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WELMEK: Greetings to all of you. This is your [[teacher]] and guide, Welmek. I am extremely pleased to see so many of you here and I extend warm greetings to those of you who have [[traveled]] from afar. Tonight we will begin with the [[assignment]] that was given to Dennis. As Michael explained to you earlier, Dennis will put into a short and [[meaningful]] [[prayer]] the many [[ideas]] that were discussed at a previous [[meeting]]. After that we will entertain whatever questions you may have. Since there are [[visitors]], it would be good to open the meeting to a general [[discussion]] and allow the meeting to [[flow]] in the [[direction]] that will be most meaningful. Dennis, would you please [[share]] with the group what you have done?

WELMEK: Greetings to all of you. This is your [[teacher]] and guide, Welmek. I am extremely pleased to see so many of you here and I extend warm greetings to those of you who have [[traveled]] from afar. Tonight we will begin with the [[assignment]] that was given to Dennis. As Michael explained to you earlier, Dennis will put into a short and [[meaningful]] [[prayer]] the many [[ideas]] that were discussed at a previous [[meeting]]. After that we will entertain whatever questions you may have. Since there are [[visitors]], it would be good to open the meeting to a general [[discussion]] and allow the meeting to [[flow]] in the [[direction]] that will be most meaningful. Dennis, would you please [[share]] with the group what you have done?

DENNIS: Yes. Let us [[pray]]. As we pray for the presidency of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_clinton Bill Clinton], let us for the moment [[suspend]] any [[differences]] we may have and reach down deep within our [[hearts]] and feel together [[the Father]]'s [[love]]. As we do this, let us picture [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_clinton Bill Clinton] in our [[mind's eye]] before us and allow this [[love]] to [[flow]] forth and [[surround]] him. (Pause) We submit to you [[Michael]], [[our Master]]-Brother, these requests which represent a [[synthesis]] of the [[hopes]] we have expressed at an earlier gathering.

DENNIS: Yes. Let us [[pray]]. As we pray for the presidency of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_clinton Bill Clinton], let us for the moment [[suspend]] any [[differences]] we may have and reach down deep within our [[hearts]] and feel together [[the Father]]'s [[love]]. As we do this, let us picture [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_clinton Bill Clinton] in our [[mind's eye]] before us and allow this [[love]] to [[flow]] forth and [[surround]] him. (Pause) We submit to you [[Michael]], [[our Master]]-Brother, these requests which represent a [[synthesis]] of the [[hopes]] we have expressed at an earlier gathering.

We pray that president-elect Bill Clinton seek and be [[saturated]] with the [[love]], [[wisdom]] and [[strength]] of [[purpose]] to know and implement your [[plans]] for the improvement of our [[society]]. We ask that his [[faith]] continue to [[grow]], that he be prompted to [[pray]] daily. We pray that before every significant [[decision]], he [[quiet]] his mind to receive the imprint of his [[Thought Adjuster|indwelling monitor]], the affirmations of your [[Spirit of Truth]], and the [[admonitions]] of the seasoned spiritual advisers that have been [[assigned]] to him and his staff. We ask that he [[recognize]] those who will best be able to give him [[counsel]] and administer his [[policies]]. In seeking [[inspired]] and [[insightful]] solutions, may he continue to be [[considerate]] of the [[viewpoints]] of the widest possible segments of our [[society]], [[women]] and [[men]], toddlers and teenagers, young adults and the young-at-heart, as well as [[individuals]] of whatever background or [[belief]], to support the common [[good]], to [[respect]] the rights of each [[individual]]. We ask that he be moved to give the [[handicapped]] the visibility and special [[support]] they need to strengthen their sense of [[dignity]] and [[self]]-[[respect]].

We pray that president-elect Bill Clinton seek and be [[saturated]] with the [[love]], [[wisdom]] and [[strength]] of [[purpose]] to know and implement your [[plans]] for the improvement of our [[society]]. We ask that his [[faith]] continue to [[grow]], that he be prompted to [[pray]] daily. We pray that before every significant [[decision]], he [[quiet]] his mind to receive the imprint of his [[Thought Adjuster|indwelling monitor]], the affirmations of your [[Spirit of Truth]], and the [[admonitions]] of the seasoned spiritual advisers that have been [[assigned]] to him and his staff. We ask that he [[recognize]] those who will best be able to give him [[counsel]] and administer his [[policies]]. In seeking [[inspired]] and [[insightful]] solutions, may he continue to be [[considerate]] of the [[viewpoints]] of the widest possible segments of our [[society]], [[women]] and [[men]], toddlers and teenagers, young adults and the young-at-heart, as well as [[individuals]] of whatever background or [[belief]], to support the common [[good]], to [[respect]] the rights of each [[individual]]. We ask that he be moved to give the [[handicapped]] the visibility and special [[support]] they need to strengthen their sense of [[dignity]] and [[self]]-[[respect]].

May this [[nation]] thereby be an [[example]] to the rest of the world that [[unity]] and [[diversity]] is truly [[supreme]]. As the torch is passed from one [[administration]] to the next, we ask that a greater [[balance]] be achieved between global and domestic affairs. We pray that the [[peace]]-keeping [[efforts]] by our [[government]] in [[cooperation]] with the family of [[nations]] continue to be advanced against [[tyranny]], and [[oppression]], and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_mass_destruction weapons of mass destruction]. We further plead that such [[efforts]] be better [[organized]] to [[respond]] more quickly to such devastation as we are witnessing in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia Somalia], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe eastern Europe] and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East Middle East].

May this [[nation]] thereby be an [[example]] to the rest of the world that [[unity]] and [[diversity]] is truly [[supreme]]. As the torch is passed from one [[administration]] to the next, we ask that a greater [[balance]] be achieved between global and domestic affairs. We pray that the [[peace]]-keeping [[efforts]] by our [[government]] in [[cooperation]] with the family of [[nations]] continue to be advanced against [[tyranny]], and [[oppression]], and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_mass_destruction weapons of mass destruction]. We further plead that such [[efforts]] be better [[organized]] to [[respond]] more quickly to such devastation as we are witnessing in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia Somalia], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe eastern Europe] and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East Middle East].

Domestically, we [[pray]] that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton Bill Clinton] sponsor [[legislation]] to increase incentives for [[investment]] and employment in this country and thus help to restore [[dignity]] and [[self]]-[[worth]] to the many Americans who are unemployed, underemployed or who are submerged in self-defeating [[life styles]]. We pray that Bill Clinton not only address the [[material]] needs of our people, but also be [[appreciative]] of their [[spiritual]] [[ideals]]. We ask that he rise above partisan politics and special interests to develop a [[consensus]] for advancing the best interests of our [[society]] as a whole. It is our wish that he be [[pragmatic]] enough to be an effective [[leader]] without sacrificing the high [[ideals]] of which we speak. We pray that Bill Clinton be mindful of the long-term [[consequences]] of his [[policies]], that he [[practice]] the patience [[necessary]] to see his programs through to fruition. We also pray, Michael, that he be [[strengthened]] to stand up for what he knows to be right despite whatever [[opposition]] might be arrayed against him. We further ask that he not be [[tempted]] by the power of his office to be self-serving but always [[honor]] the presidency as an outstanding [[opportunity]] to be of [[service]] to [[the Father]] and his fellow [[sisters and brothers]] everywhere. Finally, we pray that the Clinton presidency empower those who portray [[this planet]] as a living [[organism]], which is the [[foundation]] for all the other things that we pray for, so that we may be [[encouraged]], all encouraged, to restore her [[breath]] and ours. May we be available to [[assist]] this new [[administration]] in whatever way we may be called to serve. Nevertheless, may our Father's will be done. Amen.

Domestically, we [[pray]] that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton Bill Clinton] sponsor [[legislation]] to increase incentives for [[investment]] and employment in this country and thus help to restore [[dignity]] and [[self]]-[[worth]] to the many Americans who are unemployed, underemployed or who are submerged in self-defeating [[life styles]]. We pray that Bill Clinton not only address the [[material]] needs of our people, but also be [[appreciative]] of their [[spiritual]] [[ideals]]. We ask that he rise above partisan politics and special interests to develop a [[consensus]] for advancing the best interests of our [[society]] as a whole. It is our wish that he be [[pragmatic]] enough to be an effective [[leader]] without sacrificing the high [[ideals]] of which we speak. We pray that Bill Clinton be mindful of the long-term [[consequences]] of his [[policies]], that he [[practice]] the patience [[necessary]] to see his programs through to fruition. We also pray, Michael, that he be [[strengthened]] to stand up for what he knows to be right despite whatever [[opposition]] might be arrayed against him. We further ask that he not be [[tempted]] by the power of his office to be self-serving but always [[honor]] the presidency as an outstanding [[opportunity]] to be of [[service]] to [[the Father]] and his fellow [[sisters and brothers]] everywhere. Finally, we pray that the Clinton presidency empower those who portray [[this planet]] as a living [[organism]], which is the [[foundation]] for all the other things that we pray for, so that we may be [[encouraged]], all encouraged, to restore her [[breath]] and ours. May we be available to [[assist]] this new [[administration]] in whatever way we may be called to serve. Nevertheless, may our Father's will be done. Amen.

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

===='''''[[Prayer]]'''''====

===='''''[[Prayer]]'''''====

A: Not for the [[purpose]] of [[prayer]] and [[worship]].

A: Not for the [[purpose]] of [[prayer]] and [[worship]].

Q: How about for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki Reiki] [[healing]]?

Q: How about for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki Reiki] [[healing]]?

A: Such things were discussed in [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-11-08-Healing the lesson with Andrea]. As you will recall, such things may slightly divert [[energy]], but they will not stop the [[flow]].

A: Such things were discussed in [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-11-08-Healing the lesson with Andrea]. As you will recall, such things may slightly divert [[energy]], but they will not stop the [[flow]].

Q: Welmek, when someone is [[praying]] for a specific outcome, and though their [[intentions]] may be [[pure]], what if that outcome is not in line with [[the Father]]'s will?

Q: Welmek, when someone is [[praying]] for a specific outcome, and though their [[intentions]] may be [[pure]], what if that outcome is not in line with [[the Father]]'s will?

WELMEK: Too much turkey yesterday. (laughter)

WELMEK: Too much turkey yesterday. (laughter)

Q: Welmek, last week you mentioned something that you were going to have some comments on our [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving Thanksgiving observation]. Are you going to talk about that at all? How we give [[thanks]] on this holiday?

Q: Welmek, last week you mentioned something that you were going to have some comments on our [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving Thanksgiving observation]. Are you going to talk about that at all? How we give [[thanks]] on this holiday?

A: My basic [[observation]] is that, in [[fact]], most do not give thanks. You come [[together]] in your family groups and you enjoy [[companionship]] and [[food]] and drink and [[rest]]; and this is valuable and this is worthwhile. But I daresay that in many households, nothing more than a token [[thanksgiving]] is offered, if even that.

A: My basic [[observation]] is that, in [[fact]], most do not give thanks. You come [[together]] in your family groups and you enjoy [[companionship]] and [[food]] and drink and [[rest]]; and this is valuable and this is worthwhile. But I daresay that in many households, nothing more than a token [[thanksgiving]] is offered, if even that.

Try to think in your own [[minds]], that if you had a [[concept]] of continuing life and if you had a concept of continuing [[spiritual development]], but yet you lacked a [[universe]] view, you did not know there is a [[Grand Universe|vast universe]] where you can continue life, then would you not only be able to [[conclude]] that you must come back to this particular [[planet]]. Where else could you go if you had no [[awareness]] of how a [[universe]] is [[organized]] and how there are so many worlds waiting to help you and [[train]] you as you [[progress]].  

Try to think in your own [[minds]], that if you had a [[concept]] of continuing life and if you had a concept of continuing [[spiritual development]], but yet you lacked a [[universe]] view, you did not know there is a [[Grand Universe|vast universe]] where you can continue life, then would you not only be able to [[conclude]] that you must come back to this particular [[planet]]. Where else could you go if you had no [[awareness]] of how a [[universe]] is [[organized]] and how there are so many worlds waiting to help you and [[train]] you as you [[progress]].  

The [[experience]] of [[thinking]] that one has had a previous [[existence]] is a real [[phenomenon]] to the extent that you have a strong [[impression]] made upon your [[mind]]. [[Understand]] that you are a product of [[heredity]], that you have had [[ancestors]] who have gone before you and that there is, in a sense, a sort of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_memory_%28psychology%29 genetic memory] within each of you. Secondly, you have very little [[understanding]] of the [[concept]] of [[mind]] and the [[mind circuits]]. There is a mind circuit, a [[universal mind]], and it is as if each of you are plugged into it in a sense. On occasion, it is possible to tap into this mind and to possibly pick up a [[memory]], a [[reflection]], an [[experience]] of some other [[human being]] who has contributed due to their life on [[this planet]] to this [[Collective Unconscious|collective cultural unconscious mind]]. Therefore, without this [[understanding]], when one has such an [[experience]], would it not seem [[natural]] that they would conclude that it was the [[individual]] himself who must have had this life, this [[experience]]?

The [[experience]] of [[thinking]] that one has had a previous [[existence]] is a real [[phenomenon]] to the extent that you have a strong [[impression]] made upon your [[mind]]. [[Understand]] that you are a product of [[heredity]], that you have had [[ancestors]] who have gone before you and that there is, in a sense, a sort of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_memory_%28psychology%29 genetic memory] within each of you. Secondly, you have very little [[understanding]] of the [[concept]] of [[mind]] and the [[mind circuits]]. There is a mind circuit, a [[universal mind]], and it is as if each of you are plugged into it in a sense. On occasion, it is possible to tap into this mind and to possibly pick up a [[memory]], a [[reflection]], an [[experience]] of some other [[human being]] who has contributed due to their life on [[this planet]] to this [[Collective Unconscious|collective cultural unconscious mind]]. Therefore, without this [[understanding]], when one has such an [[experience]], would it not seem [[natural]] that they would conclude that it was the [[individual]] himself who must have had this life, this [[experience]]?

Q: Could this experience also come from our [[Mystery Monitors]]?

Q: Could this experience also come from our [[Mystery Monitors]]?

Q: Could you [[explain]] this, the [[function]] and [[meaning]] behind the [[statements]] of the [[tree of life]] in the [[Urantia Book]]?

Q: Could you [[explain]] this, the [[function]] and [[meaning]] behind the [[statements]] of the [[tree of life]] in the [[Urantia Book]]?

A: I am not [[permitted]] to give you details except to say [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_73#73:6._THE_TREE_OF_LIFE what your text states]. Essentially, the [[concept]] of the [[tree of life]] is related to a substance which [[Adam and Eve]] and others were able to partake of. They had a [[dual]] [[energy]] system. This substance energized their other energy system; and I will only say that this energy system had the [[potential]] of keeping their [[human]] [[energy]] system vitalized to a point where it would not [[experience]] deterioration.

A: I am not [[permitted]] to give you details except to say [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_73#73:6._THE_TREE_OF_LIFE what your text states]. Essentially, the [[concept]] of the [[tree of life]] is related to a substance which [[Adam and Eve]] and others were able to partake of. They had a [[dual]] [[energy]] system. This substance energized their other energy system; and I will only say that this energy system had the [[potential]] of keeping their [[human]] [[energy]] system vitalized to a point where it would not [[experience]] deterioration.

Q: What kind of situations would cause someone to be able to gain [[access]] to [[past]] [[memories]]..(?)

Q: What kind of situations would cause someone to be able to gain [[access]] to [[past]] [[memories]]..(?)

A: As I have said in earlier [[meetings]], I truly cannot [[understand]] this. [[Beings]] who come from worlds like yours, when they [[awaken]] on the [[mansion worlds]], it is such an improvement, there is so much [[joy]] and [[beauty]] that they are [[excited]] and they wish to go on. I have actually known a few [[individuals]] who chose not to go on, but they came from worlds like my own that were already settled in [[Light and Life]]. Having [[experienced]] what I have and knowing of the [[joy]] and the [[beauty]] and the [[goodness]] that awaits each [[individual]] as they progress, I truly cannot [[understand]] why any individual would make such a [[choice]]; and I again would say that it is very rare indeed, but it does happen.

A: As I have said in earlier [[meetings]], I truly cannot [[understand]] this. [[Beings]] who come from worlds like yours, when they [[awaken]] on the [[mansion worlds]], it is such an improvement, there is so much [[joy]] and [[beauty]] that they are [[excited]] and they wish to go on. I have actually known a few [[individuals]] who chose not to go on, but they came from worlds like my own that were already settled in [[Light and Life]]. Having [[experienced]] what I have and knowing of the [[joy]] and the [[beauty]] and the [[goodness]] that awaits each [[individual]] as they progress, I truly cannot [[understand]] why any individual would make such a [[choice]]; and I again would say that it is very rare indeed, but it does happen.

Q: Welmek, getting back to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_experience past life experience phenomena], does a particular [[person]] tap into a particular [[memory]] on a [[consistent]] basis or is it [[random]]?

Q: Welmek, getting back to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_experience past life experience phenomena], does a particular [[person]] tap into a particular [[memory]] on a [[consistent]] basis or is it [[random]]?

A: That is a [[difficult]] question because normally when the [[experience]] is more real, it would be [[random]], but once such an [[experience]] happens, the person's own [[mind]] and [[imagination]] can [[focus]] upon that experience and embellish it and the [[individual]] rarely able to distinguish what is a real momentary [[glimpse]] [[experience]] from what their own mind is [[projecting]] or imagining.

A: That is a [[difficult]] question because normally when the [[experience]] is more real, it would be [[random]], but once such an [[experience]] happens, the person's own [[mind]] and [[imagination]] can [[focus]] upon that experience and embellish it and the [[individual]] rarely able to distinguish what is a real momentary [[glimpse]] [[experience]] from what their own mind is [[projecting]] or imagining.

===='''''[[Progress]]'''''====

===='''''[[Progress]]'''''====

Q: Welmek, I have a [[curiosity]] question. When I read [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus the Jesus papers], I get the [[feeling]] that we've made very little [[progress]] other than [[technological]] progress; and keeping that in [[mind]], in the last 30 years, 40 years, there's been huge [[technological]] [[progress]] that's changing many peoples' lives. So I have two questions. First, is it a true [[observation]] that we've had very little [[progress]] in things other than [[technology]]? And I guess it's up to us how that technology is going to [[change]] our lives, if it helps us to grow [[spiritually]] and frees us or we become even more burdened because of it.

Q: Welmek, I have a [[curiosity]] question. When I read [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus the Jesus papers], I get the [[feeling]] that we've made very little [[progress]] other than [[technological]] progress; and keeping that in [[mind]], in the last 30 years, 40 years, there's been huge [[technological]] [[progress]] that's changing many peoples' lives. So I have two questions. First, is it a true [[observation]] that we've had very little [[progress]] in things other than [[technology]]? And I guess it's up to us how that technology is going to [[change]] our lives, if it helps us to grow [[spiritually]] and frees us or we become even more burdened because of it.

A: I will address your second question first. [[Technology]] is a [[tool]]. Used in the hands of a spirit-led person, it can be a [[wonderful]] [[tool]]. Used in the hand of a person [[dominated]] by [[evil]], it can be a terrible tool. Concerning the issue of [[progress]], much depends upon what [[perspective]] you look at it from and what time frame you are using. From our [[point of view]], there has clearly been much [[progress]] on [[your planet]]. For example, if you were to look back [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_BC 2,000 years ago] to the time of the arrival of [[our Master]] upon [[this planet]], and you looked at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_empire civilization of the Romans], I believe it would be [[accurate]] that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_empire#Culture approximately 50 per cent of the people] were [[slaves]]. So in 2,000 years, there has been much [[progress]]. Many [[practices]] that existed in those times are no longer practiced. There has been [[progress]] in many areas. Too say that it has been too fast or too slow might be an indication of lack of [[patience]]. Would you [[agree]]? Then would it not be [[fair]] to say that things have [[progressed]] according to [[God]]'s [[plan]] in the way that they should?

A: I will address your second question first. [[Technology]] is a [[tool]]. Used in the hands of a spirit-led person, it can be a [[wonderful]] [[tool]]. Used in the hand of a person [[dominated]] by [[evil]], it can be a terrible tool. Concerning the issue of [[progress]], much depends upon what [[perspective]] you look at it from and what time frame you are using. From our [[point of view]], there has clearly been much [[progress]] on [[your planet]]. For example, if you were to look back [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_BC 2,000 years ago] to the time of the arrival of [[our Master]] upon [[this planet]], and you looked at the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_empire civilization of the Romans], I believe it would be [[accurate]] that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_empire#Culture approximately 50 per cent of the people] were [[slaves]]. So in 2,000 years, there has been much [[progress]]. Many [[practices]] that existed in those times are no longer practiced. There has been [[progress]] in many areas. Too say that it has been too fast or too slow might be an indication of lack of [[patience]]. Would you [[agree]]? Then would it not be [[fair]] to say that things have [[progressed]] according to [[God]]'s [[plan]] in the way that they should?

Q: Yes.

Q: Yes.

A: Then I would suggest that those [[thoughts]] that are of greatest [[value]] have a longer and more permanent [[effect]], while those [[thoughts]] that are of little value would tend to fade away.

A: Then I would suggest that those [[thoughts]] that are of greatest [[value]] have a longer and more permanent [[effect]], while those [[thoughts]] that are of little value would tend to fade away.

Q: Welmek, I formed "Matthew ask a question." Do you know anything about [http://www.doorinternational.com/ deaf opportunity?

Q: Welmek, I formed "Matthew ask a question." Do you know anything about [https://www.doorinternational.com/ deaf opportunity]?

A: I am not that familiar, but I would [[encourage]] him to ask his question.

A: I am not that familiar, but I would [[encourage]] him to ask his question.

Q: In deaf opportunity there are many issues. One big issue is [[communication]] [[method]]. There are many fights about deaf people communicating in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_language sign language] or the oral method. I would like your thoughts on that issue, if you know anything about that.

Q: In deaf opportunity there are many issues. One big issue is [[communication]] [[method]]. There are many fights about deaf people communicating in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_language sign language] or the oral method. I would like your thoughts on that issue, if you know anything about that.

A: Our primary [[mission]] is to help [[individuals]] in their [[spiritual progress]]. There are many [[social]] issues which must evolve. [[Individual]] humans must [[decide]] what is best for a [[culture]] at a particular time. I would [[encourage]] anyone who has [[thought]] deeply about such an issue and who truly believes that they have felt [[guidance]] about this issue to strongly and heroically present their [[ideas]] to try to bring about [[change]]. However, it is not our place to say which [[method]] is best. It is up to [[humans]] to resolve this question for themselves.

A: Our primary [[mission]] is to help [[individuals]] in their [[spiritual progress]]. There are many [[social]] issues which must evolve. [[Individual]] humans must [[decide]] what is best for a [[culture]] at a particular time. I would [[encourage]] anyone who has [[thought]] deeply about such an issue and who truly believes that they have felt [[guidance]] about this issue to strongly and heroically present their [[ideas]] to try to bring about [[change]]. However, it is not our place to say which [[method]] is best. It is up to [[humans]] to resolve this question for themselves.

===='''''[[Tradition]]'''''====

===='''''[[Tradition]]'''''====

Q: How will [[institutionalized]] [[religions]] be impacted by [[Teaching Mission|this teaching]] in this next [[phase]]?

Q: How will [[institutionalized]] [[religions]] be impacted by [[Teaching Mission|this teaching]] in this next [[phase]]?

A: Much depends upon the [[time]] frame which you look at it from. If you were to invite the [[average]] minister to this group, what do you think they would say?

A: Much depends upon the [[time]] frame which you look at it from. If you were to invite the [[average]] minister to this group, what do you think they would say?

Q: They would want mass [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism exorcism].

Q: They would want mass [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism exorcism].

A: I would suggest that any [[teaching]] which promotes [[individual]] [[religion]], and by individual religion I mean the [[idea]] that individual is indwelt by a [[Thought Adjuster|fragment of the Universal Father]] and therefore has [[immediate]] [[access]] to the [[love]] and [[guidance]] of [[the Father]], would likely be seen as a threat at this [[time]] to most [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/religion organized religions]. It would not have to be this way if their [[goal]] was to truly help you as an [[individual]] find [[God within]] you, but is that really the [[goal]] of most of them? Or is their [[goal]] to [[interpret]] what God wants for you and what God is truly saying, and want you to come to them for that [[interpretation]]? In time, as more and more people [[awaken]] to God's [[presence]] within them, it will have an [[evolutionary]] impact. Sooner or later, more and more [[individuals]] who have a [[sympathetic]] regard for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_religion organized religions], will demand change. As [[the text]] states, the religious [[institutions]] are the slowest to [[change]]. They [[believe]] that they are [[protecting]] [[God]]'s [[word]], and so they are very [[resistant]] to change. On the other hand, like any [[institution]], if they do not change and do not keep [[pace]] with the [[spiritual evolution]] on [[this planet]], they will [[eventually]] find themselves only talking to themselves; and their number will become very small. But I would not suggest that this will happen in a short time. It will still take several [[generations]] to see [[dramatic]] impacts, dramatic [[effects]] in this way. It could happen sooner, but it is really up to each of you and to the humans on [[this planet]]. If you could imagine that once each week, even 50% of the humans on [[this planet]] were attending such a [[meeting]] as this where they are interested in finding more about [[God]]'s [[love]] and pursuing His [[presence]] and willing to [[forgive]] their [[brothers and sisters]] and trying to [[learn]] to love each other more, this would do more to [[change]] things more quickly on [[your planet]] than anything you could possibly [[imagine]]. But I would suggest we are a long, long way from 50% of the [[population]] participating in such a [[process]].

A: I would suggest that any [[teaching]] which promotes [[individual]] [[religion]], and by individual religion I mean the [[idea]] that individual is indwelt by a [[Thought Adjuster|fragment of the Universal Father]] and therefore has [[immediate]] [[access]] to the [[love]] and [[guidance]] of [[the Father]], would likely be seen as a threat at this [[time]] to most [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/religion organized religions]. It would not have to be this way if their [[goal]] was to truly help you as an [[individual]] find [[God within]] you, but is that really the [[goal]] of most of them? Or is their [[goal]] to [[interpret]] what God wants for you and what God is truly saying, and want you to come to them for that [[interpretation]]? In time, as more and more people [[awaken]] to God's [[presence]] within them, it will have an [[evolutionary]] impact. Sooner or later, more and more [[individuals]] who have a [[sympathetic]] regard for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_religion organized religions], will demand change. As [[the text]] states, the religious [[institutions]] are the slowest to [[change]]. They [[believe]] that they are [[protecting]] [[God]]'s [[word]], and so they are very [[resistant]] to change. On the other hand, like any [[institution]], if they do not change and do not keep [[pace]] with the [[spiritual evolution]] on [[this planet]], they will [[eventually]] find themselves only talking to themselves; and their number will become very small. But I would not suggest that this will happen in a short time. It will still take several [[generations]] to see [[dramatic]] impacts, dramatic [[effects]] in this way. It could happen sooner, but it is really up to each of you and to the humans on [[this planet]]. If you could imagine that once each week, even 50% of the humans on [[this planet]] were attending such a [[meeting]] as this where they are interested in finding more about [[God]]'s [[love]] and pursuing His [[presence]] and willing to [[forgive]] their [[brothers and sisters]] and trying to [[learn]] to love each other more, this would do more to [[change]] things more quickly on [[your planet]] than anything you could possibly [[imagine]]. But I would suggest we are a long, long way from 50% of the [[population]] participating in such a [[process]].

===='''''[[Survival]]'''''====

===='''''[[Survival]]'''''====

Q: Welmek, in the [[Rayson]] papers, my [[understanding]] was that if someone is truly [[iniquitous]] that the [[Thought Adjuster]] leaves them and they become truly [[dead]] even though the physical [[body]] lingers on. Do I [[understand]] that it then is possible to truly [[choose]] non-survival while in the human [[body]]?[http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=112:3_The_Phenomenon_of_Death]

Q: Welmek, in the [[Rayson]] papers, my [[understanding]] was that if someone is truly [[iniquitous]] that the [[Thought Adjuster]] leaves them and they become truly [[dead]] even though the physical [[body]] lingers on. Do I [[understand]] that it then is possible to truly [[choose]] non-survival while in the human [[body]]?[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=112:3_The_Phenomenon_of_Death]

A: It is not likely that this would happen while still in the [[flesh]]. In order to become [[iniquitous]], you must [[consciously]] [[choose]] [[sin]]. Most humans do not truly [[understand]] enough about truly what is [[sin]] to [[consciously]] pursue it. Many in the [[human]] form who might seem that way are likely to be very [[mentally]] or [[emotionally]] disturbed and therefore are not [[acting]] with a [[normal]] mind. Most, in [[fact]] I would dare say almost every human, would not make such a [[decision]] of such [[consequence]] until they have at least [[experienced]] many, many years on the [[mansion worlds]].

A: It is not likely that this would happen while still in the [[flesh]]. In order to become [[iniquitous]], you must [[consciously]] [[choose]] [[sin]]. Most humans do not truly [[understand]] enough about truly what is [[sin]] to [[consciously]] pursue it. Many in the [[human]] form who might seem that way are likely to be very [[mentally]] or [[emotionally]] disturbed and therefore are not [[acting]] with a [[normal]] mind. Most, in [[fact]] I would dare say almost every human, would not make such a [[decision]] of such [[consequence]] until they have at least [[experienced]] many, many years on the [[mansion worlds]].

Q: Welmek, I was curious about the [[posture]] that the [[Urantia Book]] has towards the [[experience]] of [[mota]] being primarily something we would [[experience]] after [[survival]]. Was the opening of the [[circuits]] something that would bring the [[morontial]] [[energies]] into play now so we can begin to experience [[mota]] in our present lives?

Q: Welmek, I was curious about the [[posture]] that the [[Urantia Book]] has towards the [[experience]] of [[mota]] being primarily something we would [[experience]] after [[survival]]. Was the opening of the [[circuits]] something that would bring the [[morontial]] [[energies]] into play now so we can begin to experience [[mota]] in our present lives?

A: The [[statements]] called [[morontia mota]] in your text [[represent]] a bridge between the highest human [[philosophy]] and the lower levels of [[morontia]] [[philosophy]] and [[wisdom]]. If you [[wonder]] if you have [[progressed]] and if you [[understand]] much, then [[read]] over [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_48#48:7._MORONTIA_MOTA these statements] and ask yourself if you truly understand them and if you think you do, then find someone and try to [[explain]] them to that person. Because if you truly [[understand]] something, you must be able to teach it or make it somewhat understandable to someone else. As you [[progress]] in [[the universe]], whatever you [[learn]] must not only be mastered by you, but it must be mastered in a way that you in turn can teach it to others. As you [[progress]], as you [[develop]], as you [[pray]], as you [[worship]], as you seek greater [[understanding]], the [[morontia mota]] [[concepts]] will become increasingly [[clear]] to you.

A: The [[statements]] called [[morontia mota]] in your text [[represent]] a bridge between the highest human [[philosophy]] and the lower levels of [[morontia]] [[philosophy]] and [[wisdom]]. If you [[wonder]] if you have [[progressed]] and if you [[understand]] much, then [[read]] over [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_48#48:7._MORONTIA_MOTA these statements] and ask yourself if you truly understand them and if you think you do, then find someone and try to [[explain]] them to that person. Because if you truly [[understand]] something, you must be able to teach it or make it somewhat understandable to someone else. As you [[progress]] in [[the universe]], whatever you [[learn]] must not only be mastered by you, but it must be mastered in a way that you in turn can teach it to others. As you [[progress]], as you [[develop]], as you [[pray]], as you [[worship]], as you seek greater [[understanding]], the [[morontia mota]] [[concepts]] will become increasingly [[clear]] to you.

===='''''[[Mind]]''''', '''''[[Focus]]'''''====

===='''''[[Mind]]''''', '''''[[Focus]]'''''====

Q: Welmek, you're talking about the [[mind circuits]]. I met a [[poet]] once who said, who stated what he called [[introspection]], [[meditation]], he felt that he obtained his poetry from a common, I don't know if he referred to it as a [[mind circuit]], but he felt that it was not of his own [[creation]]. Would this be something that would tie into the [[mind circuit]] as you [[described]] it? Would these be [[prayers]] or [[thoughts]] that have been registered?

Q: Welmek, you're talking about the [[mind circuits]]. I met a [[poet]] once who said, who stated what he called [[introspection]], [[meditation]], he felt that he obtained his poetry from a common, I don't know if he referred to it as a [[mind circuit]], but he felt that it was not of his own [[creation]]. Would this be something that would tie into the [[mind circuit]] as you [[described]] it? Would these be [[prayers]] or [[thoughts]] that have been registered?

Q: Yes. Thank you.

Q: Yes. Thank you.

Q: Talking about the [[souls]] that go on to the [[morontial worlds]] that in their [[human]] life what we would consider great [[sinners]], such as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler Hitlers] and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein Husseins] and that type, and those that do [[choose]] to move on, do they choose to do anything special in terms of [[repentance]] or [[compensation]] or anything like that?

Q: Talking about the [[souls]] that go on to the [[morontial worlds]] that in their [[human]] life what we would consider great [[sinners]], such as the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler Hitlers] and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein Husseins] and that type, and those that do [[choose]] to move on, do they choose to do anything special in terms of [[repentance]] or [[compensation]] or anything like that?

A: I can only say that they must undergo extensive [[rehabilitation]]. Can you [[imagine]] if you [[awoke]] on the [[mansion worlds]] and [[realized]] the [[love]] and the [[beauty]] and the [[goodness]] that exist, and you [[reflected]] back upon your life and how many [[innocent]] humans you had murdered or [[tortured]] or whatever, how do you [[think]] you would [[feel]]? Do you think that you would even feel [[worthy]] to go on?

A: I can only say that they must undergo extensive [[rehabilitation]]. Can you [[imagine]] if you [[awoke]] on the [[mansion worlds]] and [[realized]] the [[love]] and the [[beauty]] and the [[goodness]] that exist, and you [[reflected]] back upon your life and how many [[innocent]] humans you had murdered or [[tortured]] or whatever, how do you [[think]] you would [[feel]]? Do you think that you would even feel [[worthy]] to go on?

Q: Also, as a [[parent]], it goes on further because as your grandchildren come along, then we extend our [[love]] even more. Then not only do we [[love]] our children and our grandchildren, then we have their mates and they become a part of us and so you have to love them. Sometimes you get [[irritated]] at them..(laughter)

Q: Also, as a [[parent]], it goes on further because as your grandchildren come along, then we extend our [[love]] even more. Then not only do we [[love]] our children and our grandchildren, then we have their mates and they become a part of us and so you have to love them. Sometimes you get [[irritated]] at them..(laughter)

Q: To me, it's a deeper kind of a [[love]] and when we first started to talk about this, what came to [[mind]] was when in [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus the Jesus papers] where [[Jesus]] talked about [[John Mark]] and how his [[parents]] had done such a [[wonderful]] job in bringing him up by not extending too much love to him. So the [[love]] of a [[parent]] being able to, when it's [[necessary]] for the [[strength]] of the child, to say no and at times even risk losing that [[relationship]] because you [[love]] them, to me that's a deeper love than what we usually have to [[share]] in our [[brother and sister]] [[relationships]].

Q: To me, it's a deeper kind of a [[love]] and when we first started to talk about this, what came to [[mind]] was when in [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus the Jesus papers] where [[Jesus]] talked about [[John Mark]] and how his [[parents]] had done such a [[wonderful]] job in bringing him up by not extending too much love to him. So the [[love]] of a [[parent]] being able to, when it's [[necessary]] for the [[strength]] of the child, to say no and at times even risk losing that [[relationship]] because you [[love]] them, to me that's a deeper love than what we usually have to [[share]] in our [[brother and sister]] [[relationships]].

Q: Welmek, I would like to ask you, my [[feeling]] is whether it's this world or another, if you have this [[parental]]/child [[experience]], isn't this in fact a very moving and [[effective]] way to [[grow]] yourself, not only [[emotionally]], but [[spiritually]]? And if humans pass to the next world without this [[experience]], do they in fact experience it somewhere along their [[journey]]?

Q: Welmek, I would like to ask you, my [[feeling]] is whether it's this world or another, if you have this [[parental]]/child [[experience]], isn't this in fact a very moving and [[effective]] way to [[grow]] yourself, not only [[emotionally]], but [[spiritually]]? And if humans pass to the next world without this [[experience]], do they in fact experience it somewhere along their [[journey]]?

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