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===Topic: ''Special Session-Forgiveness''===
===Group: [[N. Colorado TeaM]]===
==Facilitators==
===Teacher: [[Monjoronson]]===
===TR: [[Daniel Raphael]]===
==Session==
*Moderator - Vicki Vanderheyden
===Opening===
Daniel: See the silver cord coming from [[Paradise]] through your crown [[chakra]]. Its [[energy]] [[flows]] into your [[body]] and fills your whole body with [[light]], every cell of your body is filled with light and your mind is clear. And there is a golden cord connecting your base chakra to [[earth]] [[center]], and this completes the [[wonderful]] [[circuit]] of energy that we feel. We invoke the [[presence]] of [[Universal Father|the Holy Father]] with us here, to fill our minds and our bodies with his presence for [[clarity]] of [[understanding]] and clarity of answers. We give thanks for this presence and we remain present during this wonderful episode, and we give thanks. [[Amen]].
Vicki: First, let me say I’m both [[grateful]] and [[humbled]] by this [[opportunity]] to serve as moderator to you, Monjoronson, on behalf of Michael and our Father. I would also like to thank Daniel and Roxanne for their roles in this [[process]]. I am new at this, and in the spirit of [[experimentation]], wish to try a new approach, here and there, and so before we begin—and if you are willing—I have some questions related to my role and the process.
MONJORONSON: This is Monjoronson. I would be most [[happy]] to answer your questions, dear one.
===Dialogue===
Vicki: Thank you, Monjoronson. My first question is: How do you feel about our plan to expand the moderator base?
MONJORONSON: This is a wonderful beginning that you have, and I say “beginning” because it will be replicated around the world, numerous times in the future, so let us begin.
Vicki: My second question is: In honoring your request to ask questions that have a spiritual growth value and will assist us in our [[co-creative]] endeavors, I’m wondering if a thematic approach where one topic is covered in more depth for each session would be more helpful? How do you feel about this?
MONJORONSON: This is an excellent approach; do not be restrained by asking about one [[topic]], however, during the session, as we can cover several topics at a time, but not [[simultaneously]], so the theme approach is a wonderful way to get depth of understanding about a topic.
Vicki: Thank you. My third question is: If I am understanding correctly, it is a time for us to expand our [[circle]] of participants to those of different faiths, in an effort to unify or bridge common [[beliefs]], and to establish some common [[language]], where we can. The [[intention]] would be to support the [[Urantia Book]] Revelation by exploring in more depth, those intertwining groups within every religion, or [[Metaphor|metaphorically]] speaking, the “one river beneath many wells.” Am I correct in this [[assumption]]?
MONJORONSON: Yes, but there is more to it than that, as the approach is important to keep in mind. One is that we move forward continuously speaking and publishing our work. We do make references to the Urantia Book, and those who are missing out on the language will be curious to look into that book; however, we do not wish to overly promote the Urantia Book as we do not want our program to become doctrinaire.
Vicki: Thank you, I understand. Then this is my next question, which you may have partially answered here: In doing so, questions may be asked that have terms and possible concepts not found in the Urantia Book, that are indigenous to these differing [[beliefs]], such as the term, for instance, “chakras” or the reference to “the blood of Christ.” This is a sensitive area for some in [[Urantia Movement|our movement]], for they fear that it will distort or misrepresent the [[content]]s of the Urantia Book. And as you have indicated, it sounds like we do not want to restrict ourselves in that way. Could you offer me some guidelines as to what you would consider appropriate?
MONJORONSON: Yes, we will use the [[language]] that is colloquial to this [[culture]], as this is how people of this culture think, and how they relate. The word, such as “chakra” is a colloquial usage that is typical in other cultures, as well besides the Western world. We do not wish to remain strictly adhering to the language of the Urantia Book, as it is in itself over 50 years old at this time, and though it is contemporary, it has some “languaging” that may seem to be antiquarian to others. As this approach comes to the [[attention]] of many across the world, we wish to approach them to make them comfortable so they [[understand]] the [[nature]] of what we are doing. The identification and mortal stamp of approval of the Urantia Book is not [[necessary]], as the [[thought]] [[pattern]] and [[theory]] of its philosophies and of its teachings are pervasive in the work that we do. Thank you.
Vicki: Thank you, Monjoronson. Since I have been brought onboard to select and edit questions to present to you, I’ve struggled with the validity or the invalidity of curiosity questions. This is a result of my teaching experience, where often I found that stimulating [[curiosity]] led to a deeper [[desire]] to learn. I have resolved this in [[feeling]] that curiosity questions are appropriate if they lead to a [[spiritual]] [[growth]] value. Do you agree?
MONJORONSON: Yes.
Vicki: Thank you. With [[events]] [[unfolding]] that relate to [[death]] and dying, I’m sensing a need to address these issues in ways that provide more [[insight]] and comfort to those who are involved in this process. Are these appropriate questions to present to you, or should we perhaps seek the counsel of another, such as Michael, Machiventa or Nebadonia?
MONJORONSON: I would be glad to approach those questions. [[Machiventa]] and I are of almost “one mind,” so to speak, and that I have appropriated a great deal of his earthly experience in our [[association]] to prepare me for this mission that we have begun. You are welcome to ask the questions of myself, though Machiventa perhaps would be more appropriate as he has had living [[experience]] upon this world, and has been a minister to those who have experienced death while he was here in the [[flesh]]. You are welcome to make that [[choice]] yourself.
Vicki: Thank you very much, Monjoronson. I ask if there is any additional [[advice]] you feel we would benefit from [during these special sessions]?
MONJORONSON: Yes, I would hope that we would have a more casual and informal approach to this, as you would want to get acquainted with someone who was at your [[home]], chatting about such subjects over coffee or tea and munching cookies. We do not want to make this overly [[formal]] and staid and stiff, but rather “comfortable,” so that you feel at [[peace]] and at ease, and that you could ask those questions which perhaps may be curiosity questions, but also pique your interest to know more about. So do not be overly formal about this; know that I will assist you in guidelines if you stray outside the boundaries. And please do not be offended if I do so.
Vicki: All right, thank you. I couldn’t ask for more, and it is also my desire to make it more [[Dialogue|conversational]]. Thank you again, Monjoronson, for your [[patience]] and [[insight]].
I have created a [[statement]], that it is an indication of our [[intention]] here: Since “[[forgiveness]]” is at the very [[heart]] of your mission, and is a crucial component in the [[healing]] of what ails us on our [[planet]], we are devoting this session to questions related to the theme of forgiveness. I will begin with our first question: It appears that to truly forgive, and sustain those [[feelings]] of forgiveness, that there are multiple layers and depths that we must travel. Can you give us some insight into this [[process]]?
MONJORONSON: Most certainly. Forgiveness is always related to either one of several situations: The first is, someone does something wrong to you, and you have need to forgive them. Second, you also have need to forgive yourself as well from your [[negative]] emotional [[reaction]] to that offense. Third, you must forgive yourself, as you offend others, for just as someone can offend you, you can offend others. There is a need to forgive that person and to forgive yourself for reacting to that offense. Do you understand? (Yes, very much so.) Most [[mortals]] on [[Urantia]] think only in terms of forgiving someone else, when someone has offended them, insulted them or treated them poorly, and that they must rise above the situation to forgive that person. Yet, forgiveness is [[automatic]] when you have achieved the master/teacher position of Christ Michael as Jesus, and other masters, and this is the teaching position that you all must aspire to, to really have learned your lessons during the [[flesh]].
Vicki: Thank you. That brings to mind one of my other questions, and it relates to the depths and the layers of forgiveness that we must travel. That question is: That there are times from a [[personal]] [[Perspective|standpoint]], when a person may feel a need to [[intellect]]ually or philosophically forgive, and yet they don’t feel that [[desire]] yet in their heart. How do we reconcile this?
MONJORONSON: Let us answer an earlier question that you have not asked, (with a chuckle,) and that deals with those multiple layers of forgiveness that is involved. When someone offends you, you receive this into your [[being]]. You have an emotional reaction, which affects you at the [[cell]]ular level. You not only have a mental [[memory]] of this, you also have a cellular memory of this [[event]]. To overly intellectualize this process misses the point tremendously, as you must take efforts to release the [[energy]] that is locked into your [[mind]] about that event, and also release the energy locked at the cellular level in your [[body]]. Failure to do this will not lead to complete forgiveness; it will lead you only to intellectual forgiveness. You will go through the motions of forgiveness by using the [[language]], but without using your [[heart]], or without using your body to release that. Do you understand?
Vicki: Yes, I do, and my next question would be: How do we go about that?
MONJORONSON: You can go about that through various exercises, both [[physical]] exercises and [[mental]] [[exercises]]. At the physical level, you would want to be able to release that energy through exercise, through deprivation of water or food, or through exertion or exhaustion. You can achieve this effectively when you exercise your body physically, and at the same time repeat affirmations of forgiveness for this activity, this event that occurred. You would state during your physical exercise that you are releasing all energy of the memory of the offense for which you need to forgive. [[Forgiveness]] is an exercise; it is a label that you give to an exercise, both mental and physical for [[Surrender|releasing]] that energy. To say, “I forgive you,” is just simply saying the [[words]]—there must be something more that underlies those words.
You must “exhaust” the energy within you to have a complete release of the [[Poison|toxins]] of those memories. When I say “exhaust” I use the [[metaphor]] of an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion internal combustion engine] where the fuel (memories) are burned up by physical exercise that is guided by your intention for doing so, and your verbal repetition of that statement. Doing so, you release the spent exhaust to the [[universe]].
To release or get rid of that energy at all levels, saying, “I forgive you” at the dinner table, for example, when somebody has said something wrong to you, is to go through the [[motion]]s of forgiveness. It is much like you have read about being blessed, when someone says, “I bless you.” Those are nice words, but it really is a statement, words, that identify a deeper level of [[action]] within you energetically.
Just as in blessing when I say to you, Vicki, that “I forgive you,” I send my energy to you and I forgive you. When I say, “I bless you,” I send my energy, too, that fills your [[body]], your [[mind]], your [[being]] and your [[presence]] in all regards, so that you simply [[glow]] with blessing. So, too, must you release the energy in your body and in your mind when you say, “I forgive.” It is a drawing out of the poison, so to speak, of un-forgiveness, then releasing it to the universe to absorb. If you do not know how to do this energetically, then what you do is, “I call upon Christ Michael, my Lord and Teacher, to receive the un-forgiveness I have in my heart about you.” Is this clearer now?
Vicki: Ver[[Link title]]y much so, and I am very thankful and appreciative that you have given us some [[technique]] that will be valuable to others. (You are welcome.)
MONJORONSON: I wish to go back to the four positions of forgiveness with you, if I might? (Yes, that would be [[wonderful]], thank you.) Just as you would forgive someone who has offended you, it also says something about you that you were offended. It means that you have [[growth]] to do inside yourself. Let us say that you said something unworthy to [[Jesus]], who was in front of you. You know now that your [[words]] would have no [[effect]] upon him; he would not feel bad; he would not feel remorseful for himself or for you. He would teach you to understand that you have not learned the lessons of fully being loving, for were you being fully loving you would not have said the words. Further, were you fully loving you would not have been offended by someone’s words that caused offense. If you are truly [[understanding]] of your [[growth]] as a [[Teacher]], there is no offense received; you simply understand where this [[person]] is coming from, as you would say, because they are [[immature]]; they are undeveloped; they are un-evolved in [[spirit]], and that they say these offensive things because they do not know any better. And being in the Teacher position, you know those [[things]] about that person and do not react to his or her words.
So there is a [[duty]] involved in the [[process]] of forgiveness: one is to forgive the person who said something or did something offensive to you, knowing that they did not know any better; and second, is that you forgive yourself for [[reacting]], because you did not know any better, and that you need to grow and learn to be more loving. Feeling offense is an energetic reaction of an un-evolved spiritual being. You have work to do—this is what it says to you, when you feel [[angry]] at some situation for something that somebody said. It means that you have [[work]] to do. And then the question is, “What is this about in me? Where do I need to grow? What do I need to see to become more completely full, [[mature]] and evolved, so that I do not become angry and need to forgive someone else, and forgive myself and evolve?
The [[feelings]] that you receive from others, whether it is [[anger]], resentment, [[jealousy]], envy, lust or hate, are all reactions within you of incompleteness. They are statements that say, “I need to grow.” And the more you live in [[negative]] emotional reactions is a statement to your life that you need to grow immensely, to grow greatly. As you grow in fullness of your [[being]]—meaning the fullness of your [[capacity]] to [[love]]—these negative emotions will no longer pervade your being, but you will be filled and shot through with [[love]] and [[forgiveness]], [[forbearance]], [[tolerance]] and [[patience]], to name only a few. These are the areas to grow into. As you grow in these positive [[values]] and positive emotional reactions, you will have grown in [[spirit]], so that you will be un-offended by someone who has said something negative to you. Thank you for allowing me to expound on this.
Vicki: Thank you for expounding on this! So this explains why some people seem [[sincere]] in their forgiveness to another, but then cannot sustain that forgiveness. Is that close? (Monjoronson: Exactly!)
I’m going to move to questions that have more of a [[Planetary|global]] direction. My first has a preamble, that I have written, and it says: I can see that it is much easier to forgive another when there has been a [[history]] of a loving [[relationship]], such as you have with a [[family]] member or a [[friend]]. However, when [[individuals]] are asked to forgive an [[entity]] so large as a nation, a [[religion]] or an arm of [[government]], it’s easy to depersonalize and fall back on deep feelings of [[oppression]] that have lasted for generations. How should we then proceed in a way that produces a lasting effect? In other words, where do we begin?
MONJORONSON: You always begin with yourself, and you begin with the [[individual]]. You make a mistake of hating nations and hating [[culture]]s and ethnic [[groups]] as a generality. This leads you into impersonalising your own feelings for yourself and your own nation and your own people. Nations are not individuals; nations do not have [[soul]]s—neither do organizations have souls or [[personality]]. They have none of those characteristics, which would assist them to surpass this [[mortal]] lifetime into the [[afterlife]], and proceed towards [[Havona]] and [[Paradise]].
These are temporary organizations which you have personified, and your [[personification]] of these nations gives rise in you to hold hostility against many people, whereas if you were to relate to one [[individual]] of that nation, you would probably find them [[worthy]] and deserving of your [[affection]] and your [[attention]], your [[presence]] in their life, and you would be [[curious]] to know more about them. Nations are not people; they are not individuals; you miss the point of your [[growth]] when you personify groups of people and say they are good or bad. They are not [[individuals]]. You would be better to look at the [[intentions]] of those groups, those [[collective]] bodies, and see what is it that these people are striving to do. What is it that makes them hostile? What is it that makes them [[violent]]? What is it that they are lacking? For when you address what individuals are lacking within a group, you will begin to erode the impersonal nature of those people; you will see them as needy and needful; you will see them as needing to grow in their culture to become “one” in the world. What is it that they need to be a [[sustainable]] [[citizen]] with you, with the world?
Vicki: Thank you, Monjoronson. That explains a lot, “the disconnect” that I feel sometimes when [[leaders]] are not assisting individuals in their [[populations]] to forgive and move on and unify. And yet, there are times, I’m sure, when individual factional groups that live side-by-side like in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East Middle East], actually develop [[friendship]] with individuals of the other faction. I have always felt that there was a disconnect. How do we take those two processes and bring them together? I’m not sure if I am making sense here.
MONJORONSON: Yes, and if you are able to see this disconnect, if you are able to see how [[political]] [[leaders]] manipulate their people and manipulate everyone to “get onboard,” on the same direction, then you will have [[discovered]] a great deal about how nations gain [[identity]]. This whole [[process]] is a huge element that we must overcome before the earliest stages of [[light and life]] can begin to appear in your world. National [[identity]], national images must be dissolved, so that all people of all nations see each other around the world as one, as one nation, one people, one [[civilization]], one [[culture]]. You see now why it will take decades and centuries for us to overcome this. It is a sense of identity, of national [[ego]], of separatism that must be overcome. These are the very [[fundamentals]] of what you have been asking about.
Vicki: Yes, they are. Thank you. During the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and_reconciliation truth and reconciliation] hearings of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa South Africa], following the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid apartheid], the intent was to promote [[healing]] and national [[unity]] through forgiveness, and the main objective was to uncover the truth about past [[abuse]], using [[amnesty]] as a [[mechanism]], rather than punishing crimes. It appears from the studies done, afterward, that the level of [[healing]] for those who participated, varied considerably—which I would expect, since we are all in a different place in our development and in our healing—but that much was gained in understanding the process and the many contributing factors to so much oppression. My question is: Do you see this as a viable option to promote global [[peace]] among nations? If so, in what ways?
MONJORONSON: Yes, it is a very valuable process. It requires a very higher mind for doing this. It draws a line in the sand of [[time]], stating all before this is [[history]]. It is not a matter of forgiveness or retribution for past actions; they simply are seen as non-existing so that from this [[moment]] forward, all is new, and that those who had created great [[violence]], if they were to live in [[peace]], they would not be harmed, they would not be bothered about what occurred in the past, because the past is virtually non-existent any more. It relieves the mind of having to remember vengeance, remembering the incidents and having to act out vengeance for those past atrocities, crimes or difficulties on both sides. Amnesty and this process says, as of this date, the past no longer exists; we are “one” now and let us live as “one.”
Vicki: Are the truth in reconciliation hearings similar to a process we may participate in during our [[ascension career]]?
MONJORONSON: No. Your [[education]] begins truly in the [[mansion worlds]], where you learn [[everything]] that is new and worthwhile. You will not be bothered about the crimes and [[sin]]s of your life, but only the positive [[attributes]] and [[experiences]] that you bring forward that will contribute to the future. The amnesty and forgiveness are issues for this [[material]] world as a higher-minded [[compromise]] situation, which allows all parties to move forward peacefully, while still recognizing those things that occurred. Your tribunals will occur during your [[ascension]]—this world is in a particular situation where each individual is assessed as they make their migration to the [[mansion worlds]]. Those individuals who are so adamantly against moving ahead or accepting their part in the [[universe]], who deny their sonship with God, who live and desire to live in iniquity do not move forward. They wish to remain in ignorance, no matter what [[light]] is given them. Perhaps I have gone astray from your question.
Vicki: Thank you, Monjoronson, for that. We are often asked to separate “[[judgment]]” from the act of [[forgiveness]]. Can you give us some guidelines on how to do that?
MONJORONSON: First of all, judgment is an act of separation. Judgment pushes the other person away at arms length and farther saying, “We are separate, we are apart.” Judgment also creates separation from yourself and the oneness of [[God]], the oneness with your [[Thought Adjuster]]. Judgment is a conscious [[decision]]; it may only take a fraction of a second to assume, but it causes separation. Any form of separation from others also keeps you in separation from your connection with your [[Thought Adjuster]], from Christ [[Michael]], from [[Jesus]] and from the [[First Source and Center]]. Judgment is as much an [[act]] against yourself as it is against the person to whom you have judgment. Again, it is that position similar to forgiveness; it is a [[parallel]]; it is a summation of non-forgiveness—it says, “You are apart from me, and be gone from me,” and it puts you in the position of arrogance, saying that you are better, where in [[fact]], un-forgiveness and judgment operate on similar levels and keep you apart from moving into wholeness with your [[emotions]], with the higher [[values]] of the [[universe]]. Does this make sense to you?
Vicki: Yes, it does. In understanding it, the way to separate yourself from it then is to basically refuse to be a part of that. Is that correct?
MONJORONSON: Judgment is a conclusion to unforgiveness. It is a [[statement]] that “I am unforgiving.” It also says, [[ironically]], that you are incapable of [[learning]].
Vicki: Thank you, Monjoronson, for that. I’m sure you’ve covered some of this already, but it is so common to hear, that I would like you to speak to it, if you may. It’s common to hear someone say, “I will forgive this person, but I will not forget what he or she has done.” Can you speak to this, please?
MONJORONSON: Most certainly. This can operate on several levels. One is that they truly forgive that individual, knowing that that instant will always remain in [[memory]]. What is [[hope]]d for from your [[Guardian Angels|Guardians]] and your [[Thought Adjuster]] is that as you say, “I forgive,” you also defuse the [[energy]] in the image that is held in memory, so that it becomes a neutral memory—a photograph negative without energy—there is no [[color]] to it, it is simply black and white, it is [[static]], it does not move, it is simply a recording in your mind without energy. All too often, people say, “I forgive you, but I do not forget,” [[meaning]] that they are ready and armed in the future for this [[person]] to act out again, and they hold energy about that. In other [[words]], they have perhaps [[intellectual]]ized their forgiveness without defusing the energy, and they are intentionally protecting themselves from acting out, that they remind themselves to hold this in memory, but have forgiven it, ready to pull the trigger on their unforgiveness in the future. Truly, if you say, “I forgive you but I will remember this,” and honestly say that you remember it but do not hold any grudges and readiness to strike out in the future, then you live in a [[spiritual]] [[reality]] that maximizes your capacity as a [[mortal]] of [[Urantia]].
Vicki: Thank you. One last question: For those who have a [[personal]] [[relationship]] with [[God]], it has been suggested to ask for [[spiritual]] [[guidance]] in the [[healing]] [[process]], yet on our [[planet]] there are many who do not acknowledge the [[existence]] of [[God]]. This leaves them limited to philosophical or intellectual paths in their quest to forgive or to be forgiven. Is this enough to heal them?
MONJORONSON: No, it is not. One must first have these very, very rudiments of [[belief]] that God is present and God has a plan for their [[growth]], and this is called “[[hope]].” Hope is just the first of the five-step tier towards knowing that there is a plan and knowing that it includes them. Hope that God does exist, and that they ask for guidance and forgiveness is the very rudimentary beginnings of growth and forgiveness. The next would be “[[faith]].” and after that would be “[[belief]].” The next is “[[trust]],” and the last is “[[Knowledge|knowing]].” When you [[trust]] in God’s [[existence]], and trust that God forgives you, you trust that this is so.
However, when you know [[God]] exists, and you know God forgives, you know that you have been forgiven, and you know that there is nothing held against you, and you know that you will not make that mistake again. You know that your personal relationship with God exists because you have [[experienced]] it! And when you have forgiven another, you experience the same release that you received when you felt God’s forgiveness for you. So you become very much more than you were in the past. Those at the bottom rung of belief, which is hope, have the beginnings to do this, to [[progress]]. But to intellectualize and philosophize about it is insufficient; this is simply a [[mind]]-centered, [[linear]] [[activity]] of [[intelligence]], rather than a [[heart]]-centered [[presence]] of knowing that there is a [[possibility]] or [[hope]] that you will be forgiven, as you hope that God exists to do so.
Vicki: Wow! Thank you, Monjoronson, for that and also you anticipated that I would want to know what those five tiers were. Thank you again. This concludes my questions, unless you have something that you would like to contribute more to the session?
===Closing===
MONJORONSON: I have enjoyed this session very much; I have enjoyed the thematic portion of it as well, and you are most welcome to engage in what I would call “personalized curiosity questions,” that emanate from your [[heart]], rather than use curiosity questions that emanate from your mind—if you know the [[difference]]. It is simply those curiosity questions that you would ask another who you do not know well, but whom you have met and who you have engaged in, whose [[presence]] you enjoy. It is a way to get to know each other.
I eventually will be [[personalized]] in your [[presence]]; I will be more than an energetic emanation from [[Paradise]]—I will be here in the [[flesh]]. And yes, you will have a reaction to that which would be one of [[awe]] and one of being stunned into [[stillness]], yet there is the eventuality just as [[Machiventa]] experienced among his [[friends]], that his presence made them feel at ease, and once they began to be comfortable with that awe and respect they felt for him, they began to ask him about himself and why he was there. And so it will be too, with you and your progeny, as they become able to know me more personally in the future. So please feel comfortable with me and begin to [[understand]] and know the beginnings of a [[personal]] [[relationship]] with [[spirit]], even one who is from the Divine realm. Thank you.
Vicki: Thank you, Monjoronson. Actually, you have put me at ease through my first [[conversation]] with you in this format, and I look forward to your personalization. This concludes our session.
MONJORONSON: Thank you very much. Good day.
[[Category: The Teaching Mission: Dialogues]]
[[Category: N. Colorado TeaM]]
[[Category: Monjoronson]]
[[Category: Daniel Raphael]]
[[Category: Forgiveness]]
[[Category: 2010]]
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==Heading==
===Topic: ''Special Session-Forgiveness''===
===Group: [[N. Colorado TeaM]]===
==Facilitators==
===Teacher: [[Monjoronson]]===
===TR: [[Daniel Raphael]]===
==Session==
*Moderator - Vicki Vanderheyden
===Opening===
Daniel: See the silver cord coming from [[Paradise]] through your crown [[chakra]]. Its [[energy]] [[flows]] into your [[body]] and fills your whole body with [[light]], every cell of your body is filled with light and your mind is clear. And there is a golden cord connecting your base chakra to [[earth]] [[center]], and this completes the [[wonderful]] [[circuit]] of energy that we feel. We invoke the [[presence]] of [[Universal Father|the Holy Father]] with us here, to fill our minds and our bodies with his presence for [[clarity]] of [[understanding]] and clarity of answers. We give thanks for this presence and we remain present during this wonderful episode, and we give thanks. [[Amen]].
Vicki: First, let me say I’m both [[grateful]] and [[humbled]] by this [[opportunity]] to serve as moderator to you, Monjoronson, on behalf of Michael and our Father. I would also like to thank Daniel and Roxanne for their roles in this [[process]]. I am new at this, and in the spirit of [[experimentation]], wish to try a new approach, here and there, and so before we begin—and if you are willing—I have some questions related to my role and the process.
MONJORONSON: This is Monjoronson. I would be most [[happy]] to answer your questions, dear one.
===Dialogue===
Vicki: Thank you, Monjoronson. My first question is: How do you feel about our plan to expand the moderator base?
MONJORONSON: This is a wonderful beginning that you have, and I say “beginning” because it will be replicated around the world, numerous times in the future, so let us begin.
Vicki: My second question is: In honoring your request to ask questions that have a spiritual growth value and will assist us in our [[co-creative]] endeavors, I’m wondering if a thematic approach where one topic is covered in more depth for each session would be more helpful? How do you feel about this?
MONJORONSON: This is an excellent approach; do not be restrained by asking about one [[topic]], however, during the session, as we can cover several topics at a time, but not [[simultaneously]], so the theme approach is a wonderful way to get depth of understanding about a topic.
Vicki: Thank you. My third question is: If I am understanding correctly, it is a time for us to expand our [[circle]] of participants to those of different faiths, in an effort to unify or bridge common [[beliefs]], and to establish some common [[language]], where we can. The [[intention]] would be to support the [[Urantia Book]] Revelation by exploring in more depth, those intertwining groups within every religion, or [[Metaphor|metaphorically]] speaking, the “one river beneath many wells.” Am I correct in this [[assumption]]?
MONJORONSON: Yes, but there is more to it than that, as the approach is important to keep in mind. One is that we move forward continuously speaking and publishing our work. We do make references to the Urantia Book, and those who are missing out on the language will be curious to look into that book; however, we do not wish to overly promote the Urantia Book as we do not want our program to become doctrinaire.
Vicki: Thank you, I understand. Then this is my next question, which you may have partially answered here: In doing so, questions may be asked that have terms and possible concepts not found in the Urantia Book, that are indigenous to these differing [[beliefs]], such as the term, for instance, “chakras” or the reference to “the blood of Christ.” This is a sensitive area for some in [[Urantia Movement|our movement]], for they fear that it will distort or misrepresent the [[content]]s of the Urantia Book. And as you have indicated, it sounds like we do not want to restrict ourselves in that way. Could you offer me some guidelines as to what you would consider appropriate?
MONJORONSON: Yes, we will use the [[language]] that is colloquial to this [[culture]], as this is how people of this culture think, and how they relate. The word, such as “chakra” is a colloquial usage that is typical in other cultures, as well besides the Western world. We do not wish to remain strictly adhering to the language of the Urantia Book, as it is in itself over 50 years old at this time, and though it is contemporary, it has some “languaging” that may seem to be antiquarian to others. As this approach comes to the [[attention]] of many across the world, we wish to approach them to make them comfortable so they [[understand]] the [[nature]] of what we are doing. The identification and mortal stamp of approval of the Urantia Book is not [[necessary]], as the [[thought]] [[pattern]] and [[theory]] of its philosophies and of its teachings are pervasive in the work that we do. Thank you.
Vicki: Thank you, Monjoronson. Since I have been brought onboard to select and edit questions to present to you, I’ve struggled with the validity or the invalidity of curiosity questions. This is a result of my teaching experience, where often I found that stimulating [[curiosity]] led to a deeper [[desire]] to learn. I have resolved this in [[feeling]] that curiosity questions are appropriate if they lead to a [[spiritual]] [[growth]] value. Do you agree?
MONJORONSON: Yes.
Vicki: Thank you. With [[events]] [[unfolding]] that relate to [[death]] and dying, I’m sensing a need to address these issues in ways that provide more [[insight]] and comfort to those who are involved in this process. Are these appropriate questions to present to you, or should we perhaps seek the counsel of another, such as Michael, Machiventa or Nebadonia?
MONJORONSON: I would be glad to approach those questions. [[Machiventa]] and I are of almost “one mind,” so to speak, and that I have appropriated a great deal of his earthly experience in our [[association]] to prepare me for this mission that we have begun. You are welcome to ask the questions of myself, though Machiventa perhaps would be more appropriate as he has had living [[experience]] upon this world, and has been a minister to those who have experienced death while he was here in the [[flesh]]. You are welcome to make that [[choice]] yourself.
Vicki: Thank you very much, Monjoronson. I ask if there is any additional [[advice]] you feel we would benefit from [during these special sessions]?
MONJORONSON: Yes, I would hope that we would have a more casual and informal approach to this, as you would want to get acquainted with someone who was at your [[home]], chatting about such subjects over coffee or tea and munching cookies. We do not want to make this overly [[formal]] and staid and stiff, but rather “comfortable,” so that you feel at [[peace]] and at ease, and that you could ask those questions which perhaps may be curiosity questions, but also pique your interest to know more about. So do not be overly formal about this; know that I will assist you in guidelines if you stray outside the boundaries. And please do not be offended if I do so.
Vicki: All right, thank you. I couldn’t ask for more, and it is also my desire to make it more [[Dialogue|conversational]]. Thank you again, Monjoronson, for your [[patience]] and [[insight]].
I have created a [[statement]], that it is an indication of our [[intention]] here: Since “[[forgiveness]]” is at the very [[heart]] of your mission, and is a crucial component in the [[healing]] of what ails us on our [[planet]], we are devoting this session to questions related to the theme of forgiveness. I will begin with our first question: It appears that to truly forgive, and sustain those [[feelings]] of forgiveness, that there are multiple layers and depths that we must travel. Can you give us some insight into this [[process]]?
MONJORONSON: Most certainly. Forgiveness is always related to either one of several situations: The first is, someone does something wrong to you, and you have need to forgive them. Second, you also have need to forgive yourself as well from your [[negative]] emotional [[reaction]] to that offense. Third, you must forgive yourself, as you offend others, for just as someone can offend you, you can offend others. There is a need to forgive that person and to forgive yourself for reacting to that offense. Do you understand? (Yes, very much so.) Most [[mortals]] on [[Urantia]] think only in terms of forgiving someone else, when someone has offended them, insulted them or treated them poorly, and that they must rise above the situation to forgive that person. Yet, forgiveness is [[automatic]] when you have achieved the master/teacher position of Christ Michael as Jesus, and other masters, and this is the teaching position that you all must aspire to, to really have learned your lessons during the [[flesh]].
Vicki: Thank you. That brings to mind one of my other questions, and it relates to the depths and the layers of forgiveness that we must travel. That question is: That there are times from a [[personal]] [[Perspective|standpoint]], when a person may feel a need to [[intellect]]ually or philosophically forgive, and yet they don’t feel that [[desire]] yet in their heart. How do we reconcile this?
MONJORONSON: Let us answer an earlier question that you have not asked, (with a chuckle,) and that deals with those multiple layers of forgiveness that is involved. When someone offends you, you receive this into your [[being]]. You have an emotional reaction, which affects you at the [[cell]]ular level. You not only have a mental [[memory]] of this, you also have a cellular memory of this [[event]]. To overly intellectualize this process misses the point tremendously, as you must take efforts to release the [[energy]] that is locked into your [[mind]] about that event, and also release the energy locked at the cellular level in your [[body]]. Failure to do this will not lead to complete forgiveness; it will lead you only to intellectual forgiveness. You will go through the motions of forgiveness by using the [[language]], but without using your [[heart]], or without using your body to release that. Do you understand?
Vicki: Yes, I do, and my next question would be: How do we go about that?
MONJORONSON: You can go about that through various exercises, both [[physical]] exercises and [[mental]] [[exercises]]. At the physical level, you would want to be able to release that energy through exercise, through deprivation of water or food, or through exertion or exhaustion. You can achieve this effectively when you exercise your body physically, and at the same time repeat affirmations of forgiveness for this activity, this event that occurred. You would state during your physical exercise that you are releasing all energy of the memory of the offense for which you need to forgive. [[Forgiveness]] is an exercise; it is a label that you give to an exercise, both mental and physical for [[Surrender|releasing]] that energy. To say, “I forgive you,” is just simply saying the [[words]]—there must be something more that underlies those words.
You must “exhaust” the energy within you to have a complete release of the [[Poison|toxins]] of those memories. When I say “exhaust” I use the [[metaphor]] of an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion internal combustion engine] where the fuel (memories) are burned up by physical exercise that is guided by your intention for doing so, and your verbal repetition of that statement. Doing so, you release the spent exhaust to the [[universe]].
To release or get rid of that energy at all levels, saying, “I forgive you” at the dinner table, for example, when somebody has said something wrong to you, is to go through the [[motion]]s of forgiveness. It is much like you have read about being blessed, when someone says, “I bless you.” Those are nice words, but it really is a statement, words, that identify a deeper level of [[action]] within you energetically.
Just as in blessing when I say to you, Vicki, that “I forgive you,” I send my energy to you and I forgive you. When I say, “I bless you,” I send my energy, too, that fills your [[body]], your [[mind]], your [[being]] and your [[presence]] in all regards, so that you simply [[glow]] with blessing. So, too, must you release the energy in your body and in your mind when you say, “I forgive.” It is a drawing out of the poison, so to speak, of un-forgiveness, then releasing it to the universe to absorb. If you do not know how to do this energetically, then what you do is, “I call upon Christ Michael, my Lord and Teacher, to receive the un-forgiveness I have in my heart about you.” Is this clearer now?
Vicki: Ver[[Link title]]y much so, and I am very thankful and appreciative that you have given us some [[technique]] that will be valuable to others. (You are welcome.)
MONJORONSON: I wish to go back to the four positions of forgiveness with you, if I might? (Yes, that would be [[wonderful]], thank you.) Just as you would forgive someone who has offended you, it also says something about you that you were offended. It means that you have [[growth]] to do inside yourself. Let us say that you said something unworthy to [[Jesus]], who was in front of you. You know now that your [[words]] would have no [[effect]] upon him; he would not feel bad; he would not feel remorseful for himself or for you. He would teach you to understand that you have not learned the lessons of fully being loving, for were you being fully loving you would not have said the words. Further, were you fully loving you would not have been offended by someone’s words that caused offense. If you are truly [[understanding]] of your [[growth]] as a [[Teacher]], there is no offense received; you simply understand where this [[person]] is coming from, as you would say, because they are [[immature]]; they are undeveloped; they are un-evolved in [[spirit]], and that they say these offensive things because they do not know any better. And being in the Teacher position, you know those [[things]] about that person and do not react to his or her words.
So there is a [[duty]] involved in the [[process]] of forgiveness: one is to forgive the person who said something or did something offensive to you, knowing that they did not know any better; and second, is that you forgive yourself for [[reacting]], because you did not know any better, and that you need to grow and learn to be more loving. Feeling offense is an energetic reaction of an un-evolved spiritual being. You have work to do—this is what it says to you, when you feel [[angry]] at some situation for something that somebody said. It means that you have [[work]] to do. And then the question is, “What is this about in me? Where do I need to grow? What do I need to see to become more completely full, [[mature]] and evolved, so that I do not become angry and need to forgive someone else, and forgive myself and evolve?
The [[feelings]] that you receive from others, whether it is [[anger]], resentment, [[jealousy]], envy, lust or hate, are all reactions within you of incompleteness. They are statements that say, “I need to grow.” And the more you live in [[negative]] emotional reactions is a statement to your life that you need to grow immensely, to grow greatly. As you grow in fullness of your [[being]]—meaning the fullness of your [[capacity]] to [[love]]—these negative emotions will no longer pervade your being, but you will be filled and shot through with [[love]] and [[forgiveness]], [[forbearance]], [[tolerance]] and [[patience]], to name only a few. These are the areas to grow into. As you grow in these positive [[values]] and positive emotional reactions, you will have grown in [[spirit]], so that you will be un-offended by someone who has said something negative to you. Thank you for allowing me to expound on this.
Vicki: Thank you for expounding on this! So this explains why some people seem [[sincere]] in their forgiveness to another, but then cannot sustain that forgiveness. Is that close? (Monjoronson: Exactly!)
I’m going to move to questions that have more of a [[Planetary|global]] direction. My first has a preamble, that I have written, and it says: I can see that it is much easier to forgive another when there has been a [[history]] of a loving [[relationship]], such as you have with a [[family]] member or a [[friend]]. However, when [[individuals]] are asked to forgive an [[entity]] so large as a nation, a [[religion]] or an arm of [[government]], it’s easy to depersonalize and fall back on deep feelings of [[oppression]] that have lasted for generations. How should we then proceed in a way that produces a lasting effect? In other words, where do we begin?
MONJORONSON: You always begin with yourself, and you begin with the [[individual]]. You make a mistake of hating nations and hating [[culture]]s and ethnic [[groups]] as a generality. This leads you into impersonalising your own feelings for yourself and your own nation and your own people. Nations are not individuals; nations do not have [[soul]]s—neither do organizations have souls or [[personality]]. They have none of those characteristics, which would assist them to surpass this [[mortal]] lifetime into the [[afterlife]], and proceed towards [[Havona]] and [[Paradise]].
These are temporary organizations which you have personified, and your [[personification]] of these nations gives rise in you to hold hostility against many people, whereas if you were to relate to one [[individual]] of that nation, you would probably find them [[worthy]] and deserving of your [[affection]] and your [[attention]], your [[presence]] in their life, and you would be [[curious]] to know more about them. Nations are not people; they are not individuals; you miss the point of your [[growth]] when you personify groups of people and say they are good or bad. They are not [[individuals]]. You would be better to look at the [[intentions]] of those groups, those [[collective]] bodies, and see what is it that these people are striving to do. What is it that makes them hostile? What is it that makes them [[violent]]? What is it that they are lacking? For when you address what individuals are lacking within a group, you will begin to erode the impersonal nature of those people; you will see them as needy and needful; you will see them as needing to grow in their culture to become “one” in the world. What is it that they need to be a [[sustainable]] [[citizen]] with you, with the world?
Vicki: Thank you, Monjoronson. That explains a lot, “the disconnect” that I feel sometimes when [[leaders]] are not assisting individuals in their [[populations]] to forgive and move on and unify. And yet, there are times, I’m sure, when individual factional groups that live side-by-side like in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East Middle East], actually develop [[friendship]] with individuals of the other faction. I have always felt that there was a disconnect. How do we take those two processes and bring them together? I’m not sure if I am making sense here.
MONJORONSON: Yes, and if you are able to see this disconnect, if you are able to see how [[political]] [[leaders]] manipulate their people and manipulate everyone to “get onboard,” on the same direction, then you will have [[discovered]] a great deal about how nations gain [[identity]]. This whole [[process]] is a huge element that we must overcome before the earliest stages of [[light and life]] can begin to appear in your world. National [[identity]], national images must be dissolved, so that all people of all nations see each other around the world as one, as one nation, one people, one [[civilization]], one [[culture]]. You see now why it will take decades and centuries for us to overcome this. It is a sense of identity, of national [[ego]], of separatism that must be overcome. These are the very [[fundamentals]] of what you have been asking about.
Vicki: Yes, they are. Thank you. During the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and_reconciliation truth and reconciliation] hearings of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa South Africa], following the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid apartheid], the intent was to promote [[healing]] and national [[unity]] through forgiveness, and the main objective was to uncover the truth about past [[abuse]], using [[amnesty]] as a [[mechanism]], rather than punishing crimes. It appears from the studies done, afterward, that the level of [[healing]] for those who participated, varied considerably—which I would expect, since we are all in a different place in our development and in our healing—but that much was gained in understanding the process and the many contributing factors to so much oppression. My question is: Do you see this as a viable option to promote global [[peace]] among nations? If so, in what ways?
MONJORONSON: Yes, it is a very valuable process. It requires a very higher mind for doing this. It draws a line in the sand of [[time]], stating all before this is [[history]]. It is not a matter of forgiveness or retribution for past actions; they simply are seen as non-existing so that from this [[moment]] forward, all is new, and that those who had created great [[violence]], if they were to live in [[peace]], they would not be harmed, they would not be bothered about what occurred in the past, because the past is virtually non-existent any more. It relieves the mind of having to remember vengeance, remembering the incidents and having to act out vengeance for those past atrocities, crimes or difficulties on both sides. Amnesty and this process says, as of this date, the past no longer exists; we are “one” now and let us live as “one.”
Vicki: Are the truth in reconciliation hearings similar to a process we may participate in during our [[ascension career]]?
MONJORONSON: No. Your [[education]] begins truly in the [[mansion worlds]], where you learn [[everything]] that is new and worthwhile. You will not be bothered about the crimes and [[sin]]s of your life, but only the positive [[attributes]] and [[experiences]] that you bring forward that will contribute to the future. The amnesty and forgiveness are issues for this [[material]] world as a higher-minded [[compromise]] situation, which allows all parties to move forward peacefully, while still recognizing those things that occurred. Your tribunals will occur during your [[ascension]]—this world is in a particular situation where each individual is assessed as they make their migration to the [[mansion worlds]]. Those individuals who are so adamantly against moving ahead or accepting their part in the [[universe]], who deny their sonship with God, who live and desire to live in iniquity do not move forward. They wish to remain in ignorance, no matter what [[light]] is given them. Perhaps I have gone astray from your question.
Vicki: Thank you, Monjoronson, for that. We are often asked to separate “[[judgment]]” from the act of [[forgiveness]]. Can you give us some guidelines on how to do that?
MONJORONSON: First of all, judgment is an act of separation. Judgment pushes the other person away at arms length and farther saying, “We are separate, we are apart.” Judgment also creates separation from yourself and the oneness of [[God]], the oneness with your [[Thought Adjuster]]. Judgment is a conscious [[decision]]; it may only take a fraction of a second to assume, but it causes separation. Any form of separation from others also keeps you in separation from your connection with your [[Thought Adjuster]], from Christ [[Michael]], from [[Jesus]] and from the [[First Source and Center]]. Judgment is as much an [[act]] against yourself as it is against the person to whom you have judgment. Again, it is that position similar to forgiveness; it is a [[parallel]]; it is a summation of non-forgiveness—it says, “You are apart from me, and be gone from me,” and it puts you in the position of arrogance, saying that you are better, where in [[fact]], un-forgiveness and judgment operate on similar levels and keep you apart from moving into wholeness with your [[emotions]], with the higher [[values]] of the [[universe]]. Does this make sense to you?
Vicki: Yes, it does. In understanding it, the way to separate yourself from it then is to basically refuse to be a part of that. Is that correct?
MONJORONSON: Judgment is a conclusion to unforgiveness. It is a [[statement]] that “I am unforgiving.” It also says, [[ironically]], that you are incapable of [[learning]].
Vicki: Thank you, Monjoronson, for that. I’m sure you’ve covered some of this already, but it is so common to hear, that I would like you to speak to it, if you may. It’s common to hear someone say, “I will forgive this person, but I will not forget what he or she has done.” Can you speak to this, please?
MONJORONSON: Most certainly. This can operate on several levels. One is that they truly forgive that individual, knowing that that instant will always remain in [[memory]]. What is [[hope]]d for from your [[Guardian Angels|Guardians]] and your [[Thought Adjuster]] is that as you say, “I forgive,” you also defuse the [[energy]] in the image that is held in memory, so that it becomes a neutral memory—a photograph negative without energy—there is no [[color]] to it, it is simply black and white, it is [[static]], it does not move, it is simply a recording in your mind without energy. All too often, people say, “I forgive you, but I do not forget,” [[meaning]] that they are ready and armed in the future for this [[person]] to act out again, and they hold energy about that. In other [[words]], they have perhaps [[intellectual]]ized their forgiveness without defusing the energy, and they are intentionally protecting themselves from acting out, that they remind themselves to hold this in memory, but have forgiven it, ready to pull the trigger on their unforgiveness in the future. Truly, if you say, “I forgive you but I will remember this,” and honestly say that you remember it but do not hold any grudges and readiness to strike out in the future, then you live in a [[spiritual]] [[reality]] that maximizes your capacity as a [[mortal]] of [[Urantia]].
Vicki: Thank you. One last question: For those who have a [[personal]] [[relationship]] with [[God]], it has been suggested to ask for [[spiritual]] [[guidance]] in the [[healing]] [[process]], yet on our [[planet]] there are many who do not acknowledge the [[existence]] of [[God]]. This leaves them limited to philosophical or intellectual paths in their quest to forgive or to be forgiven. Is this enough to heal them?
MONJORONSON: No, it is not. One must first have these very, very rudiments of [[belief]] that God is present and God has a plan for their [[growth]], and this is called “[[hope]].” Hope is just the first of the five-step tier towards knowing that there is a plan and knowing that it includes them. Hope that God does exist, and that they ask for guidance and forgiveness is the very rudimentary beginnings of growth and forgiveness. The next would be “[[faith]].” and after that would be “[[belief]].” The next is “[[trust]],” and the last is “[[Knowledge|knowing]].” When you [[trust]] in God’s [[existence]], and trust that God forgives you, you trust that this is so.
However, when you know [[God]] exists, and you know God forgives, you know that you have been forgiven, and you know that there is nothing held against you, and you know that you will not make that mistake again. You know that your personal relationship with God exists because you have [[experienced]] it! And when you have forgiven another, you experience the same release that you received when you felt God’s forgiveness for you. So you become very much more than you were in the past. Those at the bottom rung of belief, which is hope, have the beginnings to do this, to [[progress]]. But to intellectualize and philosophize about it is insufficient; this is simply a [[mind]]-centered, [[linear]] [[activity]] of [[intelligence]], rather than a [[heart]]-centered [[presence]] of knowing that there is a [[possibility]] or [[hope]] that you will be forgiven, as you hope that God exists to do so.
Vicki: Wow! Thank you, Monjoronson, for that and also you anticipated that I would want to know what those five tiers were. Thank you again. This concludes my questions, unless you have something that you would like to contribute more to the session?
===Closing===
MONJORONSON: I have enjoyed this session very much; I have enjoyed the thematic portion of it as well, and you are most welcome to engage in what I would call “personalized curiosity questions,” that emanate from your [[heart]], rather than use curiosity questions that emanate from your mind—if you know the [[difference]]. It is simply those curiosity questions that you would ask another who you do not know well, but whom you have met and who you have engaged in, whose [[presence]] you enjoy. It is a way to get to know each other.
I eventually will be [[personalized]] in your [[presence]]; I will be more than an energetic emanation from [[Paradise]]—I will be here in the [[flesh]]. And yes, you will have a reaction to that which would be one of [[awe]] and one of being stunned into [[stillness]], yet there is the eventuality just as [[Machiventa]] experienced among his [[friends]], that his presence made them feel at ease, and once they began to be comfortable with that awe and respect they felt for him, they began to ask him about himself and why he was there. And so it will be too, with you and your progeny, as they become able to know me more personally in the future. So please feel comfortable with me and begin to [[understand]] and know the beginnings of a [[personal]] [[relationship]] with [[spirit]], even one who is from the Divine realm. Thank you.
Vicki: Thank you, Monjoronson. Actually, you have put me at ease through my first [[conversation]] with you in this format, and I look forward to your personalization. This concludes our session.
MONJORONSON: Thank you very much. Good day.
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