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| as we're all part of the same [[planet]], part of the same [[the System|system]] and | | as we're all part of the same [[planet]], part of the same [[the System|system]] and |
| the same [[Local Universe|universe]]. | | the same [[Local Universe|universe]]. |
− | | + | ===='''''[[Parenting]]''''', '''''[[Experience]]'''''==== |
| Q: You know, I made the same comment last week. Is it even possible to | | Q: You know, I made the same comment last week. Is it even possible to |
− | [[understand]] that [[parental]] side of love without experiencing the | + | [[understand]] that [[parental]] side of [[love]] without [[experiencing]] the |
− | actual parental experience? | + | actual [[parental]] experience? |
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− | Q: Probably by seeing what the love of parents who have children. I | + | Q: Probably by seeing what the [[love]] of [[parents]] who have [[children]]. I |
− | think the people around you would probably give you a feeling of | + | think the people around you would probably give you a [[feeling]] of |
| what it would be like. | | what it would be like. |
| | | |
− | Q: I don't know, I wonder, because as I understand the text, we will | + | Q: I don't know, I [[wonder]], because as I [[understand]] the [[text]], we will |
− | all raise children, either on this planet or the next; and I think | + | [[45:6 Adamic Training of Ascenders|all raise children, either on this planet or the next]]; and I think |
| it's because of that reason that we need to have that hands-on | | it's because of that reason that we need to have that hands-on |
− | personal experience of what it means to actually be a parent, to | + | [[personal]] [[experience]] of what it means to actually be a [[parent]], to |
− | know that love. | + | know that [[love]]. |
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− | Q: I think too, that having a step-child before I had a child of my | + | Q: I think too, that having a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepchildren step-child] before I had a child of my |
− | own, that after I had the child of my own, my love increased for my | + | own, that after I had the child of my own, my [[love]] increased for my |
− | step-child and my understanding of nurturing him was increased. So | + | step-child and my [[understanding]] of nurturing him was increased. So |
| it did help me. | | it did help me. |
| | | |
| Q: But that doesn't mean to imply that because you're not a parent on | | Q: But that doesn't mean to imply that because you're not a parent on |
− | this planet, that you are any less loving. | + | this [[planet]], that you are any less loving. |
| | | |
− | Q: To me, when my daughter was born, I had some life decisions to make | + | Q: To me, when my daughter was [[born]], I had some life [[decisions]] to make |
− | about my career and stuff; but I remember looking at her, and it's | + | about my [[career]] and stuff; but I remember looking at her, and it's |
− | kind of like a perspective of being (?) something much larger than | + | kind of like a [[perspective]] of [[being]] (?) something much larger than |
− | this planet. Understanding our careers, I guess, is a whole | + | this [[planet]]. [[Understanding]] our careers, I guess, is a whole |
− | different perspective looking at our day-to-day problems. I think | + | different [[perspective]] looking at our day-to-day [[problems]]. I think |
− | it did that for me even without that kind of knowledge. It was like | + | it did that for me even without that kind of [[knowledge]]. It was like |
− | you know, so many years in this life was not significant in relation | + | you know, so many years in this life was not significant in [[relation]] |
− | to what you have and what the relationship is and the love you feel. | + | to what you have and what the relationship is and the [[love]] you [[feel]]. |
− | But I think you can still express that fatherly love on some levels | + | But I [[think]] you can still [[express]] that [[father]]ly love on some levels |
− | without that experience. | + | without that [[experience]]. |
| | | |
− | Q: I agree. Look how people who don't have children still give of | + | Q: I [[agree]]. Look how people who don't have [[children]] still give of |
| themselves. And it's the parental fashion, they give because they | | themselves. And it's the parental fashion, they give because they |
− | see that they have experiences that they can pass on, that they can | + | see that they have [[experiences]] that they can pass on, that they can |
− | help someone with. It is in, from my understanding, the same | + | help someone with. It is in, from my [[understanding]], the same |
− | attitude that Norsen was trying to explain. They're taking | + | [[attitude]] that Norsen was trying to [[explain]]. They're taking |
− | responsibility actually for someone learning something from them, | + | [[responsibility]] actually for someone learning something from them, |
− | and they're doing it with the intention of helping that person to | + | and they're doing it with the [[intention]] of helping that [[person]] to |
− | grow to another plane. You know, teachers do that, whether they | + | grow to another [[plane]]. You know, [[teachers]] do that, whether they |
| have kids or not. | | have kids or not. |
| | | |
− | Q: Or giving someone...or looking at someone and recognizing them as a | + | Q: Or giving someone...or looking at someone and [[recognizing]] them as a |
− | part of God, as one of God's children when viewing Jesus when you | + | [[part]] of [[God]], as one of God's [[children]] when viewing [[Jesus]] when you |
− | look at them. I think you're giving them a sense of acceptance and | + | look at them. I think you're giving them a sense of [[acceptance]] and |
− | existence, allowing them to be who they are and creating an | + | [[existence]], allowing them to be who they are and creating an |
− | environment in which they can grow to be what they can be. I think | + | [[environment]] in which they can grow to be what they can be. I think |
− | when our judgments come in, or even when we choose not to see people | + | when our [[judgments]] come in, or even when we choose not to see people |
| that way, that's a judgment. | | that way, that's a judgment. |
| | | |
− | Q: I think another thing we have to be very mindful of in reading | + | Q: I think another thing we have to be very mindful of in [[reading]] |
− | anything from the text, especially in relation to the life and | + | anything from the [[text]], especially in [[relation]] to the life and |
− | teachings, is that Jesus lived his life for all of his universe. So | + | teachings, is that [[Jesus]] lived his life for all of [[his universe]]. So |
− | when he says things, he's talking to more than just the humans of | + | when he says things, he's talking to more than just the [[humans]] of |
− | our planet. And my point is that he's also addressing the Welmeks | + | our [[planet]]. And my point is that he's also addressing the Welmeks |
− | of the universe who are growing up on Light and Life worlds, they | + | of the [[universe]] who are growing up on [[Light and Life]] worlds, they |
− | need insight also. | + | need [[insight]] also. |
| | | |
− | I'm not so sure that for us, in our meager existence on this | + | I'm not so sure that for us, in our meager [[existence]] on this |
− | isolated sphere, it's important to truly be able to distinguish | + | [[isolated]] [[sphere]], it's important to truly be able to distinguish |
− | between the Father's love and the love for a brother. I think | + | between [[the Father]]'s [[love]] and the love for a [[brother]]. I think |
| what's important for us is that we feel the love. I mean we are at | | what's important for us is that we feel the love. I mean we are at |
− | ground zero compared to a Welmek who has the insight that can | + | ground zero compared to a [[Welmek]] who has the [[insight]] that can |
− | probably be able to get a much better grasp of a love for the Father | + | probably be able to get a much better grasp of a love for [[the Father]] |
− | versus the love for his brothers and sisters and a much deeper | + | versus the love for his [[brothers and sisters]] and a much deeper |
− | understanding of the true significance of what Jesus said. | + | [[understanding]] of the true significance of what [[Jesus]] said. |
| | | |
− | For us to struggle with the fact that I don't quite understand the | + | For us to [[struggle]] with the [[fact]] that I don't quite [[understand]] the |
− | difference and it confuses me, I think we miss the point. I think | + | [[difference]] and it [[confuses]] me, I think we miss the [[point]]. I think |
− | that the point, again, for us is the teachers have all been | + | that the point, again, for us is the [[teachers]] have all been |
− | instructing us to do is to feel this love inside. Don't put the | + | instructing us to do is to [[feel]] this [[love]] inside. Don't put the |
− | label of necessarily the Father or for the brother. Manifest the | + | label of necessarily [[the Father]] or for the [[brother]]. [[Manifest]] the |
− | love toward another as though that person were Jesus. | + | love toward another as though that [[person]] were [[Jesus]]. |
| | | |
| I can say I have actively been trying to do that. It is really | | I can say I have actively been trying to do that. It is really |
− | difficult for me because each person I encounter I have to re-gear | + | [[difficult]] for me because each [[person]] I encounter I have to re-gear |
− | and I'm constantly trying to re-think, "This is another Jesus" and I | + | and I'm constantly trying to re-think, "This is another [[Jesus]]" and I |
− | want to start acting like it really was him; and I forget and get | + | want to start [[acting]] like it really was him; and I forget and get |
− | wrapped up in routine, so on and so forth. But when I do it, there | + | wrapped up in [[routine]], so on and so forth. But when I do it, there |
− | is a significant feeling within that is undeniable. And how the | + | is a significant [[feeling]] within that is undeniable. And how the |
− | other person responds, I'm not really very concerned about because I | + | other [[person]] [[responds]], I'm not really very concerned about because I |
− | know I can't control them anyway. I'm mostly concerned now about my | + | know I can't [[control]] them anyway. I'm mostly concerned now about my |
− | love for them rather than their reaction to my love for them. | + | [[love]] for them rather than their [[reaction]] to my [[love]] for them. |
| | | |
− | I think, again, this is what both Jesus and the teachers are saying. | + | I think, again, this is what both [[Jesus]] and the [[teachers]] are saying. |
− | If we could achieve that each time we encounter someone, where would | + | If we could [[achieve]] that each time we encounter someone, where would |
− | we be in our spiritual growth? Will we have achieved that which we | + | we be in our [[spiritual]] [[growth]]? Will we have achieved that which we |
− | set out for? The feelings that I had were, again, very calm peace | + | set out for? The [[feelings]] that I had were, again, very calm [[peace]] |
− | of mind, and that's certainly some of my objectives to find in life. | + | of [[mind]], and that's certainly some of my objectives to find in life. |
| | | |
− | But it just doesn't happen. It takes effort. It takes hard work. | + | But it just doesn't happen. It takes [[effort]]. It takes hard [[work]]. |
− | There's no magic wand that says okay, now you're going to go treat | + | There's no [[magic]] [[wand]] that says okay, now you're going to go treat |
− | everybody like it's Jesus. You really have to engage the person and | + | everybody like it's [[Jesus]]. You really have to [[engage]] the [[person]] and |
− | think of them and feel for them in that way. It's had a significant | + | [[think]] of them and feel for them in that way. It's had a significant |
− | impact on me, to the point that it encourages me to try it again and | + | [[impact]] on me, to the point that it [[encourages]] me to try it again and |
| to keep on trying it because I know what I felt. I know how it | | to keep on trying it because I know what I felt. I know how it |
− | changed my perspective. | + | changed my [[perspective]]. |
| | | |
− | Q: At the same time, if you don't achieve that every time, you can't | + | Q: At the same time, if you don't [[achieve]] that every time, you can't |
− | crucify yourself either. You have to just keep going on and that's | + | [[crucify]] yourself either. You have to just keep going on and that's |
− | something I think many people have a tendency to do. You know you | + | something I [[think]] many people have a tendency to do. You know you |
| realize you're not perfect and you're so hard on yourself that you | | realize you're not perfect and you're so hard on yourself that you |
| have to say, "Well I didn't do it this time, I'll just have to try | | have to say, "Well I didn't do it this time, I'll just have to try |
| it next time." | | it next time." |
| | | |
− | Q: And the challenge is in the case of what Mark said and we all have | + | Q: And the [[challenge]] is in the case of what Mark said and we all have |
− | this in our jobs or in interpersonal relationships, there are these | + | this in our jobs or in interpersonal [[relationships]], there are these |
| people that make these off-the-wall comments that your initial | | people that make these off-the-wall comments that your initial |
− | response is you want to smack them beside the head because it's such | + | [[response]] is you want to smack them beside the head because it's such |
− | a stupid thing for you say, for that person to be saying; but as | + | a stupid thing for you say, for that [[person]] to be saying; but as |
− | Welmek said, you know, how did Jesus respond when he was being | + | [[Welmek]] said, you know, how did [[Jesus]] respond when he was being |
− | nailed to the cross? Certainly a little more painful and more long- | + | [[Crucifixion|nailed to the cross]]? Certainly a little more [[painful]] and more long- |
− | lasting than a snooty remark by somebody. His response was "Father | + | lasting than a snooty remark by somebody. His [[response]] was "[[187:2 The Crucifixion|Father |
− | forgive them, they just don't know what they're doing." And if we | + | forgive them, they just don't know what they're doing]]." And if we |
| can really start to incorporate that, not that we're saying "Father, | | can really start to incorporate that, not that we're saying "Father, |
− | look how much better I am than that person is, but forgive them | + | look how much better I am than that [[person]] is, but [[forgive]] them |
| because they don't know they're really hurting me, or obviously they | | because they don't know they're really hurting me, or obviously they |
| don't know you." | | don't know you." |
| | | |
− | Q: Well, they're in trouble tomorrow, I can tell you. (laughter) I've | + | Q: Well, they're in trouble tomorrow, I can tell you. ([[laughter]]) I've |
| got more ammunition. | | got more ammunition. |
| | | |
− | Q: Welmek, what would you say is the difference between fatherly and | + | Q: Welmek, what would you say is the [[difference]] between [[140:5 Fatherly and Brotherly Love|fatherly and |
− | brotherly love? | + | brotherly love]]? |
| | | |
− | A: It is for me a matter of perspective. The perspective of a father's | + | A: It is for me a matter of [[perspective]]. The perspective of a [[father]]'s |
− | love is so much more all-encompassing than the love a brother has | + | [[love]] is so much more all-[[encompassing]] than the love a [[brother]] has |
| for a brother or a sister. I would like you in the next week to | | for a brother or a sister. I would like you in the next week to |
− | consider this. Again, we will talk about this again in the future. | + | consider this. Again, we will talk about this again in the [[future]]. |
− | Think about what has been said. You have your transcripts from last | + | Think about what has been said. You have your [[transcripts]] from last |
− | week with the comments made there. Continue to study your text for | + | week with the comments made there. Continue to [[study]] [[Urantia text|your text]] for |
− | these references. There is a difference. It may not seem important | + | these [[references]]. There is a [[difference]]. It may not seem important |
− | to you, to some of you, but it is important in your ability to view | + | to you, to some of you, but it is important in your [[ability]] to view |
| your fellow man and in your ability to develop the depth of | | your fellow man and in your ability to develop the depth of |
− | affection for him that the Master was asking for. | + | [[affection]] for him that [[the Master]] was asking for. |
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| ===Closing=== | | ===Closing=== |