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===Group: [[Indianapolis TeaM]]===

===Group: [[Indianapolis TeaM]]===

==Facilitators==

==Facilitators==

===Teacher: [[Norson]], [[Oren]]===

===Teacher: [[Norson]], [[Oren]], [[Andrew]], [[Andrea]]===

 

===TR: [[Unknown]]===

===TR: [[Unknown]]===

== Session==

== Session==

===Opening===

===Opening===

NORSON: Good evening [[brothers and sisters]]. This is NORSON. As [[Welmek]] instructed you last week, I and some [[visitors]] will be providing the lesson for this evening. Tonight we will first provide a lesson on the [[nature]] of [[love]]; following that I will entertain [[questions]]. And after that there are some [[visitors]] who would like to share a few [[words]] with you.

NORSON: Good evening [[brothers and sisters]]. This is Norson. As [[Welmek]] instructed you last week, I and some [[visitors]] will be providing the lesson for this evening. Tonight we will first provide a lesson on the [[nature]] of [[love]]; following that I will entertain [[questions]]. And after that there are some [[visitors]] who would like to share a few [[words]] with you.

 

===Lesson===

===Lesson===

===='''''[[Love]]'''''====

===='''''[[Love]]'''''====

[[Love]] is a [[word]] in your [[language]] that has as many [[meanings]] as there are [[individuals]] on [[your planet]]. Like all [[words]] such as [[faith]], your [[understanding]] of [[love]] grows as you grow. If there were one "[[definition]]" for the word, it is the definition that was given in your previous lessons and is from [[your text]]. That is, "[[Love]] is the [[desire]] to do [[good]] to others."([[56:10 Truth, Beauty, and Goodness|56:10.21]]) [[Your text]] also emphasizes the importance of a [[parent]]-[[child]] [[relationship]]. The reason is that [[parental]] [[love]] is a [[different]] aspect, a somewhat different [[manifestation]] of love than the [[love]] you have for your [[spouse]] that is also associated with [[affection]]. The love that a [[parent]] has for a child comes closest to the love that [[the Father]] has for each of you; for in [[truth]], you are all sons and daughters of [[the Father]], your heavenly [[parent]]. It is also important to try to come to an [[understanding]] of the distinction between this [[parental]] or fatherly love and [[brotherly]] love, the [[love]] you have for your sisters and brothers. As you go about your daily [[routine]], you have been instructed to look at each of your [[brothers and sisters]] and to try to envision either the [[Father fragment]] within them or [[Michael]] within them. It really does not matter, whatever you [[feel]] most comfortable with is fine. You have been instructed to treat that person in the way you would if you truly sensed that [[the Father]] or [[Michael]] were within that [[person]]. Stop for just a [[moment]] and look at one of your [[brothers and sisters]] in this room. Gaze into their eyes, and [[envision]] that the [[love]] of [[the Father]] or of [[Michael]] is there within them, wanting to be released, wanting to [[flow]] outward. Stop and do this for a [[moment]]. (pause) I [[realize]] that this may seem a little [[difficult]], may seem a little awkward, since many of you may not know each other well. But this is exactly the [[point]]. No matter who you meet in your daily life, [[strangers]] that you pass upon the street walking by, you must begin to [[realize]] that they have this same [[potential]] within them. You may look at someone and you may see that [[physically]] they may not be [[attractive]] to you. You may [[feel]] that they are not particularly bright [[intellectually]], and you might even sense that [[spiritually]] they seem [[asleep]]. Yet I wish to attest and [[confirm]] to you that this [[Father fragment]] dwells within each and every one. As you [[learn]] to [[love]] your [[brothers and sisters]], you are learning to say to yourself "What can I do that would be [[good]] for this [[person]]?" Oftentimes, you want to sit down with them and have them sit at your feet so to [[speak]], and let yourself expound upon all that you have [[learned]] and all that you know. Yet this may be too much. You must start in small ways, a [[smile]], a [[kind]] [[word]], helping them in a troubling situation, doing small [[favors]] for them. You should not underestimate the importance of these [[things]]. While it might seem small to you, again you must [[realize]] that the [[Father fragment]] is within them waiting to [[adjust]] their [[minds]]. When something [[positive]] happens to them, this is, in a sense, [[spiritual]] [[food]] for their own spirit, their own [[Thought Adjuster]], to utilize in helping to [[adjust]] their [[mind]].

[[Love]] is a [[word]] in your [[language]] that has as many [[meanings]] as there are [[individuals]] on [[your planet]]. Like all [[words]] such as [[faith]], your [[understanding]] of [[love]] grows as you grow. If there were one "[[definition]]" for the word, it is the definition that was given in your previous lessons and is from [[your text]]. That is, "[[Love]] is the [[desire]] to do [[good]] to others."([[56:10 Truth, Beauty, and Goodness|56:10.21]])

 

[[Your text]] also emphasizes the importance of a [[parent]]-[[child]] [[relationship]]. The reason is that [[parental]] [[love]] is a [[different]] aspect, a somewhat different [[manifestation]] of love than the [[love]] you have for your [[spouse]] that is also associated with [[affection]]. The love that a [[parent]] has for a child comes closest to the love that [[the Father]] has for each of you; for in [[truth]], you are all sons and daughters of [[the Father]], your heavenly [[parent]].  

 

It is also important to try to come to an [[understanding]] of the distinction between this [[parental]] or fatherly love and [[brotherly]] love, the [[love]] you have for your sisters and brothers. As you go about your daily [[routine]], you have been instructed to look at each of your [[brothers and sisters]] and to try to envision either the [[Father fragment]] within them or [[Michael]] within them. It really does not matter, whatever you [[feel]] most comfortable with is fine. You have been instructed to treat that person in the way you would if you truly sensed that [[the Father]] or [[Michael]] were within that [[person]].  

[[Suppose]] for [[example]] that a [[person]] was having a [[difficult]] day and had many bad [[experiences]], and you give a warm [[smile]] or [[kind]] [[word]]. As you know from [[your text]], a little bit of [[good]] can overcome a lot of bad. Their [[Adjuster]] might be able to [[impress]] upon their [[mind]] or [[adjust]] their [[thinking]] to [[realize]] that no matter how many bad or [[difficult]] things happen in their day, that there are still [[good]] people in the world and that despite all of the [[problems]], [[love]] still [[dominates]]. This can make them have the [[courage]] and the [[strength]] and the [[faith]] to face many more [[difficulties]], many more [[challenges]] in their life. Does it seem somewhat remarkable to you that such a small thing could become so important to someone else? I say to you now that this is [[absolutely]] true. You cannot underestimate the importance of such [[things]] in your life. Is this so [[difficult]] for you to do? Do you have to really go out of your way or be burdened by [[performing]] such small [[acts]] for your [[brothers and sisters]]? Some of you [[think]] you must do great [[things]], but we are here to say it is often the small [[things]] that can be the most important. This is what is meant by doing [[good]] for others. Of course if you get to know them and you have an [[opportunity]] to [[share]] [[God]]'s [[love]] with them, this is also something that you most certainly want to do. But it is pointed out only to make a [[distinction]] that not all situations will be so opportune, that you must look for the little [[things]] and try to do them as best you can. You would be [[surprised]] at how many [[opportunities]] you pass up every day in your life to do these small things because you are more concerned or [[think]] it is more important to do the greater things. Do not make this [[judgment]]. Allow yourself to allow [[God]]'s [[love]] to [[flow]] through you in small things as well as bigger [[things]]. Look for these [[opportunities]] each day. Do not be the [[judge]]. Let [[God]] be the judge of what this person needs and how much they can absorb at a particular [[time]]. As you know, if you are able to do this, and [[circumstances]] would allow that this person would come to know you better, then they might open up to you and ask the kinds of [[questions]] that you want so badly to provide the answer for. This is the [[nature]] of brotherly concern, of [[brotherly]] [[love]]. [[Parental]], fatherly [[love]], is somewhat [[different]]. It goes beyond this step of brotherly love. It adds new [[dimensions]] to it. One of the differences is that as a [[parent]], you are more [[responsible]] for guiding your [[children]] than you are your [[brothers and sisters]]. This is a large [[responsibility]]. All of you who have had the [[experience]] of [[parenting]] know how [[difficult]] this can be at times. What is the right thing to do, how to [[guide]] your child in a way that allows their [[freedom]] and their [[spirit]] to [[grow]], but yet would not put them into harmful situations. These are [[difficult]] assessments, difficult [[judgments]]. [[The Father]] indwells each of you, and the Father is your [[parent]], your guide. He [[provides]] that [[function]] for you. While you do not always [[understand]] that at the time, and while you sometimes move in [[directions]] that you rebel against, you must [[learn]] to follow His [[wisdom]]. You must learn to follow His way. You must learn to [[trust]] His [[guidance]] and His [[judgment]], just as you wish your own child would trust your [[guidance]]. You must admit that having a [[perfect]] guide inside you is somewhat easier to [[trust]] than your own children trusting you with your [[limited]] [[human]] [[judgment]]. But yet, what is your [[desire]] with your [[children]]? Your desire is to [[love]] them, to see them grow [[healthy]], to see them be [[happy]] and to guide them in a way that they will reach their full [[potential]]. This is exactly the same [[guidance]], the same goals that the [[Adjuster]] has for each of you. This is, again, why [[your text]] emphasizes the importance of the [[parental]] [[experience]], because [[love]] associated with the [[wisdom]] [[necessary]] for this [[guidance]] is part of that experience and will help you [[understand]] what the [[Adjuster]] is trying to do for each of you.  

 

 

 

[[Suppose]] for [[example]] that a [[person]] was having a [[difficult]] day and had many bad [[experiences]], and you give a warm [[smile]] or [[kind]] [[word]]. As you know from [[your text]], a little bit of [[good]] can overcome a lot of bad. Their [[Adjuster]] might be able to [[impress]] upon their [[mind]] or [[adjust]] their [[thinking]] to [[realize]] that no matter how many bad or [[difficult]] things happen in their day, that there are still [[good]] people in the world and that despite all of the [[problems]], [[love]] still [[dominates]]. This can make them have the [[courage]] and the [[strength]] and the [[faith]] to face many more [[difficulties]], many more [[challenges]] in their life.  

 

Does it seem somewhat remarkable to you that such a small thing could become so important to someone else? I say to you now that this is [[absolutely]] true. You cannot underestimate the importance of such [[things]] in your life. Is this so [[difficult]] for you to do? Do you have to really go out of your way or be burdened by [[performing]] such small [[acts]] for your [[brothers and sisters]]? Some of you [[think]] you must do great [[things]], but we are here to say it is often the small [[things]] that can be the most important.  

 

This is what is meant by doing [[good]] for others. Of course if you get to know them and you have an [[opportunity]] to [[share]] [[God]]'s [[love]] with them, this is also something that you most certainly want to do. But it is pointed out only to make a [[distinction]] that not all situations will be so opportune, that you must look for the little [[things]] and try to do them as best you can.  

 

You would be [[surprised]] at how many [[opportunities]] you pass up every day in your life to do these small things because you are more concerned or [[think]] it is more important to do the greater things. Do not make this [[judgment]]. Allow yourself to allow [[God]]'s [[love]] to [[flow]] through you in small things as well as bigger [[things]]. Look for these [[opportunities]] each day. Do not be the [[judge]]. Let [[God]] be the judge of what this person needs and how much they can absorb at a particular [[time]]. As you know, if you are able to do this, and [[circumstances]] would allow that this person would come to know you better, then they might open up to you and ask the kinds of [[questions]] that you want so badly to provide the answer for. This is the [[nature]] of brotherly concern, of [[brotherly]] [[love]].  

 

[[Parental]], fatherly [[love]], is somewhat [[different]]. It goes beyond this step of brotherly love. It adds new [[dimensions]] to it. One of the differences is that as a [[parent]], you are more [[responsible]] for guiding your [[children]] than you are your [[brothers and sisters]]. This is a large [[responsibility]]. All of you who have had the [[experience]] of [[parenting]] know how [[difficult]] this can be at times. What is the right thing to do, how to [[guide]] your child in a way that allows their [[freedom]] and their [[spirit]] to [[grow]], but yet would not put them into harmful situations. These are [[difficult]] assessments, difficult [[judgments]].  

 

[[The Father]] indwells each of you, and the Father is your [[parent]], your guide. He [[provides]] that [[function]] for you. While you do not always [[understand]] that at the time, and while you sometimes move in [[directions]] that you rebel against, you must [[learn]] to follow His [[wisdom]]. You must learn to follow His way. You must learn to [[trust]] His [[guidance]] and His [[judgment]], just as you wish your own child would trust your [[guidance]]. You must admit that having a [[perfect]] guide inside you is somewhat easier to [[trust]] than your own children trusting you with your [[limited]] [[human]] [[judgment]]. But yet, what is your [[desire]] with your [[children]]? Your desire is to [[love]] them, to see them grow [[healthy]], to see them be [[happy]] and to guide them in a way that they will reach their full [[potential]]. This is exactly the same [[guidance]], the same goals that the [[Adjuster]] has for each of you. This is, again, why [[your text]] emphasizes the importance of the [[parental]] [[experience]], because [[love]] associated with the [[wisdom]] [[necessary]] for this [[guidance]] is part of that experience and will help you [[understand]] what the [[Adjuster]] is trying to do for each of you. ([[47:1 The Finaliters' World|47:1.6]])

I will stop now, and I will entertain [[questions]] about this lesson or about other [[topics]] concerned with your [[spiritual growth]].

I will stop now, and I will entertain [[questions]] about this lesson or about other [[topics]] concerned with your [[spiritual growth]].

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

Q. Norson, it seems to me that it is not [[human]] [[nature]] to [[love]]. It seems as though our [[animal]] [[instincts]] are just quite the [[opposite]]. When we [[resurrect]] and have [[morontial]] form or morontial nature, is it easier, is it more [[automatic]] to [[love]] than it is for us here now?

Q. Norson, it seems to me that it is not [[human]] [[nature]] to [[love]]. It seems as though our [[animal]] [[instincts]] are just quite the [[opposite]]. When we [[resurrect]] and have [[morontial]] form or morontial nature, is it easier, is it more [[automatic]] to [[love]] than it is for us here now?

A. You must learn to make [[wise]] [[judgments]] and you must learn to [[assess]] what is appropriate for this [[person]]. You can overteach the child; you can "overlove" the [[person]] in a sense that what you are trying to offer, the way you are trying to [[manifest]] this [[love]] may be too uncomfortable, may be more than what this person can [[understand]] at any given time. So you must [[learn]] to [[listen]]. You must learn to watch. You must learn to detect the little [[things]] about this [[person]]. Look for small openings to do small things. Do not rush in and try to overteach or overlove. [[Accept]] people where they are. Do not throw your own [[expectations]] around them. Look at them, [[listen]] to them, try to [[understand]] them; and try to give them the [[spiritual]] [[food]] that is appropriate for them at the time. If you do this, and if your [[relationship]] with them continues over time, there will come a time when you may sit with them and you may feast upon the full [[vision]] of [[love]], as you [[understand]] it. But do not [[expect]] everyone to be able to [[understand]] this, at first.

A. You must learn to make [[wise]] [[judgments]] and you must learn to [[assess]] what is appropriate for this [[person]]. You can overteach the child; you can "overlove" the [[person]] in a sense that what you are trying to offer, the way you are trying to [[manifest]] this [[love]] may be too uncomfortable, may be more than what this person can [[understand]] at any given time. So you must [[learn]] to [[listen]]. You must learn to watch. You must learn to detect the little [[things]] about this [[person]]. Look for small openings to do small things. Do not rush in and try to overteach or overlove. [[Accept]] people where they are. Do not throw your own [[expectations]] around them. Look at them, [[listen]] to them, try to [[understand]] them; and try to give them the [[spiritual]] [[food]] that is appropriate for them at the time. If you do this, and if your [[relationship]] with them continues over time, there will come a time when you may sit with them and you may feast upon the full [[vision]] of [[love]], as you [[understand]] it. But do not [[expect]] everyone to be able to [[understand]] this, at first.

Q. Norson, as probably know, we are a curious lot. Are you willing to share with us what is your background, and what made you seek this mission?

Q. Norson, as (you)  probably know, we are a [[curious]] lot. Are you willing to [[share]] with us what is your background, and what made you seek [[this mission]]?

A. I am of the Melchizidek order of beings. Our order is described in your text. We basically perform in the universe as teachers and philosophers. My brother, Machiventa Melchizidek, is your planetary prince. Before his appointment, I served temporarily in this role, and was in charge of the receivership of your planet. As a Melchizidek, we are in charge of this mission, this teaching mission, and so it is my nature and it is my true desire to want to be part of this mission.

A. I am of the [[Melchizedeks|Melchizidek]] order of beings. Our order is [[described]] in [[your text]]. ([[35:2 The Melchizedek Sons|35:2]]) We basically [[perform]] in [[the universe]] as [[teachers]] and [[philosophers]]. My brother, [[Machiventa]] Melchizedek, is your [[planetary prince]]. Before his appointment, I served temporarily in this role, and was in charge of the [[Melchizedek Receivers|receivership]] of [[your planet]]. As a [[Melchizedek]], we are in charge of [[this mission]], this [[teaching mission]], and so it is my [[nature]] and it is my true [[desire]] to want to be part of [[this mission]].

Q. In the same vein, there, I take it to mean that you were never mortal then?

Q. In the same vein, there, I take it to mean that you were never [[mortal]] then?

A. I have never been a mortal.

A. I have never been a [[mortal]].

Q. NORSON, last week I was in Minneapolis and visited with the Twin Cities study group. The members of that group have indicated that they would like to have a teacher assigned to that group. I indicated that I would communicate back to Welmek, but he's not here, so I would communicate that to you.

Q. Norson, last week I was in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis,_Minnesota Minneapolis] and [[visited]] with the Twin Cities [[study]] group. The members of that group have indicated that they would like to have a teacher assigned to that group. I indicated that I would [[communicate]] back to [[Welmek]], but he's not here, so I would [[communicate]] that to you.

A. Understood. We will immediately begin to research this group and to discern what the possibilities are.

A. [[Understood]]. We will [[immediately]] begin to research this [[group]] and to [[discern]] what the [[possibilities]] are.

Q. Can you give us an update on Welmek's activities?

Q. Can you give us an update on [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-09-30-I_Am_Going_to_Salvington Welmek's activities]?

Q. Is he having a good time?

Q. Is he having a [[good]] time?

A. Welmek is having a wonderful time. (laughter) I would rather not comment as you might well understand. It would be more appropriate for my brother Welmek to return and to share with you his joy and what information he can. It would be inappropriate for me to speak for him or to presage what he might wish to say.

A. Welmek is having a [[wonderful]] time. ([[laughter]]) I would rather not comment as you might well [[understand]]. It would be more appropriate for my brother Welmek to return and to [[share]] with you his [[joy]] and what [[information]] he can. It would be inappropriate for me to [[speak]] for him or to presage what he might wish to say.

Q. If you have communication with Welmek, please let him know that we do miss him.

Q. If you have [[communication]] with Welmek, please let him know that we do miss him.

A. Welmek receives reports on the activities of your group as well as other activities while he is away.

A. Welmek receives reports on the [[activities]] of your [[group]] as well as other activities while he is away.

Q. How many active groups are there now?

Q. How many active [[groups]] are there now?

A. Approximately 45. But you must understand that when you say active what you mean and what we mean may be different. In our view, active means there are beings in a specific area who are assessing and researching the possibility of the assignment of a teacher to a particular group.

A. [https://www.nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:TeaM Approximately 45]. But you must [[understand]] that when you say active what you mean and what we mean may be [[different]]. In our view, [[active]] means there are beings in a specific area who are assessing and [[researching]] the [[possibility]] of the assignment of a [[teacher]] to a particular group.

Q. Do you forecast, say within a year from now, how many groups there will be?

Q. Do you [[forecast]], say within a year from now, how many groups there will be?

A. No, I do not wish to do that.

A. No, I do not wish to do that.

Q. NORSON, when we mention Gabriel or Machiventa or Welmek in our prayers to the Father, in positive ways, do you feel this? I mean to say, if I were to mention you particularly in my prayers to the Father, does this filter down to you so to speak?

Q. Norson, when we mention [[Gabriel]] or [[Machiventa]] or [[Welmek]] in our [[prayers]] to [[the Father]], in [[positive]] ways, do you [[feel]] this? I mean to say, if I were to mention you particularly in my prayers to [[the Father]], does this filter down to you so to [[speak]]?

A. In a way that I simply cannot explain to you, I am aware of such recognitions.

A. In a way that I simply cannot [[explain]] to you, I am [[aware]] of such [[recognition]]s.

Q. NORSON, specifically what things can our Bloomington group do to facilitate contact with a teacher?

Q. Norson, specifically what things can our Bloomington group do to [[facilitate]] [[contact]] with a [[teacher]]?

A. It would be helpful for your group to pray for a teacher. It would be helpful for the individuals of your group to discuss this mission and the opportunities that having a teacher might provide. In doing so, this may serve to motivate a member of your group to seek to perform the human function that David and Michael perform for this group.

A. It would be helpful for your [[group]] to [[pray]] for a [[teacher]]. It would be helpful for the [[individuals]] of your [[group]] to [[discuss]] [[this mission]] and the [[opportunities]] that having a teacher might provide. In doing so, this may serve to [[motivate]] a member of your group to seek to [[perform]] the human [[function]] that David and Michael perform for this group.

Q. NORSON, in the book in the thing on spirit and spiritual reality, it says that "All patterns of reality occupy space on the material levels, but spirit patterns only exist in relation to space; they do not occupy or displace space, neither do they contain it." So my question is, as a spirit, or do spirit beings occupy space in the same way that we do?

Q. Norson, in [[the book]] in the thing on spirit and spiritual reality, it says that "All [[patterns]] of [[reality]] occupy [[space]] on the [[material]] levels, but spirit patterns only exist in relation to space; they do not occupy or displace space, neither do they contain it." ([[118:3 Time-Space Relationships|118:3.7]]) So my question is, as a [[spirit]], or do spirit beings occupy [[space]] in the same way that we do?

A. The understanding of space and time is very difficult on your world. We could fill this room with literally hundreds of thousands of beings. Time and space are somewhat different than what you experience on your world, but conceptually there is almost no way for you to really understand this. When you pass on from mortal flesh and you awaken on the mansion worlds and you are able to look back upon the world and see mortals, you will immediately sense and better understand the difference in time and space. The explanation in your text is there primarily to help you understand simply that time and space are realities, but there is not enough information in your text to truly bring you to a full realization of our understanding of time and space. This can only occur when you can actually experience it. While it is important to think about these relationships because it will help structure your ways of thinking and help you understand, again, that these are realities, you will experience limitations in your ability to fully comprehend these concepts.

A. The [[understanding]] of [[space and time]] is very [[difficult]] on your world. We could fill this room with literally hundreds of thousands of [[beings]]. [[Time and space]] are somewhat [[different]] than what you [[experience]] on your world, but conceptually there is almost no way for you to really [[understand]] this. When you pass on from [[mortal]] [[flesh]] and you [[awaken]] on the [[mansion worlds]] and you are able to look back upon the world and see [[mortals]], you will immediately sense and better [[understand]] the [[difference]] in [[time and space]]. The [[explanation]] in [[your text]] is there primarily to help you [[understand]] simply that [[time and space]] are [[realities]], but there is not enough [[information]] in [[your text]] to truly bring you to a full [[realization]] of our [[understanding]] of time and space. This can only occur when you can actually [[experience]] it. While it is important to [[think]] about these [[relationships]] because it will help [[structure]] your ways of [[thinking]] and help you [[understand]], again, that these are [[realities]], you will experience [[limitations]] in your ability to fully [[comprehend]] these [[concepts]].

Q. NORSON, upon resurrecting on the mansion world, will we miss our loved ones on Urantia that are still here? Will we experience loneliness for them?

Q. Norson, upon [[resurrecting]] on the [[mansion world]], will we miss our loved ones on [[Urantia]] that are still here? Will we [[experience]] [[loneliness]] for them?

A. If you go away on a trip from your loved ones now, do you miss them?

A. If you go away on a trip from your loved ones now, do you miss them?

Q. Yes.

Q. Yes.

A. Do you find that if you are very busy on your trip that you do not think of them as much?

A. Do you find that if you are very [[busy]] on your trip that you do not think of them as much?

Q. That's true.

Q. That's true.

A. You will find when you awaken on the mansion worlds that your life will be filled with so many new things that you will be very busy; and you will also know that your loved ones who still remain on Urantia will soon be where you are. So there is a certain sense in which you miss them, but you will be so reassured of their destiny and their fate that you will truly not worry about them. And you will meet many new beings including angels who will be your constant companions. You will rejoice when your loved ones awaken on the mansion worlds; and as you know from your text, when you awaken on the mansion worlds, you are allowed some time to go and visit various loved ones or they can come and visit you. So the answer is yes, but it is a qualified yes. The loneliness that you might experience on this world by being separated from a loved one is often intensified because of your time not being filled and the circumstances which you find yourself in not being very beautiful or positive. Therefore you dwell upon the loved one more than you might in other circumstances, and this increases your intensive feelings, the intensity of your feeling of missing them.

A. You will find when you [[awaken]] on the [[mansion worlds]] that your life will be filled with so many new [[things]] that you will be very [[busy]]; and you will also know that your loved ones who still remain on [[Urantia]] will soon be where you are. So there is a certain sense in which you miss them, but you will be so [[reassured]] of their [[destiny]] and their fate that you will truly not worry about them. And you will meet many new [[beings]] including [[angels]] who will be your constant [[companions]]. You will [[rejoice]] when your loved ones [[awaken]] on the [[mansion worlds]]; and as you know from [[your text]], when you [[awaken]] on the [[mansion worlds]], you are allowed some time to go and [[visit]] various loved ones or they can come and visit you. So the answer is yes, but it is a qualified yes. The [[loneliness]] that you might [[experience]] on this world by being separated from a loved one is often [[intensified]] because of your [[time]] not being filled and the [[circumstances]] which you find yourself in not being very [[beautiful]] or [[positive]]. Therefore you dwell upon the loved one more than you might in other circumstances, and this increases your [[intensive]] [[feelings]], the intensity of your feeling of missing them.

 

Q. NORSON, were you present on the planet when Michael lived his bestowal life here?

Q. Norson, were you present on [[the planet]] when [[Michael]] lived [[Paper 120 - The Bestowal of Michael on Urantia|his bestowal life]] here?

A. No.

A. No.

Q. I assume you watched it on universe broadcasts.

Q. I [[assume]] you watched it on [[universe broadcasts]].

A. Yes. The entire local universe was kept abreast of the events of Michael's life. As your text tells you, Michael did not come to live his human life as Jesus of Nazareth just for the mortals of Uranti

A. Yes. The entire [[local universe]] was kept abreast of the [[events]] of [[Michael]]'s life. As [[your text]] tells you, [[Michael]] did not come to live his human life as [[Jesus]] of [[Nazareth]] just for the [[mortals]] of [[Urantia]]. ([[157:6 The Next Afternoon|157:6.3]])

A. You sometimes think this way, but it simply reflects your limited understanding. Michael lived his life as a human for all the worlds of his entire local universe. They were all made aware in various ways of his life and of his teachings. If you were to re-read his life and you would look at what is said, not only from the standpoint of how a mortal of your planet would view it, but also from the standpoint of how beings from far more advanced planets might also view it, you would increase your understanding of many of the things that Jesus has said.

A. You sometimes [[think]] this way, but it [[simply]] [[reflects]] your [[limited]] [[understanding]]. [[Michael]] lived his life as a [[human]] for all the worlds of his entire [[Nebadon|local universe]]. They were all made [[aware]] in various ways of [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus his life and of his teachings]. If you were to re-[[read]] his life and you would look at what is said, not only from the [[standpoint]] of how a [[mortal]] of [[your planet]] would view it, but also from the standpoint of how [[beings]] from [[Paper 55 - The Spheres of Light and Life|far more advanced planets]] might also view it, you would increase your [[understanding]] of many of the things that [[Jesus]] has said.

Q. Can you tell me what, I've never asked a super-mortal this question, but in the Urantia Book, in the paper on the apostles, they tell what each apostle thought was the most important thing or the thing that attracted them most to Jesus, or whatever it was that impressed them the most. What impressed you, personally, the most about his life here?

Q. Can you tell me what, I've never asked a [[supermortal]] this question, but in the [[Urantia Book]], in [[Paper 139 - The Twelve Apostles|the paper on the apostles]], they tell what each [[apostle]] [[thought]] was the most important thing or the thing that [[attracted]] them most to [[Jesus]], or whatever it was that [[impressed]] them the most. What impressed you, [[personally]], the most about his life here?

A. I would say his unswerving trust in the Father.

A. I would say his unswerving [[trust]] in [[the Father]].

Q. NORSON, for our Bloomington group you suggested that we pray for the contact of a teacher. Would the form of this prayer be best if it were a supplication or an affirmative prayer? What's the (?) for us?

Q. Norson, for our Bloomington group you suggested that we [[pray]] for the [[contact]] of a teacher. Would the form of this [[prayer]] be best if it were a supplication or an affirmative prayer? What's the (?) for us?

A. Most effective is that you get together and discuss this teaching mission and how it might help your group. The prayer does not need to be said as a group. Each individual can then go and then pray for the success of this mission and the arrival of a teacher. In this way, we could perhaps more easily discern which of the humans has the strongest desire to perhaps perform the contact role.

A. Most [[effective]] is that you get [[together]] and [[discuss]] this [[teaching mission]] and how it might help your [[group]]. The [[prayer]] does not need to be said as a group. Each [[individual]] can then go and then pray for the success of [[this mission]] and the arrival of a [[teacher]]. In this way, we could perhaps more easily [[discern]] which of the humans has the strongest [[desire]] to perhaps [[perform]] the contact role.

Q. As a follow-up question to that, prior to Welmek's announcement or arrival here, this study group had a meeting in which we just meditated. The question is, was there any effect on that meeting to Welmek's arrival, because it seemed like shortly after that meeting is when Welmek made his first contact or at least the first known contact. If that's the case, would Bloomington be advised to do the same?

Q. As a follow-up question to that, prior to [[Welmek]]'s announcement or arrival here, this [[study]] group had a [[meeting]] in which we just [[meditated]]. The question is, was there any [[effect]] on that meeting to [[Welmek]]'s arrival, because it seemed like shortly after that meeting is when Welmek made his first [[contact]] or at least the first known contact. If that's the case, would Bloomington be advised to do the same?

A. There is value in group prayer and in group meditation, and especially in group worship. To say that the incident that you mentioned was the deciding factor would not be really accurate. It was one of many other factors taken into consideration; but truly the desire of the group and the desire of the individuals within the group is a primary consideration.

A. There is [[value]] in [[group]] [[prayer]] and in group [[meditation]], and especially in group [[worship]]. To say that the incident that you mentioned was the deciding [[factor]] would not be really [[accurate]]. It was one of many other [[factors]] taken into [[consideration]]; but truly the [[desire]] of the [[group]] and the desire of the [[individuals]] within the group is a primary [[consideration]].

Q. Would you distinguish between desire and willingness in this situation?

Q. Would you distinguish between [[desire]] and willingness in this situation?

A. Do you desire to come to this group to listen to these teachings?]

A. Do you [[desire]] to come to this group to [[listen]] to these teachings?]

Q. Very much so.

Q. Very much so.

A. Are you willing to serve in the role of the transmitter/receiver?

A. Are you willing to serve in the role of the [[transmitter/receiver]]?

Q. If that would be best for the group, I would.

Q. If that would be best for the group, I would.

A. Do you see the difference, that many may wish to come and listen but not everyone would necessarily wish to serve in the role?

A. Do you see the [[difference]], that many may wish to come and [[listen]] but not everyone would necessarily wish to serve in the role?

Q. I do.

Q. I do.

A. I will address your question only in a general way, not in a specific way. There are many [[Barriers|blocks]] that [[humans]] put up. You must [[remember]] that [[God]] is with you always. His [[love]] is with you always. You have [[access]] to His [[guidance]] and His [[love]]. But as young [[children]], you sometimes put all kinds of [[Barriers|blocks]] in the way. You can sometimes be spiteful, you can sometimes be [[vengeful]]. There are many undesirable [[traits]] that are part of your [[heritage]] (tape turned here and some [[words]] lost)...there was some block that you finally let go of.

 

A. I will address your question only in a general way, not in a specific way. There are many blocks that humans put up. You must remember that God is with you always. His love is with you always. You have access to His guidance and His love. But as young children, you sometimes put all kinds of blocks in the way. You can sometimes be spiteful, you can sometimes be vengeful. There are many undesirable traits that are part of your heritage (tape turned here and some words lost)...there was some block that you finally let go of.

Q. Are you saying that letting go of the block reopens that? You're not saying that letting go of the block shuts that down, you're saying that that's what reopens it?

Q. Are you saying that letting go of the block reopens that? You're not saying that letting go of the block shuts that down, you're saying that that's what reopens it?

A. Yes, letting go of the blocks allows the love to flow through you again.

A. Yes, letting go of the blocks allows the love to [[flow]] through you again.

Q. NORSON, I have a question along this line. Welmek has said human beings frequently put up subconscious blocks. In other words, they're not aware that their mind has closed off a certain portion or closed off in a certain way. And I would like to know, how can the conscious mind, if the conscious will wants a block removed subconsciously, is it possible to do that?

Q. Norson, I have a question along this line. Welmek has said human beings frequently put up [[subconscious]] blocks. In other words, they're not aware that their mind has closed off a certain portion or closed off in a certain way. And I would like to know, how can the conscious mind, if the conscious will wants a block removed subconsciously, is it possible to do that?

A. Of course.

A. Of course.

Q. How.

Q. How.

A. First, you must try to understand by seeking inner guidance, what it is that is providing the block. You can also, if you sense what this might be, discuss it with your brothers and sisters, ask what they observe that might be the block. If you are given this guidance, and you will be given it if you ask for it, then you can see this block more clearly. This means it has surfaced from the subconscious level. At that point, you may then make a conscious choice. Do you want to continue to use this block, or do you want to let it go?

A. First, you must try to [[understand]] by seeking inner [[guidance]], what it is that is providing the block. You can also, if you sense what this might be, [[discuss]] it with your [[brothers and sisters]], ask what they observe that might be the block. If you are given this guidance, and you will be given it if you ask for it, then you can see this [[block]] more clearly. This means it has surfaced from the [[subconscious]] level. At that [[point]], you may then make a [[conscious]] [[choice]]. Do you want to continue to use this block, or do you want to let it go?

Q. In the breaking down of the block, though, is it possible that whatever caused that block to come up could be so terrible that that person would have a difficult time facing it and may need someone with more professional status to help that person get through that block? Could it be damaging to the person to remove the block?

Q. In the breaking down of the block, though, is it possible that whatever caused that block to come up could be so terrible that that [[person]] would have a [[difficult]] time facing it and may need someone with more [[professional]] [[status]] to help that person get through that block? Could it be damaging to the person to remove the block?

A. If a person has a block that stops them from loving themself, from forgiving themself, or loving others or forgiving others, how could it be damaging for them to release it?

A. If a person has a [[block]] that stops them from [[loving]] themself, from [[forgiving]] themself, or loving others or [[forgiving]] others, how could it be damaging for them to release it?

Q. Well, maybe the pain of reliving whatever circumstance it was. I'm just wondering if maybe some people need more professional guidance to get through the blocks. For instance, maybe people who are hypnotized and relive a certain part of their life has to then face it and then be able to move past it.

Q. Well, maybe the [[pain]] of reliving whatever [[circumstance]] it was. I'm just [[wondering]] if maybe some people need more [[professional]] [[guidance]] to get through the [[blocks]]. For instance, maybe people who are [[hypnotized]] and relive a certain part of their life has to then face it and then be able to move past it.

A. There are various techniques by which the removal of such blocks can be facilitated. It must happen within the individual, but certainly others can be helpful in removing this block. Most depends upon the atmosphere, the environment, the love that a person feels from the person who is helping them to remove this block. It is easier to remove the block if you are not in the environment which helped create the block.

A. There are various [[techniques]] by which the removal of such [[blocks]] can be [[facilitated]]. It must happen within the [[individual]], but certainly others can be helpful in removing this block. Most depends upon the [[atmosphere]], the [[environment]], the [[love]] that a person feels from the [[person]] who is helping them to remove this block. It is easier to remove the block if you are not in the [[environment]] which helped create the block.

Q. Would it be true that people are afraid to remove the block because of the pain that they may experience during that time, even though by removing it it is going to cleanse them. But going through that process is what makes them not want to do it?

Q. Would it be true that people are afraid to remove the [[block]] because of the [[pain]] that they may [[experience]] during that time, even though by removing it it is going to cleanse them. But going through that [[process]] is what makes them not want to do it?

A. But is this not just another block?

A. But is this not just another [[block]]?

Q. That's true. That's true.

Q. That's true. That's true.

A. There are many levels and [[understandings]] of [[love]]. I assume you mean the [[relationship]] as between a [[husband]] and [[wife]]?

 

A. There are many levels and understandings of love. I assume you mean the relationship as between a husband and wife?

Q. Yes.

Q. Yes.

A. In your text, there is a statement that says divorce must continue to serve as a safety valve for situations that are potentially worse. What do you think that might mean?

A. In [[your text]], there is a [[statement]] that says [[divorce]] must continue to serve as a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_valve safety valve] for situations that are [[potentially]] worse. What do you [[think]] that might mean? ([[83:7 Dissolution of Wedlock|83:7.8]])

Q. I think it means that there could be potential harm done to both or one of the individuals if the relationship would continue.

Q. I think it means that there could be [[potential]] [[harm]] done to both or one of the [[individuals]] if the [[relationship]] would continue.

A. And if that is the situation, what do you think would be the best thing to do?

A. And if that is the situation, what do you think would be the best thing to do?

Q. To end that situation.

Q. To end that situation.

A. Does that answer your question?

A. Does that answer your [[question]]?

Q. I guess, except in my mind I find it hard to discern where that..it's not so clear to me where that line stops and starts because the same thing, we talk about brotherly love and being able to see the person and their understanding and knowing that it's not complete. It's a difficult thing to assess, I think, probably for all of us in certain situations. How do you compare that to that always loving and always being willing to share the Father's love? I guess maybe that distinction now in my mind that's coming right now is a matter of what type of a relationship?

Q. I guess, except in my mind I find it hard to [[discern]] where that..it's not so [[clear]] to me where that line stops and starts because the same thing, we talk about [[brotherly]] love and being able to see the [[person]] and their [[understanding]] and knowing that it's not complete. It's a [[difficult]] thing to [[assess]], I think, probably for all of us in certain situations. How do you [[compare]] that to that always loving and always being willing to [[share]] [[the Father]]'s love? I guess maybe that [[distinction]] now in my [[mind]] that's coming right now is a matter of what type of a [[relationship]]?

A. If you felt it was necessary to break off a marital relationship with someone, would you wish that person harm?

A. If you felt it was [[necessary]] to break off a [[marital]] relationship with someone, would you [[wish]] that [[person]] harm?

Q. In my experience, I didn't.

Q. In my [[experience]], I didn't.

A. Then in a sense, do you still not feel brotherly love for that person? Do you still not hope that God will bless them and that they will have a joyous life and find God within them?

A. Then in a sense, do you still not feel brotherly love for that [[person]]? Do you still not [[hope]] that [[God]] will [[bless]] them and that they will have a [[joyous]] life and find [[God within]] them?

Q. Definitely. In my mind though I wonder was there something more that could have been done. That's what I always search.

Q. Definitely. In my [[mind]] though I [[wonder]] was there something more that could have been done. That's what I always search.

A. There is always more that could be done, but it you did not have that understanding or that knowledge at the time, then what else could you have done?

A. There is always more that could be done, but it you did not have that [[understanding]] or that [[knowledge]] at the time, then what else could you have done?

Q. That just seems so sad to me.

Q. That just seems so sad to me.

A. It is sad, but it is part of the reality of living on an imperfect world, of being an imperfect being. Remember that in the end, you and that former spouse will survive, and will progress, and if it is important for you at some point in your future career you will be able to meet with that person and you will come to more fully understand what happened. And you will be able to forgive each other if that is necessary, and you will leave as best friends.

A. It is sad, but it is part of the [[reality]] of living on an [[imperfect]] world, of [[being]] an imperfect being. Remember that in the end, you and that former [[spouse]] will [[survive]], and will [[progress]], and if it is important for you at some point in your [[future]] [[career]] you will be able to meet with that [[person]] and you will come to more fully [[understand]] what happened. And you will be able to [[forgive]] each other if that is [[necessary]], and you will leave as best [[friends]].

 

Q. I believe that's it for the questions. If there are visitors that would like to speak?

Q. Norson, I have a question for someone who requested through [[Welmek]] for a [[teacher]]. I haven't gotten to [[speak]] with her, but she left a message for me. She seemed discouraged. Is there anything that I can do to [[encourage]] her?

Q. NORSON, I have a question for someone who requested through Welmek for a teacher. I haven't gotten to speak with her, but she left a message for me. She seemed discouraged. Is there anything that I can do to encourage her?

A. And what is the [[nature]] of her [[discouragement]]?

A. And what is the nature of her discouragement?

Q. I think she's..this is [[reading]] between the lines because I haven't spoken to her, but I think that she's [[fearful]] that she won't be able to pull [[together]] a group to bring a teacher in their (?). I know she's toyed in the [[past]] with moving to a location where there was a teacher.

Q. I think she's..this is reading between the lines because I haven't spoken to her, but I think that she's fearful that she won't be able to pull together a group to bring a teacher in their (?). I know she's toyed in the past with moving to a location where there was a teacher.

A. This is a [[decision]] which she must make. There is no reason to be [[discouraged]]. If she truly [[wishes]] that, and she truly does the best she can to bring that about, that is all that she can do. She cannot [[force]] the situation. [[Encourage]] her to have [[patience]], encourage her to do the best she can. Yet, after [[time]], if she does not see any [[progress]] in this area, then she must determine how important this is to her life and whether or not she [[wishes]] to make such a move.

A. This is a decision which she must make. There is no reason to be discouraged. If she truly wishes that, and she truly does the best she can to bring that about, that is all that she can do. She cannot force the situation. Encourage her to have patience, encourage her to do the best she can. Yet, after time, if she does not see any progress in this area, then she must determine how important this is to her life and whether or not she wishes to make such a move.

Q. Thank you for being with us Norson.

Q. Thank you for being with us NORSON.

NORSON: It has been my [[pleasure]]. This has been my first [[opportunity]] to [[speak]] with a [[group]] such as yours and to have the opportunity to answer questions. There are some [[visitors]] who wish to speak briefly with you.  

NORSON: It has been my pleasure. This has been my first opportunity to speak with a group such as yours and to have the opportunity to answer questions. There are some visitors who wish to speak briefly with you. ANDREW: Greetings. This is Andrew. I have addressed you before; and as many of you know, I have been assigned to the group in Pittsburgh. I only wish to say to you tonight that I am pleased with the progress that is being made and that we hope to be on line fully in the near future. I appreciate the opportunity to observe your group. It has been very helpful to me, and I will carry much of what I have learned from your group to my new experience. I wish to thank you for all that you have done to add to my experience. I love you and God be with you. From time to time, I will return and extend my greetings to you. My hope is that at some future time, your group and my group in Pittsburgh will have an opportunity to meet jointly, just as your group did with Oren and the group from Warrenville. ANDREA: Greetings. This is Andre

ANDREW: Greetings. This is Andrew. I have addressed you before; and as many of you know, I have been [[assigned]] to the [https://www.nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Pittsburgh_TeaM group in Pittsburgh]. I only wish to say to you tonight that I am pleased with the [[progress]] that is being made and that we [[hope]] to be on line fully in the near [[future]]. I [[appreciate]] the [[opportunity]] to [[observe]] your group. It has been very helpful to me, and I will carry much of what I have [[learned]] from your group to my new [[experience]]. I [[wish]] to [[thank]] you for all that you have done to add to my [[experience]]. I [[love]] you and [[God]] be with you. From time to [[time]], I will return and extend my greetings to you. My [[hope]] is that at some future time, your group and my group in Pittsburgh will have an [[opportunity]] to meet jointly, just as your group did with [[Oren]] and the group from Warrenville.  

A. I too wish to echo the sentiments of my brother Andrew. As some of you know, we have had two sessions in the Buffalo group and I am very pleased with the progress. All groups are different and some progress more quickly or more slowly than others. We do not allow this to affect us. Our desire is to work with a group and to move them forward from whatever position they may start from. I, too, would like to thank your group for my opportunity to be a teacher in Buffalo. Your group has been instrumental in spawning some of these new groups, and we are very appreciative of your willingness and your desire to spread this mission. I know you anxiously await Welmek's return, and so do we. I know that the love and the joy that he will return with will be felt by us and also by you. Until that time, go in peace and may God be with each of you.

===Closing===

 

OREN: Greetings. This is Oren. I am visiting your group this evening. I bring greetings from all of the members in the Warrenville group. We continue to progress. We continue to learn, to love and to grow in our understanding. There is an event which I wish to make you aware of this evening. Sometime after the beginning of next year, there will be announced a meeting to which you will be invited. It will be hosted by the Warrenville group. At that time it is our plan to have a Machiventa materialized for you. This will not his permanent assumption of a human body, but will be a temporary materialization. Look forward with great joy and anticipation to this event, and we will provide further details as the time draws closer. Meanwhile practice what your teacher, Welmek, has taught you. Listen and think and pray on the words of NORSON and all of these teachers. There is nothing standing in the way of your own spiritual progress but your own doubts and your own blocks. You can grow and you can progress as much as you wish. Go now and await your teacher Welmek's return, and again, practice, practice, practice.

A. I too [[wish]] to [[echo]] the sentiments of my brother [[Andrew]]. As some of you know, we have had two sessions in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo,_New_York Buffalo group] and I am very pleased with the [[progress]]. All groups are different and some [[progress]] more quickly or more slowly than others. We do not allow this to affect us. Our [[desire]] is to [[work]] with a group and to move them forward from whatever [[position]] they may start from. I, too, would like to [[thank]] your group for my [[opportunity]] to be a [[teacher]] in Buffalo. Your group has been instrumental in spawning some of these new groups, and we are very [[appreciative]] of your willingness and your [[desire]] to spread [[this mission]]. I know you anxiously await [[Welmek]]'s return, and so do we. I know that the [[love]] and the [[joy]] that he will return with will be felt by us and also by you. Until that time, go in [[peace]] and may [[God]] be with each of you.

 

===='''''[[Materialization]]'''''====

OREN: Greetings. This is Oren. I am visiting your group this evening. I bring greetings from all of the members in the Warrenville group. We continue to [[progress]]. We continue to [[learn]], to [[love]] and to [[grow]] in our [[understanding]]. There is an [[event]] which I wish to make you [[aware]] of this evening. Sometime after the beginning of next year, there will be [[announced]] a meeting to which you will be [[invited]]. It will be hosted by the Warrenville group. At that time it is our [[plan]] to have a [[Machiventa]] [[materialized]] for you. This will not his permanent [[assumption]] of a [[human]] [[body]], but will be a temporary [[materialization]]. Look forward with great [[joy]] and [[anticipation]] to this [[event]], and we will provide further details as the time draws closer. Meanwhile [[practice]] what your teacher, Welmek, has taught you. [[Listen]] and [[think]] and [[pray]] on the words of Norson and all of [[Teacher Corps|these teachers]]. There is nothing standing in the way of your own [[spiritual progress]] but your own [[doubts]] and your own [[blocks]]. You can [[grow]] and you can [[progress]] as much as you [[wish]]. Go now and await your teacher [[Welmek]]'s return, and again, [[practice]], practice, practice.

NORSON: This is NORSON. I again extend my love to all of you and I encourage you to heed Oren's words. May God be with you, go in peace.

NORSON: This is Norson. I again extend my [[love]] to all of you and I [[encourage]] you to heed Oren's [[words]]. May God be with you, go in peace.

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