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===Topic: '''''Social Reponsibilities'''''===

===Topic: ''Social Reponsibilities''===

 

===Group: [[N. Colorado TeaM]]===

===Group: [[N. Colorado TeaM]]===

==Facilitators==

==Facilitators==

   

   

MMc:  Very good.  Do you have any information you would like to share with us today?

MMc:  Very good.  Do you have any information you would like to share with us today?

===='''''[[Decision]]'''''====

====''[[Decision]]''====

*Making Divine decisions before taking action

*Making Divine decisions before taking action

MONJORONSON:  What Charles has stated before has now come to flourish and has developed and we have enough assurance now to proceed with our plans that even though we are Divine, even though we can fairly well predict the future, we do not depend upon those predictions to make hard and fast and irreversible decisions or actions, but we wait for that moment when you make the decision and take action to then begin emplacing those developments which springboard from that.  

MONJORONSON:  What Charles has stated before has now come to flourish and has developed and we have enough assurance now to proceed with our plans that even though we are Divine, even though we can fairly well predict the future, we do not depend upon those predictions to make hard and fast and irreversible decisions or actions, but we wait for that moment when you make the decision and take action to then begin emplacing those developments which springboard from that.  

   

   

As you were saying before the meeting, that yes, we do wait for sometimes that odd, spurious, spontaneous response to a situation by a mortal who takes some decision and action spontaneously, and sometimes the decision and action follow each other so closely that they are almost inseparable.  And so, we do not predicate our actions upon what mortals may or may not do, but make plans and when you fulfill those parts that flow with our work, then we can proceed; and when it obstructs the flow of our work, then we have alternative options that we can proceed with.  We are pleased now to say that the developments which Charles has spoken of, and which he affirmed with you, are developing apace and quite nicely, and that now we can begin to put into place those next options for decision and action which will follow these soon.  

As you were saying before the meeting, that yes, we do wait for sometimes that odd, spurious, spontaneous response to a situation by a mortal who takes some decision and action spontaneously, and sometimes the decision and action follow each other so closely that they are almost inseparable.  And so, we do not predicate our actions upon what mortals may or may not do, but make plans and when you fulfill those parts that flow with our work, then we can proceed; and when it obstructs the flow of our work, then we have alternative options that we can proceed with.  We are pleased now to say that the developments which Charles has spoken of, and which he affirmed with you, are developing apace and quite nicely, and that now we can begin to put into place those next options for decision and action which will follow these soon.  

===='''''[[Sustainability]]'''''====

====''[[Sustainability]]''====

*Is sustainability the “goal?”

*Is sustainability the “goal?”

MMc:  Thank you.  Charles and I were involved in a conversation over the last two sessions.  He was explaining pretty much everything in terms of sustainability.  Was this because sustainability is the goal we are looking to achieve?

MMc:  Thank you.  Charles and I were involved in a conversation over the last two sessions.  He was explaining pretty much everything in terms of sustainability.  Was this because sustainability is the goal we are looking to achieve?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  It is “a goal.”  First, there must be stability; then there must be social sustainability—or at least the attempts to achieve that—and the third phase is the early phases of the days of light and life.  So, social sustainability is something that has a measurable outcome, a measurable process of achieving; it provides you and us with a developmental schema for proceeding towards the days of light and life.  Social, political, economic stability is a part of that development.  When you begin to see sustainable social, economic and political stability, then you are beginning to see the early phases of social sustainability and the embryonic phases of the days of light and life.  So, yes, it is a goal, but there are other measurable variables that we can take into account before then.  Our work now is to feed these social sustainability concepts and methodologies to you individually and socially and for groups and associations, educational settings and religious settings so that you can begin developing these on your own.  

MONJORONSON:  It is “a goal.”  First, there must be stability; then there must be social sustainability—or at least the attempts to achieve that—and the third phase is the early phases of the days of light and life.  So, social sustainability is something that has a measurable outcome, a measurable process of achieving; it provides you and us with a developmental schema for proceeding towards the days of light and life.  Social, political, economic stability is a part of that development.  When you begin to see sustainable social, economic and political stability, then you are beginning to see the early phases of social sustainability and the embryonic phases of the days of light and life.  So, yes, it is a goal, but there are other measurable variables that we can take into account before then.  Our work now is to feed these social sustainability concepts and methodologies to you individually and socially and for groups and associations, educational settings and religious settings so that you can begin developing these on your own.  

===='''''[[Teacher Contact]]'''''====

====''[[Teacher Contact]]''====

*The advantage of using a spiritual consultant in design teams

*The advantage of using a spiritual consultant in design teams

Yes, there will be mistakes in the beginning; there will be missteps; there will be misinterpretations, but this is all part of the process.  There will necessarily need to be follow-up on your part, conferring with associates in other groups, and with us to reaffirm your progress in this methodology.  This is where the spiritual consultant has the advantage over those secular design teams, which do not use a spiritual consultant, that these teams that do will have the advantage of aligning or re-aligning their work to conform to that which will be successful in the short term and the long term.  Human consultants simply do not have the capacity of intellect, the perspectives of history, or the experience of history on other planets and in those developmentally evolving societies.

Yes, there will be mistakes in the beginning; there will be missteps; there will be misinterpretations, but this is all part of the process.  There will necessarily need to be follow-up on your part, conferring with associates in other groups, and with us to reaffirm your progress in this methodology.  This is where the spiritual consultant has the advantage over those secular design teams, which do not use a spiritual consultant, that these teams that do will have the advantage of aligning or re-aligning their work to conform to that which will be successful in the short term and the long term.  Human consultants simply do not have the capacity of intellect, the perspectives of history, or the experience of history on other planets and in those developmentally evolving societies.

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  Of course, anyone who is involved in that discussion, whether opposed or supporting it, will perk their ears up and ask you questions about what you mean, and that will be your springboard to discuss the fundamental concepts of social sustainability, and of course the methodology is the bridge between the concepts and the application of those concepts, so they will be curious about that.  You do not need to “sell” this, as it requires those people who are truly curious and interested.  Those individuals who have their minds made up would not buy into what you are saying anyhow.

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  Of course, anyone who is involved in that discussion, whether opposed or supporting it, will perk their ears up and ask you questions about what you mean, and that will be your springboard to discuss the fundamental concepts of social sustainability, and of course the methodology is the bridge between the concepts and the application of those concepts, so they will be curious about that.  You do not need to “sell” this, as it requires those people who are truly curious and interested.  Those individuals who have their minds made up would not buy into what you are saying anyhow.

===='''''[[Society]]'''''====

====''[[Society]]''====

*More on societies’ responsibilities granting individual rights

*More on societies’ responsibilities granting individual rights

MMc:  Understood.  Charles mentioned that if society grants the individual the right to have a machine gun, society must also take responsibility for what that individual does with the machine gun.

MMc:  Understood.  Charles mentioned that if society grants the individual the right to have a machine gun, society must also take responsibility for what that individual does with the machine gun.

MMc:  “Particularly those that generate more people.” Understood.  That is clearly understood.

MMc:  “Particularly those that generate more people.” Understood.  That is clearly understood.

*Commonalities of Homo sapiens with the 3 core values

*Commonalities of Homo sapiens with the 3 core values

[http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2013-03-15-Conversations_with_Monjoronson_71#Dialogue Charles was talking about the three core values], and he said that the three core values form a commonality that makes all of us brothers and sisters in humanity.  Would you elaborate on this please?

[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2013-03-15-Conversations_with_Monjoronson_71#Dialogue Charles was talking about the three core values], and he said that the three core values form a commonality that makes all of us brothers and sisters in humanity.  Would you elaborate on this please?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  I have reviewed Charles’ transcripts and I do not believe that I can improve upon what he has said.  I will say this, however, that your species—all of you—you are humans, are you not?  Homo sapiens?  So you are and therefore you have certain commonalities to your species.  It matters not what color your skin, or your ethnic group, your culture or nationality or your gender—you are all Homo sapiens and you are motivated by similar core necessities of living and growing, and that is to have life and that is understood. Once you have life, you want to improve the quality of your life.  In order to do that, you must grow, and your society must appreciate you as valuable as any other individual in an equal manner.  These are what make you human; these give you the potential of becoming morontial. When you learn the responsibilities of enlisting a higher quality of life, that is socially, morally and ethically acceptable, and you grow in a moral, ethical and socially conscious way, you value yourself as you do others, and you value others as you do yourself.  You are well on the way towards becoming a spiritually evolving individual.  

MONJORONSON:  I have reviewed Charles’ transcripts and I do not believe that I can improve upon what he has said.  I will say this, however, that your species—all of you—you are humans, are you not?  Homo sapiens?  So you are and therefore you have certain commonalities to your species.  It matters not what color your skin, or your ethnic group, your culture or nationality or your gender—you are all Homo sapiens and you are motivated by similar core necessities of living and growing, and that is to have life and that is understood. Once you have life, you want to improve the quality of your life.  In order to do that, you must grow, and your society must appreciate you as valuable as any other individual in an equal manner.  These are what make you human; these give you the potential of becoming morontial. When you learn the responsibilities of enlisting a higher quality of life, that is socially, morally and ethically acceptable, and you grow in a moral, ethical and socially conscious way, you value yourself as you do others, and you value others as you do yourself.  You are well on the way towards becoming a spiritually evolving individual.  

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Explain, please.

MONJORONSON:  Explain, please.

===='''''[[DNA]]'''''====

====''[[DNA]]''====

*Life and growth are innate to your species as part of DNA

*Life and growth are innate to your species as part of DNA

MMc:  The core values that we see, basically, they are the aspect of a quality life and the aspect of growth.  As you say, pretty much understood within Urantia, and it may be that these are parts of a more universal aspect within us to become perfect.  My reading in The Urantia Book tells me [it] is an aspect that is a part of us, even before we were human.  The core value of equality, as you say, is not one that we have come to cherish at this point in time, and it is a relatively new development in our sociology.  I’m wondering how much these universal values have been involved with Urantia’s past; how much these have been involved as a group in Urantia’s past?

MMc:  The core values that we see, basically, they are the aspect of a quality life and the aspect of growth.  As you say, pretty much understood within Urantia, and it may be that these are parts of a more universal aspect within us to become perfect.  My reading in The Urantia Book tells me [it] is an aspect that is a part of us, even before we were human.  The core value of equality, as you say, is not one that we have come to cherish at this point in time, and it is a relatively new development in our sociology.  I’m wondering how much these universal values have been involved with Urantia’s past; how much these have been involved as a group in Urantia’s past?

   

   

You have seen that some primates are capable of being taught sign language, and that once they have this language, they even begin to speak with each other; they are able to emote feelings of loss and grief, and have sympathy and even empathy with humans.  There are recent anecdotes concerning this in the literature, which you are welcome to research.  Therefore, we should tell you that even the mind of a primate, who is not a Neanderthal, who is not as evolved as even the species before Neanderthals, that these are capable of emotions and feelings. They can make ethical decisions, but as far as growth is concerned, this is a great difficulty.  These species must have the capacity of language, and must have the capacity of manual manipulation through their hands to make tools.  These are necessary to help the mind evolve.  Does this answer your question?

You have seen that some primates are capable of being taught sign language, and that once they have this language, they even begin to speak with each other; they are able to emote feelings of loss and grief, and have sympathy and even empathy with humans.  There are recent anecdotes concerning this in the literature, which you are welcome to research.  Therefore, we should tell you that even the mind of a primate, who is not a Neanderthal, who is not as evolved as even the species before Neanderthals, that these are capable of emotions and feelings. They can make ethical decisions, but as far as growth is concerned, this is a great difficulty.  These species must have the capacity of language, and must have the capacity of manual manipulation through their hands to make tools.  These are necessary to help the mind evolve.  Does this answer your question?

===='''''[[Equality]]'''''====

====''[[Equality]]''====

*Equality is missing from our species

*Equality is missing from our species

MMc:  Yes, but in your last explanation, you’ve omitted equality.

MMc:  Yes, but in your last explanation, you’ve omitted equality.

   

   

The aspect of equality is one that is, as you say, not very well grasped by your species, and it is not truly well recognized in your societies, and therefore the societies are struggling with the value of the individual.  It is struggling, therefore, with its own responsibilities and obligations.  Were your society to fully grasp the value of each individual as a potential asset, who has the capacity to improve the social sustainability of themselves and their community and society as a whole, your society would thoroughly take on far more responsibility in preparing the individual for an adult life, a responsible adult life, and for the responsibilities of begetting children.  This is the aspect of equality, of equal value of individuals, that then prepares you as an individual for an aspiring spiritual life.  You have seen, however, in your societies, those Avatars, those Masters, those highly evolved individuals, who have appraised others as equally valuable as themselves, which is essential for peaceful development of social stability.  Your world, your societies and your cultures and democracies are well prepared for this next social evolutionary step.  It must be ingrained in your culture to value others equally, as you value yourself, and to give others equal consideration for their rights to grow, their rights to have a quality of life.  This one fundamental understanding is the basis for the evolution of your societies to become more stable, more social, more evolved and more peaceful, all of which leads to greater social sustainability and the days of light and life.  

The aspect of equality is one that is, as you say, not very well grasped by your species, and it is not truly well recognized in your societies, and therefore the societies are struggling with the value of the individual.  It is struggling, therefore, with its own responsibilities and obligations.  Were your society to fully grasp the value of each individual as a potential asset, who has the capacity to improve the social sustainability of themselves and their community and society as a whole, your society would thoroughly take on far more responsibility in preparing the individual for an adult life, a responsible adult life, and for the responsibilities of begetting children.  This is the aspect of equality, of equal value of individuals, that then prepares you as an individual for an aspiring spiritual life.  You have seen, however, in your societies, those Avatars, those Masters, those highly evolved individuals, who have appraised others as equally valuable as themselves, which is essential for peaceful development of social stability.  Your world, your societies and your cultures and democracies are well prepared for this next social evolutionary step.  It must be ingrained in your culture to value others equally, as you value yourself, and to give others equal consideration for their rights to grow, their rights to have a quality of life.  This one fundamental understanding is the basis for the evolution of your societies to become more stable, more social, more evolved and more peaceful, all of which leads to greater social sustainability and the days of light and life.  

===='''''[[Values]]'''''====

====''[[Values]]''====

*Our world is very primitive, considering the value of equality

*Our world is very primitive, considering the value of equality

Your world is very primitive, considering this fact:  There are many of you in your own society who are egregiously condescending and arrogant in their treatment of others.  This is evidence of a thorough lack of understanding of their own worth, in comparison to others, and the worth of others compared to themselves.  This disparaging treatment of others as individuals, as families, as communities and societies, and ethnic groups will come to an end eventually.  We are here to assist that process by presenting these evolved concepts of equality to you at this time. When these begin to be emplaced in your laws and social policies of societies, whether in for-profit or non-profit, or other organizations, then you will see the beginning of a rapidly evolving society.  This is the main problem of the world now. There is not the conscious thought of parents about the quality of their children to others, and so you find that there are families which have 8, 9, or 10 children, which creates a tremendous draw upon the resources of your society, which takes away from the resources of others yet to come in the next generations.  Until this equation of population is balanced, you will continue to see greed, avarice and the aggressive behaviors of individuals, whether to invade another country or to usurp the financial rights of stockholders for the gain of the individual.  

Your world is very primitive, considering this fact:  There are many of you in your own society who are egregiously condescending and arrogant in their treatment of others.  This is evidence of a thorough lack of understanding of their own worth, in comparison to others, and the worth of others compared to themselves.  This disparaging treatment of others as individuals, as families, as communities and societies, and ethnic groups will come to an end eventually.  We are here to assist that process by presenting these evolved concepts of equality to you at this time. When these begin to be emplaced in your laws and social policies of societies, whether in for-profit or non-profit, or other organizations, then you will see the beginning of a rapidly evolving society.  This is the main problem of the world now. There is not the conscious thought of parents about the quality of their children to others, and so you find that there are families which have 8, 9, or 10 children, which creates a tremendous draw upon the resources of your society, which takes away from the resources of others yet to come in the next generations.  Until this equation of population is balanced, you will continue to see greed, avarice and the aggressive behaviors of individuals, whether to invade another country or to usurp the financial rights of stockholders for the gain of the individual.  

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, the first two values have assisted your species to grow and to sustain itself, not only to survive or to exist, but to sustain itself which means to grow and improve its quality of life as physical beings, as quantities.  However, the last value, that of equality, is the one that must be invoked in your societies for your species to grow socially.  Do you see the difference?

MONJORONSON:  Yes, the first two values have assisted your species to grow and to sustain itself, not only to survive or to exist, but to sustain itself which means to grow and improve its quality of life as physical beings, as quantities.  However, the last value, that of equality, is the one that must be invoked in your societies for your species to grow socially.  Do you see the difference?

===='''''[[Competition]]'''''====

====''[[Competition]]''====

*Equality and competition

*Equality and competition

MMc:  Yes, I do, very much so.  What do you think of the concept that equality fosters competition, or vice versa?

MMc:  Yes, I do, very much so.  What do you think of the concept that equality fosters competition, or vice versa?

*This forum to discuss Planetary Management

*This forum to discuss Planetary Management

MONJORONSON:  We do not have many forums as this in which to discuss Planetary Management, and this is truly what these sessions are all about.  They are to instruct you in how to think as planetary managers, that you are responsible for your personal life, your family life, and partially for your community, and that you are responsible in part for the management of your planet as concerns your realm of responsibilities.  This is truly missing from your cultures, from your national strategies and from your corporate strategies.  This is something that we wish to continue and we thank you for attending to these responsibilities in this forum as you do.  We wish you a good day and look forward to our return.  Good day.

MONJORONSON:  We do not have many forums as this in which to discuss Planetary Management, and this is truly what these sessions are all about.  They are to instruct you in how to think as planetary managers, that you are responsible for your personal life, your family life, and partially for your community, and that you are responsible in part for the management of your planet as concerns your realm of responsibilities.  This is truly missing from your cultures, from your national strategies and from your corporate strategies.  This is something that we wish to continue and we thank you for attending to these responsibilities in this forum as you do.  We wish you a good day and look forward to our return.  Good day.

[[Category: The Teaching Mission: Dialogues]]

[[Category: The Teaching Mission: Dialogues]]