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STUDENT: I have a question about the [[spiritual]] [[Growth|progression]] of [[Urantia]]. Being a backward planet, is there any [[genetic]] carryover if the [[parents]] are elevated during their lifetime with [[spiritual growth]]? If we took a child from [[Urantia]] and transplanted her to a more advanced planet, would that spiritual development be as strong as that of the other children on the planet? Or is there some connection or carry over from the [[parent]]'s [[attainment]]?

STUDENT: I have a question about the [[spiritual]] [[Growth|progression]] of [[Urantia]]. Being a backward planet, is there any [[genetic]] carryover if the [[parents]] are elevated during their lifetime with [[spiritual growth]]? If we took a child from [[Urantia]] and transplanted her to a more advanced planet, would that spiritual development be as strong as that of the other children on the planet? Or is there some connection or carry over from the [[parent]]'s [[attainment]]?

BERTRAND: You have an [[inherited]] [[capacity]] for spirit [[receptivity]] and [[spirit growth]]. Those [[inherent]] capacities, under [[normal]] circumstances, are incapable of being exceeded as the [[morontia mota]] [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_48#48:7._MORONTIA_MOTA section] of The[[ Urantia Book]] would say concerning a pint holding a quart, it is truly impossible. You [[receive]] a spirit [[endowment]] of the [[Thought Adjuster]], of the [[personality]], and of a [[mind]], but you have your [[electro]]-[[chemical]] [[process]] and the [[Body|housing]] for that are your [[limitations]]. Yes, to some [[degree]] a child would [[experience]] greater [[spiritual growth]] when they would be transferred onto a [[planet]] of greater [[spiritual]] [[attainment]], but only to the level of their [[capacity]].

BERTRAND: You have an [[inherited]] [[capacity]] for spirit [[receptivity]] and [[spirit growth]]. Those [[inherent]] capacities, under [[normal]] circumstances, are incapable of being exceeded as the [[morontia mota]] [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_48#48:7._MORONTIA_MOTA section] of The[[ Urantia Book]] would say concerning a pint holding a quart, it is truly impossible. You [[receive]] a spirit [[endowment]] of the [[Thought Adjuster]], of the [[personality]], and of a [[mind]], but you have your [[electro]]-[[chemical]] [[process]] and the [[Body|housing]] for that are your [[limitations]]. Yes, to some [[degree]] a child would [[experience]] greater [[spiritual growth]] when they would be transferred onto a [[planet]] of greater [[spiritual]] [[attainment]], but only to the level of their [[capacity]].

*Have We Lost Some Spiritual Capacities?

*Have We Lost Some Spiritual Capacities?

STUDENT: But if we are backwards then have we down through the [[ages]] lost some [[capacity]]?

STUDENT: But if we are backwards then have we down through the [[ages]] lost some [[capacity]]?

===='''''[[Leadership]]''''', '''''[[Discernment]]'''''====

===='''''[[Leadership]]''''', '''''[[Discernment]]'''''====

*How Can A Jim Jones Happen?

*How Can A Jim Jones Happen?

STUDENT: I have another question about the [[Spirit of Truth]]. If it is there for everyone, how can things happen like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_jones Jim Jones] many years ago? Where a religious [[cult]] went to Mexico or somewhere and they ended up all committing [[suicide]] with cyanide, voluntarily or involuntarily. If these are people who are seeking, how can you be so misled? How does that happen?

STUDENT: I have another question about the [[Spirit of Truth]]. If it is there for everyone, how can things happen like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_jones Jim Jones] many years ago? Where a religious [[cult]] went to Mexico or somewhere and they ended up all committing [[suicide]] with cyanide, voluntarily or involuntarily. If these are people who are seeking, how can you be so misled? How does that happen?

BERTRAND: The [[desire]] for [[truth]] is strong in many people. There are also, unfortunately, on [[this planet]], and it is not [[unique]] here, where a particularly [[Demagogue|powerful personality]]--personality is used very loosely here--more your [[definition]] than a [[cosmic]] definition of [[personality]]. A personality comes to the forefront who has the [[ability]] to [[persuade]] people, to talk a [[good]] [[story]], to be [[believed]]. It has happened throughout the [[ages]], some of these men have become powerful [[leaders]] and have sent to ruin almost entire [[races]] of people. You must be [[discerning]] in who you follow. You must [[listen]] for the [[truth]] in what they say. You must [[listen]] for [[God]] in their [[voice]]. It is a difficult [[problem]] when strong [[spiritual]] [[teachers]], those who are real, do not exist on a [[planet]] such as this. On one hand you have great [[desire]] for truth, on the other hand, you have no-one to [[lead]] in the true [[light]], like [[Jesus]]. And so, anytime someone comes up and stands there and shows a [[forceful]] [[personality]], many will follow. If we were in a [[normal]] [[planet]], the spiritual light would be brighter, and the [[error]] that has occurred in the [[experience]] that you described, would stand out [[clearer]] against this background of [[spirit]] [[luminosity]]. Does that help your question?

BERTRAND: The [[desire]] for [[truth]] is strong in many people. There are also, unfortunately, on [[this planet]], and it is not [[unique]] here, where a particularly [[Demagogue|powerful personality]]--personality is used very loosely here--more your [[definition]] than a [[cosmic]] definition of [[personality]]. A personality comes to the forefront who has the [[ability]] to [[persuade]] people, to talk a [[good]] [[story]], to be [[believed]]. It has happened throughout the [[ages]], some of these men have become powerful [[leaders]] and have sent to ruin almost entire [[races]] of people. You must be [[discerning]] in who you follow. You must [[listen]] for the [[truth]] in what they say. You must [[listen]] for [[God]] in their [[voice]]. It is a difficult [[problem]] when strong [[spiritual]] [[teachers]], those who are real, do not exist on a [[planet]] such as this. On one hand you have great [[desire]] for truth, on the other hand, you have no-one to [[lead]] in the true [[light]], like [[Jesus]]. And so, anytime someone comes up and stands there and shows a [[forceful]] [[personality]], many will follow. If we were in a [[normal]] [[planet]], the spiritual light would be brighter, and the [[error]] that has occurred in the [[experience]] that you described, would stand out [[clearer]] against this background of [[spirit]] [[luminosity]]. Does that help your question?

===='''''[[Accountability]]''''', '''''[[Rehabilitation]]'''''====

===='''''[[Accountability]]''''', '''''[[Rehabilitation]]'''''====

*Is A Hitler Accountable?

*Is A Hitler Accountable?

STUDENT: Bertrand, kind of along those lines. In The [[Urantia Book]] it says something about that you need to be accountable for your [[actions]], or something like that. People who have misled or caused a lot a [[deaths]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler Hitler]– that type of thing– are they [[accountable]]? Do they have to somehow make amends to every [[person]] that they caused to die or [[tortured]] or whatever. Do they have to be [[forgiven]] by them?

STUDENT: Bertrand, kind of along those lines. In The [[Urantia Book]] it says something about that you need to be accountable for your [[actions]], or something like that. People who have misled or caused a lot a [[deaths]], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler Hitler]– that type of thing– are they [[accountable]]? Do they have to somehow make amends to every [[person]] that they caused to die or [[tortured]] or whatever. Do they have to be [[forgiven]] by them?

BERTRAND: They must [[realize]] and [[understand]] the [[error]] of what they caused on [[this planet]] and they must seek the [[mercy]] of the [[heavenly Father]]. In doing so, a certain part of them does ask for [[personal]] [[forgiveness]] of each person that they harmed. It is [[difficult]] to [[describe]] the particular workings of [[rehabilitation]] on the [[morontia spheres]] because it is so much [[different]] than your [[rehabilitation]] in your earthly [[prisons]]. You have no mental [[concept]] of how it could occur. That is the best I can do for you.

BERTRAND: They must [[realize]] and [[understand]] the [[error]] of what they caused on [[this planet]] and they must seek the [[mercy]] of the [[heavenly Father]]. In doing so, a certain part of them does ask for [[personal]] [[forgiveness]] of each person that they harmed. It is [[difficult]] to [[describe]] the particular workings of [[rehabilitation]] on the [[morontia spheres]] because it is so much [[different]] than your [[rehabilitation]] in your earthly [[prisons]]. You have no mental [[concept]] of how it could occur. That is the best I can do for you.

===='''''[[Temperament]]''''', '''''[[Guidance]]'''''====

===='''''[[Temperament]]''''', '''''[[Guidance]]'''''====

*Are We Drawn To Types of Service?

*Are We Drawn To Types of Service?

STUDENT: Good evening, I'd like to ask you a little bit about your lesson tonight. People keep going through my mind like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Theresa Mother Theresa] and I may be [[repeating]] [[Veronica]]'s question, I'm not sure, but is there a [[difference]] in those who chose to serve [[physically]], taking care of those who are [[sick]] and [[Poor|needy]], rather than those who are spreading the [[word]] of [[God]], or am I already going to answer my question by saying perhaps we are living out what [[God]] would want us to do and that's how people will see our [[light]] or [[understand]] God's [[message]]? Could you work that out a little bit for me?

STUDENT: Good evening, I'd like to ask you a little bit about your lesson tonight. People keep going through my mind like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Theresa Mother Theresa] and I may be [[repeating]] [[Veronica]]'s question, I'm not sure, but is there a [[difference]] in those who chose to serve [[physically]], taking care of those who are [[sick]] and [[Poor|needy]], rather than those who are spreading the [[word]] of [[God]], or am I already going to answer my question by saying perhaps we are living out what [[God]] would want us to do and that's how people will see our [[light]] or [[understand]] God's [[message]]? Could you work that out a little bit for me?

BERTRAND: Yes. The requirement is to serve to your [[capacity]], to serve to your [[leading]]. Obviously, the mortal [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Theresa Mother Theresa] has a powerful [[leading]] that draws her into her type of [[service]]. She is willing and able to totally give of her [[time]] and [[effort]] into the starving millions in India. [[Service]] on other levels can be equally complete, [[equally]] satisfying, equally loving as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Theresa Mother Theresa]. The important issue here is to follow the [[leading]] to your [[capacity]]. You would not [[expect]] a young child to drive a car, but once they have [[experience]], once they have a certain amount of [[growth]], then that can be possible. Once we have [[growth]], whether here on [[this planet]] or on the [[morontia worlds]], we [[learn]], we [[grow]], our [[capacity]] increases as we [[progress]] farther, as well as our [[capacity]] for [[service]]. It is only important that you serve when led, just [[listen]] for that [[leading]]. Does that help?  

BERTRAND: Yes. The requirement is to serve to your [[capacity]], to serve to your [[leading]]. Obviously, the mortal [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Theresa Mother Theresa] has a powerful [[leading]] that draws her into her type of [[service]]. She is willing and able to totally give of her [[time]] and [[effort]] into the starving millions in India. [[Service]] on other levels can be equally complete, [[equally]] satisfying, equally loving as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Theresa Mother Theresa]. The important issue here is to follow the [[leading]] to your [[capacity]]. You would not [[expect]] a young child to drive a car, but once they have [[experience]], once they have a certain amount of [[growth]], then that can be possible. Once we have [[growth]], whether here on [[this planet]] or on the [[morontia worlds]], we [[learn]], we [[grow]], our [[capacity]] increases as we [[progress]] farther, as well as our [[capacity]] for [[service]]. It is only important that you serve when led, just [[listen]] for that [[leading]]. Does that help?  

STUDENT: Yes, thank you.

STUDENT: Yes, thank you.

STUDENT: Bertrand, before the [[meeting]] actually officially got started, I was [[sharing]]...oh Signa, sorry...about the [[changes]], [[turbulence]], things going on with the other [[classes]] and the [[Teaching Mission]] in general. I was [[wondering]] if you might have anything to add or report or [[share]] about it?

STUDENT: Bertrand, before the [[meeting]] actually officially got started, I was [[sharing]]...oh Signa, sorry...about the [[changes]], [[turbulence]], things going on with the other [[classes]] and the [[Teaching Mission]] in general. I was [[wondering]] if you might have anything to add or report or [[share]] about it?

SIGNA: It is to be expected that [[truth]] seeking [[minds]], spirit indwelt minds, [[God]] knowing, and God [[desirous]] minds, should have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebb_and_flow ebbs and flows] of their [[belief]] [[structure]]. It is [[expected]] that there will be those who come in and go out of the [[Teaching Mission]], not just [[students]], [[transmitter-receivers]] also, but it is [[normal]]. It is a [[reaction]] of normal [[skepticism]] that is [[natural]] within you all. It is also the [[activity]] of free-will [[choice]]. It is something that should be [[rejoiced]] upon rather than concerned with, for it is truly the [[proof]] that there are no requirements upon any of you. You may come and you may go. We do not require your attendance. We [[love]] your attendance. We [[love]] to be of [[service]] to you, but you are free-will [[individuals]] and can [[choose]] to go about your earthly affairs outside of the [[Teaching Mission]]. Does that help you?

SIGNA: It is to be expected that [[truth]] seeking [[minds]], spirit indwelt minds, [[God]] knowing, and God [[desirous]] minds, should have [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebb_and_flow ebbs and flows] of their [[belief]] [[structure]]. It is [[expected]] that there will be those who come in and go out of the [[Teaching Mission]], not just [[students]], [[transmitter-receivers]] also, but it is [[normal]]. It is a [[reaction]] of normal [[skepticism]] that is [[natural]] within you all. It is also the [[activity]] of free-will [[choice]]. It is something that should be [[rejoiced]] upon rather than concerned with, for it is truly the [[proof]] that there are no requirements upon any of you. You may come and you may go. We do not require your attendance. We [[love]] your attendance. We [[love]] to be of [[service]] to you, but you are free-will [[individuals]] and can [[choose]] to go about your earthly affairs outside of the [[Teaching Mission]]. Does that help you?

*Abraham Has Been Here 14 Years

*Abraham Has Been Here 14 Years

STUDENT: Signa, I'd like to ask you about [[Abraham]]. How long has he been back here?

STUDENT: Signa, I'd like to ask you about [[Abraham]]. How long has he been back here?

===Closing===

===Closing===

[Machiventa Melchizedek Speaks]10/12/92

*Machiventa [[Melchizedek]] Speaks

Good evening once again, this is Prince [[Machiventa]]. I again [[wish]] to send you all my [[love]], my [[good]] [[wishes]], and the [[words]] that you are truly, truly [[wonderful]] [[students]]. We are most pleased with the [[growth]] of this [[class]], of its [[dedicated]] members, of your [[spiritual]] [[enlightenment]]. We are constantly amazed at the [[human]] [[adaptability]] to new and changing [[ideas]] and forms, and we [[wish]] you all much [[wondrous]] [[knowledge]] in this expansion of [[truth]] on [[Urantia]]. The [[Teaching Mission]] is [[progressing]] quite well. The [[knowledge]] of this class is known throughout the [[Nebadon|wide universe]]. They are all interested, all of those [[mortals]], [[ascendant beings]] on all the [[planets]] in [[Nebadon]], are interested in your [[progress]]. You are taught by two able and [[wonderful]] [[teachers]]. Continue with your [[progress]], you are in our [[prayers]], that is all. Good evening.

Good evening once again, this is Prince Machiventa. I again wish to send you all my love, my good wishes, and the words that you are truly, truly wonderful students. We are most pleased with the growth of this class, of its dedicated members, of your spiritual enlightenment. We are constantly amazed at the human adaptability to new and changing ideas and forms, and we wish you all much wondrous knowledge in this expansion of truth on Urantia. The Teaching Mission is progressing quite well. The knowledge of this class is known throughout the wide universe. They are all interested, all of those mortals, ascendant beings on all the planets on Nebadon, are interested in your progress. You are taught by two able and wonderful teachers. Continue with your progress, you are in our prayers, that is all. Good evening.

STUDENTS: Good evening.

Good evening.

Go in [[peace]] this week, seeking the service [[motive]] in your [[heart]], the [[service]] drive, and let it bloom. I bid you [[farewell]] this evening, Bertrand would also like to do so.

STUDENTS: Farewell.

 

 

 

 

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Farewell.

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