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New Era Transition #51 – Overpopulation; Fear; Life Expansion – Nov. 19, 2018

 

Machiventa Melchizedek, Planetary Manager

 

Topics:

California fires

A question on overpopulation

A shift in population to rural

Ownership of personal property

Design of cities

Self-sustainability of cities

Preparation for calamities

Prevailing emotion of fear

Promoting world peace

Closing of the dark circuits

Not having power to control situations

Mental, spiritual and physical health and life span

Living in groups to add to longevity

Can we be infused with more violet blood?

Outreach programs for youth

Land restitution in South Africa

Gratitude

Closing statement

 

TR:  Daniel Raphael, PhD

 

Team members present:  Roxanne Andrews, Craig Carmichael, Liz Cratty, Jeff Cutler, Doug Dodge, Stéphane Labonteé and Michael McCray.

 

Invocation:  Doug

 

November 19, 2018

 

MACHIVENTA:  This is Machiventa Melchizedek, here once again with you.  I begin today with a short message which I and other teachers have shared with you many times in the past.  We of the Celestial Realm are here at the pleasure of Christ Michael and Nebadonia, and that you are not delegates from the audience, but you are in many ways surrogates of each individual of our audience to ask questions that they are unable to ask.  So when you come with questions, think in terms of the broad numbers of hundreds of people, thousands of people who are reading these messages and who will eventually read them as well.  We are in the process of anticipating the future; you are the ones who represent all humanity in this dialog, and so let us begin.

 

If you have questions, please bring them forward at this time.

California fires

 

Craig:  I don’t know if you would care to answer this one or not, but all these fires in California seem to have some very unusual or suspicious characteristics and a lot of people seem to be thinking they have been deliberately set.  I guess there are a lot of people wondering the same thing that that is possible.

 

MACHIVENTA:  My comments are these:  This is the outworking or consequence of the development of densely populated areas and without the forethought to adequately care for the forests that surrounds those areas.  What you are seeing is the outcome of unplanned groupings or communities of people in a socially and environmentally unstable and unsafe environment.  The social consequences and material consequences that involve the sustainable existence in long-term numbers of decades and centuries have not been taken into account.  There are, as you know, many consciously planned communities of less than 500,000 people that have been planned and which are stable, helpful and supportive of the material environment existence and social existence of the occupants.  This is a thoughtful process that is essential to the reconstruction after the cataclysms of your states, nations and communities.

 

As the population is too dense to allow for dispersed cities and communities of a half-million people, the consequence is that there are no other avenues to consciously bring planned communities into existence at this time.  This is something that will have to wait for those times when there are fewer people in each nation and state.  That is part of the corrections of the Correcting Time.  In stating that, you know as well as we that there is no intention, no activity by spirit to bring these conflagrations into existence that have developed into the vast swaths of fire that you have seen.  What you are seeing is a cataclysm of great proportions, which has only begun.  There will be other instances that will exacerbate the conditions of living in highly dense communities in the cities and elsewhere.

 

A question on overpopulation

 

Stéphane:  Following up on this, you have mentioned the global population is overpopulated, but are you saying that the concept of cities is also overpopulated?  So I’m thinking of Canada and the US.  Are these countries overpopulated, or is it the concepts of cities that are overpopulated?

 

MACHIVENTA:  Considering the vast open spaces of Canada and the United States, you see that there are great swaths of land that are open for population development.  What was stated in my comment was that cities are overpopulated; they will become the tipping point for the vast depopulation of the world.  Cities provide a haven for disease and rapid spread of pathogens that will have the capacity to maim and kill people in great numbers eventually.  There is a great hazard in densely populated cities as you see in Toronto and New York and all the other large cities in North America, which includes Canada.  This is something that will be dealt with in the future, as it will become evident that overpopulation in confined geographic areas leads to the decimation of populations very quickly.  To thwart that in the future there must be conscious planning for cities of half-million people at the most and there must be a conscious public decision and personal decision to limit procreation to 2-3 children per couple.

 

A shift in population to rural

 

Craig:  In the past century there has been a tremendous shift of population from rural areas into cities.  Are you suggesting that it would be good to reverse that trend?

 

MACHIVENTA:  It is not only good, but it will be a necessary part of the reconstruction of nations.  It is not necessary that everybody go into hinterlands and establish farms and families there, but there must be reasonably sized cities established away from huge population centers, as you now see in these nations.  You will see an interconnectedness and interdependency therefore upon between half-million population sized cities to work together as they would in a larger city, but at a distance apart from that.  There is a subtle necessity that is also implied in the solution for the Correcting Time and the reconstruction, and that is there must be a conscious operational ethic and morality that is involved in the expansion of these cities. 

 

As you have seen from your own time in this lifetime, self-interest has been the primary promoting factor for the development of cities, the increasing inflation and value of properties and the expansion of those means to feed and sustain the populations that come to exist in those cities.  Self-interest must then become something that is not a part of city planning and expansion.  It must be explicit in the formation of these new cities, that it is for the social sustainability of the cities, communities and families to support a population of that size into the decades and centuries ahead.  This takes much forethought, and that is what has been missing in the development of all civilization on earth heretofore.  There has been no intentional planning involved in many cities, particularly for the social sustainability and environmental factors of cities.  Yes, there have been many “planned cities” that have come into existence, but the other factors were not considered as the social sustainability of those cities as environments for healthy functional social living.

 

Ownership of personal property

 

Jeff:  I’m inferring from your remarks that to get from where we are now to what you have just described is going to require a major redefinition of what it means to own personal property.  Is that correct?

 

MACHIVENTA:  It is not correct.  Owning personal property has nothing to do with those problems.  What is involved is the self-interest of personal ownership.

 

Design of cities


Jeff:  I’m trying to get my head around this; so you are saying that the concept that we have now of zoning that is being done by local people, sometimes giving preference to developers and sometimes giving preference to people who are significant businessmen in their towns is going to change to where these new or rebuilt cities are going to have a very different zoning codes and building codes, and everything else that we are used to now.  Is that surmise correct?

 

MACHIVENTA:  That would be secondary and tertiary; the intention is to have a morality and ethic built into the city designing, and that zoning and coding and so forth would have to do only within the confines of a city of half-million.  Once a city has reached near the point of half-million people, say 450,000 people that then signals a cessation of development and so forth.

 

Self-sustainability of cities

 

Stéphane:  Machiventa, is this related to the man-to-land ratio?  Is every city supposed to be self-sustainable?  Cities currently depend on global transportation for providing foods—are you suggesting that every city should be self-sustainable to some degree?

 

MACHIVENTA:  I would agree with the phrase “to some degree.”  You are correct in the very first part is that cities must be consciously aware of their material sustainability and the material needs of individuals, families, communities and the city to have provision for its material source of energy, water treatment, and so on, so that it can survive.  There would be, as I suggested, an inter-relationship between cities, and that there would be mutual assistance to each other to develop lands into farmlands that could produce and support those cities.  In that regard you are quite correct that the man-to-land ratio is a necessary factor, just as the morality and ethics of developing those cities to sustain people and to develop their innate potential is essential for the existence of those cities.  Cities do not exist unto themselves, for themselves and for the taxation for the continuing expansion of their borders.  It is rather so that when a city approximates half-million people that the revenues can then therefore be used to increase the development of potential of individuals and communities as safe places to support families who are raising children to grow into their innate potential.  In this way you see that cities have a different function, that they come into existence as healthy, functional societal organizations with a divine purpose in all departments and organizations within that city and have a parallel and complemental purpose as well.

 

Craig:  So I see a world that has a mix of cities and rural areas, farms, that will all be better interconnected than they are now and that transportation will be better and because of the Internet people won’t need to travel so much if they need something that isn’t available in their city.

 

MACHIVENTA:  That is correct.  What you will also not see are cities, states and nations that have no means to support their existent populations.  If you look at the problems in the nation of Yemen, you will see that it does not have the arable land to support its people, nor the water sources to satisfy their innate human needs.  These will become desert areas once again and not useful or supportive of human populations of cities of half a million, or even a quarter-million.  There would rather be a desert landscape of small villages that have the capacity to support themselves.  In that case and similar cases, the sizes of the villages and towns would be commensurate to the capacity of the man-to-land ratio for those regions to support a limited population.  In that case, overpopulation becomes a highly moral issue for the survival of contemporary populations and all future generations.

 

Doug:  From other sources there seems to be a talk of opening up Urantia to Adjutant Spirits, and for lack of better words, a second Pentecost.  Is that something that you would like to expand upon?

 

MACHIVENTA:  No, I care not to expand upon it at this time.

 

Preparation for calamities

 

Doug:  Okay.  In the last few sessions we have talked about preparing for calamity and in NET #43 you kind of gave a metaphor of being on a transport ship for D-Day, and some of the images were of dire importance to be ready for what is to come and to prepare ourselves physically for calamity.  What I am asking for now needs to be done to prepare ourselves mentally and spiritually for those calamities?

 

MACHIVENTA:  Certainly.  Each individual who meditates and contemplates and reflects upon life and prays to and with their Thought Adjuster, Guardian and to their Celestial Teachers and others—Christ Michael of course—will have the openness to be informed of the situation.  And through either inner urgings by your Thought Adjuster and others to leave the city, you would do so.  Where you go is important; how you become aware is also important.  If you were to leave your city, where would you have your redoubt as a refuge from the situation?  If you became aware that there was a virulent infection in your city and it was spreading rapidly, would you just remain in the city crossing your fingers that you do not catch the infection?  Or would you, with being forewarned leave the city to find a location where you could remain for 6-8 weeks in the safe time before you returned?

 

Yes, there is much occupational and lifestyle hazards involved in such an option.  However, failing to take the risk, you would remain there and of course very possibly become infected yourself.  If you do take the risk and leave, there is a risk involved in both decisions to possibly remain thinking that you would escape the infection, or leaving the city and escaping the infection, but also leaving your lifestyle and your career behind.  In any case, it is decision, it is an existential decision; it is one of those decisions you make knowing the consequences of making either decision.  Mental preparation for that situation is primary to your survival or your death.  It is important that you have this awareness now.  It is even more important than having your refuge away from the city, because if you are unaware and unconcerned about the necessity of making that decision and having awareness, you would remain where you are.  Thus the preparations you seek in your question are in fact innate to that question.  You must make that decision, knowing that you are making the decision and that even now, you will have to make that decision.  This also assumes that this will occur within your lifetime, does it not?  Yes, it does; and it certainly it will.

 

Doug:  Thank you.

 

Prevailing emotion of fear

 

Liz:  I have struggled to put this question into words, so please bear with me.  The last time we gathered you said that the prevailing emotion on our planet is fear.  I have a vision of a planetary fabric of consciousness where if I have a negative thought it sends a little stain like a drop of ink, and when I have a good positive thought it sends the opposite like a little drop of bleach.  And if we were to look at this planetary fabric of consciousness, it would be darker in some areas and lighter in other areas.  Is this completely a figment of my imagination, or do my thoughts, both positive and negative actually affect the entirety of the planetary consciousness?

 

MACHIVENTA:  Hooray!  (Clapping.)  Yes, your consciousness surely does impact the consciousness of the whole planet.  Thank you so much for your very clear statement.

 

Liz:  So are other people’s prevailing emotions of fear affecting the rest of us?

 

MACHIVENTA:  Most certainly.

 

Liz:  Can we work overtime to overcome this?  What must we do?

 

MACHIVENTA:  Dear person, you only have 24 hours, therefore it is necessary that you maintain the consciousness, that consciousness of light, that consciousness of good, that consciousness of benevolence, that pervading consciousness of deep gratitude to the Creator — this is the greatest and best message that you can send onto the world, and that when you discuss with friends over coffee, dinner or lunch, or over the phone that you continue to express this gratitude, this thanksgiving, this joy for abundance, for your good health, and so on.  This is part of the light.  Do not be afraid to share this with your friends who are in parallel consciousness.  Do share with them of what you are doing, why you are doing it and how they can reinforce that.  It is not necessary to come together through the Internet at a particular time of the day, year or month to then come into this consciousness, but it is vastly vital and critically important that you do this moment-to-moment, and that when you speak to others you share this with them.  You can bring them into their awareness through the Internet as well, but it is awareness of consciousness to express that consciousness in your life and your mind as you see it projecting out to the world, bleaching those dark spots into light and whiteness.


Promoting world peace

 

Liz:  Thank you for that vote of confidence; I appreciated it.  It’s easier said than done. I’m particularly concerned with what is happening in the Middle East, Israel and Russia, Iraq and Iran.  I’m wondering, other than beseeching my Thought Adjuster to speak to the Thought Adjusters of the World Leaders in that region, is there something else that we can do to promote peace over there?  I’m very concerned about what is happening and perhaps what will happen with Israel.

 

MACHIVENTA:  I will speak to the answer of your question in this answer mode that deals with worry:  You are concerned, or worried about those situations abroad that might literally blow up into huge, rapidly expanding conflagrations of nuclear war exchange, and that is a very real possibility.  It is because of the goodness of many millions and billions of people such as yourself who are projecting light and solutions onto those areas that they have not done so to date.  Worry about other situations is a waste of time; worry is a concern for something outside yourself and far away at a time which you cannot control.  You must, as a spiritually expanding, growing and maturing soul and individual, have the consciousness to be concerned about what you can do.  What is the power that you have that you can apply effectively to your life situation and to others, wherever they live on the planet?   Remember that your consciousness is NOW, in this MOMENT. 

 

You consciousness is not tomorrow; you consciousness is not yesterday, it is NOW.  Your consciousness is the only power that you have to extend beyond the confines of your body, and in fact impinge itself as that whitening bleach onto the fabric of consciousness to the world.  Consciousness is non-dimensional; it is non-temporal; it is something that runs through the course of the universe that you have ability to affect. 

 

Be not concerned about the consciousness that may bring about that nuclear holocaust in the East, or wherever it may occur.  Be concerned in this point now, within your life, within this moment of how and where you can apply your consciousness.  Remember, I just said that this is non-temporal, therefore by having your consciousness in the now.  The consciousness of all throughout the universe is eternal and it is always NOW in the eternal now, therefore your consciousness of light has an impact upon all now, of all time in all the universe for eternity.  You have no idea how powerful your consciousness is!  You have the power of consciousness as Christ Michael as Jesus said — that what he can do, you can do more so, therefore the consciousness of Christ Michael/Jesus is one which encompasses all of eternity in Nebadon.  Therefore, your consciousness must now extend to your world for all time, for the all now, of all existent experience in your world and Urantia for all time.  Stay in the NOW!

 

Liz:  Wow, thank you for that answer; you’ve given me much to contemplate.  Oh, my goodness!  Thank you, Machiventa.  (Machiventa:  You are welcome.)

  

Closing of the dark circuits

 

Stéphane:  Related to this, is it easier to do this now with the dark circuits being closed and with the new Father circuits being reinstated?

 

MACHIVENTA:  Yes, perfect questions.  You are exactly right, yes, now that the dark circuits are closed and nonexistent and the Father circuits are being reestablished and expanded, both in “amperage and voltage” as you might think, yes the consciousness now is much more powerful and that encourages the consciousness of individuals to be multiplied many times over and be far more effective.  Thank you so much!

 

Not having power to control situations

 

Roxie:  Machiventa, as an example of this I know it is a little late for this election, but many areas of our nation have voter repression enacted by crooked members of one of the political parties.  The honest members of our society are meeting with fierce resistance to stop this abominable unfair practice.  Is what you have been talking to Liz about, is that our only recourse action to change things before the next election and we go back to the dark side of things political?

 

MACHIVENTA:  One moment.  The short answer to your question is yes, that is all you can do.  Remember that your mortal concerns have no effect unless you have power.  Are you one of those powerful individuals who are making an effect on the situations?  No.  Do you have the financial clout to persuade others to change their minds about how that is developing?  No.  Do you have highly influential people of either of those people who are making those decisions for those outcomes to change the future for you?  No.  You have none of that, therefore your concerns are without merit.  This may be quite a radical honesty for you to accept, but that is truly the situation.  For your own happiness and ease and peace of mind, and to make your consciousness of peace and light more effective, you must convince yourself that you are powerless to do otherwise.

 

Roxie:  Hmmm, that is something I wasn’t thinking about.

 

Mental, spiritual and physical health and life span

 

Stéphane:  Machiventa, we have been talking about mental health, spiritual health, and I want to talk about physical health.  With recent discoveries, and knowledge we have on many aspects of physical health, we have enough to live much longer than we do now.  Do we have enough knowledge to be able to live much longer and therefore have more time to ascend the Physic Circles, have better mental and spiritual health with better physical health?


MACHIVENTA:  Yes, and I hesitate in saying a full hearty “yes;” it is a conditional “yes.”  And the condition is this: that your physical health is also highly dependent upon your mental health, your emotional health, your attitudinal health.  You are a holism; each individual is a holism whether they are aware of it or not.  Most people are not aware of the holism of the seven dimensions of human potential that can be developed, which all have an effect upon the length of your life and the condition of your life until you do depart.  Peace of mind is essential, that “peace that passes all understanding” as stated in the Old Testament is primary to your satisfaction and quality of life as an individual, irregardless of your external circumstances. 

 

It is essential that this worry factor be eliminated from your life, from your thinking, from your mind as your emotions have a direct endocrine effect upon the sustainability of your body.  Constant worry and stress have a very highly debilitating acidic effect on the dissolution of the holism of constitution of your body.  These are truly factors that you are in control of.  You may say that you have no choice but to make this decision or to live this way; ultimately and existentially you do have a choice.  It may be incredibly difficult to make that choice, and it may impact the lives of others, but you do have a choice.  When you free yourself from the bonds of no choice, then you have begun to see yourself in freedom. 

 

The slaves who were owned by others in the South and around the world do not care about, have no real concern about what happens after they become free; they will deal with that when it occurs.  So when you become one with the “peace that passes all understanding,” then you will make the decisions to support yourself.  Knowing this, when you make decisions, consciously or unconsciously, intentionally or unintentionally to maintain current lifestyles and indebetedness  and political affiliations, lifestyles and so on, you have made a choice in the length of your life.  Knowing all these factors, how is it possible then to live a life of 125-135 years?  It must also contain the seeds of purpose, and the seeds of meaning.  It must contain the seeds of the spiritual expansion of your lives as a soul.  If you are to become one with the Creator of all time in the Central Universe, then you must aspire to the same purpose and meaning that It has, and while It created you, that you aspire to fulfill that in your life and for the First Source and Center.

 

Living in groups to add to longevity

 

Jeff:  I’d like to ask a follow-up question on tangent to your last statement.  It seems to me that with the DNA that we have been dealt with so far, the tendency to choose to live in groups that are fairly similar to their own, and my question about this is, would it be naturally helpful for those of us who are trying to do exactly as you say, to try to spend or live among others who are trying to [live in a like manner]—I know we have a choice but would this aid us in our ability to reinforce these thoughts of service and happiness that would promote longevity and also promote the ability to serve longer?

 

MACHIVENTA:  I offer a conditional “yes.”  The condition is this: the first is that you begin to find that peace within yourself, that community of oneness with the Source, that community of confidence within yourself that you are in the right direction now and moving ahead confidently in the right direction.  That is hard to define and that is hard to find for each individual, to be confident in the confidence that they exhibit in their life and in the decisions that they make.   Once you have achieved that, then living in a community, you can be of great assistance to others and teach them how to come into that state of consciousness and confidence to move their lives ahead.  Yes, social existence is paramount in your existence as an individual.  Humans are social beings and when individuals are asocial and apart and anti-social and apart, their lives are miserable and they will not live and lead fulfilling lives.  Existence in a community is essential even if that is just a small group of 5 or 6 houses living in a small village.

 

Can we be infused with more violet blood?

 

Stéphane Can the gap from the less than perfect infusion of the violet blood on Urantia be remedied or be filled through genetic engineering?  Can we bridge some of it, or all of it through our efforts in genetic engineering of the human plasm, or will we need eventually more violet blood to be infused on our races?

 

MACHIVENTA:  The partial answer is this, and it is only partial because that is all that you would understand.  If you are striving to do that you would be striving to do what the Life Carriers have initiated.  The life plasm that you have spoken of that would be of assistance to the social, spiritual and personal evolution of the individual and the race, the extent of that has been used and there are no plans now to uplift the genetic structure of your species.  Secondly, it is not possible for human engineers to generate this development at this point in time.  You can anticipate, however, that once geneticists and demographers find the statistics to prove the point of evolved species or variations within the Homo sapien species, they will find that there are components of the genome that enhance the development of the “whole structure of individuals,” whole structure meaning that they have an innate proclivity to make positive decisions and actions in that this is from the innate genetic structure that they have the yearning and urging to do good in their life and for others.

 

Outreach programs for youth

 

Roxie:  I’d like to include some of the questions that I have received.  This one is from Raymon Miller:  He says, “As stated in prior conversations, our society and family structures obviously are in need of moral and ethical repair and guidance.  I am looking into the starting of an outreach program or some other type of activity to start guiding and teaching our youth lessons in morality and ethical behavior, amongst other avenues in the core values you teach, plus an appreciation for love, beauty, truth and goodness.  Could you please discuss and perhaps advise on a good starting point or introduction path to help arouse interest in the youth.  Anybody, including the adult would be welcome of course.  Thank you.

 

MACHIVENTA:  We have addressed your needs through the paper that This One wrote with us entitled, “Making Sense of Ethics,” which is available on the web site that we have developed with him and others.  You are welcome to use that material as it is very elemental, very logical and easy to understand and can be adapted in many ways for young individuals to begin thinking in ethical and moral terms.

https://sites.google.com/view/danielraphael/free-downloads

 

Land restitution in South Africa

 

Roxie:  Another question I received from Marthe Muller in South Africa, she says, “South Africa remains one of the most unequal countries in the world, with increasing levels of poverty, hunger and unemployment.  It is clear that family development is fast being understood to be an important solution for future societal sustainability, but debates around land restitution is an important part of an economic settlement of apartheid.  How should land restitution be done at a time of such uncertain future earth changes and climate change outcomes?  How can land be redistributed in a way that supports the equality of all and family development?

 

MACHIVENTA:  Thank you for your question.  Your question really must be bifurcated in order to thoroughly understand the solution or answers to your question.  The first part is the family; the family is primary to the existence of all that comes into being in any Urantian society and nation.  That must be dealt with separately; that is primary and of greater importance than land distribution, which is a totally separate issue in your question.  Yes, those two parts are linked, but only tenuously.  The fair distribution of land for societies and communities which are not societally well developed and have not matured societally must wait for answers that are made by those that are in power and those who pass from power.  If that does not exist and does not come into being, then there will be a continuation dis-ease and agitation in your nation. 

 

Remember too, that as you said in your question, “eventually or in the future” the solutions are not now.  You will not find immediate solutions in the present because those in power have the means and the authority to maintain their positions to their own advantage.  There are far too many powerful individuals who would not want to see the fair distribution of land.  Any attempt to do so would cause riots and revolution and further destruction.  It is important that families be raised in the ethics and morality and the population management practices that sustain a stable state of any nation.  It is important that the issue of fairness be innate to and endemic to indigenous people and to those who have come from afar in past centuries.  The family process of enculturation of socialization is vital to achieve the solution to the problems that arise in your question.  Eventually those children who are raised and grown in such environments will become those who will seek positions of authority, power and control, and therein lies the solution to your problem.

 

Roxie:  I have another question from Rick Brunson.  He quoted something from Xsamuel via the TM in Russia web site:  “We are ‘correcting’ and repairing these circuits as they should have been had your world not experienced the tampering and malevolent conditioning that occurred during the Lucifer Rebellion.  We are and have been working at this on a ‘curve,’ so to speak, bringing those circuits back to their original intention with as little ‘side effects’ as possible—yet there are always effects from any cause or action—even those with benevolent intent.”  The last sentence from Xsamuel is the one that he is particularly interested in and he highlighted it in red:  “This you would see as ‘fliers’ that shock the consciousness of humanity, yet they must be allowed to be released.”  Can you clarify that last sentence for him?

 

MACHIVENTA:  And the word “fliers?”  [Roxie:  Spells the word.]  It is our wish that the author of that statement state this more fully in order for us to provide an adequate and appreciable answer.  We are reluctant to respond to the question as it is ambiguous and unclear.  If we did respond, we would run the risk that our answer would be inappropriate to the question and to the audience.

 

Roxie:  I have 3 more questions that came from Russia; however they are very long, so if members of the team would like to ask more of their questions, we can hold off on these until I am sure we have time for them.

 

[Daniel:  Can you distill them?  I know they have long, long statements that precede the question.  Is there a question that is buried in the statement?

 

Roxie:  Because they are not something that we have been talking about, it is hard to answer that without giving more of their preamble.

 

Daniel:  The reason I am cautious about that is because long statements break the state of TRing that I have with Machiventa.  They are deeply minded and very intellectual and they don’t work for me as a TR.

 

Roxie:  Let me see if I can reword them for another session; it might be difficult, but I’ll see what I can do.]

 

Gratitude

 

Doug:  I need to leave, but I have one last question, if that’s okay?  This week of Thanksgiving kind of kicks off the era of the holidays here in the United States, and there is just an overwhelming sense of gratitude of thanksgiving in my heart and I just want to thank you, Machiventa, and all of the sources that we have to benefit from in our path.  I just wanted to try and say, “Thank you” for that.

 

MACHIVENTA:  Thank you so very much for your gratitude; it resonates in our “hearts” and we have a sense of oneness with your gratitude.  Thank you and Best Wishes.

 

Jeff:  I am struggling a little bit with the idea of cities with a maximum utility of 450,000 to 500,000 human beings.  I grew up in the Los Angeles area in the 1940s and 1950s and what were small communities of all kinds have merged.  It seems to be from Ventura, all the way down, literally, to the Mexican Border, it is just one city.  Is that essentially what you are talking about, and the long swatches from New England all the way down to Virginia, is almost all continuously inhabited.  So when you said “consider a place for safety for 6-8 weeks,” are you including or excluding the kind of—I’m not trying to mention Toronto and New York, and I imagine Mexico City and Beijing and places like that—are going to be susceptible to something like an Ebola virus, but are these long corridors on our continents where people are gathering close to the coastline, can those areas be broken up into groups of 450,000 or 500,000, or do you have a different vision you could share with us?

 

MACHIVENTA:  It is obvious that you did not listen to my earlier statements.

 

Closing statement

 

Not hearing further questions, let us bring this session to a close.  Thank you for your presence here today, and once again remember that you are the surrogates of those listeners and readers of these transcripts and to therefore take into account the questions that you ask.  Your questions are vitally important to the message that spirit can bring to you.  Your questions must also engage the obvious aspect that the NEC sessions and the NET sessions are those that deal primarily with Planetary Management.  We ask that in the questions you ask to remain in the consciousness of Planetary Management to assist others to make contribution to that in every small and large ways that they can in their lives.  We bless you with our presence here today; we bless you with our consciousness that we now instill in your minds.  It is our presence here and our wish that our consciousness would assist you to become one with the consciousness of Christ Michael and Nebadonia in Nebadon.  Thank you and good day.