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===Group: [[Indianapolis TeaM]]===

===Group: [[Indianapolis TeaM]]===

==Facilitators==

==Facilitators==

===Teacher: [[Norson]], [[Oren]]===

===Teacher: [[Norson]], [[Oren]], [[Andrew]], [[Andrea]]===

 

===TR: [[Unknown]]===

===TR: [[Unknown]]===

== Session==

== Session==

===Opening===

===Opening===

NORSON: Good evening [[brothers and sisters]]. This is NORSON. As [[Welmek]] instructed you last week, I and some [[visitors]] will be providing the lesson for this evening. Tonight we will first provide a lesson on the [[nature]] of [[love]]; following that I will entertain [[questions]]. And after that there are some [[visitors]] who would like to share a few [[words]] with you.

NORSON: Good evening [[brothers and sisters]]. This is Norson. As [[Welmek]] instructed you last week, I and some [[visitors]] will be providing the lesson for this evening. Tonight we will first provide a lesson on the [[nature]] of [[love]]; following that I will entertain [[questions]]. And after that there are some [[visitors]] who would like to share a few [[words]] with you.

 

===Lesson===

===Lesson===

===='''''[[Love]]'''''====

===='''''[[Love]]'''''====

[[Love]] is a [[word]] in your [[language]] that has as many [[meanings]] as there are [[individuals]] on [[your planet]]. Like all [[words]] such as [[faith]], your [[understanding]] of [[love]] grows as you grow. If there were one "[[definition]]" for the word, it is the definition that was given in your previous lessons and is from [[your text]]. That is, "[[Love]] is the [[desire]] to do [[good]] to others."([[56:10 Truth, Beauty, and Goodness|56:10.21]]) [[Your text]] also emphasizes the importance of a [[parent]]-[[child]] [[relationship]]. The reason is that [[parental]] [[love]] is a [[different]] aspect, a somewhat different [[manifestation]] of love than the [[love]] you have for your [[spouse]] that is also associated with [[affection]]. The love that a [[parent]] has for a child comes closest to the love that [[the Father]] has for each of you; for in [[truth]], you are all sons and daughters of [[the Father]], your heavenly [[parent]]. It is also important to try to come to an [[understanding]] of the distinction between this [[parental]] or fatherly love and [[brotherly]] love, the [[love]] you have for your sisters and brothers. As you go about your daily [[routine]], you have been instructed to look at each of your [[brothers and sisters]] and to try to envision either the [[Father fragment]] within them or [[Michael]] within them. It really does not matter, whatever you [[feel]] most comfortable with is fine. You have been instructed to treat that person in the way you would if you truly sensed that [[the Father]] or [[Michael]] were within that [[person]]. Stop for just a [[moment]] and look at one of your [[brothers and sisters]] in this room. Gaze into their eyes, and [[envision]] that the [[love]] of [[the Father]] or of [[Michael]] is there within them, wanting to be released, wanting to [[flow]] outward. Stop and do this for a [[moment]]. (pause) I [[realize]] that this may seem a little [[difficult]], may seem a little awkward, since many of you may not know each other well. But this is exactly the [[point]]. No matter who you meet in your daily life, [[strangers]] that you pass upon the street walking by, you must begin to [[realize]] that they have this same [[potential]] within them. You may look at someone and you may see that [[physically]] they may not be [[attractive]] to you. You may [[feel]] that they are not particularly bright [[intellectually]], and you might even sense that [[spiritually]] they seem [[asleep]]. Yet I wish to attest and [[confirm]] to you that this [[Father fragment]] dwells within each and every one. As you [[learn]] to [[love]] your [[brothers and sisters]], you are learning to say to yourself "What can I do that would be [[good]] for this [[person]]?" Oftentimes, you want to sit down with them and have them sit at your feet so to [[speak]], and let yourself expound upon all that you have [[learned]] and all that you know. Yet this may be too much. You must start in small ways, a [[smile]], a [[kind]] [[word]], helping them in a troubling situation, doing small [[favors]] for them. You should not underestimate the importance of these [[things]]. While it might seem small to you, again you must [[realize]] that the [[Father fragment]] is within them waiting to [[adjust]] their [[minds]]. When something [[positive]] happens to them, this is, in a sense, [[spiritual]] [[food]] for their own spirit, their own [[Thought Adjuster]], to utilize in helping to [[adjust]] their [[mind]].

[[Love]] is a [[word]] in your [[language]] that has as many [[meanings]] as there are [[individuals]] on [[your planet]]. Like all [[words]] such as [[faith]], your [[understanding]] of [[love]] grows as you grow. If there were one "[[definition]]" for the word, it is the definition that was given in your previous lessons and is from [[your text]]. That is, "[[Love]] is the [[desire]] to do [[good]] to others."([[56:10 Truth, Beauty, and Goodness|56:10.21]])

 

[[Your text]] also emphasizes the importance of a [[parent]]-[[child]] [[relationship]]. The reason is that [[parental]] [[love]] is a [[different]] aspect, a somewhat different [[manifestation]] of love than the [[love]] you have for your [[spouse]] that is also associated with [[affection]]. The love that a [[parent]] has for a child comes closest to the love that [[the Father]] has for each of you; for in [[truth]], you are all sons and daughters of [[the Father]], your heavenly [[parent]].  

 

It is also important to try to come to an [[understanding]] of the distinction between this [[parental]] or fatherly love and [[brotherly]] love, the [[love]] you have for your sisters and brothers. As you go about your daily [[routine]], you have been instructed to look at each of your [[brothers and sisters]] and to try to envision either the [[Father fragment]] within them or [[Michael]] within them. It really does not matter, whatever you [[feel]] most comfortable with is fine. You have been instructed to treat that person in the way you would if you truly sensed that [[the Father]] or [[Michael]] were within that [[person]].  

 

Stop for just a [[moment]] and look at one of your [[brothers and sisters]] in this room. Gaze into their eyes, and [[envision]] that the [[love]] of [[the Father]] or of [[Michael]] is there within them, wanting to be released, wanting to [[flow]] outward. Stop and do this for a [[moment]]. (pause) I [[realize]] that this may seem a little [[difficult]], may seem a little awkward, since many of you may not know each other well. But this is exactly the [[point]]. No matter who you meet in your daily life, [[strangers]] that you pass upon the street walking by, you must begin to [[realize]] that they have this same [[potential]] within them.  

 

You may look at someone and you may see that [[physically]] they may not be [[attractive]] to you. You may [[feel]] that they are not particularly bright [[intellectually]], and you might even sense that [[spiritually]] they seem [[asleep]]. Yet I wish to attest and [[confirm]] to you that this [[Father fragment]] dwells within each and every one. As you [[learn]] to [[love]] your [[brothers and sisters]], you are learning to say to yourself "What can I do that would be [[good]] for this [[person]]?"  

[[Suppose]] for [[example]] that a [[person]] was having a [[difficult]] day and had many bad [[experiences]], and you give a warm [[smile]] or [[kind]] [[word]]. As you know from [[your text]], a little bit of [[good]] can overcome a lot of bad. Their [[Adjuster]] might be able to [[impress]] upon their [[mind]] or [[adjust]] their [[thinking]] to [[realize]] that no matter how many bad or [[difficult]] things happen in their day, that there are still [[good]] people in the world and that despite all of the [[problems]], [[love]] still [[dominates]]. This can make them have the [[courage]] and the [[strength]] and the [[faith]] to face many more [[difficulties]], many more [[challenges]] in their life. Does it seem somewhat remarkable to you that such a small thing could become so important to someone else? I say to you now that this is [[absolutely]] true. You cannot underestimate the importance of such [[things]] in your life. Is this so [[difficult]] for you to do? Do you have to really go out of your way or be burdened by [[performing]] such small [[acts]] for your [[brothers and sisters]]? Some of you [[think]] you must do great [[things]], but we are here to say it is often the small [[things]] that can be the most important. This is what is meant by doing [[good]] for others. Of course if you get to know them and you have an [[opportunity]] to [[share]] [[God]]'s [[love]] with them, this is also something that you most certainly want to do. But it is pointed out only to make a [[distinction]] that not all situations will be so opportune, that you must look for the little [[things]] and try to do them as best you can. You would be [[surprised]] at how many [[opportunities]] you pass up every day in your life to do these small things because you are more concerned or [[think]] it is more important to do the greater things. Do not make this [[judgment]]. Allow yourself to allow [[God]]'s [[love]] to [[flow]] through you in small things as well as bigger [[things]]. Look for these [[opportunities]] each day. Do not be the [[judge]]. Let [[God]] be the judge of what this person needs and how much they can absorb at a particular [[time]]. As you know, if you are able to do this, and [[circumstances]] would allow that this person would come to know you better, then they might open up to you and ask the kinds of [[questions]] that you want so badly to provide the answer for. This is the [[nature]] of brotherly concern, of [[brotherly]] [[love]]. [[Parental]], fatherly [[love]], is somewhat [[different]]. It goes beyond this step of brotherly love. It adds new [[dimensions]] to it. One of the differences is that as a [[parent]], you are more [[responsible]] for guiding your [[children]] than you are your [[brothers and sisters]]. This is a large [[responsibility]]. All of you who have had the [[experience]] of [[parenting]] know how [[difficult]] this can be at times. What is the right thing to do, how to [[guide]] your child in a way that allows their [[freedom]] and their [[spirit]] to [[grow]], but yet would not put them into harmful situations. These are [[difficult]] assessments, difficult [[judgments]]. [[The Father]] indwells each of you, and the Father is your [[parent]], your guide. He [[provides]] that [[function]] for you. While you do not always [[understand]] that at the time, and while you sometimes move in [[directions]] that you rebel against, you must [[learn]] to follow His [[wisdom]]. You must learn to follow His way. You must learn to [[trust]] His [[guidance]] and His [[judgment]], just as you wish your own child would trust your [[guidance]]. You must admit that having a [[perfect]] guide inside you is somewhat easier to [[trust]] than your own children trusting you with your [[limited]] [[human]] [[judgment]]. But yet, what is your [[desire]] with your [[children]]? Your desire is to [[love]] them, to see them grow [[healthy]], to see them be [[happy]] and to guide them in a way that they will reach their full [[potential]]. This is exactly the same [[guidance]], the same goals that the [[Adjuster]] has for each of you. This is, again, why [[your text]] emphasizes the importance of the [[parental]] [[experience]], because [[love]] associated with the [[wisdom]] [[necessary]] for this [[guidance]] is part of that experience and will help you [[understand]] what the [[Adjuster]] is trying to do for each of you.  

 

[[Suppose]] for [[example]] that a [[person]] was having a [[difficult]] day and had many bad [[experiences]], and you give a warm [[smile]] or [[kind]] [[word]]. As you know from [[your text]], a little bit of [[good]] can overcome a lot of bad. Their [[Adjuster]] might be able to [[impress]] upon their [[mind]] or [[adjust]] their [[thinking]] to [[realize]] that no matter how many bad or [[difficult]] things happen in their day, that there are still [[good]] people in the world and that despite all of the [[problems]], [[love]] still [[dominates]]. This can make them have the [[courage]] and the [[strength]] and the [[faith]] to face many more [[difficulties]], many more [[challenges]] in their life.  

 

Does it seem somewhat remarkable to you that such a small thing could become so important to someone else? I say to you now that this is [[absolutely]] true. You cannot underestimate the importance of such [[things]] in your life. Is this so [[difficult]] for you to do? Do you have to really go out of your way or be burdened by [[performing]] such small [[acts]] for your [[brothers and sisters]]? Some of you [[think]] you must do great [[things]], but we are here to say it is often the small [[things]] that can be the most important.  

 

This is what is meant by doing [[good]] for others. Of course if you get to know them and you have an [[opportunity]] to [[share]] [[God]]'s [[love]] with them, this is also something that you most certainly want to do. But it is pointed out only to make a [[distinction]] that not all situations will be so opportune, that you must look for the little [[things]] and try to do them as best you can.  

 

You would be [[surprised]] at how many [[opportunities]] you pass up every day in your life to do these small things because you are more concerned or [[think]] it is more important to do the greater things. Do not make this [[judgment]]. Allow yourself to allow [[God]]'s [[love]] to [[flow]] through you in small things as well as bigger [[things]]. Look for these [[opportunities]] each day. Do not be the [[judge]]. Let [[God]] be the judge of what this person needs and how much they can absorb at a particular [[time]]. As you know, if you are able to do this, and [[circumstances]] would allow that this person would come to know you better, then they might open up to you and ask the kinds of [[questions]] that you want so badly to provide the answer for. This is the [[nature]] of brotherly concern, of [[brotherly]] [[love]].  

 

[[Parental]], fatherly [[love]], is somewhat [[different]]. It goes beyond this step of brotherly love. It adds new [[dimensions]] to it. One of the differences is that as a [[parent]], you are more [[responsible]] for guiding your [[children]] than you are your [[brothers and sisters]]. This is a large [[responsibility]]. All of you who have had the [[experience]] of [[parenting]] know how [[difficult]] this can be at times. What is the right thing to do, how to [[guide]] your child in a way that allows their [[freedom]] and their [[spirit]] to [[grow]], but yet would not put them into harmful situations. These are [[difficult]] assessments, difficult [[judgments]].  

 

[[The Father]] indwells each of you, and the Father is your [[parent]], your guide. He [[provides]] that [[function]] for you. While you do not always [[understand]] that at the time, and while you sometimes move in [[directions]] that you rebel against, you must [[learn]] to follow His [[wisdom]]. You must learn to follow His way. You must learn to [[trust]] His [[guidance]] and His [[judgment]], just as you wish your own child would trust your [[guidance]]. You must admit that having a [[perfect]] guide inside you is somewhat easier to [[trust]] than your own children trusting you with your [[limited]] [[human]] [[judgment]]. But yet, what is your [[desire]] with your [[children]]? Your desire is to [[love]] them, to see them grow [[healthy]], to see them be [[happy]] and to guide them in a way that they will reach their full [[potential]]. This is exactly the same [[guidance]], the same goals that the [[Adjuster]] has for each of you. This is, again, why [[your text]] emphasizes the importance of the [[parental]] [[experience]], because [[love]] associated with the [[wisdom]] [[necessary]] for this [[guidance]] is part of that experience and will help you [[understand]] what the [[Adjuster]] is trying to do for each of you. ([[47:1 The Finaliters' World|47:1.6]])

I will stop now, and I will entertain [[questions]] about this lesson or about other [[topics]] concerned with your [[spiritual growth]].

I will stop now, and I will entertain [[questions]] about this lesson or about other [[topics]] concerned with your [[spiritual growth]].

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

Q. Norson, it seems to me that it is not [[human]] [[nature]] to [[love]]. It seems as though our [[animal]] [[instincts]] are just quite the [[opposite]]. When we [[resurrect]] and have [[morontial]] form or morontial nature, is it easier, is it more [[automatic]] to [[love]] than it is for us here now?

Q. Norson, it seems to me that it is not [[human]] [[nature]] to [[love]]. It seems as though our [[animal]] [[instincts]] are just quite the [[opposite]]. When we [[resurrect]] and have [[morontial]] form or morontial nature, is it easier, is it more [[automatic]] to [[love]] than it is for us here now?

Q. Norson, as (you)  probably know, we are a [[curious]] lot. Are you willing to [[share]] with us what is your background, and what made you seek [[this mission]]?

Q. Norson, as (you)  probably know, we are a [[curious]] lot. Are you willing to [[share]] with us what is your background, and what made you seek [[this mission]]?

A. I am of the [[Melchizedeks|Melchizidek]] order of beings. Our order is [[described]] in [[your text]]. We basically [[perform]] in [[the universe]] as [[teachers]] and [[philosophers]]. My brother, [[Machiventa]] Melchizedek, is your [[planetary prince]]. Before his appointment, I served temporarily in this role, and was in charge of the receivership of [[your planet]]. As a [[Melchizedek]], we are in charge of [[this mission]], this [[teaching mission]], and so it is my [[nature]] and it is my true [[desire]] to want to be part of [[this mission]].

A. I am of the [[Melchizedeks|Melchizidek]] order of beings. Our order is [[described]] in [[your text]]. ([[35:2 The Melchizedek Sons|35:2]]) We basically [[perform]] in [[the universe]] as [[teachers]] and [[philosophers]]. My brother, [[Machiventa]] Melchizedek, is your [[planetary prince]]. Before his appointment, I served temporarily in this role, and was in charge of the [[Melchizedek Receivers|receivership]] of [[your planet]]. As a [[Melchizedek]], we are in charge of [[this mission]], this [[teaching mission]], and so it is my [[nature]] and it is my true [[desire]] to want to be part of [[this mission]].

Q. In the same vein, there, I take it to mean that you were never [[mortal]] then?

Q. In the same vein, there, I take it to mean that you were never [[mortal]] then?

A. I have never been a [[mortal]].

A. I have never been a [[mortal]].

Q. Norson, last week I was in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis,_Minnesota Minneapolis] and [[visited]] with the Twin Cities [[study]] group. The members of that group have indicated that they would like to have a teacher assigned to that group. I indicated that I would [[communicate]] back to [[Welmek]], but he's not here, so I would [[communicate]] that to you.

Q. Norson, last week I was in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis,_Minnesota Minneapolis] and [[visited]] with the Twin Cities [[study]] group. The members of that group have indicated that they would like to have a teacher assigned to that group. I indicated that I would [[communicate]] back to [[Welmek]], but he's not here, so I would [[communicate]] that to you.

A. [[Understood]]. We will [[immediately]] begin to research this [[group]] and to [[discern]] what the [[possibilities]] are.

A. [[Understood]]. We will [[immediately]] begin to research this [[group]] and to [[discern]] what the [[possibilities]] are.

Q. Can you give us an update on [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-09-30-I_Am_Going_to_Salvington Welmek's activities]?

Q. Can you give us an update on [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-09-30-I_Am_Going_to_Salvington Welmek's activities]?

Q. Is he having a [[good]] time?

Q. Is he having a [[good]] time?

Q. How many active [[groups]] are there now?

Q. How many active [[groups]] are there now?

A. [http://www.nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:TeaM Approximately 45]. But you must [[understand]] that when you say active what you mean and what we mean may be [[different]]. In our view, [[active]] means there are beings in a specific area who are assessing and [[researching]] the [[possibility]] of the assignment of a [[teacher]] to a particular group.

A. [https://www.nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:TeaM Approximately 45]. But you must [[understand]] that when you say active what you mean and what we mean may be [[different]]. In our view, [[active]] means there are beings in a specific area who are assessing and [[researching]] the [[possibility]] of the assignment of a [[teacher]] to a particular group.

Q. Do you [[forecast]], say within a year from now, how many groups there will be?

Q. Do you [[forecast]], say within a year from now, how many groups there will be?

A. It would be helpful for your [[group]] to [[pray]] for a [[teacher]]. It would be helpful for the [[individuals]] of your [[group]] to [[discuss]] [[this mission]] and the [[opportunities]] that having a teacher might provide. In doing so, this may serve to [[motivate]] a member of your group to seek to [[perform]] the human [[function]] that David and Michael perform for this group.

A. It would be helpful for your [[group]] to [[pray]] for a [[teacher]]. It would be helpful for the [[individuals]] of your [[group]] to [[discuss]] [[this mission]] and the [[opportunities]] that having a teacher might provide. In doing so, this may serve to [[motivate]] a member of your group to seek to [[perform]] the human [[function]] that David and Michael perform for this group.

===='''''[[Spacetime]]'''''====

===='''''[[Spacetime]]'''''====

Q. Norson, in [[the book]] in the thing on spirit and spiritual reality, it says that "All [[patterns]] of [[reality]] occupy [[space]] on the [[material]] levels, but spirit patterns only exist in relation to space; they do not occupy or displace space, neither do they contain it." So my question is, as a [[spirit]], or do spirit beings occupy [[space]] in the same way that we do?

Q. Norson, in [[the book]] in the thing on spirit and spiritual reality, it says that "All [[patterns]] of [[reality]] occupy [[space]] on the [[material]] levels, but spirit patterns only exist in relation to space; they do not occupy or displace space, neither do they contain it." ([[118:3 Time-Space Relationships|118:3.7]]) So my question is, as a [[spirit]], or do spirit beings occupy [[space]] in the same way that we do?

A. The [[understanding]] of [[space and time]] is very [[difficult]] on your world. We could fill this room with literally hundreds of thousands of [[beings]]. [[Time and space]] are somewhat [[different]] than what you [[experience]] on your world, but conceptually there is almost no way for you to really [[understand]] this. When you pass on from [[mortal]] [[flesh]] and you [[awaken]] on the [[mansion worlds]] and you are able to look back upon the world and see [[mortals]], you will immediately sense and better [[understand]] the [[difference]] in [[time and space]]. The [[explanation]] in [[your text]] is there primarily to help you [[understand]] simply that [[time and space]] are [[realities]], but there is not enough [[information]] in [[your text]] to truly bring you to a full [[realization]] of our [[understanding]] of time and space. This can only occur when you can actually [[experience]] it. While it is important to [[think]] about these [[relationships]] because it will help [[structure]] your ways of [[thinking]] and help you [[understand]], again, that these are [[realities]], you will experience [[limitations]] in your ability to fully [[comprehend]] these [[concepts]].

A. The [[understanding]] of [[space and time]] is very [[difficult]] on your world. We could fill this room with literally hundreds of thousands of [[beings]]. [[Time and space]] are somewhat [[different]] than what you [[experience]] on your world, but conceptually there is almost no way for you to really [[understand]] this. When you pass on from [[mortal]] [[flesh]] and you [[awaken]] on the [[mansion worlds]] and you are able to look back upon the world and see [[mortals]], you will immediately sense and better [[understand]] the [[difference]] in [[time and space]]. The [[explanation]] in [[your text]] is there primarily to help you [[understand]] simply that [[time and space]] are [[realities]], but there is not enough [[information]] in [[your text]] to truly bring you to a full [[realization]] of our [[understanding]] of time and space. This can only occur when you can actually [[experience]] it. While it is important to [[think]] about these [[relationships]] because it will help [[structure]] your ways of [[thinking]] and help you [[understand]], again, that these are [[realities]], you will experience [[limitations]] in your ability to fully [[comprehend]] these [[concepts]].

===='''''[[Mansion Worlds]]'''''====

===='''''[[Mansion Worlds]]'''''====

Q. Norson, upon [[resurrecting]] on the [[mansion world]], will we miss our loved ones on [[Urantia]] that are still here? Will we [[experience]] [[loneliness]] for them?

Q. Norson, upon [[resurrecting]] on the [[mansion world]], will we miss our loved ones on [[Urantia]] that are still here? Will we [[experience]] [[loneliness]] for them?

Q. I [[assume]] you watched it on [[universe broadcasts]].

Q. I [[assume]] you watched it on [[universe broadcasts]].

A. Yes. The entire [[local universe]] was kept abreast of the [[events]] of [[Michael]]'s life. As [[your text]] tells you, [[Michael]] did not come to live his human life as [[Jesus]] of [[Nazareth]] just for the [[mortals]] of [[Urantia]].

A. Yes. The entire [[local universe]] was kept abreast of the [[events]] of [[Michael]]'s life. As [[your text]] tells you, [[Michael]] did not come to live his human life as [[Jesus]] of [[Nazareth]] just for the [[mortals]] of [[Urantia]]. ([[157:6 The Next Afternoon|157:6.3]])

A. You sometimes [[think]] this way, but it [[simply]] [[reflects]] your [[limited]] [[understanding]]. [[Michael]] lived his life as a [[human]] for all the worlds of his entire [[Nebadon|local universe]]. They were all made [[aware]] in various ways of [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus his life and of his teachings]. If you were to re-[[read]] his life and you would look at what is said, not only from the [[standpoint]] of how a [[mortal]] of [[your planet]] would view it, but also from the standpoint of how [[beings]] from [[Paper 55 - The Spheres of Light and Life|far more advanced planets]] might also view it, you would increase your [[understanding]] of many of the things that [[Jesus]] has said.

A. You sometimes [[think]] this way, but it [[simply]] [[reflects]] your [[limited]] [[understanding]]. [[Michael]] lived his life as a [[human]] for all the worlds of his entire [[Nebadon|local universe]]. They were all made [[aware]] in various ways of [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus his life and of his teachings]. If you were to re-[[read]] his life and you would look at what is said, not only from the [[standpoint]] of how a [[mortal]] of [[your planet]] would view it, but also from the standpoint of how [[beings]] from [[Paper 55 - The Spheres of Light and Life|far more advanced planets]] might also view it, you would increase your [[understanding]] of many of the things that [[Jesus]] has said.

Q. Can you tell me what, I've never asked a [[supermortal]] this question, but in the [[Urantia Book]], in [[Paper 139 - The Twelve Apostles|the paper on the apostles]], they tell what each [[apostle]] [[thought]] was the most important thing or the thing that [[attracted]] them most to [[Jesus]], or whatever it was that [[impressed]] them the most. What impressed you, [[personally]], the most about his life here?

Q. Can you tell me what, I've never asked a [[supermortal]] this question, but in the [[Urantia Book]], in [[Paper 139 - The Twelve Apostles|the paper on the apostles]], they tell what each [[apostle]] [[thought]] was the most important thing or the thing that [[attracted]] them most to [[Jesus]], or whatever it was that [[impressed]] them the most. What impressed you, [[personally]], the most about his life here?

A. I would say his unswerving [[trust]] in [[the Father]].

A. I would say his unswerving [[trust]] in [[the Father]].

===='''''[[Teacher Contact]]'''''====

===='''''[[Teacher Contact]]'''''====

Q. Norson, for our Bloomington group you suggested that we [[pray]] for the [[contact]] of a teacher. Would the form of this [[prayer]] be best if it were a supplication or an affirmative prayer? What's the (?) for us?

Q. Norson, for our Bloomington group you suggested that we [[pray]] for the [[contact]] of a teacher. Would the form of this [[prayer]] be best if it were a supplication or an affirmative prayer? What's the (?) for us?

Q. Yes.

Q. Yes.

A. In [[your text]], there is a [[statement]] that says [[divorce]] must continue to serve as a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_valve safety valve] for situations that are [[potentially]] worse. What do you [[think]] that might mean?

A. In [[your text]], there is a [[statement]] that says [[divorce]] must continue to serve as a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_valve safety valve] for situations that are [[potentially]] worse. What do you [[think]] that might mean? ([[83:7 Dissolution of Wedlock|83:7.8]])

Q. I think it means that there could be [[potential]] [[harm]] done to both or one of the [[individuals]] if the [[relationship]] would continue.

Q. I think it means that there could be [[potential]] [[harm]] done to both or one of the [[individuals]] if the [[relationship]] would continue.

A. This is a [[decision]] which she must make. There is no reason to be [[discouraged]]. If she truly [[wishes]] that, and she truly does the best she can to bring that about, that is all that she can do. She cannot [[force]] the situation. [[Encourage]] her to have [[patience]], encourage her to do the best she can. Yet, after [[time]], if she does not see any [[progress]] in this area, then she must determine how important this is to her life and whether or not she [[wishes]] to make such a move.

A. This is a [[decision]] which she must make. There is no reason to be [[discouraged]]. If she truly [[wishes]] that, and she truly does the best she can to bring that about, that is all that she can do. She cannot [[force]] the situation. [[Encourage]] her to have [[patience]], encourage her to do the best she can. Yet, after [[time]], if she does not see any [[progress]] in this area, then she must determine how important this is to her life and whether or not she [[wishes]] to make such a move.

===Closing===

===Closing===

Q. Thank you for being with us Norson.

Q. Thank you for being with us Norson.

NORSON: It has been my [[pleasure]]. This has been my first [[opportunity]] to [[speak]] with a [[group]] such as yours and to have the opportunity to answer questions. There are some [[visitors]] who wish to speak briefly with you.  

NORSON: It has been my [[pleasure]]. This has been my first [[opportunity]] to [[speak]] with a [[group]] such as yours and to have the opportunity to answer questions. There are some [[visitors]] who wish to speak briefly with you.  

ANDREW: Greetings. This is Andrew. I have addressed you before; and as many of you know, I have been [[assigned]] to the [http://www.nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Pittsburgh_TeaM group in Pittsburgh]. I only wish to say to you tonight that I am pleased with the [[progress]] that is being made and that we [[hope]] to be on line fully in the near [[future]]. I [[appreciate]] the [[opportunity]] to [[observe]] your group. It has been very helpful to me, and I will carry much of what I have [[learned]] from your group to my new [[experience]]. I [[wish]] to [[thank]] you for all that you have done to add to my [[experience]]. I [[love]] you and [[God]] be with you. From time to [[time]], I will return and extend my greetings to you. My [[hope]] is that at some future time, your group and my group in Pittsburgh will have an [[opportunity]] to meet jointly, just as your group did with [[Oren]] and the group from Warrenville.  

ANDREW: Greetings. This is Andrew. I have addressed you before; and as many of you know, I have been [[assigned]] to the [https://www.nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Pittsburgh_TeaM group in Pittsburgh]. I only wish to say to you tonight that I am pleased with the [[progress]] that is being made and that we [[hope]] to be on line fully in the near [[future]]. I [[appreciate]] the [[opportunity]] to [[observe]] your group. It has been very helpful to me, and I will carry much of what I have [[learned]] from your group to my new [[experience]]. I [[wish]] to [[thank]] you for all that you have done to add to my [[experience]]. I [[love]] you and [[God]] be with you. From time to [[time]], I will return and extend my greetings to you. My [[hope]] is that at some future time, your group and my group in Pittsburgh will have an [[opportunity]] to meet jointly, just as your group did with [[Oren]] and the group from Warrenville.  

ANDREA: Greetings. This is Andrea.

ANDREA: Greetings. This is Andrea.

A. I too [[wish]] to [[echo]] the sentiments of my brother [[Andrew]]. As some of you know, we have had two sessions in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo,_New_York Buffalo group] and I am very pleased with the [[progress]]. All groups are different and some [[progress]] more quickly or more slowly than others. We do not allow this to affect us. Our [[desire]] is to [[work]] with a group and to move them forward from whatever [[position]] they may start from. I, too, would like to [[thank]] your group for my [[opportunity]] to be a [[teacher]] in Buffalo. Your group has been instrumental in spawning some of these new groups, and we are very [[appreciative]] of your willingness and your [[desire]] to spread [[this mission]]. I know you anxiously await [[Welmek]]'s return, and so do we. I know that the [[love]] and the [[joy]] that he will return with will be felt by us and also by you. Until that time, go in [[peace]] and may [[God]] be with each of you.

A. I too [[wish]] to [[echo]] the sentiments of my brother [[Andrew]]. As some of you know, we have had two sessions in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo,_New_York Buffalo group] and I am very pleased with the [[progress]]. All groups are different and some [[progress]] more quickly or more slowly than others. We do not allow this to affect us. Our [[desire]] is to [[work]] with a group and to move them forward from whatever [[position]] they may start from. I, too, would like to [[thank]] your group for my [[opportunity]] to be a [[teacher]] in Buffalo. Your group has been instrumental in spawning some of these new groups, and we are very [[appreciative]] of your willingness and your [[desire]] to spread [[this mission]]. I know you anxiously await [[Welmek]]'s return, and so do we. I know that the [[love]] and the [[joy]] that he will return with will be felt by us and also by you. Until that time, go in [[peace]] and may [[God]] be with each of you.

===='''''[[Materialization]]'''''====

===='''''[[Materialization]]'''''====

OREN: Greetings. This is Oren. I am visiting your group this evening. I bring greetings from all of the members in the Warrenville group. We continue to [[progress]]. We continue to [[learn]], to [[love]] and to [[grow]] in our [[understanding]]. There is an [[event]] which I wish to make you [[aware]] of this evening. Sometime after the beginning of next year, there will be [[announced]] a meeting to which you will be [[invited]]. It will be hosted by the Warrenville group. At that time it is our [[plan]] to have a [[Machiventa]] [[materialized]] for you. This will not his permanent [[assumption]] of a [[human]] [[body]], but will be a temporary [[materialization]]. Look forward with great [[joy]] and [[anticipation]] to this [[event]], and we will provide further details as the time draws closer. Meanwhile [[practice]] what your teacher, Welmek, has taught you. [[Listen]] and [[think]] and [[pray]] on the words of Norson and all of [[Teacher Corps|these teachers]]. There is nothing standing in the way of your own [[spiritual progress]] but your own [[doubts]] and your own [[blocks]]. You can [[grow]] and you can [[progress]] as much as you [[wish]]. Go now and await your teacher [[Welmek]]'s return, and again, [[practice]], practice, practice.

OREN: Greetings. This is Oren. I am visiting your group this evening. I bring greetings from all of the members in the Warrenville group. We continue to [[progress]]. We continue to [[learn]], to [[love]] and to [[grow]] in our [[understanding]]. There is an [[event]] which I wish to make you [[aware]] of this evening. Sometime after the beginning of next year, there will be [[announced]] a meeting to which you will be [[invited]]. It will be hosted by the Warrenville group. At that time it is our [[plan]] to have a [[Machiventa]] [[materialized]] for you. This will not his permanent [[assumption]] of a [[human]] [[body]], but will be a temporary [[materialization]]. Look forward with great [[joy]] and [[anticipation]] to this [[event]], and we will provide further details as the time draws closer. Meanwhile [[practice]] what your teacher, Welmek, has taught you. [[Listen]] and [[think]] and [[pray]] on the words of Norson and all of [[Teacher Corps|these teachers]]. There is nothing standing in the way of your own [[spiritual progress]] but your own [[doubts]] and your own [[blocks]]. You can [[grow]] and you can [[progress]] as much as you [[wish]]. Go now and await your teacher [[Welmek]]'s return, and again, [[practice]], practice, practice.

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