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You spend rather considerable [[time space]] considering the not so perfection [[physical]]. I suggest you spend some considerable time space considering the [[perfection]] of [[self]]. And draw on this perfection of self, of [[God]]. Replace your [[negative]] [[thoughts]] of the [[physical]] with the [[positive]] thoughts of your [[soul]] perfection. You are understanding? You are not [[understanding]]?
You spend rather considerable [[time space]] considering the not so perfection [[physical]]. I suggest you spend some considerable time space considering the [[perfection]] of [[self]]. And draw on this perfection of self, of [[God]]. Replace your [[negative]] [[thoughts]] of the [[physical]] with the [[positive]] thoughts of your [[soul]] perfection. You are understanding? You are not [[understanding]]?
Tm I think we should be looking for the [[good]] [[parts]] of us, the good things we do, the good [[things]] we [[think]] & [[feel]].
Teacher: Correct.
Teacher: Correct.
To give you a more harmonious manner of thinking of your self, yes? Who does not understand?
To give you a more [[harmonious]] [[manner]] of thinking of your [[self]], yes? Who does not [[understand]]?
Fp.I think you've, I think a lot of people got the impression that you were going to, to tell us how to do that, instead of it being a question.
Fp. I think you've, I think a lot of people got the [[impression]] that you were going to, to tell us how to do that, instead of it being a question.
Teacher: I have given you how to do this.
Teacher: I have given you how to do this.
Ch.Just told you.
Ch.Just told you.
Teacher: You did not listen.
Teacher: You did not [[listen]].
Fp.Yes I listened but you, the way you said be of more, harmonious. I think a lot of people thought you were going to continue and tell them how to do it.
Fp.Yes I listened but you, the way you said be of more, [[harmonious]]. I think a lot of people thought you were going to continue and tell them how to do it.
Tm.Sort of re-phrase what I had said?
Tm. Sort of re-[[phrase]] what I had said?
Ch You are not [[listening]] to your own [[words]] Tony, you said it,..
Teacher: Repeat your words Tommas.
Teacher: [[Repeat]] your words Tommas.
Tm That we should be [[concentrating]] on the [[good]] parts of us, good [[thoughts]] and good [[feelings]] that we have about things.
Teacher: And of self.
Teacher: And of [[self]].
"And of self.
"And of [[self]].
Teacher: Correct. If you are uncertain, if there is not clarity, discuss if you please.
Teacher: Correct. If you are [[uncertain]], if there is not [[clarity]], [[discuss]] if you please.
Sl Well I wrote down be in [[harmony]] with self, and then I wrote down, [[good]] [[points]].
Teacher: You see, Selina for example, grabs with eagerness any indication she sees, hears, feels that is not good of her self, yes
Teacher: You see, Selina for example, grabs with [[eagerness]] any indication she sees, hears, feels that is not good of her [[self]], yes
Yes.
Yes.
Teacher: Then I say, replace this, and grab any thought, feeling, you see, hear or feel which is good, of your self, yes
Teacher: Then I say, replace this, and grab any [[thought]], [[feeling]], you see, hear or feel which is good, of your [[self]], yes
"Yes, good points, that's what I wrote down.
"Yes, good points, that's what I wrote down.
Teacher: You are trapped in your manner of seeing, hearing, feeling the negative of your self, yes.
Teacher: You are trapped in your [[manner]] of [[seeing]], hearing, feeling the [[negative]] of your [[self]], yes.
"Yes, it's a hurdle I haven’t got over yet.
"Yes, it's a hurdle I haven’t got over yet.
Teacher: Then practise the opposite. Only then will you achieve harmony and balance. You are understanding?
Teacher: Then [[practice]] the [[opposite]]. Only then will you [[achieve]] harmony and [[balance]]. You are [[understanding]]?
All.Yes.
All.Yes.
Br.I thing a lot of us have been brought up, that we mustn’t think well of ourselves because
Br.I thing a lot of us have been brought up, that we mustn’t [[think]] well of ourselves because
Teacher: I am aware it is a human kind...yes, but you see, we have speaked of failures, weaknesses, I wish you to begin thinking of success, and of strength to balance the years you have failed and weakened, you are understanding?
Teacher: I am [[aware]] it is a [[human]] kind...yes, but you see, we have speaked of [[failures]], [[weaknesses]], I [[wish]] you to begin [[thinking]] of [[success]], and of [[strength]] to [[balance]] the years you have failed and weakened, you are understanding?
All yes.
Tm.Maybe we should be thinking more that, for instance "I AM" Tommas, rather than I am Tony.
Tm. Maybe we should be thinking more that, for instance "[[I AM]]" Tommas, rather than I am Tony.
Teacher: Ahhhh: and what is the meaning of this phrase, Tommas
Teacher: Ahhhh: and what is the [[meaning]] of this [[phrase]], Tommas
"That I am Tommas, that is me, my soul, and accepts that Tony is the physical that I am, but I am Tommas.
"That I am Tommas, that is me, my [[soul]], and [[accepts]] that Tony is the [[physical]] that I am, but I am Tommas.
Teacher: And Tommas is soul, is God, yes.
Teacher: And Tommas is [[soul]], is [[God]], yes.
"Yes, which is perfection.
"Yes, which is [[perfection]].
Teacher: Correct. So, Tommas you will greet me in this manner, you see you have all introduced your selves "I AM" Selina, "I AM;" Filip etc., without full realisation and understanding of the importance of the words you utter. Tommas has understood. This manner of thought shall do much. Do not all begin to introduce your self in the "I AM" until I give you permission so to do. When I give permission, you may be assured of your understanding. Yes, you are clear on this? If any of you wish to seek permission for this, you may do so.
Teacher: Correct. So, Tommas you will greet me in this [[manner]], you see you have all introduced your selves "[[I AM]]" Selina, "I AM;" Filip etc., without full [[realisation]] and [[understanding]] of the importance of the [[words]] you utter. Tommas has understood. This manner of thought shall do much. Do not all begin to introduce your [[self]] in the "[[I AM"]] until I give you [[permission]] so to do. When I give permission, you may be [[assured]] of your [[understanding]]. Yes, you are clear on this? If any of you [[wish]] to seek [[permission]] for this, you may do so.
Md.Does that mean that when we address you Abraham, I say "This is Mondaa"?
Md.Does that mean that when we address you Abraham, I say "This is Mondaa"?
Teacher: Correct, until?
Teacher: Correct, until?
Permission is given.
[[Permission]] is given.
Teacher: Until you ask.
Teacher: Until you ask.
"Then may I address myself as "I AM MONDAA"?
"Then may I address myself as "I AM MONDAA"?
Teacher: Give me your understanding.
Teacher: Give me your [[understanding]].
"I understand that my soul is Mondaa, in the body of Eddie, seeking understanding.
"I understand that my [[soul]] is Mondaa, in the [[body]] of Eddie, seeking understanding.
Teacher: Then, you may introduce your self.
Teacher: Then, you may introduce your [[self]].
"I am Mondaa.
"I am Mondaa.
Teacher: Welcome.
Teacher: [[Welcome]].
Thank: you Abraham.
Thank: you Abraham.
Fp.I also would like to introduce myself as I am Filip.
Fp.I also would like to introduce myself as I am Filip.
Teacher: I have waited, and you are understanding?
Teacher: I have waited, and you are [[understanding]]?
"Yes I think so. I understood during this week when I read that Benjamin said, I . AM Benjamin.
"Yes I [[think]] so. I understood during this week when I [[read]] that Benjamin said, I . AM Benjamin.
Teacher: Yes. He was stubborn, yes, but understanding is mine. Then you may introduce your self.
Teacher: Yes. He was [[stubborn]], yes, but understanding is mine. Then you may introduce your self.
"I am Filip
"I am Filip
With your introduction of your selves, know it, feel it, understand.
With your introduction of your selves, know it, feel it, understand.
Br.May I introduce my self as I am?
Br.May I introduce my self as [[I am]]?
Teacher: Give me your understanding.
Teacher: Give me your understanding.
Teacher: which is?
Teacher: which is?
" Perfection, God.
" [[Perfection]], [[God]].
Teacher: Then, you may introduce your self.
Teacher: Then, you may introduce your [[self]].
"Thank you. I am Bryoni
"Thank you. I am Bryoni
Teacher: Welcome.
Teacher: [[Welcome]].
MlMay I introduce myself as I am Melda?
MlMay I introduce myself as I am Melda?
Teacher: Give me your understanding.
Teacher: Give me your understanding.
Melda is my true self, within a physical body of Joy
Melda is my true [[self]], within a [[physical]] [[body]] of [[Joy]]
Teacher: Which is?
Teacher: Which is?
"perfection.
"[[perfection]].
Teacher: Which is?
Teacher: Which is?
"God.
"[[God]].
Teacher: Then you may introduce your self
Teacher: Then you may introduce your self
"Thank you Abraham. I am Melda
"Thank you Abraham. I am Melda
`Welcome
`[[Welcome]]
Sl.May I introduce my self?
Sl.May I introduce my self?
Teacher: Give me your understanding
Teacher: Give me your [[understanding]]
"I am Selina in Wilma's body, Selina from soul consciousness that always was and always will be, and that part of me is God.
"I am Selina in Wilma's body, Selina from [[soul]] [[consciousness]] that always was and always will be, and that part of me is [[God]].
Know it, feel it, understand, then you may introduce your self.
[[Know]] it, [[feel]] it, [[understand]], then you may introduce your self.
"Thank you Abraham. I am Selina Welcome
"Thank you Abraham. I am Selina Welcome
Give me your understanding.
Give me your understanding.
"That Clara is my soul consciousness, of perfection, and of God..
"That Clara is my [[soul]] [[consciousness]], of [[perfection]], and of [[God]]..
Teacher: Then, you may introduce your self.
Teacher: Then, you may introduce your [[self]].
"I am Clara.
"I am Clara.
Teacher: Welcome.
Teacher: Welcome.
Petta This is Petta here, may I introduce my self as I am Petta?
Teacher: Give me your understanding
Teacher: Give me your [[understanding]]
"Petta is the soul part of the physical Kit and the soul part of me is perfection, God
"Petta is the [[soul]] [[part]] of the [[physical]] Kit and the [[soul]] part of me is [[perfection]], [[God]]
Teacher: Then you may introduce your self.
Teacher: Then you may introduce your self.
Dm.May I introduce myself as I am?
Dm.May I introduce myself as I am?
Teacher: Give me your understanding.
Teacher: Give me your [[understanding]].
"I understand that as Dawn I am limited and as Dominica there are no boundaries and that the form Dawn is just a convenience, a body, so that the soul consciousness of Dominica, can learn the lessons.
"I [[understand]] that as Dawn I am limited and as Dominica there are no [[boundaries]] and that the form Dawn is just a [[convenience]], a [[body]], so that the [[soul]] [[consciousness]] of Dominica, can learn the lessons.
Teacher: Which is?
Teacher: Which is?
"Of God, which is perfection.
"Of [[God]], which is [[perfection]].
Teacher: Then you may introduce your self.
Teacher: Then you may introduce your [[self]].
I am Dominica
I am Dominica
"Thank you Abraham
"Thank you Abraham
Kr.Can I address you as I am, I'd be proud to do that?
Kr.Can I address you as I am, I'd be [[proud]] to do that?
Teacher: Give me your understanding.
Teacher: Give me your [[understanding]].
"That Korde is the soul of Maureen and that I am striving for perfection in God.
"That Korde is the [[soul]] of Maureen and that I am striving for [[perfection]] in [[God]].
Teacher: Then you may introduce your self.
Teacher: Then you may introduce your [[self]].
"I am Korde.
"I am Korde.
Teacher: Welcome.
Teacher: [[Welcome]].
Then, a major step on your path you have undertaken. I have said feel, I am, know, I am, understand, I am.
Then, a major step on your [[path]] you have undertaken. I have said feel, I am, know, I am, [[understand]], I am.
You see, you are beginning to comprehend the manner of your teachings. I have said before times, ask & you shall receive. When you receive you are giving, when you are giving you are receiving.
You see, you are beginning to [[comprehend]] the [[manner]] of your teachings. I have said before times, ask & you shall [[receive]]. When you receive you are giving, when you are giving you are receiving.
Use the knowledge you have gained at this appointment of the "I AM" and the importance of the "I AM" to balance your self, Do not waft on a cloud of soul knowledge and forget your physical vehicle, for without the care maintenance of your physical body you would not be achieving your lessons, Take care of your body, of your mind, of your heart for your souls sake. Exercise your body, your mind, your heart. Feed your body, your mind, your heart, water your body, your mind, your heart. Breathe fresh air for your body, your mind and your heart for the sake of your soul, yes
Use the [[knowledge]] you have gained at this [[appointment]] of the "[[I AM]]" and the importance of the "I AM" to [[balance]] your self, Do not waft on a [[cloud]] of [[soul]] [[knowledge]] and [[forget]] your [[physical]] vehicle, for without the [[care]] [[maintenance]] of your [[physical]] [[body]] you would not be achieving your lessons, Take care of your [[body]], of your [[mind]], of your [[heart]] for your souls sake. [[Exercise]] your body, your mind, your heart. Feed your [[body]], your [[mind]], your [[heart]], water your body, your mind, your heart. [[Breathe]] fresh air for your body, your mind and your heart for the sake of your [[soul]], yes
You wish to comment?
You wish to comment?
Ch - Abraham, I would perhaps after the lesson, like to read one paragraph from the "URANTlA" book, concerning the "I AM"
Ch - Abraham, I would perhaps after the lesson, like to read one [[paragraph]] from [[Urantia Text|the "URANTlA" book]], concerning the "[[I AM"]]
Teacher: You may do this, now if you wish Charlemont.
Teacher: You may do this, now if you wish Charlemont.
Thank you.
Thank you.
The concept of the "I AM", is a philosophic concession which we make to the time bound, space fettered, finite mind of man, to the impossibility of creature comprehension of eternity existences, non-beginnings, non-ending realities and relationships To the time, space creature, all things must have a beginning, save only the "ONE CAUSED" the primeval cause of causes. Therefore do we conceptualize this philosophic value level as the "I AM" at the same time instructing all creatures that the eternal son and the infinite spirit are co-eternal with the "I AM"; in other words, that there never was a time when the "l AM", was not the "I AM "of the "FATHER" of the "SON", and with him, of the SPlRIT.
<blockquote>The [[concept]] of the "[[I AM]]", is a philosophic [[concession]] which we make to the [[time]] bound, [[space]] fettered, [[finite]] [[mind]] of man, to the impossibility of [[creature]] [[comprehension]] of [[eternity]] [[existences]], non-beginnings, non-ending realities and [[relationships]] To the time, space creature, all things must have a beginning, save only the "ONE CAUSED" the primeval [[cause]] of causes. Therefore do we conceptualize this philosophic [[value]] level as the "I AM" at the same time instructing all creatures that the [[Eternal Son]] and the [[Infinite Spirit]] are co-eternal with the "I AM"; in other [[words]], that there never was a time when the "l AM", was not the "I AM "of the "FATHER" of the "SON", and with him, of the SPlRIT.[http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=0:3_The_First_Source_and_Center]</blockquote>
Teacher: Yes. So you see, you have received the lesson of the finite mind, your physical self and of the infinite mind of God, of which your soul is part. No beginning, no end. Your physical body, mind, is used to beginnings and endings. Beginning of your dawn, ending with sunset, it is not such. This is of importance for you to digest, to remember and. do not take to your self with castigation if you should forget your self. You see, because of finite mind limitation, it is of a natural, human kind event to stumble, to fall, to crawl, to slip back, do not let this concern you. If this occurs, accept it as a natural event, if you give it too much emphasis of thought, feeling, you shall heed your progress, when you fall you are always lifted up. When you stumble, you are always sure footed, when you slip back, you always move forward. Never forgetting there is always the other side of the coin.
Teacher: Yes. So you see, you have [[received]] the lesson of the [[finite]] mind, your [[physical]] [[self]] and of the [[infinite]] mind of [[God]], of which your [[soul]] is part. No beginning, no end. Your [[physical]] [[body]], [[mind]], is used to beginnings and endings. Beginning of your dawn, ending with sunset, it is not such. This is of importance for you to digest, to remember and. do not take to your self with [[castigation]] if you should [[forget]] your [[self]]. You see, because of finite mind [[limitation]], it is of a [[natural]], human kind event to stumble, to fall, to crawl, to slip back, do not let this concern you. If this occurs, accept it as a [[natural]] [[event]], if you give it too much [[emphasis]] of [[thought]], feeling, you shall heed your [[progress]], when you fall you are always lifted up. When you stumble, you are always sure footed, when you slip back, you always move forward. Never forgetting there is always the other side of the coin.
Then, if you have comment, make them and then I shall leave you to digest.
Then, if you have comment, make them and then I shall leave you to digest.
Tm.- Those words are a comfort to me because there has been a few instances this week, of people doing cruel deeds to animals, to each other, and I've suggested some rather nasty things that should be done back to them, and then I've thought, I shouldn’t do that, and I haven’t worried about it, but the thought has cropped up and I've immediately checked it and pushed it to one side.
Tm.- Those [[words]] are a [[comfort]] to me because there has been a few instances this week, of people doing [[cruel]] deeds to [[animals]], to each other, and I've suggested some rather nasty things that should be done back to them, and then I've [[thought]], I shouldn’t do that, and I haven’t [[worried]] about it, but the [[thought]] has cropped up and I've [[immediately]] checked it and pushed it to one side.
Teacher: If you can, when you have these disturbing thoughts and feelings, concerning violent actions by others, look for some portion on which you may bestow compassion to these persons and it shall relieve the distress of anger which you experience, which leads to a feeling of consternation and failure, yes?
Teacher: If you can, when you have these disturbing [[thoughts]] and [[feelings]], concerning [[violent]] [[actions]] by others, look for some portion on which you may bestow [[compassion]] to these [[persons]] and it shall relieve the distress of [[anger]] which you [[experience]], which leads to a feeling of consternation and [[failure]], yes?
TmI normally think, initially of the victim.
TmI normally [[think]], initially of the [[victim]].
Teacher: Correct. Look to the offending person, see if you may bestow some portion of compassion on them also.
Teacher: Correct. Look to the offending [[person]], see if you may bestow some portion of [[compassion]] on them also.
"I have tried to mention them in prayers, but I must admit I don’t find it easy, or of ease.
"I have tried to mention them in [[prayers]], but I must admit I don’t find it easy, or of ease.
Teacher: You are not used to this, do not concern. Every effort you make is noted.
Teacher: You are not used to this, do not concern. Every [[effort]] you make is noted.
"IThank you.
"IThank you.
Teacher: And to change a mode of thinking and behaving is not easy done. For you it shall take time also, yes: Be kind also to your self in your thoughts. And I say this to one, I say this to all.
Teacher: And to [[change]] a [[mode]] of [[thinking]] and behaving is not easy done. For you it shall take time also, yes: Be [[kind]] also to your [[self]] in your [[thoughts]]. And I say this to one, I say this to all.
There are more comments?
There are more comments?
Ch.I would like to say Abraham, something you said to us a year ago, might shine slightly brighter this evening, you said, I am Abraham, I am your teacher, I am higher consciousness.
Ch.I would like to say Abraham, something you said to us a year ago, might shine slightly brighter this evening, you said, I am Abraham, I am your [[teacher]], I am [[higher consciousness]].
Teacher: Correct.
Teacher: Correct.
Perhaps those words at the end of this lesson might be easier for everybody.
Perhaps those [[words]] at the end of this lesson might be easier for everybody.
Teacher: Yes. You Martinus, Charlemont, understand my restrictions on your comment earlier
Teacher: Yes. You Martinus, Charlemont, understand my restrictions on your comment earlier
Both Yes.
Teacher: I have your pardon?
Teacher: I have your [[pardon]]?
Certainly.
Certainly.
Teacher: As you have mine. Then,
Teacher: As you have mine. Then,
Fp.May I make a query
Fp. May I make a [[query]]
Teacher: You may
Teacher: You may
"Thank you, I've been talking to some people of a certain religion, the Mormons and I’d like to know what the truth there is in the story of Joseph Smith and the information he was given.
"Thank you, I've been talking to some people of a certain [[religion]], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism Mormons] and I’d like to know what the [[truth]] there is in the [[story]] of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith Joseph Smith] and the [[information]] he was given.
Teacher: With all religious teaching, there is an element of truth. Some truths meander and are lost or confused, but truth is there none the less One is not higher or lower, better or worse than the other. You are understanding?
Teacher: With all [[religious]] teaching, there is an [[element]] of [[truth]]. Some [[truths]] meander and are lost or [[confused]], but [[truth]] is there none the less One is not higher or lower, better or worse than the other. You are [[understanding]]?
You mean one religion?
You mean one religion?
Teacher: Correct, one path for some is correct and other path for others is also correct and there are many, many such paths for many, many persons, yes
Teacher: Correct, one [[path]] for some is correct and other path for others is also correct and there are many, many such paths for many, many persons, yes
Yes, this is what I said to them, that they have of their path and I've got my path.
Yes, this is what I said to them, that they have of their path and I've got my path.
Teacher: And where do these paths lead?
Teacher: And where do these paths lead?
"To God.
"To [[God]].
Teacher: Correct.
Teacher: Correct.
"it's just that the Joseph Smith episode was comparatively modern in our time space it's not lost as the bible, you know, way back, I just wondered how accurate it was.
"it's just that the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith Joseph Smith] episode was [[comparatively]] [[modern]] in our [[time space]] it's not lost as the [[bible]], you know, way back, I just [[wondered]] how accurate it was.
Teacher: Yes, as I have said, some truths become confused. End of comment.
Teacher: Yes, as I have said, some [[truths]] become [[confused]]. End of comment.
"I expected you to say that. Thank you Abraham.
"I [[expected]] you to say that. Thank you Abraham.
Dm.I'd like to say that for the first time with the same story where Dad got angry at the offenders who hurt the victim, my immediate reactions were to feel sorry for them, the victim, and in the same instant, I felt sorry for the offender as well. That was the first time, and yet it felt so natural, and I didn’t feel any anger, and I didn’t feel anger for anything that has ever been done before.
Dm.I'd like to say that for the first time with the same [[story]] where Dad got [[angry]] at the offenders who hurt the [[victim]], my [[immediate]] [[reactions]] were to feel sorry for them, the [[victim]], and in the same instant, I felt sorry for the offender as well. That was the first time, and yet it felt so [[natural]], and I didn’t feel any [[anger]], and I didn’t feel anger for anything that has ever been done before.
Teacher: Yes, and Jesus said "Who among you shall cast the first stone", yes. Consider this when you are tempted to sit in judgement.
Teacher: Yes, and [[Jesus]] said "Who among you shall cast the first stone", yes. [[Consider]] this when you are [[tempted]] to sit in [[judgement]].
SlI wrote down while you were talking, what Jesus said about "God forgive them, for they know not what they do".
SlI wrote down while you were [[talking]], what [[Jesus]] said about "[[God]] forgive them, for they know not what they do".
Yes.
Yes.
Then, hear this, know it, feel it, and understand.
Then, hear this, know it, feel it, and [[understand]].
===Closing===
===Closing===
