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===Topic: ''McC's Questions, Relationship with God''===
===Topic: ''McC's Questions''===
===Group: [[N. Colorado TeaM]]===
===Group: [[N. Colorado TeaM]]===
MONJORONSON: Yes, that is correct. You are going to be free to ask any questions and I will provide them to the fullest extent of my ability, and they may be more candid than you would even ask for, and particularly for a broad audience. So let us keep this among ourselves, though you are welcome to record it and even transcribe it, but do not fully publish it.
MONJORONSON: Yes, that is correct. You are going to be free to ask any questions and I will provide them to the fullest extent of my ability, and they may be more candid than you would even ask for, and particularly for a broad audience. So let us keep this among ourselves, though you are welcome to record it and even transcribe it, but do not fully publish it.
MMc: I have some friends, Ron and Judy who have contributed questions. Would you like me to ask their questions also?
MONJORONSON: I would be glad to [answer them]. You are welcome to excise those and share the answers with them, if they are of a nature that should be, or could be shared with them alone.
*A session of dialog between Christ Michael and Monjoronson
*A session of dialog between Christ Michael and Monjoronson
MMc: Very good. Last time you spoke of TRing Christ Michael and having a dialog between Christ Michael and Monjoronson, and recording that. You said that this would be something that would be unique and very useful to him and to us. How do we proceed with this?
MMc: Very good. Last time you spoke of TRing Christ Michael and having a dialog between Christ Michael and Monjoronson, and recording that. You said that this would be something that would be unique and very useful to him and to us. How do we proceed with this?
MONJORONSON: It is something that would require another TR of like capability, to participate in this forum. It could be done with this one, but that would make it more difficult for everyone.
MONJORONSON: It is something that would require another TR of like capability, to participate in this forum. It could be done with this one, but that would make it more difficult for everyone.
===='''''[[Archives]]'''''====
*Funding the archives
MMc: Ron asked, “Do we still need to raise funds for Starbridge, or can the backup of the archives be achieved a simpler way?”
MONJORONSON: There will always be a need for financial supports for the archives. It would be helpful if the archives were designed in a manner that was more conducive and easier to use. Many have commented that its design, its architecture is archaic and will make it more difficult for it to be used in the future.
*Announcement dates
MMc: Thank you. The message you gave Judy in August of 2010, regarding the future date for your appearance, or your announcement of the Magisterial Mission for all who have ears to hear. Do you still have the potentials in place for this to be realized?
MONJORONSON: Which is that? What would that be? Make it clear for the record, please.
MMc: I believe that you had told her that you would be announcing the Magisterial Mission on 11-11-11.
MONJORONSON: This is incorrect. I have announced the Magisterial Mission many years ago. My presence is here now; I am not physically present, however. Further, I do not plan to be physically present for a number of years yet.
===='''''[[Incarnation]]'''''====
===='''''[[Incarnation]]'''''====
*Notification of the incarnation
*Notification of the incarnation
MONJORONSON: Yes, this is a carryover of those practices and those presences, just as there continues to be those who still hail and respect and adore those miscreants such as Hitler and Stalin. There are individuals on your world who still hold Satan and Lucifer and his kind in high regard. This is total mischief and is no longer supported or encouraged or allowed to occur, except where individuals resist our influences.
MONJORONSON: Yes, this is a carryover of those practices and those presences, just as there continues to be those who still hail and respect and adore those miscreants such as Hitler and Stalin. There are individuals on your world who still hold Satan and Lucifer and his kind in high regard. This is total mischief and is no longer supported or encouraged or allowed to occur, except where individuals resist our influences.
===='''''[[Reflectivity]]''''', '''''[[Fallibility]]'''''====
*Reflectivity
MMc: How is it that Urantia mortals are now able to utilize the phenomenon of reflectivity?
MONJORONSON: Reflectivity is another TR process, [of] transmitting/receiving. There is a great deal of ideation that goes on in the mind of the mortal who acts as the receiver/transmitter. This has been called ‘reflectivity’; it is not truly reflectivity as we use it, or those in the morontial realm use it. We do not speak or work against the use of “reflectivity” as it assists individuals in having a much more palpable contact with the spiritual realm of light in the universe. If they want to call it ‘reflectivity’, they are most welcome to, though it does not exist for mortals as it exists for us, even those of the low morontial levels. We do not dispute this, and so we let it be. It does not connote any advantage or a special status for those who say they are ‘reflectivators.’ It is simply something that someone has called themselves. You can stand in the garden and call yourself a ‘rose,’ if you wanted to, and we would not dispute it.
MMc: I understand. I have some follow-up questions I think that… is reflectivity something that can only be used by those who are specially trained? In essence, is what you are telling me is reflectivity and TRing are the same thing?
MONJORONSON: Yes, as far as mortals are concerned, they are the same thing. The closest I can give you of an analogy of reflectivity is a holographic image, or a holographic dimensional space, that has all the elements of your reality in it, represented. In many ways it would remind you of being in the Star Trek Holodeck, where you are able to experience things that are not there physically, but there energetically, and are represented by images in your mind. For the reflectivator process, it is as though you were standing in front of a doorway to a large auditorium and you see that space in front of you. That auditorium can be as large as the largest auditorium you can think of, or it simply could be a small closet of space, wherever you need it to ‘see.’ You would be ‘not there’ in real time, but you would be observing in real time the actions that were occurring. In the reflectivator process, you can also dial back historically to events in the past, and events in the future. Events in the future are not so useful, as they are only probabilities of what will occur, and depend upon the decisions of those who affect the future outcomes.
MMc: Thank you very much. We were told that the reflectivators and reflectivity was a ‘perfect process,’ but it hasn’t proved to be that. Is this process as we know it, as failsafe as was originally expected?
MONJORONSON: No, the reflectivator process, as the mortals who say they engage it, is an ideal situation that they had hoped to achieve. It is in many ways wishing that you were a ‘rock star,’ who was very famous and popular and millions of people were in adulation for you and what you had achieved. Desired for outcomes have not been forthcoming; that is proof in itself that this is not a true reflectivator process that they are using.
MMc: Are there any circumstances under which the privilege or ability can be revoked?
MONJORONSON: The reflectivator process is one in which is granted to individuals—and when I say ‘individuals,’ this does not necessarily mean mortals. It could be the whole spectrum of beings who have access to that. The reflectivator process is very evolved; it is granted on a need to know basis, and is a privileged access, which is granted only to a few. The reflectivator process can cause tremendous confusion and difficulty, even when it is used appropriately by those individuals who are above the level of mortals. There is still much confusion in the minds of individuals, even to the point of their fusion, and having gone through all of the mansion educational worlds in Nebadon. You would be amazed at how people’s desires, their thoughts, their yearnings, can express themselves in these ways. All that exists, that you observe in the world, is affected by mind, and your mind is guided and upheld in what it sees, by your values, your desires, your fears, and your ego. Therefore, this reflectivator process is one which is usually reserved only for those who are created beings and who are near perfect.
*The Master Spirits
MMc: Very good. Thank you. Are the Master Spirits speaking to humans on Urantia?
MONJORONSON: Yes, of course, to those who are prepared to receive this guidance.
MMc: Can you tell me which Master Spirits are speaking, please?
MONJORONSON: No. I will refrain from answering this question.
MMc: Is there another question that I might ask, so that I might get more information?
MONJORONSON: Perhaps so. You are ingenious; you just need to be benevolently devious.
===='''''[[Collective Intelligence]]'''''====
===='''''[[Collective Consciousness]]'''''====
*What is the ‘grid?
*What is the ‘grid?
MONJORONSON: The ‘grid’ is nothing more than human consciousness, the collective consciousness of humankind on your world. Even living people can be trapped in it, if they accept what is around them and hear, and accept what they hear. When people believe what is ‘out there,’ it is much like marketing: If you do not have a questioning mind, you can begin to believe that which is unreal, just as children believe that they can be Zorro, or Superman, or Batman, simply by putting on a cape and a helmet and a mask. These physical devisements are nothing more than expressions of their beliefs, and so the collective human consciousness on your world is in need of being changed, and yes, there are individuals who are captured in that, who remain in “the grid,” (I put that in quotes), because their beliefs hold them here. We have been teaching this one and others that beliefs are truly the ‘map’ that you take with you, after you die. Your ‘maps’ will lead you automatically to the light—or not. There are many who have been confused in their beliefs at the point of death, and so are still here. There are those who believe, but are unsure, and so they are the sleeping survivors. Does this help?
MONJORONSON: The ‘grid’ is nothing more than human consciousness, the collective consciousness of humankind on your world. Even living people can be trapped in it, if they accept what is around them and hear, and accept what they hear. When people believe what is ‘out there,’ it is much like marketing: If you do not have a questioning mind, you can begin to believe that which is unreal, just as children believe that they can be Zorro, or Superman, or Batman, simply by putting on a cape and a helmet and a mask. These physical devisements are nothing more than expressions of their beliefs, and so the collective human consciousness on your world is in need of being changed, and yes, there are individuals who are captured in that, who remain in “the grid,” (I put that in quotes), because their beliefs hold them here. We have been teaching this one and others that beliefs are truly the ‘map’ that you take with you, after you die. Your ‘maps’ will lead you automatically to the light—or not. There are many who have been confused in their beliefs at the point of death, and so are still here. There are those who believe, but are unsure, and so they are the sleeping survivors. Does this help?
===='''''[[Merkaba]]''''' ====
===='''''[[Merkaba]]''''' ====
*What is the relationship between the merkabah and the grid?
*What is the relationship between the merkabah and the grid?
MONJORONSON: He was in the process; these were not created; these were not completed. Soul-less individuals cannot cross over to the mansion worlds. Any beings that were created that were soul-less upon this planet have long since died.
MONJORONSON: He was in the process; these were not created; these were not completed. Soul-less individuals cannot cross over to the mansion worlds. Any beings that were created that were soul-less upon this planet have long since died.
*Monjoronson’s incarnation
MMc: Please clarify the statement from [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2011-09-30-Magisterial_Mission_Update,_Doc._I Document I], in Monjoronson’s appearance “as a babe or as a child of Michael’s doing”? You have always stated in the past that you would come as an adult male of stature and power. Has this changed?
MONJORONSON: I have not changed my mind and my original statements hold true.
*Urantia as an architectural sphere?
MMc: Document I, the Planetary Supreme stated that Urantia was reassigned as an architectural sphere, as of September 2011. What does this entail?
MONJORONSON: Premature statements.
MMc: Premature statements by current mortals?
MONJORONSON: Yes, mortals tend to leap to conclusions and then state them as facts. Even young, immature morontians do not make such a mistake. They can surmise, they can conjecture, they can contrive all sorts of ideas, but to state them as real is an incredible error, one of immense immaturity.
*Speaking directly with Monjoronson
MMc: I have another question for you, Sir. At the end of Document I, it says “until this evening, it was my staff who accommodated your interviews with me.” What does this mean? Have we not talked with you directly since 2004? And is it not your energy signature that we have come to know?
MONJORONSON: Yes, you have been talking with me directly.
MMc: Your energy signature seems to come through very well, but I know that even in reading the transcripts, I can recognize that it’s you, and I think that I am supposed to be able to do that.
MONJORONSON: Yes, you have a clear mind; you have a good education; you are a very appropriate individual for the development of our work at this point, as are all of you. It has been important to establish a consistent delivery that has integrity, that there are no aberrations in the first elements, as this provides us with a referent for you to judge and estimate the content that comes in later, weeks, months and years. You are seeing the benefit of that now, as you see the influence of other mortal minds in my delivery. I am not saying that I have not been with those individuals, but their beliefs, their ideas, their wishes, their hopes, their dreams, often affects the message that comes through. We need clear minds, as yours and Roxanne’s, and the openness of the forum that this one provides for me to speak clearly. There is no need for drama or dramatics or exciting or surprising announcements from me, as you are finding that the simple questions that you ask provide quite a broadening of your awareness of my existence and your existence, and your relationship with us and with the divine. I appreciate this discerning mind that you have, and which you use and its facility to engage these topics. Thank you.
MMc: Just a few more questions for you.
MMc: Just a few more questions for you.
MONJORONSON: Certainly, I am open for them. We could continue for years, if you wish, though I might wear ‘this one’ out.
MONJORONSON: Certainly, I am open for them. We could continue for years, if you wish, though I might wear ‘this one’ out.
*Use of symbols for the incarnation
MMc: I understand your symbol of the lamb, the colors dark green and white, but ‘corkscrews’? Would you care to comment on this.
MONJORONSON: I have no comments regarding ‘corkscrews,’ or lambs, or green and white. I prefer not to engage in symbolism at this time in my career. There will be plenty of that after I incarnate on your world. It is my wish and the wish of my staff that you not objectify my presence, and that as little as possible becomes objectified about me. It is not about ‘me’; it is about Christ Michael; it is about you and it is about your Thought Adjuster and the First Source and Center. That is most important. It is far, far too early to begin designing those symbols of ritual and of ceremony, and of office, and of institution at this point in my career on Urantia. It is misleading to mortals and to approve of that would allow mortals to mislead themselves with my approval, and I do not approve!
MMc: Thank you very much. Would you like to add anything we have failed to ask that is important?
MMc: Thank you very much. Would you like to add anything we have failed to ask that is important?
MONJORONSON: You are doing very well. I wish you to continue as you have been doing. If I have something that needs to be said, I will say so in light of your questions, similarly as I did a few moments ago when you asked about the need for human co-creative participation.
MONJORONSON: You are doing very well. I wish you to continue as you have been doing. If I have something that needs to be said, I will say so in light of your questions, similarly as I did a few moments ago when you asked about the need for human co-creative participation.
*Using this venue effectively
*Using this venue effectively
MMc: As the moderator of this venue, I am charged with the way it is conducted. Would you make some suggestions of things I might do, or include to decrease the confusion of our audience? If there is anything we can do to make this venue better or more productive, would you please tell us?
MMc: As the moderator of this venue, I am charged with the way it is conducted. Would you make some suggestions of things I might do, or include to decrease the confusion of our audience? If there is anything we can do to make this venue better or more productive, would you please tell us?
MONJORONSON: I would be glad to. As you know, this is a private session and you are privy to the elements of discussion. By the answers I have given, you now have many more resources in reserve, as you discuss these similar topics with those who are not privy to this conversation, and these topics. Your influence can be hugely instrumental in those venues outside of this privileged conversation we are having, as to offer others, other ways of thinking about the topics that they are discussing
MONJORONSON: I would be glad to. As you know, this is a private session and you are privy to the elements of discussion. By the answers I have given, you now have many more resources in reserve, as you discuss these similar topics with those who are not privy to this conversation, and these topics. Your influence can be hugely instrumental in those venues outside of this privileged conversation we are having, as to offer others, other ways of thinking about the topics that they are discussing. I give you one example, which you can expand easily to at least a dozen or more. That is the thoughts of me coming to this world as a babe. The discerning mind would say, “Has Monjoronson changed his mind as to how he would come to this world? And have the Ancients of Days as well, changed their minds about how he will come here to this world? And if so, what advantages would that serve? Or is this simply conflicting information, a desired for wish to reincarnate a Divine individual, similarly as Christ Michael did, and create a new Savior complex in the world?” So you see, using a discerning mind with the historical references that we have established in the years heretofore, provides discerning minds with plenty to discuss in dealing with new information that is conflicting.
Your use as a moderator is important in this venue as a point of education for you. You now are a part of several venues, related to my work, and it is important that you have a solid foundation of what is and what is not, what is hoped for and what is wished for, what is desired and what is not. Your openness to receive guidance during this session by your question you just asked is very important to us and to me. We will therefore be far more open to apply changes in direction and guidance to you in this format.
Your use as a moderator is important in this venue as a point of education for you. You now are a part of several venues, related to my work, and it is important that you have a solid foundation of what is and what is not, what is hoped for and what is wished for, what is desired and what is not. Your openness to receive guidance during this session by your question you just asked is very important to us and to me. We will therefore be far more open to apply changes in direction and guidance to you in this format.
MMc: Thank you, very much!
MMc: Thank you, very much!
*Separating private versus public sections for publication
*Separating private versus public sections for publication
This session was to be conducted privately, off the record, but is there any part of it you would like us to make public?
This session was to be conducted privately, off the record, but is there any part of it you would like us to make public?
R: Yes, and I want to thank you personally because I learned sooo much today! It has greatly eased my mind about several things.
R: Yes, and I want to thank you personally because I learned sooo much today! It has greatly eased my mind about several things.
MONJORONSON: You are most welcome, and I invite you, my staff invites you to call again on a 1:1, candid, closed session private session, whenever you wish. It is important that we begin to publish these special sessions, and I recommend to you that you edit this session, for the total content will be private, but you are welcome to—and I encourage you—to publish that which is useful to everyone, that is not controversial, to establish that we are back on line and that we are beginning to generate material for our readership. (R: Very good. Thank you.
MONJORONSON: You are most welcome, and I invite you, my staff invites you to call again on a 1:1, candid, closed session private session, whenever you wish. It is important that we begin to publish these special sessions, and I recommend to you that you edit this session, for the total content will be private, but you are welcome to—and I encourage you—to publish that which is useful to everyone, that is not controversial, to establish that we are back on line and that we are beginning to generate material for our readership. (R: Very good. Thank you.) We wish therefore, not to go off line, as we have for the last seven or eight months, as this creates a vacuum where others try to fill with other material. You have seen how this has led to great difficulty and not the consistency of the message that I have been providing.
Now, I end my presence to you. My personal touch upon your third eye, your mind. I am with you now, dear ones, touching you to the quick, to the core, to the heart, to the soul of you so that my embrace, my presence will remain with you, very similarly as the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Truth is with you. You know me whether you read my words, or hear me speak to you. You know who I am; you have been with me, and I have been with you. Blessings to you, dear ones, as you go about your day in the weeks ahead. God is blessing you as God blesses me—we are One in the Blessing of All. Good day.
===Closing===
===Closing===
Now, I end my presence to you with my personal touch upon your third eye, your mind. I am with you now, dear ones, touching you to the quick, to the core, to the heart, to the soul of you so that my embrace, my presence will remain with you, very similarly as the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Truth is with you. You know me whether you read my words, or hear me speak to you. You know who I am; you have been with me, and I have been with you. Blessings to you, dear ones, as you go about your day in the weeks ahead. God is blessing you as God blesses me—we are One in the Blessing of All. Good day.
Now, I end my presence to you with my personal touch upon your third eye, your mind. I am with you now, dear ones, touching you to the quick, to the core, to the heart, to the soul of you so that my embrace, my presence will remain with you, very similarly as the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Truth is with you. You know me whether you read my words, or hear me speak to you. You know who I am; you have been with me, and I have been with you. Blessings to you, dear ones, as you go about your day in the weeks ahead. God is blessing you as God blesses me—we are One in the Blessing of All. Good day.
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