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| [[Urantia]] has inherited many [[confused]] conceptions of God. [[Christianity]] has splintered into hundreds of [[sects]] and religion must [[progress]], religion must come to an understanding with all other religions. Let them all [[agree]] that God is love and release the God of [[vengeance]], the God of [[war]] to the past. The idea that God the Father would want or [[sanction]] his children to kill one another is repugnant in [[the universe]]. God does not will that there should be war on [[earth]]. God is also [[peace]]. [[Islam]] means peace and [[surrender]] to peace. This is something all Christians can recognize and understand. | | [[Urantia]] has inherited many [[confused]] conceptions of God. [[Christianity]] has splintered into hundreds of [[sects]] and religion must [[progress]], religion must come to an understanding with all other religions. Let them all [[agree]] that God is love and release the God of [[vengeance]], the God of [[war]] to the past. The idea that God the Father would want or [[sanction]] his children to kill one another is repugnant in [[the universe]]. God does not will that there should be war on [[earth]]. God is also [[peace]]. [[Islam]] means peace and [[surrender]] to peace. This is something all Christians can recognize and understand. |
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− | Perhaps this terrible [[tragedy]] will bring a [[recognition]] that will end wars between [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism Protestants] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism Catholics], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe#Holy_wars wars that have ravaged Europe for centuries] and still continue on a low level in various places. Let the two halves of the original church, the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe#A_divided_church Eastern and the Western], reconcile. | + | Perhaps this terrible [[tragedy]] will bring a [[recognition]] that will end wars between [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism Protestants] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism Catholics], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe#Holy_wars wars that have ravaged Europe for centuries] and still continue on a low level in various places. Let the two halves of the original church, the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe#A_divided_church Eastern and the Western], reconcile. |
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| We pray that your world will have [[wisdom]] and that your [[leadership]] will be [[enlightened]] as you move into this new century. The world will continue to have preferred religious [[practices]] and differing theological [[ideas]] throughout [[future]] time. But there can be a [[faith]] which [[transcend]]s these things, a basic recognition that all [[human being]]s are the sons and daughters of God and that each human being is [[responsible]] for the others as brothers and sisters on one world. | | We pray that your world will have [[wisdom]] and that your [[leadership]] will be [[enlightened]] as you move into this new century. The world will continue to have preferred religious [[practices]] and differing theological [[ideas]] throughout [[future]] time. But there can be a [[faith]] which [[transcend]]s these things, a basic recognition that all [[human being]]s are the sons and daughters of God and that each human being is [[responsible]] for the others as brothers and sisters on one world. |
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− | This is an [[opportunity]] to hold those high [[values]] aloft, to live by them in your lives, and to cherish each other for in this dreadful time all peoples are [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City New Yorkers], all peoples are brethren. Are there questions at this time? | + | This is an [[opportunity]] to hold those high [[values]] aloft, to live by them in your lives, and to cherish each other for in this dreadful time all peoples are [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City New Yorkers], all peoples are brethren. Are there questions at this time? |
| ===Dialogue=== | | ===Dialogue=== |
| ===='''''[[War]]''''', '''''[[World Government]]'''''==== | | ===='''''[[War]]''''', '''''[[World Government]]'''''==== |
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| Q: Are there any ways, considering the circumstances, that we could take [[advantage]] of what is happening right now in terms of presenting the book? I am just wondering if the [[Muslims]] would be more [[receptive]]. I am finding that Christians are not changing much, at least the ones I am in touch with. They are not responsive to it. | | Q: Are there any ways, considering the circumstances, that we could take [[advantage]] of what is happening right now in terms of presenting the book? I am just wondering if the [[Muslims]] would be more [[receptive]]. I am finding that Christians are not changing much, at least the ones I am in touch with. They are not responsive to it. |
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− | Ham: Well, the [[Urantia book]] may take [[root]] in some [[surprising]] places. It is making great [[progress]] among [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language Spanish speaking peoples] and is projected to make fairly good gains in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia Asia] and some parts of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa Africa]. But this will take time. | + | Ham: Well, the [[Urantia book]] may take [[root]] in some [[surprising]] places. It is making great [[progress]] among [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language Spanish speaking peoples] and is projected to make fairly good gains in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia Asia] and some parts of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa Africa]. But this will take time. |
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− | Q: I have always thought that in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China China] all those [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_religion traditional religions] have been stamped out and wondered if some day that might not be a really [[fertile]] place for the [[Urantia Book]]. | + | Q: I have always thought that in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China China] all those [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_religion traditional religions] have been stamped out and wondered if some day that might not be a really [[fertile]] place for the [[Urantia Book]]. |
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| Ham: You may very well be correct. | | Ham: You may very well be correct. |
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| Q: Ham could I have a personal message tonight and could you address any messages I might have received regarding [[Michael]]? | | Q: Ham could I have a personal message tonight and could you address any messages I might have received regarding [[Michael]]? |
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− | Ham: Of course, my son. Please be at ease concerning these things. [[The Master’s spirit]] is here in very great [[force]]. This change, this opening of [[the circuits]] and the arrival of Michael’s spirit in greater amplitude than before, has caused many people to [[predict]] [[Second Coming|his return]] and to think of his physical return as being imminent. There are some who believe his spirit inhabits there bodies, they speak for him. There are some who are [[preparing]] a place for his coming, much like the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mormonism Mormons did in the 19th century]. There are many [[strange]] [[predictions]] of his coming, times, methods, things of this nature. But the [[truth]] is, should Michael return in some form that is materially visible, he has not made such an announcement and perhaps would not. [[The Master]] has a [[Nebadon|vast universe]] to care for. His spirit is with each of those children on his many worlds. He loves all his children and wishes for them to [[recognize]] him. But, these [[conversions]] must come not from [[miracles]], not from overwhelming [[awe]], but from the [[gradual]] acknowledgment of his spirit. It is my understanding, which is not always completely correct, that [[the Master]] will rule [[this planet]] not from a [[throne]] of gold in [[Jerusalem]], but rather he will rule in the spirit as he rules many others in the spirit. | + | Ham: Of course, my son. Please be at ease concerning these things. [[The Master’s spirit]] is here in very great [[force]]. This change, this opening of [[the circuits]] and the arrival of Michael’s spirit in greater amplitude than before, has caused many people to [[predict]] [[Second Coming|his return]] and to think of his physical return as being imminent. There are some who believe his spirit inhabits there bodies, they speak for him. There are some who are [[preparing]] a place for his coming, much like the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mormonism Mormons did in the 19th century]. There are many [[strange]] [[predictions]] of his coming, times, methods, things of this nature. But the [[truth]] is, should Michael return in some form that is materially visible, he has not made such an announcement and perhaps would not. [[The Master]] has a [[Nebadon|vast universe]] to care for. His spirit is with each of those children on his many worlds. He loves all his children and wishes for them to [[recognize]] him. But, these [[conversions]] must come not from [[miracles]], not from overwhelming [[awe]], but from the [[gradual]] acknowledgment of his spirit. It is my understanding, which is not always completely correct, that [[the Master]] will rule [[this planet]] not from a [[throne]] of gold in [[Jerusalem]], but rather he will rule in the spirit as he rules many others in the spirit. |
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| Q: Ham, Jeff W. wanted me to ask for a message for him. | | Q: Ham, Jeff W. wanted me to ask for a message for him. |
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| Q: Yes, I am sure it is. | | Q: Yes, I am sure it is. |
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− | Q: Ham, [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2001-09-16-The_911_Attacks#911.2C_United_States Your words] for the [[United States]] were really comforting and [[healing]], but I would like to comment on your words about this "[[divine]] [[destiny]]" task of the United States for the world. I have been in [[America]] twice and I noticed that a lot of people think that their nation really rules the world. Of course the United States are strong [[economically]], and they have so much influence on [[military]] and [[political]] issues around the world, but I think it is exaggerated to say they should be the example for the rest of the world. | + | Q: Ham, [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2001-09-16-The_911_Attacks#911.2C_United_States Your words] for the [[United States]] were really comforting and [[healing]], but I would like to comment on your words about this "[[divine]] [[destiny]]" task of the United States for the world. I have been in [[America]] twice and I noticed that a lot of people think that their nation really rules the world. Of course the United States are strong [[economically]], and they have so much influence on [[military]] and [[political]] issues around the world, but I think it is exaggerated to say they should be the example for the rest of the world. |
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| During my [[visits]] I met the most wonderful and [[spiritual]] people, but I really had to shake my head about some of their [[ideas]] of being in 'The Land of the Free'. I think a lot of people in [[America]] who think themselves being free, are quite restricted, especially about the [[beautiful]] human [[body]], the sacred [[temple]] that God has given us to walk the earth...But also things in daily life [[shocked]] me: it seems to me that everything must be big, fast, more, bigger, faster, in the United States, as if the outside is more important than the inside. | | During my [[visits]] I met the most wonderful and [[spiritual]] people, but I really had to shake my head about some of their [[ideas]] of being in 'The Land of the Free'. I think a lot of people in [[America]] who think themselves being free, are quite restricted, especially about the [[beautiful]] human [[body]], the sacred [[temple]] that God has given us to walk the earth...But also things in daily life [[shocked]] me: it seems to me that everything must be big, fast, more, bigger, faster, in the United States, as if the outside is more important than the inside. |
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| I know there are people living in a very nice car to have [[status]], but do not have a house because they're [[poor]]! | | I know there are people living in a very nice car to have [[status]], but do not have a house because they're [[poor]]! |
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− | There is no good [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_security social security] system, health insurance, etc. I these cases I really don't want the United States to be the example for the rest of the world!!! | + | There is no good [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_security social security] system, health insurance, etc. I these cases I really don't want the United States to be the example for the rest of the world!!! |
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| It would be more reliable to me if they show [[vulnerability]] instead of pretending they are more [[powerful]] than the rest of the world! | | It would be more reliable to me if they show [[vulnerability]] instead of pretending they are more [[powerful]] than the rest of the world! |
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| Don't get me wrong, I love [[America]] and I pray for all the people of the United States, but I think they should also [[observe]] the [[good]] things that are going on in the rest of the world and learn from that as well. | | Don't get me wrong, I love [[America]] and I pray for all the people of the United States, but I think they should also [[observe]] the [[good]] things that are going on in the rest of the world and learn from that as well. |
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− | Ham: Yes, my daughter, you are certainly correct that many people have mistaken [[ideals]] and [[ideas]] in the United States as well as the rest of the world. But also, there is an [[inherently]] mistaken assumption passed down from the revolutionary era through [[socialism]] to the [[modern]] age and that is that the powerless are morally superior to the powerful. This was an [[inversion]] of an earlier assumption from the age of [[monarchy]] in which the powerful [[aristocratic]] classes were thought to be [[morally]] superior to the rest of [[society]]. America was founded on the assumption that all men are pretty much equal morally, and that [[power]] corrupts these morals, especially the threat of the loss of power. Thus, American government is divided with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers#Checks_and_balances separation of powers and certain checks and balances]. America is an example of how individual potentially antagonistic states can federate and be peaceful. America is an example of how [[minority]] rights can be protected under [[majority]] rule. Of course, there are many things imperfect about American and Americans. But, these [[principles]] which bind the American States together are sound. [[71:8|The administration of the universe is divided into judicial, a kind of legislative and executive powers]]. This separation and the further [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_and_state separation of church and state] which enables all the [[religions]] of the world to live in peace in this country, is truly exemplary and commendable. The nation states of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe Europe] have much to offer American and the world. It was in a [[political]] sense, that I was speaking, not in a [[moral]] or a sense that [[individuals]] are superior anywhere in the world. | + | Ham: Yes, my daughter, you are certainly correct that many people have mistaken [[ideals]] and [[ideas]] in the United States as well as the rest of the world. But also, there is an [[inherently]] mistaken assumption passed down from the revolutionary era through [[socialism]] to the [[modern]] age and that is that the powerless are morally superior to the powerful. This was an [[inversion]] of an earlier assumption from the age of [[monarchy]] in which the powerful [[aristocratic]] classes were thought to be [[morally]] superior to the rest of [[society]]. America was founded on the assumption that all men are pretty much equal morally, and that [[power]] corrupts these morals, especially the threat of the loss of power. Thus, American government is divided with [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers#Checks_and_balances separation of powers and certain checks and balances]. America is an example of how individual potentially antagonistic states can federate and be peaceful. America is an example of how [[minority]] rights can be protected under [[majority]] rule. Of course, there are many things imperfect about American and Americans. But, these [[principles]] which bind the American States together are sound. [[71:8|The administration of the universe is divided into judicial, a kind of legislative and executive powers]]. This separation and the further [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_and_state separation of church and state] which enables all the [[religions]] of the world to live in peace in this country, is truly exemplary and commendable. The nation states of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe Europe] have much to offer American and the world. It was in a [[political]] sense, that I was speaking, not in a [[moral]] or a sense that [[individuals]] are superior anywhere in the world. |
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| Q: Is it possible for me to get a personal message? | | Q: Is it possible for me to get a personal message? |