View source for 1993-11-14-Introduction to Curtis & Cereon

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===Topic: ''Introduction of Curtis & Cereon''===
===Group: [[Unknown]]===
==Facilitators==
===Teacher: [[Iruka]]===
===TR: [[Unknown]]===
== Session==
===Opening===
Iruka: The [[love]] of [[God]] [[surrounds]] you, the [[joy]] of God enfolds you, the [[power]] of God [[protects]] you. Wherever you are, He is. Good afternoon, I am Iruka, I am your [[friend]] and [[teacher]]. What a [[beautiful]], warm fall day it is. I can also enjoy the warmth in my own way, as you can in your way. I thoroughly enjoyed [[1993-11-07-Not All Wish For Teachers|last week's session]], and from your [[conversation]], I can tell that you did also. 
===Lesson===
I would also like to comment on your conversation before we started today. It is [[good]] that you are discussing these important [[things]] about how your group relates to other [[groups]], how you wish to be [[perceived]], and how you wish to give [[love]] and be non-judgmental. This will come through. In time, these other groups will [[recognize]] the love and perceive that you are not judging them, and it may bring them in. It may make them [[curious]] and [[wish]] to find out about this group, however, if they don't, that is also fine, but I think it is important to make the first move, when everyone [[feels]] comfortable with that move. Do [[discuss]] it further and come to a [[consensus]].
===Dialogue===
===='''''[[Transmitting]]'''''====
Now, I heard S1's request to T/R his own teacher, and that would be fine. I think it would be good [[practice]]. I was going to offer that the [[T/R]] do G2's teacher, however, if G2 would like to T/R his own teacher, that would be even better, however it is up to G2. We will let him think about that for a while and right now let S1 T/R Curtis. Are you ready S1? [yes, I think so] Fine.

S1 T/R's a short [[message]] from Curtis

Iruka: Yes, S1 you T/R'd very well. The [[words]] were very accurate. Could you hear them OK?

S1: It is hard to tell whether or not I am coming up with that myself or whether it is someone talking to me. They are not real loud, I have to [[concentrate]]. I guess that is something I will have to work on.

Iruka: Yes, this is the way it is. At first, most [[humans]] do think they are making up the [[words]] themselves. It takes [[experience]] and over time you begin to recognize the [[words]] that are not yours. Also, by keeping your [[mind]] [[clear]] or fairly clear, this makes it easier also. When the words come, they are more recognizable, but it does take [[time]] and [[experience]]. But I think it is well worth the effort and each day it gets easier.

S1: Thank you very much.

Iruka: You are very welcome. G2 have you [[decided]] whether to [[T/R]] your teacher or let the regular T/R do it. [I think I will do it myself] Very good, because with [[experience]] you get better.

G2 T/R's a short [[message]] from Cereon

Iruka: That also was very [[accurate]]. You are also doing very well, and I am hearing good things about all of you. Do not become discouraged, do not give yourself [[goals]] that might [[frustrate]] you. Everyone is [[different]], everyone learns at different [[rates]], so do not [[compare]] yourself with others. You are all unique [[individuals]], your teachers are all unique individuals, so together you will [[progress]] at a speed, at a [[rate]] that is unique to the combination that you and your teacher make. I know sometimes in your [[excitement]] you wish you were further along, but that will happen. You will reach your [[goal]] to get to that level where you are very [[comfortable]] and feel very safe and have the [[confidence]] that you heard what the [[words]] were. So [[practice]] a little every day and you will get there. I can also answer questions, questions about [[teachers]] or other questions you may have from your week or in your [[life]].

S2: Hi, I have been talking with Srenta so much that I don't have any questions.

Iruka: That is [[wonderful]].
===='''''[[Groups]]''''', '''''[[Teacher Contact]]'''''====
S2: It is becoming very [[personal]], it is so much fun, I look forward to it every [[morning]]. Sometimes it....Friday morning I was in a bad [[mood]] and Srenta cheered me up. It is [[amazing]], an amazing [[process]]. What I am feeling is...if this process occurred in every member of the group we wouldn't need each other any more, and I am worried.

Iruka: You would still need each other. You would relate to each other in a deeper way, because of your [[maturity]], the group as a whole's maturity, then your level would be higher. Your [[commitment]] would be deeper, your [[understanding]] and [[love]] would be greater. The group, as a whole, would get [[stronger]]. It is already stronger, it is already more committed. There is much room to grow, do not be afraid that you would have no more to talk about, because it would be at a deeper [[personal]] level. Do you see?

S2: I am not sure I even [[expected]] an answer. I am just having fun...I don't see, but I am not sure I can right now.

Iruka: Enjoy your new [[growth]], it causes us [[joy]] to see the joy that we see in all of you.

S2: When T/Ring, when a teacher switches from personal teaching to group teaching, does the teacher's [[focus]] [[change]] in a perceptible way? Would Srenta want to talk about with the group the same things that he is going over with me? It seems like the stuff that Srenta talks about with me...he is just kicking me along a little bit faster that is all...it is just stuff that I would normally stumble across anyway, but it might take 20 years instead of a couple of days. It seems like it is [[accelerating]] the [[process]]. In terms of a group, in the group's needs as a separate [[entity]] or as a separate [[mission]], separate...I don't know what the right [[language]] is. I am afraid that it would be a little bit [[shocking]] to me if Srenta started talking to the group and acted differently.

Iruka: I hear a couple of different questions here, and yes he is helping you [[personally]] [[grow]]. And yes, he does point out things that it might take you longer to [[recognize]], to become [[conscious]] of. I had this very [[experience]] myself with the T/R. In Idaho, she was a member of a [[group]], I worked with her personally and then when she moved, became a group teacher. There is a [[formal]] process; I was asked on my side if I was willing to do that, and after I [[agreed]], then she was asked, and she agreed. So my role did [[change]], but it was with my permission and with her permission. So remember that, the [[human]] will and the wills on my side are not crossed. This has to be in line with everyone [[agreeing]] and saying yes. So while I continue to help the T/R personally, I started making [[visits]] to this group throughout the week, taking notes, seeing what [[themes]] were going on in your lives as a whole, and talking about those during the lessons. It was [[surprising]] how many times that the themes were similar or exactly the same. Even though you are in different cities or towns, in different working conditions, in different [[neighborhoods]]. Some of the same things were going on in the lives of everyone. I was able, and I am able, to give lessons that speak to almost everyone in the [[group]]. Does this answer?

S2: Yeah it does. I'm not certain though that Srenta's lessons that I am being given, that are [[personal]], would...I have no clue as to how applicable they are to everybody else. I am not even sure why I am even asking that question. I am just [[flirting]] with the [[idea]] of being a T/R for a group and what a [[difference]] that would make in terms of my [[relationship]] with Srenta. I mean I am a little bit...I don't want to change anything right now.

Iruka: And for now, do not be concerned. If that were to happen, it would be sometime in the [[future]]. Do not worry about that, right now enjoy your [[relationship]], your [[friendship]], and let your relationship grow. If that happens, it will be with your [[consent]] and your teacher's consent, and after you have [[confidence]] in yourself. So right now enjoy what you have in your [[learning]] and [[growing]], but it is nice to hear that you may, in the [[future]], be willing to do this. [thanks]

G2: Hello Iruka, I heard last week that S1 asked his teacher what he did when he was on his [[planet]], and I was [[wondering]] if you could ask Cereon what he did in his previous life.

Iruka: He tells me he was an [[artist]], interested in art, which is not exactly what you [[perceive]] to be an artist on your world. But he enjoyed [[colors]] and created works of art.

G2: How would somebody that is doing something like that be [[compatible]] with me. I don't know of any artistic talents that I have.

Iruka: Teachers are chosen for their [[counterparts]], to have certain characteristics that are the same and certain characteristics that are completely [[different]]. In this way, you learn from each other. Your teacher learns from you. This may not be easily [[understood]] at this time on your [[plane]], but we also grow from this [[relationship]]. This is indeed an area where your teacher [[expects]] to grow from you, because your interests are [[different]]. [thank you] You are welcome. I will let you find out where your similarities are. OK?
===='''''[[Curiosity]]'''''====
G2: OK. I have another question then. I am trying to [[decide]] how to phrase it. A lot of subjects I know you can't talk about, and I don't feel [[ashamed]] to bring them up, but I just feel it deflects away from the [[group]], but I still have these questions in the back of my [[mind]]. My teacher answers them to the extent that they are not particular and I [[understand]] and [[accept]] his answer. I'll just ask it...I have been getting a lot of [[reading]] material from some friends and it involves a lot of [[UFO]] type subjects. How do you [[feel]] about me reading this [[information]].

Iruka: Certainly that is your [[choice]]. All of us as children of our [[Creator]] has been given [[curiosity]]. To find out, to search, to learn is [[normal]], is what you should be doing, absolutely. Don't stifle this feeling of [[curiosity]]. While I can't answer the questions specifically, know that you may have these questions your entire life. They may never be answered while you are here. In the meantime, [[read]], search out answers, spend time with [[the Father]], He may give you [[understanding]], He may give you a depth, a [[perception]] that is new. So continue...does this answer?
===='''''[[Safety]]'''''====
G2: Yes it does. I know you told us not to look at our [[dreams]], but I made a [[statement]] to the rest of the [[group]], I think it might have been close to over nine months ago...I would have sworn I was [[awake]] and I thought I saw two "things" in my room and I just felt like I could not move at all while they were in my room. And they moved to one side of the room, and I said a [[prayer]], and they just stopped. It looked like a figure of the [[Mother Mary|Holy Mary]] came into the room and they both looked at the figure and then they just left. Is there anyway you can look in me, was I [[dreaming]], or what was going on during that time frame.

Iruka: I cannot say for sure what was happening, however, you did exactly the right thing. You turned to the [[First Source and Center]] and you were immediately [[reassured]] and protected. I have mentioned before that all of you are very well watched over and [[protected]], and certainly this is an example. You are protected, you are very much loved. [thank you] You are welcome.
===='''''[[Thought Adjusters]]'''''====
S2: Iruka, I start off in the [[morning]] saying some prayers to [[the Father]], the [[thought adjuster]], the Father fragment. It seems in the last three or four days, they are answered [[immediately]]. And it is like this big package is dumped on me and it [[flows]] through my head so fast I can't keep track of it. And then it doesn't repeat, I ask again and it is like 'that is it, you [[touched]] upon a present for you and you have used it up' Whereas Srenta will go over and over and over and be [[patient]] with me. Does the Father behave that way? Does the [[thought adjuster]], I know it says in the Urantia Book that the thought adjuster is pre- personal, does that mean they are more like a...[[computer]]?

Iruka: What you have noticed is the way that it seems to be happening most of the time here with all [[humans]]. [[The Father]] will answer, will [[respond]] in very short [[messages]]. If one word will answer, that is what is used. Where [[the teachers]], and me included, like to talk. Certainly given the [[chance]], will [[explain]], will draw parallels, will cite [[metaphors]], will say anything that we think might allow you to relate, to [[understand]], to associate. So yes, we are more talkative and Father seems to be less talkative. So your [[observations]] are indeed correct.
===='''''[[Angelic Contact]]'''''====
S2: Are there other spiritual [[entities]] trying to [[influence]] us? It seems in the [[Urantia Book]] there are tons of them, and that somehow they are all [[coordinated]] so that all these influences are [[organized]], so that they are not [[confusing]] us and they appear to be our own [[thoughts]]. I am [[wondering]] if....well Srenta keeps saying 'don't bother with these kinds of [[questions]]' all the time. So I don't know why I am asking you, but I am just [[wondering]] if that could be the [[source]] of these.....

Iruka: I can say this, that you are [[aware]] that you have [[guardian angels]], you have read about [[midwayers]], and you know you have a teacher. Together we try to help you grow. We all have [[different]] ways of doing this, but indeed we try to [[coordinate]] our activities. We certainly don't wish to [[confuse]], although that may happen, but we are trying to help you on your [[pathway]] towards [[God]]. This is really all I can say, and I hope it helps.

[thanks] You are welcome.

S1: Iruka, a quick [[question]] on what Curtis said. He said that he could not hear [[conversations]] as well as you could. Is that because of the [[clearness]] of the [[channel]] that I provide him, or some other reason?

Iruka: It has nothing to do with you. It is simply a matter of [[experience]], of [[practice]]. The same thing that all of you are working on, on your side. I think sometimes you think that we are more [[powerful]], and I think you think that we know more than we actually do. We are also [[learning]], we are also on our [[pathway]] to [[God]], so do not give us credit for so many things. We also are learning. Does this help?

S1: Yes, that is fine. Then there is no way like if someone were coming in here and speaking in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language Spanish], you would know what they were saying?

Iruka: Only if I had [[studied]] that [[language]], or perhaps I would [[understand]] the [[tone]], the [[theme]] of what they were saying, but not specific [[words]]. I had to learn this language, so you are correct that I would not [[understand]] word by word what someone would be saying in Spanish.

S1: Fine, thank you. I was just [[thinking]] back...what Curtis had said and what someone said when they tried to [[confirm]] whether or not the [[teaching mission]] was valid at some [[conference]] somewhere and what they did was they had someone come in and speak in Spanish, and apparently the teacher involved was unable to [[understand]] what was being said and I guess people [[assume]] that any spiritual [[entity]] would have to have the capability of understanding any [[language]], or the [[thoughts]] of any person. Obviously that is not true. Thank you.

G2: S1's question brought up a question that I have. When I was speaking out loud (T/Ring), there seemed to be a little [[confusion]] and the going back to [[listening]] to what Cereon was saying. I call it more like reacquiring what he was saying, phase locked is that a better term. I am trying to think of a good [[term]] to [[express]] the sensation of trying to switch over from [[speaking]] to [[listening]]. Are there any exercises or things besides [[practice]] that you and the T/R did that could help us along our way?

Iruka: No, not really, [[practicing]] is what seems to work best. That is what the [[T/R]] did, and sometimes still there are many pauses and sometimes she can just open her mouth and not [[think]] about the [[words]] before. But when she wants to make sure that the [[message]] is correct, she slows down and tries to [[confirm]] the words, the phrases, or the [[ideas]]. But [[practice]] is really the best way to learn, like swimming, you must get into the [[water]] and do it. [thank you] You are welcome.
===Closing===
I have quite enjoyed today and I feel that much [[progress]] has been made. Continue to [[grow]], continue to search, continue to be [[curious]] and you will be [[answered]]. Maybe not in your [[time]], but you will learn all you wish to learn someday. Have a good week and I will see you soon. [[Goodbye]].

Group: Good bye.


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