[spiritual]] [[entities]], those which are [[incarnate]] earthbound spirits.  This is where your [[intention]] comes into [[focus]].  The [[intention]] of using [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagrams pentagrams] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija_Board Ouija boards] is not to [[connect]] with [[God]], or [[angels]], or [[midwayers]], or [[Melchizedeks]], [[Christ]] [[Michael]], [[Mother Mary]], [[Nebadonia]], or anyone else of the [[light]].  When one uses a Ouija board, it is by either a [[choice]] or a choice made by [[ignorance]].  If you are aware that you have a [[choice]] between [[meditation]] and being in a [[mystic]] [[circle]], and wanted to [[connect]] with beings of [[light]], you would use those [[mechanisms]].  

   

   

If you were educated and knew that difference but still used Ouija boards and a pentagram, then this is a conscious choice to connect elements—I do not say of darkness—but earthbound incarnate spirits.  There are those, however, of you who are ignorant of this difference, and so you entertain the possibility of connecting with incarnate earthbound spirits through Ouija boards and pentagrams.  When it is a simple matter of ignorance, it can be corrected by awareness, by education, by those who do know the difference.  It is important that you do know the differences, because even in ignorance you can lead yourself astray, farther from the light, by continuing to seek those elements, those spirits which are not fully educated, wise or fully knowing as are the beings of light.  

If you were [[educated]] and knew that difference but still used [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija_Board Ouija boards] and a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram pentagram], then this is a [[conscious]] [[choice]] to [[connect]] elements—I do not say of [[darkness]]—but earthbound incarnate spirits.  There are those, however, of you who are ignorant of this [[difference]], and so you [[entertain]] the [[possibility]] of [[connecting]] with incarnate earthbound spirits through Ouija boards and pentagrams.  When it is a [[simple]] matter of [[ignorance]], it can be corrected by [[awareness]], by [[education]], by those who do know the [[difference]].  It is important that you do know the [[differences]], because even in [[ignorance]] you can lead yourself astray, farther from the [[light]], by continuing to seek those elements, those spirits which are not fully [[educated]], [[wise]] or fully knowing as are the [[beings]] of [[light]].  

   

   

We allow celestial teachers to come to your world because they have taken on, graduated, and demonstrated a level of competence to espouse, educate elements of light and an education of wisdom to you.  Those earthbound spirits cannot do that; they simply do not have the wisdom or education.  There are those who have refused to go on, and continue to dabble in the material realm, for their own satisfaction and gratification, to the detriment of themselves and to others.  If you have a choice between riding in a little pedal car to go to the mall, or driving in your new Mercedes or Ferrari to go to the mall, which would you choose?  Surely, those who know the difference would take their Ferrari to go to the mall, to make the long trip.  Earthbound spirits are still peddling around the realm of earth in their little pedal cars, and this is what they choose.  This is a choice of theirs.

We allow [[celestial]] [[teachers]] to come to your world because they have taken on, graduated, and [[demonstrated]] a level of competence to espouse, [[educate]] elements of [[light]] and an [[education]] of [[wisdom]] to you.  Those earthbound spirits cannot do that; they simply do not have the [[wisdom]] or [[education]].  There are those who have refused to go on, and continue to dabble in the [[material]] realm, for their own [[satisfaction]] and [[gratification]], to the detriment of themselves and to [[other]]s.  If you have a [[choice]] between riding in a little pedal car to go to the mall, or driving in your new [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes Mercedes] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari Ferrari] to go to the mall, which would you choose?  Surely, those who know the [[difference]] would take their Ferrari to go to the mall, to make the long trip.  Earthbound spirits are still peddling around the realm of [[earth]] in their little pedal cars, and this is what they choose.  This is a [[choice]] of theirs.

   

   

Now, have I given you enough information to help you with your question?

Now, have I given you enough [[information]] to help you with your question?

   

   

Vicki:  Yes, I think so.  I feel that you’ve introduced me to some facets of this topic that I was unaware of.  I appreciate that.

Vicki:  Yes, I think so.  I feel that you’ve introduced me to some [[facets]] of this [[topic]] that I was unaware of.  I appreciate that.

 

===='''''[[Possession]]'''''====

===='''''[[Possession]]'''''====

*Spirit possession

*Spirit possession

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Let me take this one step further, since you wish to have full clarification.  There are those, too, who dabble with spirits and spirit possession.  This is completely against universe policy; it is not acceptable spiritual behavior; it is anathema to spiritual growth.  Possession of a mortal body is not acceptable to us, yet it is a choice that a mortal can make and a spiritual being can make, particularly those decisions are usually made by an uninformed and uneducated incarnate spiritual being.  

MONJORONSON:  Let me take this one step further, since you wish to have full [[clarification]].  There are those, too, who dabble with [[spirits]] and [[spirit possession]].  This is completely against [[universe]] [[policy]]; it is not acceptable [[spiritual]] [[behavior]]; it is [[anathema]] to [[spiritual]] [[growth]].  [[Spirit Possession|Possession]] of a [[mortal]] [[body]] is not acceptable to us, yet it is a [[choice]] that a [[mortal]] can make and a [[spiritual]] [[being]] can make, particularly those [[decisions]] are usually made by an uninformed and uneducated [[incarnate]] spiritual [[being]].

 

===='''''[[Channeling]]''''', '''''[[Transmitting]]'''''====

===='''''[[Channeling]]''''', '''''[[Transmitting]]'''''====

*Mediumship, channeling and TRing (Transmission/Receiving)

*Mediumship, channeling and TRing (Transmission/Receiving)

   

   

We wish all to be aware that this type of mediumship is not acceptable to a working relationship with us.  You must make your decisions as a mortal to move ahead and disengage from this activity.  This is the major distinction between mediumship and channeling or TRing.  Mediumship is a spiritual being within a mortal, speaking as though they were still here as a material being.  TRing or channeling is simply using the human mechanism for a spiritual being in the lowest—even the lowest morontial realm—to share with others the information and wisdom of the morontial and spiritual life.  This has nothing to do with spirit possession.  Spirit possession is where the spirit is in a living body, where the person within that body has given over themselves, given permission for this being to be there.  This is a violation of the greatest order at these levels of spiritual existence.  This is mediumship, which has been spoken against in the Urantia Book, and which we totally support.  

We wish all to be aware that this type of [[mediumship]] is not acceptable to a working [[relationship]] with us.  You must make your [[decisions]] as a [[mortal]] to move ahead and disengage from this [[activity]].  This is the major distinction between mediumship and [[channeling]] or [[TR]]ing.  [[Mediumship]] is a [[spiritual]] [[being]] within a [[mortal]], speaking as though they were still here as a [[material]] [[being]].  TRing or [[channeling]] is simply using the [[human]] [[mechanism]] for a [[spiritual]] [[being]] in the lowest—even the lowest [[morontial]] realm—to [[share]] with others the [[information]] and [[wisdom]] of the [[morontial]] and [[spiritual]] life.  This has nothing to do with [[spirit possession]].  Spirit possession is where the spirit is in a living [[body]], where the [[person]] within that body has given over themselves, given permission for this being to be there.  This is a [[violation]] of the greatest order at these [[levels]] of spiritual [[existence]].  This is [[mediumship]], which has been spoken against in the [[Urantia Book]], and which we totally [[support]].  

   

   

This is distinctly and uniquely different from channeling or TRing, where a spiritual being speaks through another, through what you might call a process of reverse reflectivity.  This does not have anything to do with subverting another’s will or taking over a life as though it were their own.  This distinction is important to be made and to be known, and to be recognized and surely appreciated.  The work of genuine TRs is vital to our work, as it exists in this very moment.  I do not have possession of this individual’s body mechanism, his mind, his soul or his will.  This is channeling or TRing at its best, where the individual remains completely conscious of the process, remains intact with their will, conscious of their surroundings, their temporal setting, their social setting and in all regards, who simply allow us to use part of the brain function—not the mind function—but the brain function to speak.  And even in speaking, it is this one’s voice with full awareness of what is going on.  It is an overlay of neural commands on top of another, and that is the greatest extent of the submission of this one’s will, to my presence and to what I have to say.

This is distinctly and uniquely [[different]] from [[channeling]] or [[TR]]ing, where a [[spiritual]] [[being]] speaks through another, through what you might call a [[process]] of reverse [[reflectivity]].  This does not have anything to do with subverting another’s will or taking over a life as though it were their own.  This distinction is important to be made and to be [[known]], and to be [[recognized]] and surely [[appreciated]].  The work of genuine [[TR]]s is [[vital]] to our [[work]], as it exists in this very [[moment]].  I do not have [[possession]] of this individual’s [[body]] [[mechanism]], his [[mind]], his [[soul]] or his [[Volition|will]].  This is [[channeling]] or [[TR]]ing at its best, where the [[individual]] remains completely [[conscious]] of the [[process]], remains intact with their will, [[conscious]] of their [[surroundings]], their [[temporal]] setting, their [[social]] setting and in all regards, who [[simply]] allow us to use part of the [[brain]] [[function]]—not the [[mind]] [[function]]—but the [[brain]] function to speak.  And even in [[speaking]], it is this one’s [[voice]] with full [[awareness]] of what is going on.  It is an overlay of [[neural]] commands on top of another, and that is the greatest extent of the submission of this one’s will, to my [[presence]] and to what I have to say.

   

   

Vicki:  From the time of the Pentecost, I understood that no spirit could enter another human’s body without their consent.  Is that correct?

Vicki:  From the time of the [[Pentecost]], I [[understood]] that no spirit could enter another [[human]]’s [[body]] without their consent.  Is that correct?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, that is correct.  Now you must amend that—there is a caveat to that—and that is due to a person’s practice or unconscious desire to have this occur, it may be that they are absent from making the decision due to fear, it may be that they have consciously decided they want this to occur.  The prohibition is upon all incarnate spirits cannot overtake a mortal body and mind mechanism, against that person’s will.  That leaves a lot of latitude for ignorance and fear, does it not?  This is why our program of education is so important.  You see what we have to work against as we approach your world; it is not simply just your media, but the cultural biases of ignorance and fears as individuals, which make our work so difficult.  There are so few in your world, who truly 101% believe in the good of the universe and of spirit, and of God’s work in their life.  When people still think of God as a God of wrath, who is vengeful, emotional, spiteful and jealous, it leaves little room for our wisdom or education.  We must work with minds that are free, free of fear, free of bias and free of non-productive indoctrination.  That’s why we need your assistance so much; that is why we need your assistance to invite educational programs into your areas, so that we can help you raise your consciousness, so that you are able to work with us on a conscious here-and-now, 24/7 basis in actual working situation, and this working situation is called “your life.”

MONJORONSON:  Yes, that is correct.  Now you must amend that—there is a caveat to that—and that is due to a [[person]]’s [[practice]] or [[unconscious]] [[desire]] to have this occur, it may be that they are [[absent]] from making the decision due to [[fear]], it may be that they have consciously decided they want this to occur.  The [[prohibition]] is upon all incarnate spirits cannot overtake a [[mortal]] [[body]] and [[mind]] [[mechanism]], against that [[person]]’s will.  That leaves a lot of [[latitude]] for [[ignorance]] and [[fear]], does it not?  This is why our [[program]] of [[education]] is so important.  You see what we have to [[work]] against as we approach your world; it is not simply just your [[media]], but the [[cultural]] biases of [[ignorance]] and [[fears]] as [[individuals]], which make our [[work]] so [[difficult]].  There are so few in your world, who truly 101% believe in the [[good]] of the [[universe]] and of [[spirit]], and of [[God]]’s [[work]] in their life.  When people still [[think]] of God as a God of [[Anger|wrath]], who is vengeful, [[emotional]], spiteful and [[jealous]], it leaves little room for our [[wisdom]] or [[education]].  We must [[work]] with [[minds]] that are [[free]], free of [[fear]], free of bias and free of non-productive [[indoctrination]].  That’s why we need your [[assistance]] so much; that is why we need your [[assistance]] to invite [[educational]] [[programs]] into your areas, so that we can help you raise your [[consciousness]], so that you are able to [[work]] with us on a [[conscious]] here-and-now, 24/7 basis in [[actual]] working situation, and this working situation is called “your life.”

===Closing===

===Closing===

Vicki:  Thank you so much, Monjoronson!  (You are most welcome.)  It’s left us with much to think about, and much to share.  Are we done, Daniel?  (Yeah.)  Thank you again, Monjoronson.

Vicki:  Thank you so much, Monjoronson!  (You are most [[welcome]].)  It’s left us with much to [[think]] about, and much to share.  Are we done, Daniel?  (Yeah.)  Thank you again, Monjoronson.

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