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===Opening===

===='''''[[Teacher Contact]]'''''====

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RAYSON: Good evening, children; this is [[Rayson]]. Your [[teacher]] will be here momentarily. He is on assignment in [~~http~~://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina Argentina]. There is much happening in [[preparation]] for the [[events]] that will be forthcoming in the next few months. I will let [[Welmek]] decide whether or not he will [[share]] with you some of what he has been up to. ([[laughter]]) I wish to make a comment to the [[group]] as to your [[understanding]] of [[contact]] with us. There has been much [[confusion]]. There has been many [[inquiries]] amongst yourselves as to what is [[real]], what is not and what is [[expected]], [[anticipated]].

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RAYSON: Good evening, children; this is [[Rayson]]. Your [[teacher]] will be here momentarily. He is on assignment in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina Argentina]. There is much happening in [[preparation]] for the [[events]] that will be forthcoming in the next few months. I will let [[Welmek]] decide whether or not he will [[share]] with you some of what he has been up to. ([[laughter]]) I wish to make a comment to the [[group]] as to your [[understanding]] of [[contact]] with us. There has been much [[confusion]]. There has been many [[inquiries]] amongst yourselves as to what is [[real]], what is not and what is [[expected]], [[anticipated]].

===Lesson===

First, it should be known that if you are willing, we [[desire]] to make [[contact]] at some point in time. It is not [[necessary]] that all of you do what David and Michael do. However, it is important that we are able to make this contact if possible. Some of you have asked the [[question]] "Why have I not [[received]] [[communication]] thus far?"

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Q: Not necessarily, but succeeding is....the [[problem]]. W: So let's take a few examples and [[discuss]] them. Who [[wishes]] to begin?

===='''''[[Tradition]]''''', '''''[[Growth]]'''''====

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Q: I'll go first [[Welmek]]. Since I was going to ask you this in a [[private]] session, I might as well do it now. Maybe it'll help everybody. Peter and I were discussing, you know we're both [~~http~~://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism Mormons], and a week ago Sunday I went into Cheryl's [[problems]] at [[church]]. That caused real [[difficulties]] for me because we both [[feel]] like we're leading double lives. We come here because we get [[spiritual]] [[growth]] and spiritual [[food]], but yet there's this hanging on to the [~~http~~://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism Mormon Church] because of all the [[time]], [[energy]] and [[effort]] and the years that I've put into it. And so I kind of [[feel]] this double image. I know from what was said in Salt Lake when we were out there, or Orem rather, that if the [[church]] ever finds that I'm coming here, they have already [[banned]] the [[Urantia Book]]; and if they find that I'm [[talking]] with you, they will [[literally]] [[excommunicate]] both of us, just because I [[believe]] in something they don't. I don't know how to get over that one, around it, under it, over it. I know there's a [[choice]] there, but how do you make that [[choice]]? I'm comfortable here, I'm comfortable with the people, I'm comfortable with you; but there's still...I mean I've got l8 years in that [[church]]. They're already asking me, it's already been hinted that they want me to become Relief Society President. That's a big [[responsibility]] in itself. If I could take it and run with this and (?) I'd be okay with it; but how do I lead the double life and still [[grow]] at the same time?

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Q: I'll go first [[Welmek]]. Since I was going to ask you this in a [[private]] session, I might as well do it now. Maybe it'll help everybody. Peter and I were discussing, you know we're both [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism Mormons], and a week ago Sunday I went into Cheryl's [[problems]] at [[church]]. That caused real [[difficulties]] for me because we both [[feel]] like we're leading double lives. We come here because we get [[spiritual]] [[growth]] and spiritual [[food]], but yet there's this hanging on to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism Mormon Church] because of all the [[time]], [[energy]] and [[effort]] and the years that I've put into it. And so I kind of [[feel]] this double image. I know from what was said in Salt Lake when we were out there, or Orem rather, that if the [[church]] ever finds that I'm coming here, they have already [[banned]] the [[Urantia Book]]; and if they find that I'm [[talking]] with you, they will [[literally]] [[excommunicate]] both of us, just because I [[believe]] in something they don't. I don't know how to get over that one, around it, under it, over it. I know there's a [[choice]] there, but how do you make that [[choice]]? I'm comfortable here, I'm comfortable with the people, I'm comfortable with you; but there's still...I mean I've got l8 years in that [[church]]. They're already asking me, it's already been hinted that they want me to become Relief Society President. That's a big [[responsibility]] in itself. If I could take it and run with this and (?) I'd be okay with it; but how do I lead the double life and still [[grow]] at the same time?

A: What is the [[church]] to you?

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A: I would be with you, in a sense. Therefore, I would not miss you. I have told several of you that I will [[work]] with you on [[future]] assignments on other worlds; and I know in my [[heart]] as well as my [[mind]] that we will always be [[brothers and sisters]]. That really is not a fair question to ask because I have a much broader [[perspective]] than you do. Therefore, it is easier for me not to miss you the way you might miss me.

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Q: But then you [[understand]] what I'm saying is that if you left, I would miss you and that I would still cling to the [[memories]]. And so I have a lot of [[friends]] all over, from [~~http~~://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City,_UT Salt Lake] to [~~http~~://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia Virginia], that are in the [[church]]. And if I leave the church, I'm [[afraid]] a couple of them are going to [[literally]] fall away. There are too many people hanging on to me.

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Q: But then you [[understand]] what I'm saying is that if you left, I would miss you and that I would still cling to the [[memories]]. And so I have a lot of [[friends]] all over, from [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City,_UT Salt Lake] to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia Virginia], that are in the [[church]]. And if I leave the church, I'm [[afraid]] a couple of them are going to [[literally]] fall away. There are too many people hanging on to me.

A: Can you [[control]] this?

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Q: [[Effective]] [[prayer]] is the only thing I can [[think]] of.

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A: And there is your answer. Always be open. Live your life by [[example]]. Try to do the best that you can. It is not your fault, it is not your inadequacy if they do not [[understand]] you. Do your best to try and [[maintain]] [[communication]] and so that through you they may [[understand]] [[the Father]] more [[clearly]]. But if they cannot, then do not [[worry]] about this. They have the [[spirit fragment]] also. They will in [[time]] either on this [[planet]] or on the [[mansion worlds]], come to the [[understanding]] that you do now. You see it is, that is the [[universe]], is filled with [[love]]. It is [[dominated]] by [[fairness]], by [[understanding]], by[[ truth, beauty and goodness]]. [[All things]] will work toward [[good]]. You may not see it in your lifetime completely, but these things will happen. As you grown in your [[understanding]] of [[the Father]]'s [[love]], you'll begin to see there is no need to [[worry]]. There is no need to feel the loss. You have lost nothing. It is all a part of each other.

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A: And there is your answer. Always be open. Live your life by [[example]]. Try to do the best that you can. It is not your fault, it is not your inadequacy if they do not [[understand]] you. Do your best to try and [[maintain]] [[communication]] and so that through you they may [[understand]] [[the Father]] more [[clearly]]. But if they cannot, then do not [[worry]] about this. They have the [[spirit fragment]] also. They will in [[time]] either on this [[planet]] or on the [[mansion worlds]], come to the [[understanding]] that you do now. You see it is, that is the [[universe]], is filled with [[love]]. It is [[dominated]] by [[fairness]], by [[understanding]], by[[ truth, beauty, and goodness]]. [[All things]] will work toward [[good]]. You may not see it in your lifetime completely, but these things will happen. As you grown in your [[understanding]] of [[the Father]]'s [[love]], you'll begin to see there is no need to [[worry]]. There is no need to feel the loss. You have lost nothing. It is all a part of each other.

Q: That makes it a lot easier.

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===='''''[[Home]]''''', '''''[[Control]]'''''====

Q: Welmek, is there some [[guidance]] you can give us in obtaining the [[cooperation]] of [[family]] members around the house to help with some of the [[necessary]] tasks to maintain the household? ([[laughter]])

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Set the example by the life that you [[lead]]. If they do not [[understand]] it, you must ask yourself "How much [[control]] do I have?" If it is a very young child, you have more [[control]]. The older the [[individual]] becomes, on your [[planet]], the less control you seem to have.

===='''''[[Habit]]''''', '''''[[Parenting]]'''''====

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Q: Welmek, along those lines, where [[children]] are concerned, that's where I'm having a [[problem]] with my two boys. It's a matter of [[control]]; but I [[think]] really it's also with me, a matter of [[knowing]] how much, actually [[understanding]] how much control I have, especially with my older child. He's 15 and he's immature for his age. He doesn't like to make [[decisions]]. Without going into a big long [[story]], it's hard for me not to rant and rave. I'm a ranter and a raver. It's funny that you said that because even this evening, I noticed that I rant and rave the most when I'm concerned about him and when I'm [[frustrated]] also, naturally. But even when I say to myself "I am not going to go off", I still find myself, I don't scream or anything, but I get upset and I fuss, like (barking [[sound]]) I'm [~~http~~://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bark_(utterance) barking] at him, [[practically]]. I know I am because my [[husband]] tells me I'm barking at him. The thing is, that I don't want to do these things; and it's hard for me to break that [[habit]].

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Q: Welmek, along those lines, where [[children]] are concerned, that's where I'm having a [[problem]] with my two boys. It's a matter of [[control]]; but I [[think]] really it's also with me, a matter of [[knowing]] how much, actually [[understanding]] how much control I have, especially with my older child. He's 15 and he's immature for his age. He doesn't like to make [[decisions]]. Without going into a big long [[story]], it's hard for me not to rant and rave. I'm a ranter and a raver. It's funny that you said that because even this evening, I noticed that I rant and rave the most when I'm concerned about him and when I'm [[frustrated]] also, naturally. But even when I say to myself "I am not going to go off", I still find myself, I don't scream or anything, but I get upset and I fuss, like (barking [[sound]]) I'm [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bark_(utterance) barking] at him, [[practically]]. I know I am because my [[husband]] tells me I'm barking at him. The thing is, that I don't want to do these things; and it's hard for me to break that [[habit]].

A: There is no [[question]] about this, the [[difficulty]] of breaking [[habits]]. These ways of [[behavior]] have been with you for many years. You have been here just a short time. You make [[sincere]] attempts to make [[changes]]; yet when you find yourself not doing what you really want, that [[frustrates]] you and makes the situation even more [[confusing]], more compounded and more frustrating. Is that not true?

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Each time he brings his studies [[home]], he [[achieves]] a certain [[recognition]]. Each time he leaves his studies behind, he goes backwards. You can even take this to the [[point]] of allowing him so much time for his [[games]]. Each time he brings his materials home, he earns, for example, one-half hour of [[play]] time.

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Sometimes it is, with [[children]], [[necessary]] to take those things away that they [[desire]] the most in order to make your point. But it is crucial, in my [[opinion]], that you do it in a way that they can, maybe not now, but in time, [[understand]] your [[reason]] and [[motivation]]. Rather than [~~http~~://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bark_(utterance) barking] at him, as you say, make him [[understand]] through [[feeling]] as well as [[thought]], what it is you want to help him accomplish. [[Practice]] these things, think about what I have said; and as you [[formulate]] more specific questions, we will address them later. But this is not an insurmountable [[problem]]. Most important is your [[composure]].

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Sometimes it is, with [[children]], [[necessary]] to take those things away that they [[desire]] the most in order to make your point. But it is crucial, in my [[opinion]], that you do it in a way that they can, maybe not now, but in time, [[understand]] your [[reason]] and [[motivation]]. Rather than [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bark_(utterance) barking] at him, as you say, make him [[understand]] through [[feeling]] as well as [[thought]], what it is you want to help him accomplish. [[Practice]] these things, think about what I have said; and as you [[formulate]] more specific questions, we will address them later. But this is not an insurmountable [[problem]]. Most important is your [[composure]].

Q: What about it? ([[laughter]])

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Q: I'll talk to you later. Thank you.

===='''''[[Change]]''''', '''''[[Free will]]====

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Q: I'd like to comment on something that is common here which is co- worker situations. First of all, I would say that if I worked with a [[group]] of people like this, it would be easy to [[maintain]] [[God- consciousness]] throughout the day. However, we are all not so fortunate; and as we come to [[realize]] that [[anger]], [[frustration]], resentment, these [[things]] [[affect]] our [[spiritual]] [[growth]], it becomes a [[challenge]] each day to deal with these people and manage our [[emotions]] to prevent those [[negative]] [[emotions]] from affecting us this way. First of all, I think through your teachings I have learned not to be as much like them as I [[realize]] I used to be. If someone was [[angry]] or verbally [[abusive]] towards me, I would gladly return the [[feelings]]. Now I try to keep from that and know that in my [[heart]] know that I'm supposed to [[love]] them and realize their immaturities. But many of you, maybe as well as me, meet up with people on a daily basis who lack any [[love]], [[understanding]] or [[compassion]] and seem to thrive on [[anger]] and verbal [[abuse]] of others. So, as I [[wake]] each [[morning]] and [[promise]] myself I'm going to try, again, which is an everyday thing to improve myself in dealing with these things, it never fails that one of them will push me too far. I'm always, in my evening [[prayers]], asking for [[forgiveness]] for similar situations. I don't know if this is a common thing with co- workers, but with me it is. I find much [[comfort]] in the fact that at least I [[realize]] these things now and never even [[thought]] about them before. So I think I am benefitting and I am [[progressing]] in dealing with them; but [[frustrations]] that we all speak of are very [[apparent]] and are very [[difficult]] to eliminate.

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Q: I'd like to comment on something that is common here which is co- worker situations. First of all, I would say that if I worked with a [[group]] of people like this, it would be easy to [[maintain]] [[God-consciousness]] throughout the day. However, we are all not so fortunate; and as we come to [[realize]] that [[anger]], [[frustration]], resentment, these [[things]] [[affect]] our [[spiritual]] [[growth]], it becomes a [[challenge]] each day to deal with these people and manage our [[emotions]] to prevent those [[negative]] [[emotions]] from affecting us this way. First of all, I think through your teachings I have learned not to be as much like them as I [[realize]] I used to be. If someone was [[angry]] or verbally [[abusive]] towards me, I would gladly return the [[feelings]]. Now I try to keep from that and know that in my [[heart]] know that I'm supposed to [[love]] them and realize their immaturities. But many of you, maybe as well as me, meet up with people on a daily basis who lack any [[love]], [[understanding]] or [[compassion]] and seem to thrive on [[anger]] and verbal [[abuse]] of others. So, as I [[wake]] each [[morning]] and [[promise]] myself I'm going to try, again, which is an everyday thing to improve myself in dealing with these things, it never fails that one of them will push me too far. I'm always, in my evening [[prayers]], asking for [[forgiveness]] for similar situations. I don't know if this is a common thing with co- workers, but with me it is. I find much [[comfort]] in the fact that at least I [[realize]] these things now and never even [[thought]] about them before. So I think I am benefitting and I am [[progressing]] in dealing with them; but [[frustrations]] that we all speak of are very [[apparent]] and are very [[difficult]] to eliminate.

A: Do you feel that you will ever be able to [[change]] them, your co- workers?

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Q: There is also something to be said for finding that outlet for [[frustration]]. For instance, your suggestion to me was to [[write]] in a [[journal]] whenever I became frustrated; and that really helps me because I don't [[think]] that we can prevent frustrating situations in this life. We're always going to have frustrating situations. But the [[point]] is, is to get those [[feelings]] out as quickly as possible so that you don't stifle that spiritual [[growth]].

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===='''''[[Simplicity]]''''', '''''[[Priorities]]'''''====

A: But I [[understand]] Mark's situation to seem to be more [[intense]], that each day he begins anew, rededicating his will to [[the Father]], and by the time he retires with his [[prayers]], he constantly asks for [[forgiveness]] for the [[difficulties]], that which he may have said or done, that took him away from doing the will of [[the Father]]. You must [[decide]] for yourself what it is you [[wish]] to do to [[maintain]] your [[existence]] that will [[hopefully]] lend a hand, or at least not add to, the [[difficulties]] that you encounter in trying to find and live the will of [[the Father]] each day. I have said before and will say again: you make your lives too [[difficult]] for yourselves. Learn to live more [[simply]]. That does not give you much [[satisfaction]], does it? ([[laughter]])

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A: There are some things, once you [[recognize]] you cannot [[change]], you [[simply]] [[accept]]. But by accepting this does not mean that you give in to the ways of [[thinking]] of your [[associates]]. You must always achieve to [[maintain]] this level of [[awareness]] and even beyond. Therefore, in your [[interaction]] with these people, do not be dragged down to their [[energy]]. Allow yourself to [[maintain]] your own, and hopefully, by example, they may be drawn to you and actually, in [[time]], ask you questions. This may or may not happen. You will have to wait and see. But each time you allow yourself to get [[frustrated]], to get down-hearted, you know what it does to you and you know what it takes in order to overcome it and to just get back to where you were before.

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Q: One of the things that I did for myself as I am [[reading]] the [[Jesus papers]] now, I have [~~http~~://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_care child care] in my [[home]] and I know that I don't have to do that for the rest of my life. But I found myself, especially when [[this mission]] first began, really having a [[difficult]] time because I felt like everyone else was doing something that was much more important than what I was doing and I felt stuck. I was [[complaining]] and I was [[frustrated]] and all of these things. But then [[reading]] [[the Jesus papers]], everything that he did, he never [[complained]]. He did the task at hand and then moved on to the next. And the thing that I have [[realized]] is that my task at hand may last for two years, but two years out of my entire life is a minute. And so it made it easier, not that I don't have those days of [[frustration]] and complaining, but when I saw what [[Jesus]] did and how as a [[young man]] had to [[126:2 The Death of Joseph|take over the father position]] in his [[family]] and did it all without complaint, took [[responsibility]], it gave me more [[courage]] to face my life in the same way and try to find the [[good]] in every single day. I pray every [[morning]] that I will find the [[good]] in every single day. It does help, when you try to look at it from his [[perspective]].

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Q: One of the things that I did for myself as I am [[reading]] the [[Jesus papers]] now, I have [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_care child care] in my [[home]] and I know that I don't have to do that for the rest of my life. But I found myself, especially when [[Teaching Mission|this mission]] first began, really having a [[difficult]] time because I felt like everyone else was doing something that was much more important than what I was doing and I felt stuck. I was [[complaining]] and I was [[frustrated]] and all of these things. But then [[reading]] [[the Jesus papers]], everything that he did, he never [[complained]]. He did the task at hand and then moved on to the next. And the thing that I have [[realized]] is that my task at hand may last for two years, but two years out of my entire life is a minute. And so it made it easier, not that I don't have those days of [[frustration]] and complaining, but when I saw what [[Jesus]] did and how as a [[young man]] had to [[126:2 The Death of Joseph|take over the father position]] in his [[family]] and did it all without complaint, took [[responsibility]], it gave me more [[courage]] to face my life in the same way and try to find the [[good]] in every single day. I pray every [[morning]] that I will find the [[good]] in every single day. It does help, when you try to look at it from his [[perspective]].

A: And indeed, it is just that. It is a matter of [[perspective]]. The narrower your perspective, the more [[frustrated]] and [[anxious]] you become. The broader your perspective, the more [[love]]-filled you become. It's a matter of your [[desire]], your [[activity]], as to which [[perspective]] you [[wish]] to take on for yourself. It will not happen overnight. You must [[understand]] these things. You and I have been [[associated]] now for just over 4 months. This is not much [[time]]. The [[habits]] that you have [[developed]] over the years will take time to overcome. I have asked you to do things which you have not really on a [[consistent]] basis done before. Therefore, do not burden yourself terribly with the [[fact]] that you have not [[achieved]] that which you seek to achieve. Give yourself a break, yet don't let up, either. Always, each day, [[worship]] and re-[[dedicate]] yourself and do the best that you can. As we have said, that is all that is being asked of you.

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Q: They're putting salt in an open wound.

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Q: Believe me, I have made great strides, I think, and of course, everyone has to deal with themselves, and like you say, maybe I'm getting to know myself better because of it, but I have made great strides in dealing with much of what is said and in [[fact]] finding and returning comments using [[humor]] because I seem to poke fun at a lot of [[things]] about life. Comments have been made that I should be a [~~http~~://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comedian comedian], things like that, and I'm [[wondering]] if maybe that's part of the way I deal with people, situations, so that I don't resort to [[anger]] and those other things. But it [[amazes]] me how insensitive some people can be, even in jest.

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Q: Believe me, I have made great strides, I think, and of course, everyone has to deal with themselves, and like you say, maybe I'm getting to know myself better because of it, but I have made great strides in dealing with much of what is said and in [[fact]] finding and returning comments using [[humor]] because I seem to poke fun at a lot of [[things]] about life. Comments have been made that I should be a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comedian comedian], things like that, and I'm [[wondering]] if maybe that's part of the way I deal with people, situations, so that I don't resort to [[anger]] and those other things. But it [[amazes]] me how insensitive some people can be, even in jest.

Q: Mark, why don't you say, "Why are you being so insensitive?" Put it back on their shoulders, to have to [[explain]] their [[actions]].

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Q: Certain people simply lack the [[understanding]]. You're [[assuming]] that that [[person]] is capable or has any [[realization]] of what they've said means or...

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Q: But they might not [[understand]] it the first time, but they might the second time. This is what I've been doing to my sister-in-law. She came out the other day and called my husband a (*&*). Well, you know, he has problems; we all have problems. She doesn't understand, she never will understand. And so she called him that, and I said "Gee, Brenda, you finally got a compliment in there. Do you have any other compliments?" which meant for her to come up with something else. So every time she gives me one of these smart remarks, I just turn it back to her, "Gee, do you have another one?" It's caught her off-guard and she watches what she says anymore. The first time I did it she got mad. The second time I did it she tried to explain what she was trying to get across to me. The third time, she didn't ask any more.

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Q: But they might not [[understand]] it the first time, but they might the second time. This is what I've been doing to my sister-in-law. She came out the other day and called my [[husband]] a (*&*). Well, you know, he has [[problems]]; we all have problems. She doesn't [[understand]], she never will [[understand]]. And so she called him that, and I said "Gee, Brenda, you finally got a [[compliment]] in there. Do you have any other compliments?" which meant for her to come up with something else. So every time she gives me one of these smart remarks, I just turn it back to her, "Gee, do you have another one?" It's caught her off-guard and she watches what she says anymore. The first time I did it she got [[Angry|mad]]. The second time I did it she tried to [[explain]] what she was trying to get across to me. The third time, she didn't ask any more.

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Q: Do you know, it seems that the people that I deal with, if you want a concerned reaction, or you want them to ask "Hey, did I say something wrong?" you have to respond with quiet anger, with a mood of non-reconciliation, in other words, avoidance. You just become cold towards them, and then they wonder "Did I say something wrong?" Why would it take that sort of reaction for them to . .."

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Q: Do you know, it seems that the people that I deal with, if you want a concerned [[reaction]], or you want them to ask "Hey, did I say something wrong?" you have to [[respond]] with [[quiet]] [[anger]], with a [[mood]] of non-[[reconciliation]], in other [[words]], avoidance. You just become [[cold]] towards them, and then they [[wonder]] "Did I say something wrong?" Why would it take that sort of [[reaction]] for them to . .."

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Q: It's because all their lives they've been allowed to say what they think, how they think, and how they want to act without any consequences of what they're doing.

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Q: It's because all their lives they've been allowed to say what they [[think]], how they think, and how they want to [[act]] without any [[consequences]] of what they're doing.

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Q: Well, I simply every day am going to benefit from this, I'm going to grow from it. That is what I pray for, and that is what I dedicate myself each day to; and I believe each day I'm getting better. I have the sincere hope that as time goes by, I'm going to be able to maintain what Welmek says I should, which is not allowing myself to be drained of my positive energy and allowing myself to be manipulated by their negative energy. Maybe that's why I haven't decided to go somewhere else. It's a challenge, and somehow I'm going to come out on top.

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Q: Well, I [[simply]] every day am going to benefit from this, I'm going to [[grow]] from it. That is what I [[pray]] for, and that is what I [[dedicate]] myself each day to; and I [[believe]] each day I'm getting better. I have the [[sincere]] hope that as time goes by, I'm going to be able to [[maintain]] what Welmek says I should, which is not allowing myself to be drained of my [[positive]] [[energy]] and allowing myself to be [[manipulated]] by their [[negative]] energy. Maybe that's why I haven't [[decided]] to go somewhere else. It's a [[challenge]], and somehow I'm going to come out on top.

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Q: It will maybe help you control your anger.

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Q: It will maybe help you [[control]] your [[anger]].

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Q: I know when I first met you you were angry; but lately you're more loving and more understanding and more helpful. I asked you a question last Friday night; and if I'd asked you that before, you would have backed off from me, but you didn't this time.

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Q: I know when I first met you you were [[angry]]; but lately you're more loving and more [[understanding]] and more helpful. I asked you a [[question]] last Friday night; and if I'd asked you that before, you would have backed off from me, but you didn't this time.

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Q: You know, this group, these teachings, when you surround yourself with people who love you sincerely, who care, who have the same motivations and desires as you, it's medicine for the heart. There's no doubt that without this I don't know where I would be. I'm sure I would be self-destructive; but I'm so thankful and so blessed, I can't talk about repetitive worship.

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Q: You know, this [[group]], these teachings, when you [[surround]] yourself with people who [[love]] you [[sincerely]], who care, who have the same [[motivations]] and [[desires]] as you, it's [[medicine]] for the [[heart]]. There's no [[doubt]] that without this I don't know where I would be. I'm sure I would be self-destructive; but I'm so [[thankful]] and so [[blessed]], I can't talk about [[repetitive]] [[worship]].

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===='''''[[Self Realization]]'''''====

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A: I [[wish]] to make two comments and then move on, if I may. First, once again, [[our Master]] will be your [[model]]. You said that you do not [[understand]] how these [[individuals]] toward you the way that they do, so insensitively, so ignorantly, if you will. Think of how the [[leaders]] [[acted]] toward [[the Master]] when they [[literally]] [[crucified]] him. He looked upon them as with all of the [[children]] of this [[planet]] and asked [[the Father]] to [[forgive]] them because they just did not know what they were doing. And I suggest it is with those you [[work]] with, for if they really did [[understand]] you, if they did have a better understanding of themselves, they would not do these things. Lastly, I can give the best [[advice]] to all of you in this way. Whenever you deal with another [[individual]] that causes [[confrontation]] to begin to swell within yourself, [[simply]] look at this [[individual]] as [[Jesus]]. Allow the [[love]] to begin to [[flow]] through you again; and although their [[behavior]] is less than yours, [[simply]] look at them as [[Jesus]] would: [[forgive]] them Father for they do not know what they are doing. For if they did, they would not treat you this way, as they are treating me. You too are a [[part]] of [[Jesus]], just as they; and you would never treat [[our Master]] this way. Would they, if they [[understood]] the [[meaning]] of what I say to you? If you begin to [[focus]] yourself in this way, and [[honestly]] attempt each time you find yourself in these situations to the best of your [[ability]] to [[perceive]] and [[understand]] and [[feel]] it, then in time you will master all of your situations. You will look at all of the [[difficulties]] that [[face]] you and [[realize]] they are nothing more than an [[opportunity]] to [[grow]] once again. You will [[actually]] give [[thanks]] for those [[obstacles]], those difficult situations that you face; for in the long run, as you look back upon your life, you will see that they were [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Step-stone_bridge stepping stones] to lead you closer to [[the Father]], that very thing which you have been [[praying]] for all along.

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A: I wish to make two comments and then move on, if I may. First, once again, our Master will be your model. You said that you do not understand how these individuals toward you the way that they do, so insensitively, so ignorantly, if you will. Think of how the leaders acted toward the Master when they literally crucified him. He looked upon them as with all of the children of this planet and asked the Father to forgive them because they just did not know what they were doing. And I suggest it is with those you work with, for if they really did understand you, if they did have a better understanding of themselves, they would not do these things. Lastly, I can give the best advice to all of you in this way. Whenever you deal with another individual that causes confrontation to begin to swell within yourself, simply look at this individual as Jesus. Allow the love to begin to flow through you again; and although their behavior is less than yours, simply look at them as Jesus would: forgive them Father for they do not know what they are doing. For if they did, they would not treat you this way, as they are treating me. You too are a part of Jesus, just as they; and you would never treat our Master this way. Would they, if they understood the meaning of what I say to you? If you begin to focus yourself in this way, and honestly attempt each time you find yourself in these situations to the best of your ability to perceive and understand and feel it, then in time you will master all of your situations. You will look at all of the difficulties that face you and realize they are nothing more than an opportunity to grow once again. You will actually give thanks for those obstacles, those difficult situations that you face; for in the long run, as you look back upon your life, you will see that they were stepping stones to lead you closer to the Father, that very thing which you have been praying for all along. With that being said, I wish to make an announcement. There is another, actually there are several who have been receiving communication for the past few weeks and some the past few days. This pleases me deeply. Linda Buselli has been receiving communication for some time. We will now ask her to join Michael and David in speaking out loud. What I wish to do when I turn this meeting over to her as my voice mechanism is to open up this session for general questions and answers. I realize that I have not addressed that which I told you I would as far as parental and brotherly love; and if you wish to address questions in this way, we will. This will be a practice session for her. I understand that you all love her and that you must realize the somewhat nervous situation that this will create within her. For any of you that receive communication, your supreme desire is to never mislead, never misguide and always hope that what you receive is actually that of either another being or of your higher self. As I have told you before, it matters not the source as much as the content. Ask your questions freely to me, and I will respond through her. I will ask that those who feel comfortable to engage her in your private sessions, for as you know we are losing David temporarily for most of the private sessions he has volunteered to do. I do not wish to lose the opportunity to speak to you. Therefore, it is time for Linda to become a part of the speaking group. One moment please.

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With that being said, I wish to make an [[announcement]]. There is another, actually there are several who have been receiving [[communication]] for the past few weeks and some the past few days. This pleases me deeply. Linda Buselli has been [[receiving]] [[communication]] for some time. We will now ask her to join Michael and David in [[speaking]] out loud. What I [[wish]] to do when I turn this [[meeting]] over to her as my [[voice]] [[mechanism]] is to open up this session for general questions and answers. I [[realize]] that I have not addressed that which I told you I would as far as [[parental]] and [[brotherly]] [[love]]; and if you wish to address [[questions]] in this way, we will. This will be a [[practice]] session for her. I [[understand]] that you all [[love]] her and that you must [[realize]] the somewhat nervous situation that this will create within her. For any of you that [[receive]] [[communication]], your [[supreme]] [[desire]] is to never mislead, never misguide and always [[hope]] that what you receive is actually that of either another being or of your [[higher self]]. As I have told you before, it matters not the [[source]] as much as the [[content]]. Ask your [[questions]] freely to me, and I will [[respond]] through her. I will ask that those who feel comfortable to [[engage]] her in your [[private]] sessions, for as you know we are losing David temporarily for most of the private sessions he has volunteered to do. I do not [[wish]] to lose the [[opportunity]] to speak to you. Therefore, it is time for Linda to become a part of the [[speaking]] group. One moment please.

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===='''''[[Perspective]]'''''====

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Q: Welmek, I have a question. I have been struck before by the [[idea]] of seeing things in [[perspective]]. If you're down in a [[valley]] and you see a large hill in front you, it may look almost insurmountable; but if you're able to rise up above and see it from an [[aerial]] view, you may see many hills, and in [[fact]] that may not be as big as many others. And so you sort of [[realize]] that you'll accomplish overcoming that hill and you'll go on and so on. So much of life we look at that way. We're overwhelmed by a particular [[problem]] because we're really not probably seeing it in its larger [[perspective]]. What suggestions do you have for us to look at troubling situations and try to step back and see them in their broader [[perspective]]?

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Q: Welmek, I have a question. I have been struck before by the idea of seeing things in perspective. If you're down in a valley and you see a large hill in front you, it may look almost insurmountable; but if you're able to rise up above and see it from an aerial view, you may see many hills, and in fact that may not be as big as many others. And so you sort of realize that you'll accomplish overcoming that hill and you'll go on and so on. So much of life we look at that way. We're overwhelmed by a particular problem because we're really not probably seeing it in its larger perspective. What suggestions do you have for us to look at troubling situations and try to step back and see them in their broader perspective?

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A: You must [[remember]] that this life is the very first of a long [[series]] of steps and [[experiences]] in your [[universe career]]. Ask yourself, as you look at this [[problem]] that seems insurmountable to you now, in the long view, how important is this? You can look at it from a short time view, or you can say "Is this going to be important to me, to my [[growth]], to my [[spiritual]] growth, to my advancement, one year from now. Will it matter, the outcome, to my [[future]] [[development]]? The longer your [[perspective]], the less insurmountable the [[problem]] seems; and the more [[wisdom]] you are able to apply to the solution. Does this help?

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A: You must remember that this life is the very first of a long series of steps and experiences in your universe career. Ask yourself, as you look at this problem that seems insurmountable to you now, in the long view, how important is this? You can look at it from a short time view, or you can say "Is this going to be important to me, to my growth, to my spiritual growth, to my advancement, one year from now. Will it matter, the outcome, to my future development? The longer your perspective, the less insurmountable the problem seems; and the more wisdom you are able to apply to the solution. Does this help?

Q: Yes.

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===='''''[[Teaching Mission]]''''', '''''[[Groups]]'''''====

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Q: Welmek, I have a [[question]] on a [[different]] subject. The speaker that spoke to us during our opening said that we had done things as a [[group]] that had been helpful. Can you [[explain]] what those things are? And I [[assume]] that that was helpful to [[Teaching Mission|the mission]].

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Q: Welmek, I have a question on a different subject. The speaker that spoke to us during our opening said that we had done things as a group that had been helpful. Can you explain what those things are? And I assume that that was helpful to the mission.

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A: Every [[group]] has a part in the [[mission]] as a [[whole]]. Your group has been, partly because of its [[numbers]], particularly active in certain areas. As I have spoken of before, your [[support]] of other [[groups]] is more important than you [[realize]]. There is [[energy]] generated in a group of this size that is useful and can be helpful to other groups in a [[support]] [[frame of reference]]. Many of you are in [[contact]] [[personally]] with those in other groups. You have [[stimulated]] an interest in groups that might not yet have formed without this additional help. All of these things help the [[mission]] more than you [[realize]]. There is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_effect ripple effect], as you would call it. For all that you do, as [[individuals]] and as [[support]] as a [[group]], more happens than you will ever really [[understand]]. This group also, because of its size, has been useful in several [[experiments]]. This has helped us to [[understand]] [[humans]] in certain ways and to try new [[techniques]] of reaching you, [[mindally]], and with helping you [[spiritually]]. All of these things have been helpful to us, and we are very [[appreciative]] of the [[dedication]] of all of you. You have helped more than you know.

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A: Every group has a part in the mission as a whole. Your group has been, partly because of its numbers, particularly active in certain areas. As I have spoken of before, your support of other groups is more important than you realize. There is energy generated in a group of this size that is useful and can be helpful to other groups in a support frame of reference. Many of you are in contact personally with those in other groups. You have stimulated an interest in groups that might not yet have formed without this additional help. All of these things help the mission more than you realize. There is a ripple effect, as you would call it. For all that you do, as individuals and as support as a group, more happens than you will ever really understand. This group also, because of its size, has been useful in several experiments. This has helped us to understand humans in certain ways and to try new techniques of reaching you, mindally, and with helping you spiritually. All of these things have been helpful to us, and we are very appreciative of the dedication of all of you. You have helped more than you know.

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Q: I had one question, and this is just a clarification. When we talk about the mission, my understanding is that basically, the overall mission is just to do whatever we can as individuals to help bring the world into Light and Life; and while this is a very kind of simplistic overview, that's my understanding. That is correct?

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Q: I had one question, and this is just a [[clarification]]. When we talk about [[Teaching Mission|the mission]], my [[understanding]] is that basically, the overall [[mission]] is just to do whatever we can as [[individuals]] to help bring the world into [[Light and Life]]; and while this is a very kind of [[simplistic]] overview, that's my [[understanding]]. That is correct?

A: Yes, in a general way that is correct.

Q: Thank you.

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===='''''[[Mansion Worlds]]'''''====

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Q: On this [[planet]], as we've [[talked]] about, there are [[things]] here that kind of [[barriers|obstruct]] the [[spiritual]] [[growth]] and we have [[temptation]] and things like that that kind of halt the spiritual growth. When we're in the [[morontial]] form, are there any outside properties that might work against that spiritual [[growth]] or is it simply going to be something of our [[choice]] to continue on this spiritual path or not?

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Q: On this planet, as we've talked about, there are things here that kind of obstruct the spiritual growth and we have temptation and things like that that kind of halt the spiritual growth. When we're in the morontial form, are there any outside properties that might work against that spiritual growth or is it simply going to be something of our choice to continue on this spiritual path or not?

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A: First of all, in the [[morontial life]], you will be given additional [[understanding]], additional [[senses]]. You will be given all the instruction and help that you need to correct your own [[character]], I don't like to use the [[word]] [[deficits]], perhaps "[[flaws]]" might be a better [[word]]. As you know, when you [[awaken]] on the [[mansion worlds]], you are not any [[different]] than when you leave here except for the [[consciousness]] of [[survival]]. And so, those [[personality]] [[problems]] that you have failed to [[develop]] or grow beyond here will still need to be dealt with. However, you will have all the help that can be provided for you. The [[difference]] on the [[morontia worlds]] is that you have so much less [[opportunity]]. It is as I spoke of earlier, and have mentioned on many previous occasions, you are so fortunate for all that you [[feel]] your lives are so burdened here. You are fortunate in this [[respect]], that you have continual [[opportunity]]. The opportunities are not as frequent and not as [[intense]] on the [[morontial worlds]]. It is why it is so important for you to take [[advantage]] of the [[opportunities]] you have here and to [[grow]] as much as you can here. Your opportunities will lessen as you [[progress]] and as more and more of the [[individuals]] [[surrounding]] you are progressing. Do you [[understand]] what I am saying?

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A: First of all, in the morontial life, you will be given additional understanding, additional senses. You will be given all the instruction and help that you need to correct your own character, I don't like to use the word deficits, perhaps "flaws" might be a better word. As you know, when you awaken on the mansion worlds, you are not any different than when you leave here except for the consciousness of survival. And so, those personality problems that you have failed to develop or grow beyond here will still need to be dealt with. However, you will have all the help that can be provided for you. The difference on the morontia worlds is that you have so much less opportunity. It is as I spoke of earlier, and have mentioned on many previous occasions, you are so fortunate for all that you feel your lives are so burdened here. You are fortunate in this respect, that you have continual opportunity. The opportunities are not as frequent and not as intense on the morontial worlds. It is why it is so important for you to take advantage of the opportunities you have here and to grow as much as you can here. Your opportunities will lessen as you progress and as more and more of the individuals surrounding you are progressing. Do you understand what I am saying?

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Q: Yes, I do. Opportunities are what we would equate to difficulties in our lives.

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Q: Yes, I do. [[Opportunities]] are what we would equate to [[difficulties]] in our lives.

A: Exactly.

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Q: So we do have difficulties to face and opportunities to face, but they're not as intense as we have here or what we would think of here and not as often.

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Q: So we do have [[difficulties]] to face and [[opportunities]] to face, but they're not as [[intense]] as we have here or what we would [[think]] of here and not as often.

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A: That is a way of putting it. As all of you progress through the mansion worlds, as your spirituality improves, there are, of course, fewer conflicts. However, there will always be adjustments to be made to other personalities, to other ways of seeing things. There are beings in the universe that you will encounter that you cannot even conceive of, and that will be very difficult for you to understand. These will be opportunities also, but you will have so much more help than you have previously had here. It is one of the goals of our mission to help you as individuals, not only to bring the entire planet into an era of Light and Life, but also that all of you as individuals progress. This is how, in fact, the mission will succeed. We are here to help you; and it is group meetings such as this, personal sessions, call upon us for advice, for help, when you have these problems. There is much advice that we can give you, but we cannot and will not solve your problems for you.

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A: That is a way of putting it. As all of you [[progress]] through the [[mansion worlds]], as your [[spirituality]] improves, there are, of course, fewer [[conflicts]]. However, there will always be [[adjustments]] to be made to other [[personalities]], to other ways of [[seeing]] things. There are [[beings]] in the [[universe]] that you will encounter that you cannot even conceive of, and that will be very [[difficult]] for you to [[understand]]. These will be [[opportunities]] also, but you will have so much more help than you have previously had here. It is one of the goals of [[Teaching Mission|our mission]] to help you as [[individuals]], not only to bring the entire [[planet]] into an era of [[Light and Life]], but also that all of you as [[individuals]] [[progress]]. This is how, in [[fact]], [[Teaching Mission|the mission]] will succeed. We are here to help you; and it is [[group]] [[meetings]] such as this, [[personal]] sessions, call upon us for [[advice]], for help, when you have these [[problems]]. There is much advice that we can give you, but we cannot and will not solve your [[problems]] for you.

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===='''''[[Teaching Mission]]'''''====

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Q: Welmek, with [[Teaching Mission|the mission]], how come the [[mission]] has started now, or in these times, rather than maybe a few centuries ago; and why is it at a certain time that this mission has started?

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Q: ~~Welmek~~, ~~with~~ the ~~mission~~, ~~how come~~ the mission has ~~started now~~, or in these ~~times~~, ~~rather than maybe a few centuries ago;~~ and ~~why is~~ it ~~at a certain time that~~ this mission ~~has started~~?

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A: Some years ago, as the [[Lucifer rebellion]] was drawing close to its [[adjudication]], [[the Father]] stirred Himself and asked [[Michael]] to [[plan]] for a [[mission]] of this [[type]]. Your [[planet]] has been, had been, most unfortunate in that, because of the spiritual [[isolation]] brought about by the [[Lucifer rebellion]], the cutting of the universe [[circuits]] and the restrictions placed upon those who would help by these [[events]]. Now with the [[adjudication]] of [[the rebellion]], Michael has ordered that this [[planet]] and the other rebellion worlds of [[the System|this system]], be brought as quickly as possible into an era of [[Light and Life]]. Until these [[universe]] affairs were [[adjudicated]], it was deemed best by those in [[authority]] to wait until the adjudication was finished and then to begin [[Teaching Mission|this mission]].

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===='''''[[Humor]]'''''====

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Q: Welmek, I'm [[curious]]. Since you've had an [[opportunity]] to view us [[humans]], what are your [[opinions]], be they [[positive]] or [[negative]] about [[humor]] and how we use it or apply it in our lives?

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A: ~~Some years ago~~, as ~~the Lucifer rebellion was drawing close to its adjudication~~, ~~the Father stirred Himself and asked Michael to plan for~~ a ~~mission of this type. Your~~ planet ~~has been~~, ~~had been~~, ~~most unfortunate in that~~, ~~because of the spiritual isolation brought about~~ by ~~the Lucifer rebellion, the cutting of the universe circuits~~ and ~~the restrictions placed upon those who would help by these events~~. ~~Now with the adjudication~~ of the ~~rebellion~~, ~~Michael has ordered that this planet and~~ the ~~other rebellion worlds~~ of ~~this system~~, ~~be brought~~ as ~~quickly~~ as ~~possible into an era of Light and Life. Until these universe affairs were adjudicated~~, it ~~was deemed best by those in authority to wait until the adjudication was finished~~ and ~~then to begin this mission~~.

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A: I have attempted to [[learn]] more about this since I have been here. I [[hope]] I have improved. ([[laughter]]) Thank you. [[Humor]] is important on this [[planet]]. I did not fully [[understand]] this at first. There is, as I have said before, on a [[planet]] such as mine, there is less [[contrast]], and therefore, [[humor]] is not acquired to any great [[degree]] by persons on my planet or persons on planets in [[Light and Life]]. I had to acquire a sense of [[humor]] or an understanding of it on the [[morontia worlds]]. But I can [[assure]] you, I was not [[prepared]] for the [[degree]] of [[humor]] I have found here. Humor on [[morontia]]l levels is somewhat [[different]]. Your humor is, at times, not as [[Sophism|sophisticated]] as it might be ([[laughter]]), but I have found that I enjoy it a great deal, and I am still working on my sense of [[humor]].

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Q: ~~Welmek,~~ I~~'m curious~~. ~~Since you've had an opportunity to view us humans, what are your opinions, be they positive or negative about humor and how we use it or apply it in our lives~~?

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Q: I have a follow-up to that. It has been said that laughter has [[healing]] [[powers]]. Is that correct?

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A: I have attempted to learn more about this since I have been here. I hope I have improved. (laughter) Thank you. Humor is important on this planet. I did not fully understand this at first. There is, as I have said before, on a planet such as mine, ~~there is less contrast, and therefore, humor is not acquired~~ to ~~any great~~ degree ~~by persons on my planet or persons on planets in Light and Life. I had to acquire a sense of humor or an understanding of~~ it ~~on the morontia worlds~~. ~~But I can assure you, I was not prepared for~~ the ~~degree of humor I have found here. Humor on morontial levels is somewhat different. Your humor is, at times~~, ~~not as sophisticated as it~~ might ~~be (laughter)~~, ~~but I have found~~ that ~~I enjoy it a great deal~~, ~~and I am still working on my sense of humor~~.

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A: Yes, to some [[degree]], it does. It is the [[emotion]] that releases [[chemicals]], one might say, that can aid in [[healing]], in certain circumstances, yes.

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Q: ~~I have~~ a ~~follow-up to that~~. ~~It has been said~~ that ~~laughter has~~ healing ~~powers~~. ~~Is that correct?~~

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Q: Laughter is a great [[tension]] releaser. If you're in a tense situation, and somebody says something funny, everybody laughs and everybody feels better. In that way it's also [[healing]], in that you don't harbor those tense [[feelings]]. [[Laughter]] to some extent makes our life bearable.

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A: ~~Yes,~~ to ~~some degree, it does. It is the emotion~~ that ~~releases chemicals, one might say, that can aid in healing, in certain circumstances, yes~~.

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A: I have come to [[understand]] that better since I have been here.

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Q: ~~Laughter is a great tension releaser. If you're in a tense situation~~, ~~and somebody says something funny~~, ~~everybody laughs and everybody feels better. In that way it's also healing, in that you don't harbor those tense feelings. Laughter to some extent makes~~ our ~~life bearable.~~

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===='''''[[Christmas]]'''''====

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Q: Welmek, with the [[Christmas]] [[season]] coming on, how does the rest of the world [[perceive]] our Christmas holiday spirit?

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~~A: I have come to understand that better since I have been here.~~

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A: Would you [[clarify]] "the rest of the world"?

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~~Q: Welmek, with the Christmas season coming on, how does the rest of the world perceive our Christmas holiday spirit?~~

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A: Would you clarify "the rest of the world"?

Q: You know other worlds better than I do.

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Q: You mean "worlds", other planets. The universe...

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Q: You mean "worlds", other [[planets]]. The universe...

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A: The general consensus is that it is unfortunate that the birth of the Master seems to be so overshadowed by commercial greed, by non- religious activities. It is truly unfortunate that so many of the people on this planet do not understand the importance of what occurred here when Jesus was born. If the mortals of this planet really understood the meaning of a Creator Son, a being so mighty, taking the form of a human baby, a helpless human being, and all of the universe implications involved, I can assure you there would be a good deal less of the commercial point of view.

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A: The general consensus is that it is unfortunate that the [[birth]] of [[the Master]] seems to be so overshadowed by commercial [[greed]], by non- [[religious]] activities. It is truly unfortunate that so many of the people on this [[planet]] do not [[understand]] the importance of what occurred here when [[Jesus]] was born. If the [[mortals]] of this planet really understood the [[meaning]] of a [[Creator Son]], a being so mighty, taking the form of a [[human]] [[baby]], a helpless [[human being]], and all of the [[universe]] implications involved, I can [[assure]] you there would be a good deal less of the commercial [[point of view]].

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Q: Do you find that throughout the world or throughout the earth itself that people tend towards ~~Christmastime~~ to think more of one another and there's more concern about one another?

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Q: Do you find that throughout the world or throughout the [[earth]] itself that people tend towards [[Christmas]]time to [[think]] more of one another and there's more concern about one another?

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A: This is talked about a great deal in Christian countries. There is an effort made, and there are individuals who really do apply a religious, a spiritual meaning to the day. However, on the whole, there is much that could be done and will be done in future in appreciating exactly what the birth of the Master meant.

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A: This is talked about a great deal in [[Christian]] countries. There is an [[effort]] made, and there are [[individuals]] who really do apply a religious, a [[spiritual]] meaning to the day. However, on the whole, there is much that could be done and will be done in [[future]] in [[appreciating]] exactly what the [[birth]] of [[the Master]] meant.

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Q: As we get closer to Light and Life, will the actual date of Jesus' birthday change? Since we know he was born on the ~~2lst~~ of August, will Christmas stop and more of a birthday celebration for Jesus in August happen?

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Q: As we get closer to [[Light and Life]], will the actual date of [[Jesus]]' birthday change? Since we know he was born on the [[122:8|21st of August]], will [[Christmas]] stop and more of a birthday [[celebration]] for [[Jesus]] in August happen?

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A: This is difficult to say. Eventually, as more people understand this may occur among groups. This is strictly a human decision; and some may for sentimental reasons even, choose to keep Christmas for some generations to come.

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A: This is [[difficult]] to say. [[Eventually]], as more people [[understand]] this may occur among groups. This is strictly a [[human]] [[decision]]; and some may for sentimental reasons even, choose to keep [[Christmas]] for some [[generations]] to come.

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Q: Welmek, when you talk about seeing Christ in someone else, you reference this in a literal sense, correct?

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===='''''[[Presence]]'''''====

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Q: Welmek, when you talk about seeing [[Christ]] in someone else, you [[reference]] this in a [[literal]] sense, correct?

A: Yes.

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Q: When we try to behave in that way, to see the Christ in someone else and to feel the love and to understand that they are our brother and sister, what effect does that have on us physically?

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Q: When we try to behave in that way, to see the [[Christ]] in someone else and to [[feel]] the [[love]] and to [[understand]] that they are our brother and sister, what [[effect]] does that have on us physically?

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A: How do you feel physically when you love someone, when you experience the feeling of love?

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A: How do you feel physically when you love someone, when you [[experience]] the [[feeling]] of [[love]]?

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Q: Aside from feeling peace of mind and a calmness throughout my body, I also have a sense of..this is difficult to describe but, I feel as though there is a visual sensing that I didn't have before, not that I see colors or auras, but it's as though I begin to see a little more of the person than I did before. The only way I can relate this is to perhaps what Jesus saw when he looked at people and was able to see their soul. Not that I'm remotely close to that, but there is a definite physical visual sensation, and I don't really know how to describe it beyond that.

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Q: Aside from [[feeling]] [[peace]] of [[mind]] and a calmness throughout my [[body]], I also have a sense of..this is [[difficult]] to describe but, I feel as though there is a visual sensing that I didn't have before, not that I see [[colors]] or [[auras]], but it's as though I begin to see a little more of the [[person]] than I did before. The only way I can relate this is to perhaps what [[Jesus]] saw when he looked at people and was able to see their [[soul]]. Not that I'm remotely close to that, but there is a definite [[physical]] visual sensation, and I don't really know how to describe it beyond that.

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A: Could you clarify "visual"?

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A: Could you [[clarify]] "visual"?

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Q: My perception is more focused.

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Q: My [[perception]] is more [[focused]].

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Q: Is it like an energy?

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Q: Is it like an [[energy]]?

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Q: I don't really know how quite accurately to describe it. It's as though, it's more of a sensing, I guess, than anything else, that this person is indeed a child of the Father and they're just like me in that regard. I sense a much closer feeling. Specifically, the other day I encountered a brother who, in my old way of thinking I would have thought was far less intelligent than myself and as a result I wouldn't have much in common with this person, but I took a different approach and looked at this individual as a brother, as one who may even know the Father more than I, and approached this person in conversation with an attitude of "let's really get to know each other because I know you have the spirit inside" . I felt as though, just looking at him, I was looking at him more intensely than when I look at people as a rule. Again, this feeling of calmness came over me and I was kind of pleased with myself that I was actually practicing what I had been saying or you had been asking me to do. It was a good feeling. My question is, two parts, are there healing benefits to actually perceiving our brothers and sisters with the Christ inside of them, and secondly, is there anything to how we literally "see" one another? Is there an actual physical change going on somehow, in some manner?

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Q: I don't really know how quite accurately to [[describe]] it. It's as though, it's more of a sensing, I guess, than anything else, that this [[person]] is indeed a child of [[the Father]] and they're just like me in that regard. I sense a much closer [[feeling]]. Specifically, the other day I encountered a brother who, in my old way of [[thinking]] I would have thought was far less [[intelligent]] than myself and as a result I wouldn't have much in common with this [[person]], but I took a [[different]] approach and looked at this individual as a brother, as one who may even know [[the Father]] more than I, and approached this person in [[conversation]] with an [[attitude]] of "let's really get to know each other because I know you have the spirit inside" . I felt as though, just looking at him, I was looking at him more [[intensely]] than when I look at people as a rule. Again, this [[feeling]] of [[calmness]] came over me and I was kind of pleased with myself that I was actually [[practicing]] what I had been saying or you had been asking me to do. It was a good [[feeling]]. My question is, two parts, are there [[healing]] benefits to actually [[perceiving]] our brothers and sisters with the [[Christ]] inside of them, and secondly, is there anything to how we [[literally]] "see" one another? Is there an actual [[physical]] [[change]] going on somehow, in some manner?

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A: I will take the second part of your question first. Might it be correct to re-state this that you are seeing this person with spiritual vision?

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A: I will take the second part of your question first. Might it be correct to re-state this that you are seeing this [[person]] with [[spiritual]] [[vision]]?

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Q: That's what I'm not clear, because this is a very new experience for me. I tend to say yes, but I don't know what spiritual vision really means.

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Q: That's what I'm not clear, because this is a very new [[experience]] for me. I tend to say yes, but I don't know what spiritual vision really means.

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A: At your level of existence, it would mean spiritual awareness that perhaps was not there before, rather than an actual visualization, as such. This is a natural outgrowth of love, the pouring out of the Father's love to another because in doing this, you "see", to use your word, this individual as, or you begin to see the individual as the Father sees that person. And this increases your spiritual awareness, even at this very beginning level of universe ascension. As for the first part of the question, does this have a healing effect, what do you think?

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A: At your level of [[existence]], it would mean spiritual [[awareness]] that perhaps was not there before, rather than an actual [[visualization]], as such. This is a natural outgrowth of [[love]], the pouring out of [[the Father]]'s [[love]] to another because in doing this, you "see", to use your [[word]], this [[individual]] as, or you begin to see the individual as [[the Father]] sees that person. And this increases your spiritual [[awareness]], even at this very beginning level of [[universe ascension]]. As for the first part of the question, does this have a [[healing]] effect, what do you think?

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Q: Well, I would assume it would because the more I try to attune to the spirit within another, I feel that I'm doing the same for myself.

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Q: Well, I would [[assume]] it would because the more I try to [[attune]] to [[Thought Adjuster|the spirit]] within another, I [[feel]] that I'm doing the same for myself.

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A: Whenever the love of the Father flows through you ~~consciously~~, it will have a healing effect upon you. It is a matter of energies, as Andrea pointed out in the session on healing. This visualization or attempt to feel the love of the Father flow through you will always have a beneficial effect on the energies in your physical system, as well as an effect on the person to whom these energies are directed. It is difficult to be more specific; but yes, there is always the beneficial effect of love.

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A: Whenever the [[love]] of [[the Father]] [[flows]] through you [[conscious]]ly, it will have a [[healing]] [[effect]] upon you. It is a matter of [[energies]], as Andrea pointed out in the session on healing. This [[visualization]] or attempt to [[feel]] the [[love]] of [[the Father]] [[flow]] through you will always have a beneficial [[effect]] on the [[energies]] in your [[Body|physical system]], as well as an [[effect]] on the [[person]] to whom these [[energies]] are directed. It is [[difficult]] to be more specific; but yes, there is always the beneficial [[effect]] of [[love]].

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Q: Is there a correlation, then, between this and why Jesus was never

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Q: Is there a correlation, then, between this and why [[Jesus]] was never

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ill in his adult life and later teen life, because he looked at

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[[Disease|ill]] in his adult life and later teen life, because he looked at

people in this way?

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A: This was certainly part of his physical health, yes. There were

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A: This was certainly part of his [[physical]] [[health]], yes. There were

some other reasons which I will not go into at this time.

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===='''''[[Ascension Career]]'''''====

Q: Welmek, I have a question I would like to get answered tonight, but

I feel a sense that I should defer to others who might be here for

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the first time, or who haven't had a chance to ask a question....

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the first time, or who haven't had a [[chance]] to ask a [[question]]....

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Based upon our session talking about the difference in fatherly love

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Based upon our session talking about the [[difference]] in fatherly love

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and brotherly love, in subsequent conversations, I was faced with

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and brotherly love, in subsequent [[conversations]], I was faced with

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the question "well, that's not really important. All that really

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the [[question]] "well, that's not really important. All that really

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matters is that there's love and there's no real reason to ever

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matters is that there's [[love]] and there's no real reason to ever

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worry or to spend the energy in trying to attempt to define or

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[[worry]] or to spend the [[energy]] in trying to attempt to define or

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understand such differences." How would you respond to someone who

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[[understand]] such [[differences]]." How would you [[respond]] to someone who

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would say that? Can you describe what frame of mind or perhaps

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would say that? Can you [[describe]] what frame of [[mind]] or perhaps

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perspective or level of understanding they might be at, and can you

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[[perspective]] or level of [[understanding]] they might be at, and can you

suggest a way to help them understand that there might be some

importance to that?

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A: If this person is a parent, you might the difference in feeling,

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A: If this [[person]] is a [[parent]], you might the [[difference]] in [[feeling]],

their feeling for their child and perhaps a brother or sister in

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their family. This is the most immediate example of the difference.

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their [[family]]. This is the most immediate example of the [[difference]].

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There is an important difference, which is why in the ascension

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There is an important [[difference]], which is why in the [[ascension career]] it is important that every [[individual]] undergo the [[parental]]

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career it is important that every individual undergo the parental

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[[experience]]. Because until you can [[understand]] this, it is [[difficult]]

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experience. Because until you can understand this, it is difficult

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to understand how [[the Father]] loves you. Does this help?

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to understand how the Father loves you. Does this help?

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Q: Yes. It helps some, but I'm still struggling with...there seems to

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Q: Yes. It helps some, but I'm still [[struggling]] with...there seems to

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be sometimes a sense of people, I don't know quite how to describe

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be sometimes a sense of people, I don't know quite how to [[describe]]

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it. I suppose I get the sense that they just don't want to make

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it. I [[suppose]] I get the sense that they just don't want to make

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the effort to struggle to understand the differences or they just

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the [[effort]] to struggle to understand the [[differences]] or they just

want,...well perhaps that's it, perhaps they don't want to make the

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effort somehow to try to grow in their understanding. So that

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[[effort]] somehow to try to grow in their understanding. So that

becomes an easy way to dismiss making that effort. Does that make

any sense?

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A: We are speaking in very general terms here. It would help if I had

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A: We are [[speaking]] in very general terms here. It would help if I had

a specific instance to comment on. However, do these situations

tend to occur when you are attempting to make contact with an

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individual that you feel could benefit from learning these truths

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[[individual]] that you feel could benefit from learning these [[truths]]

that you have acquired?

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Q: Yes, the conversations occurred after our session last Friday night

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===='''''[[Love]]'''''====

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when we began the discussion of the difference between ~~fatherly~~ and

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Q: Yes, the [[conversations]] occurred after our session last Friday night

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~~brotherly~~ love; and it was with people who had attended that session

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when we began the discussion of the [[difference]] between [[father]]ly and

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and they tended to dismiss the importance of understanding that

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[[brother]]ly [[love]]; and it was with people who had attended that session

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and they tended to dismiss the importance of [[understanding]] that

there was a difference between brotherly and fatherly love and that

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all that mattered was that there was love and that again, why bother

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all that mattered was that there was [[love]] and that again, why bother

to make any differentiation?

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A: The differentiation is important, but an individual must come to

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A: The differentiation is important, but an [[individual]] must come to

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this realization within themselves. It should not be such a

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this [[realization]] within themselves. It should not be such a

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difficult distinction. Part of your assignment this past week was

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[[difficult]] distinction. Part of your assignment this past week was

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to consider this. Can anyone else offer any advice in this area?

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to [[consider]] this. Can anyone else offer any [[advice]] in this area?

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Q: Does it help us to understand the Father's love better if we can

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Q: Does it help us to [[understand]] [[the Father]]'s [[love]] better if we can

separate a fatherly love from brotherly love?

A: Yes.

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Q: Well, when it states in the book that you love your brother as

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Q: Well, when it states in [[Urantia Book|the book]] that you [[love]] your brother as

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yourself, it'll manifest itself in unselfish and loving social

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yourself, it'll [[manifest]] itself in [[unselfish]] and loving [[social]]

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service. However, I think Jesus wanted us to love each other more

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[[service]]. However, I think [[Jesus]] wanted us to [[love]] each other more

than just brothers. He wanted us to love each other as Jesus loves

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us. Jesus had dual nature; he was our brother and also our Creator.

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us. Jesus had dual nature; he was our brother and also our [[Creator]].

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In talking to his apostles, he gave them seven lists of what a

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In talking to his [[apostles]], he gave them seven lists of what a

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father does versus what you would do, I guess, for your brother; and

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[[father]] does versus what you would do, I guess, for your [[brother]]; and

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this were like the fact of existence, you have your origin in your

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this were like the [[fact]] of [[existence]], you have your [[origin]] in your

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parents, you inherit your parents' traits. The father wants to give

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[[parents]], you inherit your parents' traits. The father wants to give

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you security, possibly pleasure, to his children. The father wants

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you [[security]], possibly [[pleasure]], to his children. The father wants

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to be responsible for education and training, for discipline and

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to be [[responsible]] for [[education]] and [[training]], for [[discipline]] and

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restraint, for companionship and loyalty, for love and mercy and

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restraint, for [[companionship]] and [[loyalty]], for [[love]] and [[mercy]] and

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providing for the future.

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providing for the [[future]].

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Now I'm a little confused. Is this the kind of love that Jesus

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Now I'm a little confused. Is this the kind of [[love]] that [[Jesus]]

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wants us to feel for, obviously the kind of love to feel for our

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wants us to [[feel]] for, obviously the kind of love to feel for our

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children, and also the kind of love that the Father feels for us,

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[[children]], and also the kind of love that [[the Father]] feels for us,

but is this list the kind of love that He wants us to feel for our

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brothers. And if this is true, how can we feel that really kind of

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[[brothers]]. And if this is true, how can we feel that really kind of

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love without interfering and maybe giving advice and giving help

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[[love]] without interfering and maybe giving [[advice]] and giving help

or...something that's not wanted.

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A: That list is a list of the outworking, the effect of the parental

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A: That list is a list of the outworking, the [[effect]] of the [[parental]]

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love. Consider it this way. The commandment to love your brother

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[[love]]. Consider it this way. The [[commandment]] to [[love]] your brother

as you love yourself places a certain importance on yourself. Isn't

that so?

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Q: Yes.

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A: And yet parental love transcends self in a different way. Does this

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A: And yet [[140:5 Fatherly and Brotherly Love|parental love]] [[transcends]] self in a [[different]] way. Does this

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stimulate any ideas?

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[[stimulate]] any [[ideas]]?

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Q: It's unconditional. It's love that's given just because of (words

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Q: It's unconditional. It's [[love]] that's given just because of (words

lost) because you have a particular characteristic. It's just the

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fact that you exist, you are a member of God's family and you should

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[[fact]] that you exist, you are a member of [[God]]'s [[family]] and you should

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be loved for that fact alone.

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be loved for that [[fact]] [[alone]].

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Q: It seems like if we could have that kind of love for one another

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Q: It seems like if we could have that kind of [[love]] for one another

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more, we would increase the sense of oneness that we're seeking. It

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more, we would increase the sense of [[oneness]] that we're seeking. It

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almost feels like to me that just the way we perceive brotherly love

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almost feels like to me that just the way we [[perceive]] brotherly love

is somewhat short of that?

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Q: It seems like it's also a matter of experience. When you love your

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Q: It seems like it's also a matter of [[experience]]. When you [[love]] your

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brother as yourself, you have to have an understanding of yourself

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brother as yourself, you have to have an [[understanding]] of yourself

at that level, I guess, in order to love your brother. But when you

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love someone as the Father loves or as your father loves you, you've

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love someone as [[the Father]] loves or as your father loves you, you've

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had that experience.

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had that [[experience]].

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A parent has had a different experience in life, or more experiences

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than their child has; and it's that perspective which enables them,

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A parent has had a [[different]] [[experience]] in life, or more experiences

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in a lot of ways, to be more selfless and giving because they know

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than their child has; and it's that [[perspective]] which enables them,

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in a lot of ways, to be more [[selfless]] and giving because they know

where the child is coming from, they know where the child is going

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to. You may not have that perspective with your brother.

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to. You may not have that [[perspective]] with your [[brother]].

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Q: But Jesus wanted us to love our brothers like he loved us. He

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Q: But [[Jesus]] wanted us to love our brothers like he loved us. He

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wanted to love them in a fatherly way.

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wanted to love them in a [[140:5 Fatherly and Brotherly Love|fatherly way]].

Q: But you know, when Norsen was here, and somebody asked him when he

was with us, if he was loving us and if his approach was more

fatherly or brotherly, he said that when he was teaching his

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approach was fatherly. I got the impression it was because he had

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approach was [[fatherly]]. I got the impression it was because he had

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wisdom, I guess, to pass on and share with us that we didn't have.

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[[wisdom]], I guess, to pass on and [[share]] with us that we didn't have.

But he also said that when he was not teaching that he looked at us

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as brothers and sisters. So I guess there's a place for both in our

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as [[brothers and sisters]]. So I guess there's a place for both in our

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relationships with other people.

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[[relationships]] with other people.

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Q: Remember, too, Jesus never gave advice unless it was asked for. So

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Q: [[Remember]], too, [[Jesus]] never gave [[advice]] unless it was asked for. So

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he loved the people he encountered as both a brother would and as a

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he [[loved]] the people he encountered as both a brother would and as a

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father would. So I don't necessarily think it means that to love

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father would. So I don't [[necessarily]] [[think]] it means that to [[love]]

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someone as a father means that you have to interfere in their life

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someone as a [[father]] means that you have to [[interfere]] in their life

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or give counsel. I think it has to do more with just the attitude

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or give [[counsel]]. I think it has to do more with just the [[attitude]]

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or the feeling of love. As you can imagine, if we all manifested

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or the [[feeling]] of [[love]]. As you can [[imagine]], if we all [[manifested]]

that feeling from inside, we wouldn't be interfering, we would just

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simply be sharing.

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simply be [[sharing]].

So I can see where it could definitely be a dual role, especially if

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you understand as Mary said, what it's like to be a parent, to be

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you [[understand]] as Mary said, what it's like to be a [[parent]], to be

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the giver of life, to be responsible for education and religious

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the giver of life, to be [[responsible]] for [[education]] and [[religious]]

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training and these things, where we're really not for our brothers

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[[training]] and these things, where we're really not for our [[brothers

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and sisters. Yet, I suppose in the bigger picture we are, inasmuch

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and sisters]]. Yet, I [[suppose]] in the bigger picture we are, inasmuch

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as we're all part of the same planet, part of the same system and

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as we're all part of the same [[planet]], part of the same [[the System|system]] and

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the same universe.

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the same [[Local Universe|universe]].

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===='''''[[Parenting]]''''', '''''[[Experience]]'''''====

Q: You know, I made the same comment last week. Is it even possible to

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understand that parental side of love without experiencing the

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[[understand]] that [[parental]] side of [[love]] without [[experiencing]] the

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actual parental experience?

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actual [[parental]] experience?

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Q: Probably by seeing what the love of parents who have children. I

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Q: Probably by seeing what the [[love]] of [[parents]] who have [[children]]. I

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think the people around you would probably give you a feeling of

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think the people around you would probably give you a [[feeling]] of

what it would be like.

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Q: I don't know, I wonder, because as I understand the text, we will

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Q: I don't know, I [[wonder]], because as I [[understand]] the [[text]], we will

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all raise children, either on this planet or the next; and I think

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[[45:6 Adamic Training of Ascenders|all raise children, either on this planet or the next]]; and I think

it's because of that reason that we need to have that hands-on

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personal experience of what it means to actually be a parent, to

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[[personal]] [[experience]] of what it means to actually be a [[parent]], to

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know that love.

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know that [[love]].

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Q: I think too, that having a step-child before I had a child of my

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Q: I think too, that having a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepchildren step-child] before I had a child of my

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own, that after I had the child of my own, my love increased for my

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own, that after I had the child of my own, my [[love]] increased for my

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step-child and my understanding of nurturing him was increased. So

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step-child and my [[understanding]] of nurturing him was increased. So

it did help me.

Q: But that doesn't mean to imply that because you're not a parent on

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this planet, that you are any less loving.

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this [[planet]], that you are any less loving.

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Q: To me, when my daughter was born, I had some life decisions to make

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Q: To me, when my daughter was [[born]], I had some life [[decisions]] to make

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about my career and stuff; but I remember looking at her, and it's

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about my [[career]] and stuff; but I remember looking at her, and it's

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kind of like a perspective of being (?) something much larger than

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kind of like a [[perspective]] of [[being]] (?) something much larger than

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this planet. Understanding our careers, I guess, is a whole

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this [[planet]]. [[Understanding]] our careers, I guess, is a whole

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different perspective looking at our day-to-day problems. I think

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different [[perspective]] looking at our day-to-day [[problems]]. I think

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it did that for me even without that kind of knowledge. It was like

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it did that for me even without that kind of [[knowledge]]. It was like

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you know, so many years in this life was not significant in relation

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you know, so many years in this life was not significant in [[relation]]

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to what you have and what the relationship is and the love you feel.

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to what you have and what the relationship is and the [[love]] you [[feel]].

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But I think you can still express that ~~fatherly~~ love on some levels

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But I [[think]] you can still [[express]] that [[father]]ly love on some levels

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without that experience.

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without that [[experience]].

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Q: I agree. Look how people who don't have children still give of

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Q: I [[agree]]. Look how people who don't have [[children]] still give of

themselves. And it's the parental fashion, they give because they

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see that they have experiences that they can pass on, that they can

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see that they have [[experiences]] that they can pass on, that they can

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help someone with. It is in, from my understanding, the same

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help someone with. It is in, from my [[understanding]], the same

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attitude that Norsen was trying to explain. They're taking

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[[attitude]] that Norsen was trying to [[explain]]. They're taking

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responsibility actually for someone learning something from them,

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[[responsibility]] actually for someone learning something from them,

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and they're doing it with the intention of helping that person to

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and they're doing it with the [[intention]] of helping that [[person]] to

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grow to another plane. You know, teachers do that, whether they

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grow to another [[plane]]. You know, [[teachers]] do that, whether they

have kids or not.

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Q: Or giving someone...or looking at someone and recognizing them as a

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Q: Or giving someone...or looking at someone and [[recognizing]] them as a

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part of God, as one of God's children when viewing Jesus when you

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[[part]] of [[God]], as one of God's [[children]] when viewing [[Jesus]] when you

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look at them. I think you're giving them a sense of acceptance and

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look at them. I think you're giving them a sense of [[acceptance]] and

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existence, allowing them to be who they are and creating an

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[[existence]], allowing them to be who they are and creating an

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environment in which they can grow to be what they can be. I think

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[[environment]] in which they can grow to be what they can be. I think

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when our judgments come in, or even when we choose not to see people

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when our [[judgments]] come in, or even when we choose not to see people

that way, that's a judgment.

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Q: I think another thing we have to be very mindful of in reading

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Q: I think another thing we have to be very mindful of in [[reading]]

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anything from the text, especially in relation to the life and

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anything from the [[text]], especially in [[relation]] to the life and

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teachings, is that Jesus lived his life for all of his universe. So

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teachings, is that [[Jesus]] lived his life for all of [[his universe]]. So

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when he says things, he's talking to more than just the humans of

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when he says things, he's talking to more than just the [[humans]] of

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our planet. And my point is that he's also addressing the Welmeks

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our [[planet]]. And my point is that he's also addressing the Welmeks

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of the universe who are growing up on Light and Life worlds, they

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of the [[universe]] who are growing up on [[Light and Life]] worlds, they

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need insight also.

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need [[insight]] also.

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I'm not so sure that for us, in our meager existence on this

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I'm not so sure that for us, in our meager [[existence]] on this

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isolated sphere, it's important to truly be able to distinguish

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[[isolated]] [[sphere]], it's important to truly be able to distinguish

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between the Father's love and the love for a brother. I think

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between [[the Father]]'s [[love]] and the love for a [[brother]]. I think

what's important for us is that we feel the love. I mean we are at

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ground zero compared to a Welmek who has the insight that can

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ground zero compared to a [[Welmek]] who has the [[insight]] that can

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probably be able to get a much better grasp of a love for the Father

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probably be able to get a much better grasp of a love for [[the Father]]

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versus the love for his brothers and sisters and a much deeper

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versus the love for his [[brothers and sisters]] and a much deeper

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understanding of the true significance of what Jesus said.

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[[understanding]] of the true significance of what [[Jesus]] said.

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For us to struggle with the fact that I don't quite understand the

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For us to [[struggle]] with the [[fact]] that I don't quite [[understand]] the

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difference and it confuses me, I think we miss the point. I think

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[[difference]] and it [[confuses]] me, I think we miss the [[point]]. I think

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that the point, again, for us is the teachers have all been

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that the point, again, for us is the [[teachers]] have all been

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instructing us to do is to feel this love inside. Don't put the

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instructing us to do is to [[feel]] this [[love]] inside. Don't put the

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label of necessarily the Father or for the brother. Manifest the

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label of necessarily [[the Father]] or for the [[brother]]. [[Manifest]] the

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love toward another as though that person were Jesus.

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love toward another as though that [[person]] were [[Jesus]].

I can say I have actively been trying to do that. It is really

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difficult for me because each person I encounter I have to re-gear

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[[difficult]] for me because each [[person]] I encounter I have to re-gear

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and I'm constantly trying to re-think, "This is another Jesus" and I

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and I'm constantly trying to re-think, "This is another [[Jesus]]" and I

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want to start acting like it really was him; and I forget and get

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want to start [[acting]] like it really was him; and I forget and get

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wrapped up in routine, so on and so forth. But when I do it, there

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wrapped up in [[routine]], so on and so forth. But when I do it, there

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is a significant feeling within that is undeniable. And how the

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is a significant [[feeling]] within that is undeniable. And how the

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other person responds, I'm not really very concerned about because I

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other [[person]] [[responds]], I'm not really very concerned about because I

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know I can't control them anyway. I'm mostly concerned now about my

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know I can't [[control]] them anyway. I'm mostly concerned now about my

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love for them rather than their reaction to my love for them.

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[[love]] for them rather than their [[reaction]] to my [[love]] for them.

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I think, again, this is what both Jesus and the teachers are saying.

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I think, again, this is what both [[Jesus]] and the [[teachers]] are saying.

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If we could achieve that each time we encounter someone, where would

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If we could [[achieve]] that each time we encounter someone, where would

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we be in our spiritual growth? Will we have achieved that which we

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we be in our [[spiritual]] [[growth]]? Will we have achieved that which we

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set out for? The feelings that I had were, again, very calm peace

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set out for? The [[feelings]] that I had were, again, very calm [[peace]]

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of mind, and that's certainly some of my objectives to find in life.

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of [[mind]], and that's certainly some of my objectives to find in life.

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But it just doesn't happen. It takes effort. It takes hard work.

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But it just doesn't happen. It takes [[effort]]. It takes hard [[work]].

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There's no magic wand that says okay, now you're going to go treat

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There's no [[magic]] [[wand]] that says okay, now you're going to go treat

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everybody like it's Jesus. You really have to engage the person and

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everybody like it's [[Jesus]]. You really have to [[engage]] the [[person]] and

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think of them and feel for them in that way. It's had a significant

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[[think]] of them and feel for them in that way. It's had a significant

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impact on me, to the point that it encourages me to try it again and

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[[impact]] on me, to the point that it [[encourages]] me to try it again and

to keep on trying it because I know what I felt. I know how it

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changed my perspective.

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changed my [[perspective]].

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Q: At the same time, if you don't achieve that every time, you can't

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Q: At the same time, if you don't [[achieve]] that every time, you can't

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crucify yourself either. You have to just keep going on and that's

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[[crucify]] yourself either. You have to just keep going on and that's

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something I think many people have a tendency to do. You know you

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something I [[think]] many people have a tendency to do. You know you

realize you're not perfect and you're so hard on yourself that you

have to say, "Well I didn't do it this time, I'll just have to try

it next time."

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Q: And the challenge is in the case of what Mark said and we all have

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Q: And the [[challenge]] is in the case of what Mark said and we all have

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this in our jobs or in interpersonal relationships, there are these

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this in our jobs or in interpersonal [[relationships]], there are these

people that make these off-the-wall comments that your initial

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response is you want to smack them beside the head because it's such

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[[response]] is you want to smack them beside the head because it's such

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a stupid thing for you say, for that person to be saying; but as

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a stupid thing for you say, for that [[person]] to be saying; but as

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Welmek said, you know, how did Jesus respond when he was being

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[[Welmek]] said, you know, how did [[Jesus]] respond when he was being

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nailed to the cross? Certainly a little more painful and more long-

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[[Crucifixion|nailed to the cross]]? Certainly a little more [[painful]] and more long-

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lasting than a snooty remark by somebody. His response was "Father

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lasting than a snooty remark by somebody. His [[response]] was "[[187:2 The Crucifixion|Father

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forgive them, they just don't know what they're doing." And if we

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forgive them, they just don't know what they're doing]]." And if we

can really start to incorporate that, not that we're saying "Father,

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look how much better I am than that person is, but forgive them

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look how much better I am than that [[person]] is, but [[forgive]] them

because they don't know they're really hurting me, or obviously they

don't know you."

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Q: Well, they're in trouble tomorrow, I can tell you. (laughter) I've

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Q: Well, they're in trouble tomorrow, I can tell you. ([[laughter]]) I've

got more ammunition.

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Q: Welmek, what would you say is the difference between fatherly and

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Q: Welmek, what would you say is the [[difference]] between [[140:5 Fatherly and Brotherly Love|fatherly and

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brotherly love?

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brotherly love]]?

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A: It is for me a matter of perspective. The perspective of a father's

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A: It is for me a matter of [[perspective]]. The perspective of a [[father]]'s

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love is so much more all-encompassing than the love a brother has

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[[love]] is so much more all-[[encompassing]] than the love a [[brother]] has

for a brother or a sister. I would like you in the next week to

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consider this. Again, we will talk about this again in the future.

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consider this. Again, we will talk about this again in the [[future]].

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Think about what has been said. You have your transcripts from last

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Think about what has been said. You have your [[transcripts]] from last

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week with the comments made there. Continue to study your text for

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week with the comments made there. Continue to [[study]] [[Urantia text|your text]] for

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these references. There is a difference. It may not seem important

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these [[references]]. There is a [[difference]]. It may not seem important

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to you, to some of you, but it is important in your ability to view

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to you, to some of you, but it is important in your [[ability]] to view

your fellow man and in your ability to develop the depth of

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affection for him that the Master was asking for.

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[[affection]] for him that [[the Master]] was asking for.

===Closing===

We'll conclude this session now. During this week, I am going to

give you an assignment. I would like you to try what David has

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been trying. At least once every day, select an individual and

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been trying. At least once every day, select an [[individual]] and

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attempt to see the Master in that person. It will be interesting to

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attempt to see [[the Master]] in that [[person]]. It will be interesting to

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hear your comments on a future occasion.

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hear your comments on a [[future]] occasion.

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For now, my friends...(tape ended)-

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For now, my [[friends]]...(tape ended)-

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