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MMc:  Thank you.  Is this question and answer format that we are involved in typical of the educational system beyond the finite level, the rest of the universe?

MMc:  Thank you.  Is this question and answer format that we are involved in typical of the educational system beyond the finite level, the rest of the universe?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, it is.  The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method Socratic Method] is a [[wonderful]] example of “Seek and ye shall find; ask and you will have answers.”  It is a [[process]] which is never ending, and even in the days when you are a member of the [[Corps of Finality]], you will still have [[questions]], and these will be answered in the [[moments]] of [[infinite]] [[time]].  It is difficult to [[speak]] of time or in the [[future]] from a [[perspective]] of the [[eternal]].  The [[juxtaposition]] between speaking of the [[presence]] in the [[eternal]] moment, and the presence in the moment here in the [[Spacetime|finite universe]] is much [[different]].  Here, everything is [[sequential]], but in the [[eternal]] realm it is completely [[developmental]].

MONJORONSON:  Yes, it is.  The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method Socratic Method] is a [[wonderful]] example of “Seek and ye shall find; ask and you will have answers.”  It is a [[process]] which is never ending, and even in the days when you are a member of the [[Corps of Finality]], you will still have [[questions]], and these will be answered in the [[moments]] of [[infinite]] [[time]].  It is difficult to [[speak]] of time or in the [[future]] from a [[perspective]] of the [[eternal]].  The [[juxtaposition]] between speaking of the [[presence]] in the [[eternal]] moment, and the presence in the moment here in the [[Spacetime|finite universe]] is much [[different]].  Here, everything is [[sequential]], but in the [[eternal]] realm it is completely [[developmental]].

   

   

MMc:  Completely developmental?  Can you enlarge that a little bit for me, because I’m not sure I [[understand]] what you are talking about.?

MMc:  Completely developmental?  Can you enlarge that a little bit for me, because I’m not sure I [[understand]] what you are talking about.?

MMc:  It would seem that we are much “more” working [[together]] than we ever will be working separately.  

MMc:  It would seem that we are much “more” working [[together]] than we ever will be working separately.  

   

   

I’ve been giving some [[thought]] to the equitable [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare healthcare] system for everyone.  I can see that there needs to be some substantial [[changes]] in [[thinking]], not only on my own part, but in the [[culture]] of society as well.  Am I correct in [[thinking]] that you said these changes will come about in the next decade or so?

I’ve been giving some [[thought]] to the equitable [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare healthcare] system for everyone.  I can see that there needs to be some substantial [[changes]] in [[thinking]], not only on my own part, but in the [[culture]] of society as well.  Am I correct in [[thinking]] that you said these changes will come about in the next decade or so?

===='''''[[Health]]''''', '''''[[Quality of Life]]''''', '''''[[Euthanasia]]'''''====

===='''''[[Health]]''''', '''''[[Quality of Life]]''''', '''''[[Euthanasia]]'''''====

*Making major changes in our culture in regard to Healthcare

*Making major changes in our culture in regard to Healthcare

MONJORONSON:  Yes, we anticipate that they will come about in the next decade or so, between ten to fifteen years.  It is a [[culture]]-bending [[process]], which means that it changes the [[beliefs]] and [[opinions]] and [[attitudes]] and [[perspectives]] and [[expectations]] of everyone who is involved.  And of course, as every human [[mortal]] has a [[body]], it involves every one of you.  A major [[change]] will be from moving your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare healthcare] system from [[profit]] making, as a profit center, to a [[service]] center, which is self-supportive and [[sustainable]].  We have spoken of that before.  This will be the first and most important [[attitudinal]] [[change]] in this field for it to become sustainable.  [[Profits]] tend to skew, change, or bend the rules of [[service]] to [[individuals]].  It is important that the healthcare system becomes sustainable so that it approaches the treatment of individuals and their bodies, [[minds]], [[emotions]] and spirit in a holistic way, rather than the whole-ism being centered on the [[profit]] making centers.  Do you [[understand]]?

MONJORONSON:  Yes, we anticipate that they will come about in the next decade or so, between ten to fifteen years.  It is a [[culture]]-bending [[process]], which means that it changes the [[beliefs]] and [[opinions]] and [[attitudes]] and [[perspectives]] and [[expectations]] of everyone who is involved.  And of course, as every human [[mortal]] has a [[body]], it involves every one of you.  A major [[change]] will be from moving your [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare healthcare] system from [[profit]] making, as a profit center, to a [[service]] center, which is self-supportive and [[sustainable]].  We have spoken of that before.  This will be the first and most important [[attitudinal]] [[change]] in this field for it to become sustainable.  [[Profits]] tend to skew, change, or bend the rules of [[service]] to [[individuals]].  It is important that the healthcare system becomes sustainable so that it approaches the treatment of individuals and their bodies, [[minds]], [[emotions]] and spirit in a holistic way, rather than the whole-ism being centered on the [[profit]] making centers.  Do you [[understand]]?

   

   

MMc:  Yes, I do.  Are these changes going to be [made] out of [[necessity]]?

MMc:  Yes, I do.  Are these changes going to be [made] out of [[necessity]]?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, you will continue to see an aggravation [between] those who have and those who have not.  What is occurring in the “[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street Occupy Wall Street]” phenomena is also part and parcel replicated in the [[difficulties]] of healthcare, where those who have means have [[opportunities]] to healthcare, and those who do not have means, do not have opportunity for healthcare or it is severely [[limited]].  You will find in the [[future]] that healthcare will take on a [[different]] hue to it, a different tenor.  It will not be viewed as “life at any cost,” but [[focus]] on the “[[quality of life]]” that is reasonable for everyone.  Those who are egregiously [[wealthy]], of course, will have the [[options]] for [[extension of life]] at any cost, whereas everyone else will have quality healthcare that may not include those ultimate, extra-ordinary treatments to continue their lives.  In the [[medical]] [[profession]] there has been a “head-in-the-sand” attitude towards [[death]], and that it is “life at any cost.”  This is unreasonable—unreasonable when you realize that approximately 80% of all [[medical]] costs are spent on [[individuals]] who die within two weeks.  This is not realistic.  [[Death]] is a [[natural]] [[process]], it [can be] very welcome.  It will come under great scrutiny in the [[future]], and it will not be a [[mysterious]], unknown [[decision]] process.  Yes, there is always room for [[miracles]], and miracles will be [[demonstrated]] perhaps on an even more frequent basis in the [[future]] in the medical services field.  Questions of the [[morality]] of who should die and who should live will not be a question at all, but rather it will be a situation where those who have the [[capacity]] to enjoy quality life after treatment will [[receive]] that treatment.  It is all about the [[quality of life]] and living.

MONJORONSON:  Yes, you will continue to see an aggravation [between] those who have and those who have not.  What is occurring in the “[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street Occupy Wall Street]” phenomena is also part and parcel replicated in the [[difficulties]] of healthcare, where those who have means have [[opportunities]] to healthcare, and those who do not have means, do not have opportunity for healthcare or it is severely [[limited]].  You will find in the [[future]] that healthcare will take on a [[different]] hue to it, a different tenor.  It will not be viewed as “life at any cost,” but [[focus]] on the “[[quality of life]]” that is reasonable for everyone.  Those who are egregiously [[wealthy]], of course, will have the [[options]] for [[extension of life]] at any cost, whereas everyone else will have quality healthcare that may not include those ultimate, extra-ordinary treatments to continue their lives.  In the [[medical]] [[profession]] there has been a “head-in-the-sand” attitude towards [[death]], and that it is “life at any cost.”  This is unreasonable—unreasonable when you realize that approximately 80% of all [[medical]] costs are spent on [[individuals]] who die within two weeks.  This is not realistic.  [[Death]] is a [[natural]] [[process]], it [can be] very welcome.  It will come under great scrutiny in the [[future]], and it will not be a [[mysterious]], unknown [[decision]] process.  Yes, there is always room for [[miracles]], and miracles will be [[demonstrated]] perhaps on an even more frequent basis in the [[future]] in the medical services field.  Questions of the [[morality]] of who should die and who should live will not be a question at all, but rather it will be a situation where those who have the [[capacity]] to enjoy quality life after treatment will [[receive]] that treatment.  It is all about the [[quality of life]] and living.

   

   

MMc:  Thank you.  You made that much [[clearer]] to me.

MMc:  Thank you.  You made that much [[clearer]] to me.

MONJORONSON:  Yes, it is.

MONJORONSON:  Yes, it is.

   

   

MMc:  I wanted to [[share]] that by utilizing the [http://www.holisticsoul.com/Schematic_For_Sustainability_8_11.pdf Schematic for Sustainability] and the three core [[values]], we are able to create a situation where most people that are looking for solutions, can actually find them.  So, I believe that a [[TR]] wouldn’t necessarily be required for the [[process]] to go on.  Each of the [[individuals]] involved should be able through their own [[Guardian Angels|guardians]] and [[Father Fragment]] to—if they are committed to actually doing the [[process]]—come up with some [[ideas]] that would be along the same lines as a [[teacher]], as a celestial, in [[leading]] the [[group]].  You need somebody that will be perhaps in better touch than others, a [[facilitator]], to keep the [[discussion]] moving along in the proper [[direction]], and perhaps our friends will come to our aid here and help us move these ideas forward.

MMc:  I wanted to [[share]] that by utilizing the [https://www.holisticsoul.com/Schematic_For_Sustainability_8_11.pdf Schematic for Sustainability] and the three core [[values]], we are able to create a situation where most people that are looking for solutions, can actually find them.  So, I believe that a [[TR]] wouldn’t necessarily be required for the [[process]] to go on.  Each of the [[individuals]] involved should be able through their own [[Guardian Angels|guardians]] and [[Father Fragment]] to—if they are committed to actually doing the [[process]]—come up with some [[ideas]] that would be along the same lines as a [[teacher]], as a celestial, in [[leading]] the [[group]].  You need somebody that will be perhaps in better touch than others, a [[facilitator]], to keep the [[discussion]] moving along in the proper [[direction]], and perhaps our friends will come to our aid here and help us move these ideas forward.

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, you are correct.  Each team must be a team where there are [[individual]] roles.  There are the individuals who ask [[questions]], a [[facilitator]], a recorder and a consultant.  The consultant can be the consulting [[Melchizedek]] or it can be a [[mortal]], acting in that capacity to backup the facilitator.  You will find in the [[future]] that there will be sustainability design teams that have no [[God]]-centered [[individuals]] [[participating]], and we hold no [[judgment]] about that, but encourage them to work the [[process]].  In some groups everyone is God-centered, but no one actually transmits/receives, and that will be fine, they can produce.  As you suggest, they can go aside, consult within themselves, and go into the [[space]] of no [[thought]] to receive [[guidance]] from their spiritual advisors.  [[Encourage]] this development, because it then raises the spiritual [[capacity]] of individual members and assists us in developing their [[ascendant career]].  

MONJORONSON:  Yes, you are correct.  Each team must be a team where there are [[individual]] roles.  There are the individuals who ask [[questions]], a [[facilitator]], a recorder and a consultant.  The consultant can be the consulting [[Melchizedek]] or it can be a [[mortal]], acting in that capacity to backup the facilitator.  You will find in the [[future]] that there will be sustainability design teams that have no [[God]]-centered [[individuals]] [[participating]], and we hold no [[judgment]] about that, but encourage them to work the [[process]].  In some groups everyone is God-centered, but no one actually transmits/receives, and that will be fine, they can produce.  As you suggest, they can go aside, consult within themselves, and go into the [[space]] of no [[thought]] to receive [[guidance]] from their spiritual advisors.  [[Encourage]] this development, because it then raises the spiritual [[capacity]] of individual members and assists us in developing their [[ascendant career]].  

MMc:  Are there just [[three]] [[values]]?  I am reminded that the [[finite]] [[universe]] is composed basically of just three [[particles]].  [[The Trinity]] is composed of just three [[individuals]].  Are there other [[values]] that we should embrace as well?

MMc:  Are there just [[three]] [[values]]?  I am reminded that the [[finite]] [[universe]] is composed basically of just three [[particles]].  [[The Trinity]] is composed of just three [[individuals]].  Are there other [[values]] that we should embrace as well?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, you will [[discover]] them after you find that the three values do not answer all of your [[questions]].  You will find this very similar to [[geometry]], where there are [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrolary corollaries] and [[principles]] and [[truths]] and supporting [[developments]], that you will find a [[structure]] of truth that supports these three main values.  You will find that you may wish to call these other [[principles]] “values,” if you wish, but they continue to support the three main values.  There may be secondary values, but you will find that once you get into secondary and tertiary [[values]], that you will proceed in the realm of [[argumentation]] and opinionation between [[individuals]] about that.  Therefore, we teach only the three principle [[values]] at this time, because they are [[Supernal]]; they are of such [[nature]] that they supercede all other values, that these are enduring and [[eternal]], and they support [[the whole universe]].  They are the [[principles]], the [[values]] that guide the [[development]] of new [[Creator Son]] [[universes]].

MONJORONSON:  Yes, you will [[discover]] them after you find that the three values do not answer all of your [[questions]].  You will find this very similar to [[geometry]], where there are [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrolary corollaries] and [[principles]] and [[truths]] and supporting [[developments]], that you will find a [[structure]] of truth that supports these three main values.  You will find that you may wish to call these other [[principles]] “values,” if you wish, but they continue to support the three main values.  There may be secondary values, but you will find that once you get into secondary and tertiary [[values]], that you will proceed in the realm of [[argumentation]] and opinionation between [[individuals]] about that.  Therefore, we teach only the three principle [[values]] at this time, because they are [[Supernal]]; they are of such [[nature]] that they supercede all other values, that these are enduring and [[eternal]], and they support [[the whole universe]].  They are the [[principles]], the [[values]] that guide the [[development]] of new [[Creator Son]] [[universes]].

===='''''[[Institutions]]''''', '''''[[Population]]'''''====

===='''''[[Institutions]]''''', '''''[[Population]]'''''====

Of a world that is fully occupied, you have international [[communication]] systems that are [[instantaneous]].  You have [[media]] which is available to the vast, vast [[majority]] of [[individuals]], so that we can take [[advantage]] of those [[technologies]].  You have also, an ever enlarging group, who are involved in the [[conscious]] [[evolution]] of [[this world]] and their principle work has been to evolve the [[consciousness]] of the [[minds]] of participants in their [[efforts]] to reach out in the consciousness to those of the rest of the world.  This is the non-electronic global [[communication]] system, and it is proving very capable as well as it grows and as [[individuals]] in that group do not seek personal adulation and [[aggrandizement]], but to be of [[honest]], authentic, genuine [[service]] to the good of the [[consciousness]] of your world.  So do you see how these [[developments]] are coming [[together]]?  

Of a world that is fully occupied, you have international [[communication]] systems that are [[instantaneous]].  You have [[media]] which is available to the vast, vast [[majority]] of [[individuals]], so that we can take [[advantage]] of those [[technologies]].  You have also, an ever enlarging group, who are involved in the [[conscious]] [[evolution]] of [[this world]] and their principle work has been to evolve the [[consciousness]] of the [[minds]] of participants in their [[efforts]] to reach out in the consciousness to those of the rest of the world.  This is the non-electronic global [[communication]] system, and it is proving very capable as well as it grows and as [[individuals]] in that group do not seek personal adulation and [[aggrandizement]], but to be of [[honest]], authentic, genuine [[service]] to the good of the [[consciousness]] of your world.  So do you see how these [[developments]] are coming [[together]]?  

   

   

The beginnings of that “[[garden]],” so to speak, were planted in the [[Renaissance]], in the [[Age of Enlightenment]], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution Industrial Revolution].  There has been a great [[sacrifice]] in the [[quality of life]] during those [[developments]], but they are ones that are [[anticipated]] and known.  [The current [[revolution]]] is one that gives need for [[conscious]] amendment to develop these [[industries]] and your [[technologies]] and your societies into [[sustainable]] [[entities]].  So, when you begin to look at our [[efforts]], you [[realize]] we have our fingers into every pie that is available to us to become involved in.  We are here, we are [[established]], we are not going away, we are not retreating and we are going to be here through thick and thin with you, through the times of travail and loss, through the times of jubilation and [[joy]].

The beginnings of that “[[garden]],” so to speak, were planted in the [[Renaissance]], in the [[Age of Enlightenment]], the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution Industrial Revolution].  There has been a great [[sacrifice]] in the [[quality of life]] during those [[developments]], but they are ones that are [[anticipated]] and known.  [The current [[revolution]]] is one that gives need for [[conscious]] amendment to develop these [[industries]] and your [[technologies]] and your societies into [[sustainable]] [[entities]].  So, when you begin to look at our [[efforts]], you [[realize]] we have our fingers into every pie that is available to us to become involved in.  We are here, we are [[established]], we are not going away, we are not retreating and we are going to be here through thick and thin with you, through the times of travail and loss, through the times of jubilation and [[joy]].

   

   

MMc:  I can see that this is a [[developmental]] situation.  We are taking this venue and others like it, and then the [[co-creative]] design teams, and what is happening now are the developmental steps that will move us slightly along the line that will [[eventually]] lead to the people of [[Urantia]] coming to complete [[agreement]] with our [[celestial]] brethren.  As you say, that is going to be an [[eventuality]] that may be thousands of years in the [[future]], but we are taking the first steps today.

MMc:  I can see that this is a [[developmental]] situation.  We are taking this venue and others like it, and then the [[co-creative]] design teams, and what is happening now are the developmental steps that will move us slightly along the line that will [[eventually]] lead to the people of [[Urantia]] coming to complete [[agreement]] with our [[celestial]] brethren.  As you say, that is going to be an [[eventuality]] that may be thousands of years in the [[future]], but we are taking the first steps today.

   

   

MONJORONSON:  You have to begin somewhere.  You will see that in many ways, your [[nation]] and all [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_nations technologically developed democracies] in the world are poised—unconsciously poised—to take on this tremendous [[social]] [[change]] very rapidly, once it becomes [[revealed]] and known and developed.  Most people had no [[idea]] about the rapid development of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google Google], or of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook Face Book], the social media.  In many ways, what we will be doing will be a different form of [[media]], but it will be no less global and no less active than Google and Face Book.  To make itself [[sustainable]] is not an issue to us at this time as we are in the [[developmental]] [[phases]] of designing this so that this [[process]] itself becomes sustainable, authentic, genuine and [[honest]].

MONJORONSON:  You have to begin somewhere.  You will see that in many ways, your [[nation]] and all [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_nations technologically developed democracies] in the world are poised—unconsciously poised—to take on this tremendous [[social]] [[change]] very rapidly, once it becomes [[revealed]] and known and developed.  Most people had no [[idea]] about the rapid development of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google Google], or of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook Face Book], the social media.  In many ways, what we will be doing will be a different form of [[media]], but it will be no less global and no less active than Google and Face Book.  To make itself [[sustainable]] is not an issue to us at this time as we are in the [[developmental]] [[phases]] of designing this so that this [[process]] itself becomes sustainable, authentic, genuine and [[honest]].

   

   

You will see almost a similar kind of [[change]] as when the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile automobile] or motorized vehicle began to replace horse-drawn vehicles and otherwise.  The immense amount of change will be extremely [[Speed|rapid]], then that [[rate]] of change will decrease, but it will become more extensive.

You will see almost a similar kind of [[change]] as when the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile automobile] or motorized vehicle began to replace horse-drawn vehicles and otherwise.  The immense amount of change will be extremely [[Speed|rapid]], then that [[rate]] of change will decrease, but it will become more extensive.

   

   

MMc:  At your suggestion, I read “[[Paper 72 - Government on a Neighboring Planet|Government on a Neighboring Planet,” paper 72]] from The [[Urantia Book]].  You are correct that their [[moral]] code is different from our own, but I [[anticipate]] that we will have to make some of the same [[changes]] in our moral code.  Is this correct?

MMc:  At your suggestion, I read “[[Paper 72 - Government on a Neighboring Planet|Government on a Neighboring Planet,” paper 72]] from The [[Urantia Book]].  You are correct that their [[moral]] code is different from our own, but I [[anticipate]] that we will have to make some of the same [[changes]] in our moral code.  Is this correct?

I have two questions about this sentence:  What caused the [[profit]] [[motive]] to go out of [[favor]]?

I have two questions about this sentence:  What caused the [[profit]] [[motive]] to go out of [[favor]]?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Because it was not [[sustainable]].  When you [[explore]] a [[market]] and you saturate that market, and you increase your [[revenues]] by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mergers_and_acquisitions mergers and acquisitions], soon you [[dominate]] the whole global market.  Then what?  Then how do you [[grow]]?  You cannot; you [[maintain]].  You become sustainable and that is what you will see within the next, less than 200 years here on [[Urantia]].  There is only so much product you can sell; there are only so many [[goods]] that you can make available to people.  The [[problem]] is exacerbated by a world that is becoming overly saturated with people.  [[Markets]] have grown in the past due to [[population]] [[growth]] and as [[individuals]] became more [[wealthy]] and acquisitive and had the capability to buy more [[goods]].  When these [[dynamic]] market and [[social]] processes begin to diminish or begin to be completed, then the amount of profitability decreases.  

MONJORONSON:  Because it was not [[sustainable]].  When you [[explore]] a [[market]] and you saturate that market, and you increase your [[revenues]] by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mergers_and_acquisitions mergers and acquisitions], soon you [[dominate]] the whole global market.  Then what?  Then how do you [[grow]]?  You cannot; you [[maintain]].  You become sustainable and that is what you will see within the next, less than 200 years here on [[Urantia]].  There is only so much product you can sell; there are only so many [[goods]] that you can make available to people.  The [[problem]] is exacerbated by a world that is becoming overly saturated with people.  [[Markets]] have grown in the past due to [[population]] [[growth]] and as [[individuals]] became more [[wealthy]] and acquisitive and had the capability to buy more [[goods]].  When these [[dynamic]] market and [[social]] processes begin to diminish or begin to be completed, then the amount of profitability decreases.  

   

   

Many, many corporate and international corporate planners [[realize]] that this is what is in the [[future]] and that is why you see such aggressive [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mergers_and_acquisitions mergers and acquisitions] by large [[corporations]] and why you have seen the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-colonialism neo-colonialism] that has occurred on your world.  It is because it is a [[finite]] [[planet]], and that the place to be is to [[dominate]] the [[market]] before the decrease of [[population]], so that your marketing and your production [[infrastructures]] are established and so that they can become dormant or decrease, or you can close production as [[necessary]] as [[population]] decreases, but still remain in [[existence]] after the population becomes [[stabilized]].  The [[economy]] is finite; it is [[limited]]. It is a known [[factor]] and is little [[shared]] on [[your planet]] because very few people want to know about it and investors and boards of directors of [[corporations]] do not want to have that [as] part of their [[consciousness]].  They feel that there is still much to do and much of the [[market]] to work yet, to maintain high [[profits]].  The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_recession recent recession] that you have seen in this [[nation]] and western nations offers a sample of what you will see in the [[future]].  The high-flying profitability of the “90s in the first decade of this millennium cannot be maintained—it is impossible.  Those were the “good old days,” and you are seeing them now as you live them out.

Many, many corporate and international corporate planners [[realize]] that this is what is in the [[future]] and that is why you see such aggressive [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mergers_and_acquisitions mergers and acquisitions] by large [[corporations]] and why you have seen the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-colonialism neo-colonialism] that has occurred on your world.  It is because it is a [[finite]] [[planet]], and that the place to be is to [[dominate]] the [[market]] before the decrease of [[population]], so that your marketing and your production [[infrastructures]] are established and so that they can become dormant or decrease, or you can close production as [[necessary]] as [[population]] decreases, but still remain in [[existence]] after the population becomes [[stabilized]].  The [[economy]] is finite; it is [[limited]]. It is a known [[factor]] and is little [[shared]] on [[your planet]] because very few people want to know about it and investors and boards of directors of [[corporations]] do not want to have that [as] part of their [[consciousness]].  They feel that there is still much to do and much of the [[market]] to work yet, to maintain high [[profits]].  The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_recession recent recession] that you have seen in this [[nation]] and western nations offers a sample of what you will see in the [[future]].  The high-flying profitability of the “90s in the first decade of this millennium cannot be maintained—it is impossible.  Those were the “good old days,” and you are seeing them now as you live them out.

   

   

MMc:  I really do not know how to [[respond]] to that.  Perhaps I am one of those that are [[reacting]] to this without realizing what is going on in the [[minds]] of the few, as I am still tucked in with the minds of the [[masses]].

MMc:  I really do not know how to [[respond]] to that.  Perhaps I am one of those that are [[reacting]] to this without realizing what is going on in the [[minds]] of the few, as I am still tucked in with the minds of the [[masses]].

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===='''''[[Physics]]'''''====  

*Discovering the “God” particle

*Discovering the “God” particle

MMc:  The [[2011-12-16-Conversations with Monjoronson 36|last time we met]], you said, “Your scientists are on the cusp of revealing that they have discovered the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson Higgs boson particle], the ''God particle'', as it is called by some people, the [[ultimaton]] as it is mentioned in The [[Urantia Book]].”[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2011-12-16-Conversations_with_Monjoronson_36#Consciousness]  Did you mean that the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson Higgs boson] “is” the [[ultimaton]]?

MMc:  The [[2011-12-16-Conversations with Monjoronson 36|last time we met]], you said, “Your scientists are on the cusp of revealing that they have discovered the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson Higgs boson particle], the ''God particle'', as it is called by some people, the [[ultimaton]] as it is mentioned in The [[Urantia Book]].”[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2011-12-16-Conversations_with_Monjoronson_36#Consciousness]  Did you mean that the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson Higgs boson] “is” the [[ultimaton]]?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  No, I did not mean to say that.  I said that they were on the verge of [[discovering]] it.  Your [[scientists]] have a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider new tool] at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN CERN], and it is giving them much more accessibility to what they call, “the [[secrets]] of [[the universe]].”  They, through this [[particle]] [[development]], have begun to unravel the last knot of those [[secrets]], and that they are about to find that.  If you follow this through [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN#References scientific articles], you will see the [[wonderful]] work that they are doing.  They are very much like hounds on the trail of a raccoon, and will soon have this [[particle]] treed and identified in its location, and how it behaves and how it, in part, contributes to [[the universe]].  Once they discover this [[particle]], then they will have the other side of the [[mirror]] to look at.  They are right now looking in the mirror trying to find this particle.  The other side of that is how it contributes to how [[the universe]] is put [[together]].  This will be the greatest of all [[discoveries]], after this particle is identified.

MONJORONSON:  No, I did not mean to say that.  I said that they were on the verge of [[discovering]] it.  Your [[scientists]] have a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider new tool] at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN CERN], and it is giving them much more accessibility to what they call, “the [[secrets]] of [[the universe]].”  They, through this [[particle]] [[development]], have begun to unravel the last knot of those [[secrets]], and that they are about to find that.  If you follow this through [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN#References scientific articles], you will see the [[wonderful]] work that they are doing.  They are very much like hounds on the trail of a raccoon, and will soon have this [[particle]] treed and identified in its location, and how it behaves and how it, in part, contributes to [[the universe]].  Once they discover this [[particle]], then they will have the other side of the [[mirror]] to look at.  They are right now looking in the mirror trying to find this particle.  The other side of that is how it contributes to how [[the universe]] is put [[together]].  This will be the greatest of all [[discoveries]], after this particle is identified.

   

   

MMc:  The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson Higgs particle] is supposedly a [[force]] carrier for [[mass]] within the laws of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_physics particle physics] or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_physics#Standard_Model standard model for particle physics].  Would you like to comment about that?

MMc:  The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson Higgs particle] is supposedly a [[force]] carrier for [[mass]] within the laws of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_physics particle physics] or the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_physics#Standard_Model standard model for particle physics].  Would you like to comment about that?

===='''''[[Cosmology]]'''''====

===='''''[[Cosmology]]'''''====

*Expansion of the universe

*Expansion of the universe

MONJORONSON:  Yes, one moment, please.  There are three [[attributes]] of this [[particle]], which need to be brought together.  One is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson the particle] itself, another is the development of [[mass]], and the last is [[gravity]].  Simply identifying [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson the particle] is just part of the [[puzzle]].  The other parts must be, as well, put together in that puzzle.  When that occurs—and we [[anticipate]] that will occur within the next 10 years, your [[physicists]] will then [[understand]] why your universe seems to be expanding at such an increasingly [[Speed|rapid]] [[rate]].  Many of your scientists have [[wondered]] how it is that the rate of expansion of [[the universe]] is increasing.  This, as you know, is quite a [[simplistic]] question.  If you understand [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtonian_physics Newtonian physics], the rate of increase of an object falling in [[gravity]] towards [[earth]], is a 32 feet/sec/sec. [or 32.174 ft/sec2,] and continues to increase.  For you to apply that to [[the universe]], you have to come to the [[conclusion]] that your [[finite]] material universe is falling “out,” for it is something outside itself that is causing the ever-increasing [[rate]] of expansion.  

MONJORONSON:  Yes, one moment, please.  There are three [[attributes]] of this [[particle]], which need to be brought together.  One is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson the particle] itself, another is the development of [[mass]], and the last is [[gravity]].  Simply identifying [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson the particle] is just part of the [[puzzle]].  The other parts must be, as well, put together in that puzzle.  When that occurs—and we [[anticipate]] that will occur within the next 10 years, your [[physicists]] will then [[understand]] why your universe seems to be expanding at such an increasingly [[Speed|rapid]] [[rate]].  Many of your scientists have [[wondered]] how it is that the rate of expansion of [[the universe]] is increasing.  This, as you know, is quite a [[simplistic]] question.  If you understand [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtonian_physics Newtonian physics], the rate of increase of an object falling in [[gravity]] towards [[earth]], is a 32 feet/sec/sec. [or 32.174 ft/sec2,] and continues to increase.  For you to apply that to [[the universe]], you have to come to the [[conclusion]] that your [[finite]] material universe is falling “out,” for it is something outside itself that is causing the ever-increasing [[rate]] of expansion.  

   

   

Your [[scientists]] have not conceived of the [[magnitude]] of [[the universe]] and the [[outer space]] [[dimensions]] that go on for several layers outwardly.  What they have not realized is that there is undifferentiated [[mass]] that is forming, that exists outside your known universe, and that your material [[universe]] is [[attracted]] to it.  It is undifferentiated at this time, but has mass.  It is as though it were a [[halo]] around your finite universe as [[mass]], but has not differentiated into [[suns]] and [[planets]] and [[nebula]].  That has to do with the infusion of [[gravity]], which is a [[God]]-given [[attribute]].  Divisions have not been made yet to differentiate the first [[outer space]] levels into [[suns]] and [[nebula]].  Expansion of your material, [[finite]] universe is not complete.  It will not go on forever, but it will have a [[pulse]], it will have a collapse and expansion.  Collapse does not mean the collapse into a ball that will explode later, creating another “[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang big bang],” but simply a [[pulse]]—expansion and contraction, [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Big_Bang_Never_Happened#The_Respiratory_Universe_Model expansion and contraction].  The expansion of the [[finite]] [[universe]] is caused by the eternal source, while its contraction is caused by the attractive gravity from the [[center]] of [[the universe]].  You might say that the “[[breath]] of [[God]]” exhales for expansion, and inhales on contraction.[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Big_Bang_Never_Happened#The_Respiratory_Universe_Model]  Expansion is now going on and it will approximate a region just before the [[outer space]] level circuit.  What you will see when these three elements are put together by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_physics particle physicists] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrophysics astrophysicists], is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_field_theory unified theory], which will [[literally]] drop their jaws onto their chests.  They will come to the [[realization]] that they have grossly underestimated the vastness of [[the universe]] and its age as well.

Your [[scientists]] have not conceived of the [[magnitude]] of [[the universe]] and the [[outer space]] [[dimensions]] that go on for several layers outwardly.  What they have not realized is that there is undifferentiated [[mass]] that is forming, that exists outside your known universe, and that your material [[universe]] is [[attracted]] to it.  It is undifferentiated at this time, but has mass.  It is as though it were a [[halo]] around your finite universe as [[mass]], but has not differentiated into [[suns]] and [[planets]] and [[nebula]].  That has to do with the infusion of [[gravity]], which is a [[God]]-given [[attribute]].  Divisions have not been made yet to differentiate the first [[outer space]] levels into [[suns]] and [[nebula]].  Expansion of your material, [[finite]] universe is not complete.  It will not go on forever, but it will have a [[pulse]], it will have a collapse and expansion.  Collapse does not mean the collapse into a ball that will explode later, creating another “[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang big bang],” but simply a [[pulse]]—expansion and contraction, [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Big_Bang_Never_Happened#The_Respiratory_Universe_Model expansion and contraction].  The expansion of the [[finite]] [[universe]] is caused by the eternal source, while its contraction is caused by the attractive gravity from the [[center]] of [[the universe]].  You might say that the “[[breath]] of [[God]]” exhales for expansion, and inhales on contraction.[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Big_Bang_Never_Happened#The_Respiratory_Universe_Model]  Expansion is now going on and it will approximate a region just before the [[outer space]] level circuit.  What you will see when these three elements are put together by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_physics particle physicists] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrophysics astrophysicists], is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_field_theory unified theory], which will [[literally]] drop their jaws onto their chests.  They will come to the [[realization]] that they have grossly underestimated the vastness of [[the universe]] and its age as well.

   

   

MMc:  I have several more [[questions]] that have been posed by our [[readers]], and we are at an hour and twenty minutes, roughly.  Daniel, do you [[feel]] that you can go on, or do you want me to stop here?

MMc:  I have several more [[questions]] that have been posed by our [[readers]], and we are at an hour and twenty minutes, roughly.  Daniel, do you [[feel]] that you can go on, or do you want me to stop here?

MMc:  You said that they are [[selfish]] and god-like.  I’m not sure how those two go [[together]].  Is it that they see themselves as god-like and they are trying to pose greater order on the world?

MMc:  You said that they are [[selfish]] and god-like.  I’m not sure how those two go [[together]].  Is it that they see themselves as god-like and they are trying to pose greater order on the world?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  They are acting in god-like ways, with a small “g”.  The gods of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology Greek mythology] were god-like, with a small “g”.  You must, in this [[process]] of [[discerning]], discern whether these are [[behaviors]] and actions are detrimental and immoral, whether they are neutral, or whether they are [[positive]] and contributory to the [[good]], [[moral]] development of your world.  Many people who have been castigated as [[evil]] are simply neutral and [[selfish]].  They act in [[selfish]], god-like ways that are self-serving.  They are mini-[[tyrants]] in some ways, having tantrums and so on.  You see them in [[politics]], some are very [[wealthy]] entrepreneurs and otherwise.  You see some who are in politics and very wealthy, but who are very God-like, with a capital “G.”  It is important to be [[discerning]], rather than casting stones of [[condemnation]] towards people who are otherwise not causing obvious harm.

MONJORONSON:  They are acting in god-like ways, with a small “g”.  The gods of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology Greek mythology] were god-like, with a small “g”.  You must, in this [[process]] of [[discerning]], discern whether these are [[behaviors]] and actions are detrimental and immoral, whether they are neutral, or whether they are [[positive]] and contributory to the [[good]], [[moral]] development of your world.  Many people who have been castigated as [[evil]] are simply neutral and [[selfish]].  They act in [[selfish]], god-like ways that are self-serving.  They are mini-[[tyrants]] in some ways, having tantrums and so on.  You see them in [[politics]], some are very [[wealthy]] entrepreneurs and otherwise.  You see some who are in politics and very wealthy, but who are very God-like, with a capital “G.”  It is important to be [[discerning]], rather than casting stones of [[condemnation]] towards people who are otherwise not causing obvious harm.

   

   

MMc:  I can see the [[difference]].  There is a group that I’ll call, “conspirators,” that think that there is a [[conspiracy]] among certain groups in our world to create [[wars]] in order to garner [[natural]] [[resources]] or to make [[money]].  These people thought that [[World War I]], and to a smaller extent, [[World War II]], were caused by the people that run the munitions factories, so that they might make [[profits]] due to the wars.  The conspiritists think that this type of thing does exist in our world.  So what you are saying is that we need to be more [[discerning]] about whether or not the people we are looking at are truly [[acting]] in a god-like way with a small “g”, or a large “G”, whether or not they are actually causing [[problems]] or simply seem so.  We need to be more discerning in the way we look at our world.  There isn’t a huge [[conspiracy]] going on to completely [[control]] us, by a group of individuals who have [[nefarious]] aims for our [[future]].

MMc:  I can see the [[difference]].  There is a group that I’ll call, “conspirators,” that think that there is a [[conspiracy]] among certain groups in our world to create [[wars]] in order to garner [[natural]] [[resources]] or to make [[money]].  These people thought that [[World War I]], and to a smaller extent, [[World War II]], were caused by the people that run the munitions factories, so that they might make [[profits]] due to the wars.  The conspiritists think that this type of thing does exist in our world.  So what you are saying is that we need to be more [[discerning]] about whether or not the people we are looking at are truly [[acting]] in a god-like way with a small “g”, or a large “G”, whether or not they are actually causing [[problems]] or simply seem so.  We need to be more discerning in the way we look at our world.  There isn’t a huge [[conspiracy]] going on to completely [[control]] us, by a group of individuals who have [[nefarious]] aims for our [[future]].

MMc:  Being we have been forewarned, and being we as a world [[community]] have given over our [[food]] to a system that will no longer be here after the coming [[cataclysm]], what should we be doing to [[prepare]], to avoid the [[survivors]] [[starving]] to [[death]]?

MMc:  Being we have been forewarned, and being we as a world [[community]] have given over our [[food]] to a system that will no longer be here after the coming [[cataclysm]], what should we be doing to [[prepare]], to avoid the [[survivors]] [[starving]] to [[death]]?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  The [[heart]] of your [[question]] is deeply, deeply disturbing to many people on your world.  You are already, in [[fact]], seeing the destruction of your [[food]] supplies on your world, due to mass [[changes]] in [[weather]] patterns.  There is either too much rainfall, or too little.  Huge swaths of arable land are being brought into [[desert]] conditions.  One end of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought_in_Australia#2010 Australia] is now undergoing its first decade of drought.  Areas that were once highly profitable for [[agriculture]] are now no longer existent, but dormant.  It can be once again reclaimed as farmland in the [[future]], when the rains return.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932011_Queensland_floods [Other] areas have received many times their annual rainfall], to cause destruction of farmlands.  You are now, at this [[moment]], seeing this great [[difficulty]].

MONJORONSON:  The [[heart]] of your [[question]] is deeply, deeply disturbing to many people on your world.  You are already, in [[fact]], seeing the destruction of your [[food]] supplies on your world, due to mass [[changes]] in [[weather]] patterns.  There is either too much rainfall, or too little.  Huge swaths of arable land are being brought into [[desert]] conditions.  One end of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought_in_Australia#2010 Australia] is now undergoing its first decade of drought.  Areas that were once highly profitable for [[agriculture]] are now no longer existent, but dormant.  It can be once again reclaimed as farmland in the [[future]], when the rains return.  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932011_Queensland_floods [Other] areas have received many times their annual rainfall], to cause destruction of farmlands.  You are now, at this [[moment]], seeing this great [[difficulty]].

   

   

How to [[prepare]] for that time when it increases even more?  My [[friend]], it is far too late for that.  The world has come into its present situation [[unconsciously]], unthinkingly, without ever a [[thought]] towards [[sustainability]], but rather towards [[growth]].  The world [[population]] is wildly out of [[control]].  Density far surpasses your world’s [[capacity]] to have it sustain any larger [[population]].  And because your world’s [[social]]/[[political]]/[[economic]] [policies] are so unorganized, it will be incapable of feeding those who are here now, though it could if it were completely [[organized]], but it is not.  

How to [[prepare]] for that time when it increases even more?  My [[friend]], it is far too late for that.  The world has come into its present situation [[unconsciously]], unthinkingly, without ever a [[thought]] towards [[sustainability]], but rather towards [[growth]].  The world [[population]] is wildly out of [[control]].  Density far surpasses your world’s [[capacity]] to have it sustain any larger [[population]].  And because your world’s [[social]]/[[political]]/[[economic]] [policies] are so unorganized, it will be incapable of feeding those who are here now, though it could if it were completely [[organized]], but it is not.  

   

   

Friend, I wish you to think about the [[city]] of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai Shanghai].  Shanghai has millions of people.  It grows absolutely no [[agricultural]] products.  It is 100% dependent upon [[water]] from other [[sources]].  It will be an exceedingly sad time when you see that [[city]] collapse.  [[Agriculture]] lands will decrease, as they have, for decades.  There are [[literally]] millions of arable acres of [[land]] around the world, but in places that are inaccessible or receive not enough moisture to cultivate.  How to [[prepare]]?  First, you must think in terms of [[sustainability]].  Think of designs for a sustainable world, after these great [[difficulties]] have swept through your world’s [[populations]].  You must have models and designs for establishing sustainable communities in the [[future]], and you can begin that [[process]] right now.  

Friend, I wish you to think about the [[city]] of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai Shanghai].  Shanghai has millions of people.  It grows absolutely no [[agricultural]] products.  It is 100% dependent upon [[water]] from other [[sources]].  It will be an exceedingly sad time when you see that [[city]] collapse.  [[Agriculture]] lands will decrease, as they have, for decades.  There are [[literally]] millions of arable acres of [[land]] around the world, but in places that are inaccessible or receive not enough moisture to cultivate.  How to [[prepare]]?  First, you must think in terms of [[sustainability]].  Think of designs for a sustainable world, after these great [[difficulties]] have swept through your world’s [[populations]].  You must have models and designs for establishing sustainable communities in the [[future]], and you can begin that [[process]] right now.  

   

   

Lastly, you must have a global [[conscious]] [[morality]] that is very much aware of [[population]] [[control]].  Not through [[famine]], pestilence or [[war]], but through [[conscious]] processes of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_control birth control].  In the [[future]], having a child will be a highly esteemed [[privilege]], an [[honor]], and the [[parents]] will be honored and assisted in ways which are almost unbelievable to you now.  [[Educators]] and [[Physician|healthcare givers]] will also occupy positions of tremendous [[honor]], as they [[prepare]] these [[infants]], these children, these [[young adults]], for responsible co-[[participation]] in your [[world’s management]].  You see, it is not too late to [[prepare]], but it is too late to do anything about your incredible situation now.  You can only [[prepare]] for the [[future]].  We [[engage]] you, we urge you to conscientiously begin this [[process]] now, in your [[communities]].  We will be of [[assistance]] to you in ways which you are unaware of at this time.  Be [[prepared]] for much [[serendipity]] and [[coincidence]], [[divine]] order and development when you approach this [[sincerely]], authentically, genuinely.  Thank you for your very [[sincere]] and meaningful question.

Lastly, you must have a global [[conscious]] [[morality]] that is very much aware of [[population]] [[control]].  Not through [[famine]], pestilence or [[war]], but through [[conscious]] processes of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_control birth control].  In the [[future]], having a child will be a highly esteemed [[privilege]], an [[honor]], and the [[parents]] will be honored and assisted in ways which are almost unbelievable to you now.  [[Educators]] and [[Physician|healthcare givers]] will also occupy positions of tremendous [[honor]], as they [[prepare]] these [[infants]], these children, these [[young adults]], for responsible co-[[participation]] in your [[world’s management]].  You see, it is not too late to [[prepare]], but it is too late to do anything about your incredible situation now.  You can only [[prepare]] for the [[future]].  We [[engage]] you, we urge you to conscientiously begin this [[process]] now, in your [[communities]].  We will be of [[assistance]] to you in ways which you are unaware of at this time.  Be [[prepared]] for much [[serendipity]] and [[coincidence]], [[divine]] order and development when you approach this [[sincerely]], authentically, genuinely.  Thank you for your very [[sincere]] and meaningful question.

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