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Today’s session has to do with leadership. You recall that I was the Melchizedek who taught Abraham and many others during the decades that I was upon this planet. That was an era of leadership on my part, to lead a nation or tribe, as you might see, into spiritual development. That was very primitive in many ways and I was called upon to monitor the political, economic and military advancements of that tribe, but nonetheless, it was leadership that gave a nation of people direction. My presence there as well was to develop individual leaders, those who would continue the message of the One God after I was gone, to create a spiritual legacy within the context of an earthly, man-made religion. That message eventually became watered-down and diluted by religious context and rituals, and so on.  

Today’s session has to do with leadership. You recall that I was the Melchizedek who taught Abraham and many others during the decades that I was upon this planet. That was an era of leadership on my part, to lead a nation or tribe, as you might see, into spiritual development. That was very primitive in many ways and I was called upon to monitor the political, economic and military advancements of that tribe, but nonetheless, it was leadership that gave a nation of people direction. My presence there as well was to develop individual leaders, those who would continue the message of the One God after I was gone, to create a spiritual legacy within the context of an earthly, man-made religion. That message eventually became watered-down and diluted by religious context and rituals, and so on.  

My presence now is to tell you that the work of the Correcting Time, the Urantia Book, Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission—all of those missions within the Correcting Time are a process of giving a civilization leadership — to develop nations that are capable of this kind of leadership, the capacity to move forward with some message to implement. Of course, we have done that within the context of social sustainability, to address the three pillars of society and the social, political/governmental and economic/financial pillars of society. That message of social sustainability was primarily directed to the whole world in a secular message, in an attempt to make it appealable (sic) to all people, regardless of their religion, regardless of their beliefs, but not regardless of the values which are common to all people. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34]

My presence now is to tell you that the work of the Correcting Time, the Urantia Book, Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission—all of those missions within the Correcting Time are a process of giving a civilization leadership — to develop nations that are capable of this kind of leadership, the capacity to move forward with some message to implement. Of course, we have done that within the context of social sustainability, to address the three pillars of society and the social, political/governmental and economic/financial pillars of society. That message of social sustainability was primarily directed to the whole world in a secular message, in an attempt to make it appealable (sic) to all people, regardless of their religion, regardless of their beliefs, but not regardless of the values which are common to all people. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34]

*Christ Michael’s leadership  

*Christ Michael’s leadership  

You have seen how plodding, how deliberate, how intentional Christ Michael has been in the development of his local universe, Nebadon. You have seen how deliberate he has been when he first became aware of the Rebellion, that there were 200,000 years that passed before his appearance on this planet, and the ending of that Rebellion, and the confinement of the rebels and miscreant followers. This was followed by 2,000 years of incarceration of those individuals, preparing for the adjudication of their actions. Christ Michael is very deliberate in his actions in what he does. His actions are such that he does not create mistakes of his own accord, but gives the greatest liberty to mortals to find their way, and know the way from the message he has given them.  

You have seen how plodding, how deliberate, how intentional Christ Michael has been in the development of his local universe, Nebadon. You have seen how deliberate he has been when he first became aware of the Rebellion, that there were 200,000 years that passed before his appearance on this planet, and the ending of that Rebellion, and the confinement of the rebels and miscreant followers. This was followed by 2,000 years of incarceration of those individuals, preparing for the adjudication of their actions. Christ Michael is very deliberate in his actions in what he does. His actions are such that he does not create mistakes of his own accord, but gives the greatest liberty to mortals to find their way, and know the way from the message he has given them.  

You may be quite disappointed at how slow progress seems to be underway; yet, the thoroughness with which he thinks and he applies his plans co-creatively with his subordinates is evident. This Correcting Time program is perhaps the most powerful, most important and significant development since the creation of this local solar system, since the advent of humanity in a sentient species. Therefore, the progress is slow in mortal terms.  

You may be quite disappointed at how slow progress seems to be underway; yet, the thoroughness with which he thinks and he applies his plans co-creatively with his subordinates is evident. This Correcting Time program is perhaps the most powerful, most important and significant development since the creation of this local solar system, since the advent of humanity in a sentient species. Therefore, the progress is slow in mortal terms.  

If you review the last several years of transcripts, you will see that we have explored different phases of development of your societies, your philosophies and your values with you, and that we have taken one segment at a time. Mortals are not fully capable of encompassing and embracing the total program simultaneously; you must be led slowly, carefully, deliberately so that you get the message, so you internalize this, so you become enculturated with it. We have told you about the purposes of the Correcting Time, the Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission. Those are different phases, and now we begin a new phase called “Implementation.” This era of implementation requires mortal leaders. The Triumvirate has been available to you through the duration of the Correcting Time, with its early initiation in New Zealand in the mid to late 1980’s. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34] We have led you through the ethical, moral development of thinking and of living. This aids your sustainability as an ascending and enlightened individual, who will eventually attain Paradise and the embrace with the Creator.

If you review the last several years of transcripts, you will see that we have explored different phases of development of your societies, your philosophies and your values with you, and that we have taken one segment at a time. Mortals are not fully capable of encompassing and embracing the total program simultaneously; you must be led slowly, carefully, deliberately so that you get the message, so you internalize this, so you become enculturated with it. We have told you about the purposes of the Correcting Time, the Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission. Those are different phases, and now we begin a new phase called “Implementation.” This era of implementation requires mortal leaders. The Triumvirate has been available to you through the duration of the Correcting Time, with its early initiation in New Zealand in the mid to late 1980’s. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34] We have led you through the ethical, moral development of thinking and of living. This aids your sustainability as an ascending and enlightened individual, who will eventually attain Paradise and the embrace with the Creator.

*The development and implementation of the Magisterial Mission  

*The development and implementation of the Magisterial Mission  

We have developed the Magisterial Mission, which existence is to implement those values and morals in your social context—social, political and economic/financial. We need moral and ethical individuals in the organization of those three pillars of your society. We have even given several of you thoughts of monetary embellishment to assist you to think about developing programs, organizations, positions, roles and so on. Those are now fairly well complete in their rudimentary forms.  

We have developed the Magisterial Mission, which existence is to implement those values and morals in your social context—social, political and economic/financial. We need moral and ethical individuals in the organization of those three pillars of your society. We have even given several of you thoughts of monetary embellishment to assist you to think about developing programs, organizations, positions, roles and so on. Those are now fairly well complete in their rudimentary forms.  

As we have told you, money is not an issue for us to develop. There are many sources to provide even multiples of many millions of dollars to the appropriate programs when needed. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34] That is one of the least of our concerns. What does concern us are the things that we cannot create. The most difficult to develop is leaders and leadership. We have spoken to you many times about the one percent of every society, every community; that one percent are those individuals who are cultural creatives, those who are self-starting initiators, those individuals who see a problem or situation that needs resolution and proceed to do so, to resolve it. These are most unique individuals. Yes, we can project their appearance several generations beforehand, and yes, we have promoted in those families situations wherein potential leaders could develop, and many have appeared. Many of those leaders now realize and ask in their frustration, “Who are they to lead? What are they to lead them to do? And, “What are they to lead with?” We have also recognized that beyond that one percent, there is usually between five and eighteen percent of any population who will become dedicated and committed followers, those individuals who recognize the leader and step forward to follow them, and see the wisdom of their direction and their commitment, and join with that one percent. These too, are very important.  

As we have told you, money is not an issue for us to develop. There are many sources to provide even multiples of many millions of dollars to the appropriate programs when needed. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34] That is one of the least of our concerns. What does concern us are the things that we cannot create. The most difficult to develop is leaders and leadership. We have spoken to you many times about the one percent of every society, every community; that one percent are those individuals who are cultural creatives, those who are self-starting initiators, those individuals who see a problem or situation that needs resolution and proceed to do so, to resolve it. These are most unique individuals. Yes, we can project their appearance several generations beforehand, and yes, we have promoted in those families situations wherein potential leaders could develop, and many have appeared. Many of those leaders now realize and ask in their frustration, “Who are they to lead? What are they to lead them to do? And, “What are they to lead with?” We have also recognized that beyond that one percent, there is usually between five and eighteen percent of any population who will become dedicated and committed followers, those individuals who recognize the leader and step forward to follow them, and see the wisdom of their direction and their commitment, and join with that one percent. These too, are very important.  

In one particular T.E.D. presentations there was an individual who was on a grassy hillside with several dozens of other people who were enjoying the view into the distance. Spontaneously this individual got up and began dancing a dance of his own imagination. He’s whirling and twirling, hands and arms akimbo and his legs flying here and there, and causing quite a demonstration. That is the example of a bizarre leader, but nonetheless, a leader. The wisdom of this T.E.D. session is this: It is not the leader who is most important, but the second person that joins in. There are always leaders, people who stand out, those who are exemplary and those who are bizarre—they are individuals, they stand apart from all the rest, but it is the second person who joins in, who represents the social community of the larger group, the majority of all the people sitting in the stands or on the grass. This first follower represents all of those who are potential. It is this person who gives permission to everyone else to participate with the leader and themselves. Soon, according to how leadership develops, individuals see that this is something that is okay, that there is no social recrimination for their participation in this bizarre dance of individuality, and being sharing in the common fun of being like and as children, who are having fun on the lawn.  

In one particular T.E.D. presentations there was an individual who was on a grassy hillside with several dozens of other people who were enjoying the view into the distance. Spontaneously this individual got up and began dancing a dance of his own imagination. He’s whirling and twirling, hands and arms akimbo and his legs flying here and there, and causing quite a demonstration. That is the example of a bizarre leader, but nonetheless, a leader. The wisdom of this T.E.D. session is this: It is not the leader who is most important, but the second person that joins in. There are always leaders, people who stand out, those who are exemplary and those who are bizarre—they are individuals, they stand apart from all the rest, but it is the second person who joins in, who represents the social community of the larger group, the majority of all the people sitting in the stands or on the grass. This first follower represents all of those who are potential. It is this person who gives permission to everyone else to participate with the leader and themselves. Soon, according to how leadership develops, individuals see that this is something that is okay, that there is no social recrimination for their participation in this bizarre dance of individuality, and being sharing in the common fun of being like and as children, who are having fun on the lawn.  

What we are saying, dear friends, is that if you are a leader in your church, in your community, in your service group, then you would want to present your message. You would want to develop a program in which individuals can participate, and would volunteer to participate, to come forward and follow in and join in with what you as a leader are doing. This, my friends, we cannot create. Yes, the midwayers and we can be of great influence to give individuals the options in their thinking to follow, to see the advantages of following, and the service that might be rendered to their family, community and to society. We cannot create followers. We can give those people in the audience options in their thinking of what they could do, but they have to decide what they will do. How do we do this? We cannot — it takes the courage on the part of those bizarre individuals who come forward to lead, and the second person to follow.  

What we are saying, dear friends, is that if you are a leader in your church, in your community, in your service group, then you would want to present your message. You would want to develop a program in which individuals can participate, and would volunteer to participate, to come forward and follow in and join in with what you as a leader are doing. This, my friends, we cannot create. Yes, the midwayers and we can be of great influence to give individuals the options in their thinking to follow, to see the advantages of following, and the service that might be rendered to their family, community and to society. We cannot create followers. We can give those people in the audience options in their thinking of what they could do, but they have to decide what they will do. How do we do this? We cannot — it takes the courage on the part of those bizarre individuals who come forward to lead, and the second person to follow.  

*The role of channeled messages  

*The role of channeled messages  

Now, consider this juxtaposition of this Correcting Time, which has always been based on the channeled messages of the Urantia Book teachings, the Teaching Mission, or the Magisterial Mission, or this session today. They are all based on messages from the unseen. We are the authors of this message. You are the receivers of this message. This juxtaposition between this channeled message, the existence of channeling in the existence of the secular society has created a tremendous separation. You have seen in well-established religions, going back many thousands of years and even today, where every religion has a sect within it of mystics. These are individuals, who have had a “God-experience,” who have personally experienced the conscious presence of the Creator in their mind and life, and were overawed by this and came away from that experience as changed individuals. They understand what the mystic experience is about. They are able to commune with the Source within them. Many of you do this; it is a wonderful experience; it is one that I and all the celestials and others participate in on a regular basis. We, too, worship as you worship. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34] Our worship is in immediate personal conscious contact with our Creator and you can have this experience as well.  

Now, consider this juxtaposition of this Correcting Time, which has always been based on the channeled messages of the Urantia Book teachings, the Teaching Mission, or the Magisterial Mission, or this session today. They are all based on messages from the unseen. We are the authors of this message. You are the receivers of this message. This juxtaposition between this channeled message, the existence of channeling in the existence of the secular society has created a tremendous separation. You have seen in well-established religions, going back many thousands of years and even today, where every religion has a sect within it of mystics. These are individuals, who have had a “God-experience,” who have personally experienced the conscious presence of the Creator in their mind and life, and were overawed by this and came away from that experience as changed individuals. They understand what the mystic experience is about. They are able to commune with the Source within them. Many of you do this; it is a wonderful experience; it is one that I and all the celestials and others participate in on a regular basis. We, too, worship as you worship. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34] Our worship is in immediate personal conscious contact with our Creator and you can have this experience as well.  

What is missing now from your world, from your religions, is the conscious direction of spiritual leadership from myself as I provided to Abraham and the Hebrew tribes. Once again I am consciously present here through your TR/channels to help guide your societies and civilization. This time we will lead your world co-creatively. You now have the means to provide this message to hundreds of millions of individuals. This will begin as we are today, within the context of a small group of people, who are immediately listening to this message, and to a larger group of people who are reading this message, and one day will listen to it as a recording. Where do we begin? We begin with people who believe.  

What is missing now from your world, from your religions, is the conscious direction of spiritual leadership from myself as I provided to Abraham and the Hebrew tribes. Once again I am consciously present here through your TR/channels to help guide your societies and civilization. This time we will lead your world co-creatively. You now have the means to provide this message to hundreds of millions of individuals. This will begin as we are today, within the context of a small group of people, who are immediately listening to this message, and to a larger group of people who are reading this message, and one day will listen to it as a recording. Where do we begin? We begin with people who believe.  

Let me illustrate this more clearly to you how we operate: Let us say you are selling Gansu knives at your local grocery store, and you have an audience of 20 people who are interested in these super-sharp Gansu knives. It will slice, dice and peel, and so on, with the greatest of ease. This is presented for a specific cost, and by the way, you could have some additional implements as well. Some people within the group turn away and continue doing their grocery shopping. Three people stay. Now, with whom will you spend your most energy on? Will you spend your energy on convincing the seventeen people who are now walking away, or will you spend your time and energy on those three individuals who have steadfastly remained with you, looking at the knives and appealed by the price and its capability? Of course, you will spend, invest you time with those three people to make a possible sale, and so you do.  

Let me illustrate this more clearly to you how we operate: Let us say you are selling Gansu knives at your local grocery store, and you have an audience of 20 people who are interested in these super-sharp Gansu knives. It will slice, dice and peel, and so on, with the greatest of ease. This is presented for a specific cost, and by the way, you could have some additional implements as well. Some people within the group turn away and continue doing their grocery shopping. Three people stay. Now, with whom will you spend your most energy on? Will you spend your energy on convincing the seventeen people who are now walking away, or will you spend your time and energy on those three individuals who have steadfastly remained with you, looking at the knives and appealed by the price and its capability? Of course, you will spend, invest you time with those three people to make a possible sale, and so you do.  

*Validation of channeled messages  

*Validation of channeled messages  

In many ways, the validations of channeled messages are much like a God experience—those people who have experienced and truly know that it is real and valid. You have classes that have been taught to you on the discernment of angels and beings of light, the characteristics and the messages they bring forward. In one lesson on the characteristics and traits of beings of light, you have another message that has been provided to you about discernment—how to discern, how to sort, sift, weigh and come to a high degree of assurance that what you are hearing is accurate, to develop a high degree of trust in what is coming through. If you are not a mystic, if you are not one who speaks with your God presence within you, then you must learn how to discern to the realm of “trust.” Once you have had a God experience, then you move into the position of “knowing,” and this can never be taken away from you. So, for those who wish to participate in this program, to become partners in leadership, you must know who [the] beings of light are, how they act, how they behave and the messages they give, and have the capacity and skill to also discern those messages, which ones are of light and those that are not. With those two skills you can become exemplary followers, [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34] to implement what comes forward.  

In many ways, the validations of channeled messages are much like a God experience—those people who have experienced and truly know that it is real and valid. You have classes that have been taught to you on the discernment of angels and beings of light, the characteristics and the messages they bring forward. In one lesson on the characteristics and traits of beings of light, you have another message that has been provided to you about discernment—how to discern, how to sort, sift, weigh and come to a high degree of assurance that what you are hearing is accurate, to develop a high degree of trust in what is coming through. If you are not a mystic, if you are not one who speaks with your God presence within you, then you must learn how to discern to the realm of “trust.” Once you have had a God experience, then you move into the position of “knowing,” and this can never be taken away from you. So, for those who wish to participate in this program, to become partners in leadership, you must know who [the] beings of light are, how they act, how they behave and the messages they give, and have the capacity and skill to also discern those messages, which ones are of light and those that are not. With those two skills you can become exemplary followers, [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34] to implement what comes forward.  

*A foundation of the three core values  

*A foundation of the three core values  

Secondly, you also have the three core values of social sustainability; they are infallible; they are self-evident; they were given to you bluntly and overtly and deliberately by Sondjah, [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2008-03-03-Co-Creative_Design_Team many years ago]. You can use those three values as the foundation, the backboard against which you can throw all ideas and concepts of social evolution and development against, to prove and discern whether these new plans are correct, workable and contribute to sustainability, or not. So, you have two ways of discerning: One is the spiritual and immaterial, the unseen; and on the other hand, you have the material, the social that you can discern. It actually is our hope that we develop two groups of teams who are committed to that social sustainability: One that is based on the co-creative social team concept that uses a spiritual being, a Melchizedek, as who fills the Consultant role; and a secular Design Team that does not use an unseen spiritual consultant, but uses a wise mortal who can advise the group and the team of what is ahead and what is true, and what is not; what is valid now, today, and what will be valid thousands of years from now for your societies. ([http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34)]

Secondly, you also have the three core values of social sustainability; they are infallible; they are self-evident; they were given to you bluntly and overtly and deliberately by Sondjah, [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2008-03-03-Co-Creative_Design_Team many years ago]. You can use those three values as the foundation, the backboard against which you can throw all ideas and concepts of social evolution and development against, to prove and discern whether these new plans are correct, workable and contribute to sustainability, or not. So, you have two ways of discerning: One is the spiritual and immaterial, the unseen; and on the other hand, you have the material, the social that you can discern. It actually is our hope that we develop two groups of teams who are committed to that social sustainability: One that is based on the co-creative social team concept that uses a spiritual being, a Melchizedek, as who fills the Consultant role; and a secular Design Team that does not use an unseen spiritual consultant, but uses a wise mortal who can advise the group and the team of what is ahead and what is true, and what is not; what is valid now, today, and what will be valid thousands of years from now for your societies. ([https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34)]

*Moving leaders into implementation  

*Moving leaders into implementation  

We will begin this process of developing leadership among you and with you, and by you and for you. We cannot provide this leadership “as you”; you must provide that. As you know from managerial decision-making, you must be able to develop options. Evaluate those options; discern the best options, and choose, make a choice of those options of which is most effective, and then you must make a decision to implement that or not. When you decide to implement it, then you take action that develops implementation. That is where we are right now. We have gone through the prior steps of managerial decision-making beforehand, through the decades and years prior to this point. Now, we are at the point of implementation. To do that, however, we need leaders. We need leaders who are in contact with their God presence within them, with those spiritual beings who advise them, whether it is the Mentori, or whether it is their Guardian Angel, Celestial Teacher, a Melchizedek or any other being. We need leaders who have that capacity to check on themselves, to check on their own validity, to discern whether their thinking is on target, or not. Off-center thinking, off-center  

We will begin this process of developing leadership among you and with you, and by you and for you. We cannot provide this leadership “as you”; you must provide that. As you know from managerial decision-making, you must be able to develop options. Evaluate those options; discern the best options, and choose, make a choice of those options of which is most effective, and then you must make a decision to implement that or not. When you decide to implement it, then you take action that develops implementation. That is where we are right now. We have gone through the prior steps of managerial decision-making beforehand, through the decades and years prior to this point. Now, we are at the point of implementation. To do that, however, we need leaders. We need leaders who are in contact with their God presence within them, with those spiritual beings who advise them, whether it is the Mentori, or whether it is their Guardian Angel, Celestial Teacher, a Melchizedek or any other being. We need leaders who have that capacity to check on themselves, to check on their own validity, to discern whether their thinking is on target, or not. Off-center thinking, off-center  

decisions, those that are founded on ego and fear, and manifest as authority, power and control, are not sustainable, and will wither and die. Eventually, those leaders who engage in that will be highly embarrassed by their situation. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34]

decisions, those that are founded on ego and fear, and manifest as authority, power and control, are not sustainable, and will wither and die. Eventually, those leaders who engage in that will be highly embarrassed by their situation. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34]

*The tools of civilizational evolution  

*The tools of civilizational evolution  

We have provided you with all the tools to move forward, to implement with great confidence. Now is the time to find those individuals who are capable of doing that. You can trust that we will develop the aspect of channeling as a valid means of civilizational evolution. That is a “mouth-full,” is it not? Quite a thought to think about. Yes, we will do that; it is time to bring about the eventual, long, enduring, long-tested process that will be tested for decades ahead, whether this process of spiritual engagement is a valid means for civilization, societies, nations and cities to base their process of growth and development and evolution. Yes, it will be highly contested. Just as you know that there are extraterrestrials, and that many other nations have validated this and published that material, there are some nations which hide in fear thinking that their populous would run about and run amuck, thinking that they were going to be decimated by aliens—this is not the case! So, too, is channeling seen that way; you have a means of validating the messages now—use it; disqualify those individuals who opt for authority and fear, power and ego, and validate those who are credible leaders, those who are credible to bring through a message. It has been a long-standing tradition of ours to assist mortals in co-creative endeavors to validate what they are doing, and what they are doing with us. Yes, we are here; we are not going away. We are here to help you and we need leaders and highly capable and competent followers, who have the courage to step out with those leaders to assist in this process. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34]

We have provided you with all the tools to move forward, to implement with great confidence. Now is the time to find those individuals who are capable of doing that. You can trust that we will develop the aspect of channeling as a valid means of civilizational evolution. That is a “mouth-full,” is it not? Quite a thought to think about. Yes, we will do that; it is time to bring about the eventual, long, enduring, long-tested process that will be tested for decades ahead, whether this process of spiritual engagement is a valid means for civilization, societies, nations and cities to base their process of growth and development and evolution. Yes, it will be highly contested. Just as you know that there are extraterrestrials, and that many other nations have validated this and published that material, there are some nations which hide in fear thinking that their populous would run about and run amuck, thinking that they were going to be decimated by aliens—this is not the case! So, too, is channeling seen that way; you have a means of validating the messages now—use it; disqualify those individuals who opt for authority and fear, power and ego, and validate those who are credible leaders, those who are credible to bring through a message. It has been a long-standing tradition of ours to assist mortals in co-creative endeavors to validate what they are doing, and what they are doing with us. Yes, we are here; we are not going away. We are here to help you and we need leaders and highly capable and competent followers, who have the courage to step out with those leaders to assist in this process. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34]

I am open for questions if you have some.

I am open for questions if you have some.

MMc: The information in the published sessions, the last that was unpublished was in January 2013, and in one of those sessions was that something would happen last fall. Obviously, it looks like it’s been delayed until January 2015. Am I correct in that assumption?  

MMc: The information in the published sessions, the last that was unpublished was in January 2013, and in one of those sessions was that something would happen last fall. Obviously, it looks like it’s been delayed until January 2015. Am I correct in that assumption?  

MACHIVENTA: Yes, there was a major “something,” as you alluded to, this last fall—September, October—that was a major juncture for us. We discerned several means by which we can proceed. The one that we alluded to in those closed sessions had to do with the development of financial sources to develop organizations and benevolent granting organizations for the development of socially sustainable programs. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34] That has not changed, but it is not forthcoming at this time as there must be genuine leadership developed among mortals who have the capacity to lead based on the spiritual system of values that we have given you. This is one of the programs, a segment of human development, which had to be developed separately. It appeared to you as a “stand alone” program. We have taken that to the furthest extent, and that is complete in its early development. Now, we enter a new phase of leadership development that includes the development of mortal leaders through the spiritual leadership of the Triumvirate, and through channeled messages, and so on. This year what you will see is the two-fold approach of the spiritual and the secular implementation.  

MACHIVENTA: Yes, there was a major “something,” as you alluded to, this last fall—September, October—that was a major juncture for us. We discerned several means by which we can proceed. The one that we alluded to in those closed sessions had to do with the development of financial sources to develop organizations and benevolent granting organizations for the development of socially sustainable programs. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34] That has not changed, but it is not forthcoming at this time as there must be genuine leadership developed among mortals who have the capacity to lead based on the spiritual system of values that we have given you. This is one of the programs, a segment of human development, which had to be developed separately. It appeared to you as a “stand alone” program. We have taken that to the furthest extent, and that is complete in its early development. Now, we enter a new phase of leadership development that includes the development of mortal leaders through the spiritual leadership of the Triumvirate, and through channeled messages, and so on. This year what you will see is the two-fold approach of the spiritual and the secular implementation.  

MMc: I see. So the [New Era] event will not occur in January?  

MMc: I see. So the [New Era] event will not occur in January?  

*GaiamTV.com appearance  

*GaiamTV.com appearance  

MACHIVENTA: Yes it will occur in January, but will be very subtle in your estimation. As you know, This One has been invited and is scheduled for a one hour, television recorded, channeled session on December 4, with GaiamTV.com. Approximately half of the time will be channeled and half will be an interview with This One. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34]] It is our intention to bring the world’s attention to the fact that your planet is spiritually guided, and that there is a plan for its recovery and its future. What we need as secondary leaders, those volunteers who stand up and say, “I can do this too; this is good stuff. Let’s listen to this and step forward.” So, it is one thing to have a leader, an individual such as This One, to come into social exposure with our message. It is another thing, as necessary and perhaps even more necessary, that individuals come forward and share this with others. We, and you will share this session with others and with millions of individuals. As you know, you can use your social media and hit the “share button” to promote this to other locations. There are technicalities, which we have taken into consideration at this time, as Gaiam TV has a paid subscribership with the allowance of a certain number of free sessions first.  

MACHIVENTA: Yes it will occur in January, but will be very subtle in your estimation. As you know, This One has been invited and is scheduled for a one hour, television recorded, channeled session on December 4, with GaiamTV.com. Approximately half of the time will be channeled and half will be an interview with This One. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-11-17-New_Era_Conversations_34]] It is our intention to bring the world’s attention to the fact that your planet is spiritually guided, and that there is a plan for its recovery and its future. What we need as secondary leaders, those volunteers who stand up and say, “I can do this too; this is good stuff. Let’s listen to this and step forward.” So, it is one thing to have a leader, an individual such as This One, to come into social exposure with our message. It is another thing, as necessary and perhaps even more necessary, that individuals come forward and share this with others. We, and you will share this session with others and with millions of individuals. As you know, you can use your social media and hit the “share button” to promote this to other locations. There are technicalities, which we have taken into consideration at this time, as Gaiam TV has a paid subscribership with the allowance of a certain number of free sessions first.  

*Messages of “One True God,” and “God is good” must continue  

*Messages of “One True God,” and “God is good” must continue  

Our next concern is for these television sessions to continue, that there be further dialogs, very similar to what is occurring today, and has occurred every two weeks, or so, for the past several years, that these would be recorded on public television—private television, and public television—and shared with the masses. It is important that secular individuals, non-believers, also see that social sustainability and the program of developing nations into being socially stable is rational, that these processes can work.  

Our next concern is for these television sessions to continue, that there be further dialogs, very similar to what is occurring today, and has occurred every two weeks, or so, for the past several years, that these would be recorded on public television—private television, and public television—and shared with the masses. It is important that secular individuals, non-believers, also see that social sustainability and the program of developing nations into being socially stable is rational, that these processes can work.